*rtfa*



Although I'd credit the company execs more for the dick move than Mitt. It wasn't Mitt who said "build the stage."

/afaik, anyway

Ouch.

That is going to be an effective campaign add. I can't think of an easy response aside from "Nuh-Uh not me" you could even field against it.

Wasn't this part of a Gingrich ad?

JollyMagistrate: I can't think of an easy response aside from "Nuh-Uh not me" you could even field against it.

Mitt was on leave that day.

That was the company that invented the Legal pad......fark them and their lawyer enabling ways.

Terrible headline. There wasn't even a mention of Cheney in the article.

Now people, you have to look at this from the perspective of Mitt Romney and the other executives at Bain.

Personal profit justifies any act.

Therefore this was not only perfectly ethical and moral, it was downright noble.

Ouch. They're getting really good at this.

But Ayn Rand!

Giltric: That was the company that invented the Legal pad......fark them and their lawyer enabling ways.

Wait, what happened??

I saw Paul Begala on CNN the other day and someone pointed out his PAC's ads were mostly negative. He went off something to the effect of, "Negative? Mostly? I want it all negative. 100% negative. No, you know what? 101% negative... I'll run an ad after the election's over."

Cracked me up.

If Mitt Romney really *made* a hundred million dollars by shutting down a plant... it deserved to be shut down. Non profitable ventures don't have any room in a capitalist society.

Hey, at least they got PAID to build that stage.

birchman: Ouch. They're getting really good at this.

^ This right here.

Romney may end up doing more damage to the GOP than Palin.

Fascinating.

I can hear Rove now, "But they aren't supposed to fight back!"

Damn. That is one effective spot.

yikes

Oooh. That'll leave a mark.

Turns out that when we built that stage, it was like building my own coffin. And it just made me sick.

Wow, wotta dick move.

/RWers trying to assert that making an ad pointing out Mitt's record on job destruction and outsourcing is a dick move in 3, 2, 1...

Ba'boon: If Mitt Romney really *made* a hundred million dollars by shutting down a plant... it deserved to be shut down. Non profitable ventures don't have any room in a capitalist society.

*sigh*

babygoat: Giltric: That was the company that invented the Legal pad......fark them and their lawyer enabling ways.

Wait, what happened??

A stroke while telling a lawyer joke?

"If he wanted to, all he needs to do is call up the management of Bain Capital and say, 'Look, don't do this,'" said Tom Gaulrapp, who has worked at the factory for 33 years.

Chinese workers have since been brought in to learn how to operate the equipment.

Looks like Bain did nothing but grow the company ....


.It remained so until July 1992 when Bain Capital, Inc. and the management of newly formed American Pad & Paper Company purchased the subsidiary from Mead. Since its inception in 1992, the new company has seen net sales grow at nearly a 53 percent compound annual rate through 1996, increasing from $8.8 million in 1992 to $200.5 million in 1996.

Why did the place shut down.....theres always more to the story, but like the Zimmerman threads have shown, people will go out of their way to stick their fingers in their ears.

Well, don't know about the article, but I've seen the ad, probably at least a week ago.

quatchi: /RWers trying to assert that making an ad pointing out Mitt's record on job destruction and outsourcing is a dick move in 3, 2, 1...

And then demand an apology.

Ba'boon: If Mitt Romney really *made* a hundred million dollars by shutting down a plant... it deserved to be shut down. Non profitable ventures don't have any room in a capitalist society.

Interesting how you saw the '$100 million' part without noticing the 'company was profitable' part that came before it.

Good... Romney is using his "business experience" to claim he "knows how to crate jobs".

His business experience, so far, has only showed he knows how to create profits for wealthy plutocrats like himself and create more unemployed middle class folks.

Never mind his abysmal record of "job creating" when he was Governor here in the Commonwealth.

Wow these ads (this one and the singing one)are brutal. Any reasonable defense is going to be roundly ignored and people are going to by their emotional response without a second's thought to any possible justifications Mitt might have.

Now this is how you distract people from unemployment numbers!

Gecko Gingrich: Mitt was retroactively on leave that day.

FTFY.

Heh... The typo is actually accurate, too. : )

Ba'boon: If Mitt Romney really *made* a hundred million dollars by shutting down a plant... it deserved to be shut down. Non profitable ventures don't have any room in a capitalist society.

Cool opinion bro.

Glad he shut the plant down, now we have this ad, and more stories about how Mitt Rmoney benefited from putting working people out of work.

Cunning Republican Plan?

Giltric: Why did the place shut down.....theres always more to the story, but like the Zimmerman threads have shown, people will go out of their way to stick their fingers in their ears.

This thread is now Zimmerman. Operation Deflect, Distract & Derail is go, go, go!

keylock71: Heh... The typo is actually accurate, too. : )

I didn't see that at first.

Then I did and I LOLed.

js34603: Wow these ads (this one and the singing one)are brutal. Any reasonable defense is going to be roundly ignored and people are going to by their emotional response without a second's thought to any possible justifications Mitt might have.

Now this is how you distract people from unemployment numbers!

Which have been declining... was there a point you were making?

"The other thing that happened," the president claimed in an NBC "Today Show" interview Tuesday, "is there are some structural issues with our economy where a lot of businesses have learned to become much more efficient with a lot fewer workers."

"You see it when you go to a bank and you use an ATM. You don't go to a bank teller. Or you go to the airport and you're using a kiosk instead of checking in at the gate."

js34603: Wow these ads (this one and the singing one)are brutal. Any reasonable defense is going to be roundly ignored and people are going to by their emotional response without a second's thought to any possible justifications Mitt might have.

Now this is how you distract people from unemployment numbers!

Hey, What's Romney's plan on jobs?

Giltric: Why did the place shut down.....theres always more to the story, but like the Zimmerman threads have shown, people will go out of their way to stick their fingers in their ears.

We just have to wait till Republican party leader Rush Limbaugh can tell Fark Cons why this is a good thing then we will have that missing part of the story.

jodaveki: Which have been declining... was there a point you were making?

That is not a Zimmerman question.

It is about time Dems got their big boy/girl pants on and started to fight back! That is one hell of an ad.

Why throw in the "OMG Romney made 100 million dollars in one day!!11!" lie?
I mean I know it's to try and scare people but why not just say "OMG Romney made 100 billion trillion dollars in 24hours!!!!!11! ". If they know Obama voters are dumb enough to fall for it, why not go big?

earthwirm: "The other thing that happened," the president claimed in an NBC "Today Show" interview Tuesday, "is there are some structural issues with our economy where a lot of businesses have learned to become much more efficient with a lot fewer workers."

"You see it when you go to a bank and you use an ATM. You don't go to a bank teller. Or you go to the airport and you're using a kiosk instead of checking in at the gate."

And... that's why the company shut down with $170 million in debt and Bain walked away with $100 million in cash?

And the really sweet part, we bought the machinery at the subsequent auction for like a 90% discount, found some hicks to invest in a new company, leeched our management fees out of the capital account, and closed that one down too.

One born every minute? Those rubes were about an hour's worth.

js34603: Wow these ads (this one and the singing one)are brutal. Any reasonable defense is going to be roundly ignored and people are going to by their emotional response without a second's thought to any possible justifications Mitt might have.

Now this is how you distract people from unemployment numbers!

Vote Republican?

The proxy elections have begun.

/The Roberts Court will be remembered as one of the most disastrous in American history.

robrr2003: Why throw in the "OMG Romney made 100 million dollars in one day!!11!" lie?

Because you have a learning disorder that prevents you from understanding anything you read or hear?

Giltric: Looks like Bain did nothing but grow the company ....


.It remained so until July 1992 when Bain Capital, Inc. and the management of newly formed American Pad & Paper Company purchased the subsidiary from Mead. Since its inception in 1992, the new company has seen net sales grow at nearly a 53 percent compound annual rate through 1996, increasing from $8.8 million in 1992 to $200.5 million in 1996.

Why did the place shut down.....theres always more to the story, but like the Zimmerman threads have shown, people will go out of their way to stick their fingers in their ears.

Are they using the "up shiat's creek/at bankruptcy's door" numbers as the baseline? Do they count any stripped-off-and-sold assets as "post-Bain sales" or not (if I sell a division of my company for $10,000,000, did I really make $10M that quarter, or did I trade an asset and its future earnings for a lump-sum payment today - I know how the bean-counters count it, I'm saying that's not reflective of reality)? Did anyone from pre-July 1992 get the any of the pension/other benefits they had earned, or did that vanish (leaving the new entity with that much more cash on the books)?

And not having a baseline for what might have happened without Bain over a 4-year economic expansion which, you may recall, was a bit of a good time to be in business. How well did the company do relative to the industry? Did Bain take an ax to everything, or did they surgically cut out only those parts that were "dead weight"?

What I'm saying is: "Do some homework to try and be sure that the claim you're making reflects any part of reality."

robrr2003: Why throw in the "OMG Romney made 100 million dollars in one day!!11!" lie?
I mean I know it's to try and scare people but why not just say "OMG Romney made 100 billion trillion dollars in 24hours!!!!!11! ". If they know Obama voters are dumb enough to fall for it, why not go big?

Hell, just say he took a trip to India for $200M a day! Really prove how dumb they really are!

jodaveki: Which have been declining... was there a point you were making?

The incongruous unemployment rate decline accompanying such anemic job growth is a sign of a troubling trend: a shrinking labor force. The unemployment rate is calculated as a percentage of people either with jobs or looking for jobs. When that number shrinks, the unemployment rate can also fall, even without substantial job growth. In April, the labor force participation rate fell to 63.6 percent, the lowest it has been since 1981.


did you think it was declining because everyone was magically finding jobs?

/theres always more to the story.

Wyalt Derp: jodaveki: Which have been declining... was there a point you were making?

That is not a Zimmerman question.

Oh!

Uh, um, wait, where are my notes... HERE! I have a Zimmerman question!!

Are peach fuzz goatees part of the required uniform for overzealous neighborhood watching?