Put up a 25 foot tall statue of Sandusky in Paterno's place so that they have to look at that shiat every single day.

LesserEvil: cretinbob:
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Is this the face of a child molester, or what?

Did somebody photoshop his mouth in place of his eyes, like we so often see in the mugshot roundups?

/Really, Jay, STFU and stay out of the public eye for about 2 or 3 years, and never, ever speak, one way or another, about the scandal. You'll be doing everybody, especially yourself and your family, a huge favor.

BTW - after all this publicity, who is going to hire Jay Paterno as an assistant coach? I guess we'll see but he would have been better off, from a future employment perspective, of just staying quiet and keeping a very low profile.

"Tell ya what, Jay. You help me find the real killer and I'll help you find the real truth."

This whole carrying on over a dead POS's statue is really sad. How pathetic Penn State supporters, students and sycophants look right now. It's a statue of a man who enabled a monster to destroy the lives of little boys.

It's too bad his death wasn't more drawn out. Some suffering would have been just, especially if he was aware of his legacy crumbling. F the family as well.

doglover: And the sick thing is

The sick thing is you're sitting here railing at us while defending an enabler of child rape. I'm not sure if you're that far gone into the People's Temple of Saint Joe or just trolling, but in either case its a sad and pathetic indictment of yourself as a human being. Grow up.

WTF Indeed: t's like, and this is weird, that while JoePA was guilty of protecting a child molester, he was still loved by hundreds of thousands of people, most of all his family.

Well, the family is more than welcome to put up a statue in their front yard.

So I hear ESPN is reporting that NAMBLA is offering its members free Text Messaging Encryption software called "Patern-o-matic" that will help conceal man-boy sexting for up to 14 years. To check that the software is working, it reportedly sends the test message "Hey look, they let me keep the keys to the lockerroom! Time to hit the showers"

doglover: You're just jealous because your life is so full of worthless chaff-like people that's you've never met someone who's made an impact. Least of all someone who made a BIG impact.

So you rail against the idea that someone can have a positive influence on 10s of 1000s and still do bad things. You have to destroy Joe's statue so you can sleep well at night knowing no situation is more complicated than the pathetic black and white little dichotomatic illusions you wrap around yourself.

And the sick thing is, you sit here cawing hate for a lump of inert metal from high atop bullshiat mountain when you live in a country with money and symbolism that idolizes men who bought blacks like horses, shot their fellow countrymen, and commited genocide. Have you ever heard read a history book? Trail of Tears ring any bells? Washington's 300 slaves? Jefferson's addiction to the darkberry? Lots of those "good" people have childrens' dark blood on their hands. Let's pull their face off the money, too. Otherwise you're just being a hypocrite, cherrypicking sins based on how recent as opposed to how dark they are.

Just when I thought the "JoePa Paladins" couldn't get any more ridiculous, you take an "inert lump of metal" and equate it with 200+ years of national symbols...just wow. Our culture and society has changed quite a bit over the past couple of centuries, so judging people solely by current standards is kind of farked up. However, child rape has been pretty bad for quite a lot longer than Paterno was alive (despite his claim that he'd never heard of a male-on-male rape).

And it's not about that "lump of metal." It's about a man who put his own legacy over the innocence of children - a man who people like you STILL want to defend and protect. THAT is why a bronze symbol had to come down.

You talk about "dichotomatic illusions," then follow it with that false dichotomy of all false dichotomies...that tells us that you have a serious case of cognitive dissonance. Ask your doctor if HurrDurr™ tablets are right for you.

And yeah, I cut out the "OMG you are jealous of how awesome JoePa was" stupidity. I'd say you were better than that, but the overall content of your post would contradict me.

rufus-t-firefly: And yeah, I cut out a much longer section belittling the "OMG you are jealous of how awesome JoePa was" stupidity. I'd say you were better than that, but the overall content of your post would contradict me.

FTFM

Note to the Paterno's -- your brilliant strategy isn't working. Best to have a hot, steaming mug of STFU and steer clear of the media.

Yanks_RSJ: Weaver95: look, I understand that the Paterno family has it rough right now. they lost their father, they found out Joe Paterno wasn't the hero they thought he was and now they're watching whats left of his legacy be scrubbed from Penn State campus. Not to mention that they've gone from near divinity status to having their family name dragged through the mud. none of that is easy to endure....so I get where the anger is coming from.

but...seriously folks....sit this one out. just go on vacation for a while, drink some rum, cry on a beach somewhere while the sun sets over a tropical island.

The family's public relations team has to be loving this, since they put out a new statement every 15 minutes, while they desperately try to salvage the Paterno name that is already destroyed.

The only way they can help their name at this point is to STFU and disappear for a while until folks have a chance to forget. Is Paterno the worst human ever? No, someone like Sandusky would be that. But Paterno enabled Sandusky's behavior for over 14 years and destroyed his own name and legacy. The family shutting up and hiding their tails between their legs for a while instead of trying to salvage the unsalvageable is the only intelligent move they have before them.

I actually feel a little bit bad for the Paternos. I mean, I doubt Joe came home and announced he was actively covering up for a child rapist. Still, a friend of the family that has more distance from the situation needs to tell them to STFU and hope the Paterno estate is not named in any civil suits.

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: doglover: And the sick thing is

The sick thing is you're sitting here railing at us while defending an enabler of child rape. I'm not sure if you're that far gone into the People's Temple of Saint Joe or just trolling, but in either case its a sad and pathetic indictment of yourself as a human being. Grow up.

Can't believe I just "smarted" a comment from JTOF.

There were SOME boys who were saved from rape by Joe Pa.

How?

Self-control.

"Alright, Joe, we'll be humane with Jerry and 'keep it in the family'. I see your point about letting him keep access to the locker room facilities, too. There certainly is no way this will come back to bite us in the ass. I'm glad you explained to me that man-on-man rape doesn't exist. Glad we had this conversation."

my lip balm addiction: Can't believe I just "smarted" a comment from JTOF.

Every now and then I have my moments.

I hope there's Sandusky Halloween masks

my lip balm addiction: The only way they can help their name at this point is to STFU and disappear for a while until folks have a chance to forget. Is Paterno the worst human ever? No, someone like Sandusky would be that. But Paterno enabled Sandusky's behavior for over 14 years and destroyed his own name and legacy. The family shutting up and hiding their tails between their legs for a while instead of trying to salvage the unsalvageable is the only intelligent move they have before them.

This is the first time in their lives using the name "Paterno" hasn't gotten them anywhere, and I'm sure they're not used to not getting their way. They absolutely need to go away for a while and let the rest of the civil suits play out without feeling like they have to get their opinion out there whenever something happens that they don't like.

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Every now and then I have my moments.

Just like my intestines ;)

downstairs: Weaver95: At this point, NOTHING is going to make the Paterno family look good. getting out of town for a bit and keeping their heads down would at least take them out of the line of fire.

They deserve the line of fire. They defended his horrid decisions. If my father, mother, or sister did likewise I would disown them immediately. I've disowned one of my sisters for much less, as did my wife with her brother.

Blood may be physically thicker than water, but the metaphor does not hold for rational individuals.

Exactly, they should have avoided this whole thing from the day it broke. They are putting themselves in the spotlight. Say something like "we loved Joe and cannot believe he could do something like this. Our prayers go out to the victims in these horrible events."
Sit back, let the school tear down the statue without response, maybe urge the public to remain calm. In a few months it would blow over for them if they don't raw attention to themselves.

Only now, when it benefits themselves, does a Paterno care about victims.

TedDalton: LesserEvil: cretinbob:
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Is this the face of a child molester, or what?

Did somebody photoshop his mouth in place of his eyes, like we so often see in the mugshot roundups?

/Really, Jay, STFU and stay out of the public eye for about 2 or 3 years, and never, ever speak, one way or another, about the scandal. You'll be doing everybody, especially yourself and your family, a huge favor.

BTW - after all this publicity, who is going to hire Jay Paterno as an assistant coach? I guess we'll see but he would have been better off, from a future employment perspective, of just staying quiet and keeping a very low profile.

I hope to god Penn State doesn't rehire him. That would send the entirely wrong message. They need to distance themselves from this mess as much as possible. But they could figure it would bring in enough Alumni dollars to do it.

downstairs: Lsherm: You're correct. Paterno was exactly as bad as a serial killer.

Nope, but if you've ever dealt with child molestation (I have)... the results are pretty damn close. He didn't end anyone's life by his own hands. Thats for sure. But he certainly allowed something to happen that farked up the lives of many people. I'd say we're splitting hairs here.

I am amazed at how so many people do not get just how bad what happened is. I'm 42. My abuse stopped 35 years ago. I STILL have to deal with it. I will always have to deal with it. It doesn't go away. And, yes, every single good thing Paterno did is outweighed by what he allowed to happen. The good he did for students is outweighed by the damage he allowed to happen to children.

Yes, the amount of damage to kids molested like this is that bad.

And in this case the wonderful people of Penn State have piled on and done such wonderful things as forcing the victims to enter witness protection programs or leave town. I know how bad it was, and is, being called a liar. If I had been through what those kids have gone through I would have killed myself, killed someone else or done both.

My guess is that the Paternos are probably decent people at the end of the day, and have been slugged in the gut with how much their family fortunes have changed over the past 12 months. At this time last year, that family was undoubtedly treated like royalty in Happy Valley (and probably still are in many spots). The last name "Paterno" was the college sports equivalent of "Lombardi". But this is how life goes sometimes. It's tragic, all around, that the fallout from this truly awful scandal is so widespread, but there's nothing that can be done about it now.

One moment, your family enjoys the spoils of being sports celebrities and borderline folk heroes in your town. The next, your family name is synonymous with heinous crimes.

One moment, you're an innocent kid getting to meet some of your sports heroes. The next, a disgusting ogre of a man you respect is taking his towel off to join you in the shower for a game of 'tickle monster'.

It happens. It's awful. It's just part of life sometimes.

TedDalton: Clever how Jay Paterno uses the canard of a desire for the "full truth" knowing full well that it is unattainable when the key figure to such a truth is now on the other side.

\BTW, am I the only one who thinks JoPa would still be alive and preparing for the 2012 season if the Sandusky issue never came to light?

Uh, didn't he die of lung or liver cancer? Pretty hard to believe even if the scandal broke he could beat a terminal organ disease at 80.

SharkTrager:

I am amazed at how so many people do not get just how bad what happened is. I'm 42. My abuse stopped 35 years ago. I STILL have to deal with it. I will always have to deal with it. It doesn't go away. And, yes, every single good thing Paterno did is outweighed by what he allowed to happen. The good he did for students is outweighed by the damage he allowed to happen to children.

Yes, the amount of damage to kids molested like this is that bad.

And in this case the wonderful people of Penn State have piled on and done such wonderful things as forcing the victims to enter witness protection programs or leave town. I know how bad it was, and is, being called a liar. If I had been through what those kids have gone through I would have killed myself, killed someone else or done both.

Sorry for your trauma. :(

Before I got into my current career, I was a counselor at a group home facility for teenagers. We mostly dealt with substance abuse issues for these kids, but there was indeed a lot of sexual abuse in their histories that ran parallel with everything else they had gone through.

Until you see firsthand how that kind of trauma affects a kid, you really can't begin to imagine how devastating it is to them. In almost every case I saw, the kids who had suffered sexual abuse were so full of rage at a world they felt had abandoned them that I was genuinely scared at the crimes they'd commit when they got older. The writing was on the wall with many of them; they were either going to become sexual abusers themselves or turn their anger to violent crime in one form or another. The amount of damage that sexual abuse causes a young mind is damn near impossible to catalogue.

The fact that you're still here at 42 is a testament to your own strength. Much respect.

I feel bad for Jay Paterno because up to this point in his life, his most noteworthy accomplishment has been being born with the right last name. Now he has to actually go do something with his life.

OK, I lied. I don't feel bad for him.

Jay Paterno will eat your soul to find the truth.

octopied: TedDalton: Clever how Jay Paterno uses the canard of a desire for the "full truth" knowing full well that it is unattainable when the key figure to such a truth is now on the other side.

\BTW, am I the only one who thinks JoPa would still be alive and preparing for the 2012 season if the Sandusky issue never came to light?

Uh, didn't he die of lung or liver cancer? Pretty hard to believe even if the scandal broke he could beat a terminal organ disease at 80.

No, silly, he died of a broken heart after he was unjustly fired.

LesserEvil: Noted philanthropist:

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What a great man... how dare people tear him down over committing a little fraud.



What a great man...how dare Mizzou try and rename the Ken Lay Economics Chair (funded by Enron stock) after someone not convicted of securities fraud. He was a great humanitarian.

contrapunctus:

I appreciate that. The fact is I don't take any credit really. I was about at the end at one point and happened to bump in to someone by accident who talked me in to doing the right thing before I did the wrong thing. After that it was just fortunate that I'm stubborn with a high pain threshold.

velvet_fog: What a great man...how dare Mizzou try and rename the Ken Lay Economics Chair (funded by Enron stock) after someone not convicted of securities fraud. He was a great humanitarian.

The best thing about that was when he asked for the money back and Mizzou told him to fark off.

octopied: TedDalton: Clever how Jay Paterno uses the canard of a desire for the "full truth" knowing full well that it is unattainable when the key figure to such a truth is now on the other side.

\BTW, am I the only one who thinks JoPa would still be alive and preparing for the 2012 season if the Sandusky issue never came to light?

Uh, didn't he die of lung or liver cancer? Pretty hard to believe even if the scandal broke he could beat a terminal organ disease at 80.

I wouldn't be surprised if the stress pushed things along faster than they otherwise would have occurred.

dywed88: octopied: TedDalton: Clever how Jay Paterno uses the canard of a desire for the "full truth" knowing full well that it is unattainable when the key figure to such a truth is now on the other side.

\BTW, am I the only one who thinks JoPa would still be alive and preparing for the 2012 season if the Sandusky issue never came to light?

Uh, didn't he die of lung or liver cancer? Pretty hard to believe even if the scandal broke he could beat a terminal organ disease at 80.

I wouldn't be surprised if the stress pushed things along faster than they otherwise would have occurred.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had been diagnosed before the season. That, coupled with the grand jury investigation, are likely what led him to renegotiate his contract last year to make sure his family would be taken care of when he retired or died.

"We believe the only way to help the victims is to uncover the full truth"

Well, maybe it's buried under the statue.

Yanks_RSJ: octopied: TedDalton: Clever how Jay Paterno uses the canard of a desire for the "full truth" knowing full well that it is unattainable when the key figure to such a truth is now on the other side.

\BTW, am I the only one who thinks JoPa would still be alive and preparing for the 2012 season if the Sandusky issue never came to light?

Uh, didn't he die of lung or liver cancer? Pretty hard to believe even if the scandal broke he could beat a terminal organ disease at 80.

No, silly, he died of a broken heart after he was unjustly fired.

Not as crazy as you might think, really. People who keep working or stay active live longer than those who don't. Physiology is weird sometimes, if you keep busy and feel like you have a purpose, you keep going. There are plenty of cases of people retiring and then fading away, in terms of life and in health.

The stress of the Sandusky mess probably is what killed Paterno. Cancer will eventually win, but without the shock of being suddenly unemployed with no real thing to do, nothing to keep him going? I wouldn't be surprised at all.

On another note, anyone got any good ideas for the statue? Let people who were sexually abused as children go at it with blowtorches, then put it back up?

There's too much butt sex these days. THAT'S the main problem.

Joe Paterno grew up in the days of mom, apple pie, baseball and NO SODOMY. JoePa couldn't comprehend man-on-boy shower sex. The gay agenda destroyed a great man.

cptjeff: On another note, anyone got any good ideas for the statue? Let people who were sexually abused as children go at it with blowtorches, then put it back up?

Put the statue back up, but with a giant plaque next to it that says "I enabled a child abusing scumbag for 14 years because I valued football above common human decency". Maybe etch or engrave it on to the chest as well.

mc_madness: There's too much butt sex these days. THAT'S the main problem.

Joe Paterno grew up in the days of mom, apple pie, baseball and NO SODOMY. JoePa couldn't comprehend man-on-boy shower sex. The gay agenda destroyed a great man.

Ah, You've met my crazy right-wing neighbor I see. The one with the "PENN STATE KILLED JOEPA!" signs in the windows...

Yes, I'm serious

Right next to the "Obama is a Martian, I saw the real birth certificate!" ones....

Sometimes I hate this town

mc_madness: There's too much butt sex these days. THAT'S the main problem.

Joe Paterno grew up in the days of mom, apple pie, baseball and NO SODOMY. JoePa couldn't comprehend man-on-boy shower sex. The gay agenda destroyed a great man.

6/10. Too tired right now for a full critique. Sorry.

On topic, is there an "itstimetostopposting.jpg" variant for people like the Paterni? "Itstimetostopreleasingpublicstatement s.jpg" or something?

Owangotang: Only now, when it benefits themselves, does a Paterno care about victims.

sadly, the 'victims' they're most concerned about are Joe's legacy and their wallets.

You should never go full truth Full Retard.

I think this episode in American sports history should cause people, particularly those in academia, to think more carefully about who they erect statues of and name buildings for.
Rule 1 should be, Wait til two years after they're dead. That gives time for accusations to emerge and be confirmed or squashed.

Discussion forum for another day: Is there anyone alive today in any field who will merit a statue in his/her memory two years after death?

Blame the janitor who witnessed a boy being raped and went back to reading his newspaper.

Godscrack: Weaver95: getting out of town for a bit and keeping their heads down would at least take them out of the line of fire.

They wouldn't have to do that if someone in their family with balls, would stand up and denounce the actions of their loved one. This is their lives at stake here. It isn't going to go away by going on vacation for awhile.

They still don't understand, by Joe's actions of closing an eye for so many years, how he was actually hurting them in the long run.

By keeping these crimes a secret, he was farking his own family at the same time. Hell, he was probably glad he was dying knowing he would leave them with the tab.

why should they denounce the actions of their father if they don't believe the report. I don't he was happy to leave them with this crap. I respect the family for standing by their father when it would be easy to throw him to the dogs. I also agree they should get of town for a bit

WTF Indeed: 2wolves: Were anyone of those folks you mention bronzed and placed for public display?

It's strange, it's almost like the statue was the physical representation of the pre-Freeh report memory of JoePA, and that with it's removal those closest to him(like his family) would feel that it's removal was an attack on not only the patriachry of their family, but a, until then, beloved person for those connected to PSU for 50 years. It's like, and this is weird, that while JoePA was guilty of protecting a child molester, he was still loved by hundreds of thousands of people, most of all his family.

So that makes it all better? Are you really that dense?

consider this: Blame the janitor who witnessed a boy being raped and went back to reading his newspaper.

Too. You left out "too".

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In the Paterno family's defense, they're now faced with the prospect of having to get like REAL jobs and shiat. Totally sucks. Just two years ago the kids and grandkids were assuming they could live off the old man for eternity. Now Penn St. is booting them, the lawsuits are coming, their cushy existence is over. They are the real victims here, so their statement is accurate.