The truth that while Joe Paterno covered up the abuse of children so did numerous university officials, Board members, local police, county DA, former PA AG and current PA Governor Tom Corbett, members of the Second Mile Charity, and most of all; those closest to Sandusky. It's almost like this story isn't just about a pedophile and a football coach.

Maybe they can help OJ find the real killer out on the golf course.

WTF Indeed: The truth that while Joe Paterno covered up the abuse of children so did numerous university officials, Board members, local police, county DA, former PA AG and current PA Governor Tom Corbett, members of the Second Mile Charity, and most of all; those closest to Sandusky. It's almost like this story isn't just about a pedophile and a football coach.

Were anyone of those folks you mention bronzed and placed for public display?

The Paterno family will be happy to know that Penn State plans to keep Joe's name on the school library.

2wolves: Were anyone of those folks you mention bronzed and placed for public display?

It's strange, it's almost like the statue was the physical representation of the pre-Freeh report memory of JoePA, and that with it's removal those closest to him(like his family) would feel that it's removal was an attack on not only the patriachry of their family, but a, until then, beloved person for those connected to PSU for 50 years. It's like, and this is weird, that while JoePA was guilty of protecting a child molester, he was still loved by hundreds of thousands of people, most of all his family.

"uncover the full truth"? Is that like saying OJ will resume the hunt for the real killers after he gets out if jail?

So, I guess the rules are:

1. Trayvon and/or Zimmerman thread: DRINK!
2. JoePa thread: DRINK!
3. JoePa coving up Zimmerman raping Trayvon's corpse thread: Empty the bottle, buy another, empty that, weep.

Shostie: So, I guess the rules are:

1. Trayvon and/or Zimmerman thread: DRINK!
2. JoePa thread: DRINK!
3. JoePa coving up Zimmerman raping Trayvon's corpse thread: Empty the bottle, buy another, empty that, weep.

Zimmerman is so three weeks ago, hell JoePA is boring now. Now it's "Are movies making young people kill?" threads.

Look, he wasn't an ignorant observer, as he claimed when he was alive. For that reason alone they should take it down, or put it up somewhere where it isn't associated with the university. You can still honor the football program while expressing disapproval of his actions. He did plenty of good while he was alive, but this is a serious enough transgression to stain him forever with a giant asterisk whenever his name is mentioned.

WTF Indeed: It's strange, it's almost like the statue was the physical representation of the pre-Freeh report memory of JoePA, and that with it's removal those closest to him(like his family) would feel that it's removal was an attack on not only the patriachry of their family, but a, until then, beloved person for those connected to PSU for 50 years. It's like, and this is weird, that while JoePA was guilty of protecting a child molester, he was still loved by hundreds of thousands of people, most of all his family.

Exactly. And it was precisely that insane cult of personality and deification of a man and a football program that were material facilitators of these crimes. They deserve to be torn down.

Lsherm: Look, he wasn't an ignorant observer, as he claimed when he was alive. For that reason alone they should take it down, or put it up somewhere where it isn't associated with the university. You can still honor the football program while expressing disapproval of his actions. He did plenty of good while he was alive, but this is a serious enough transgression to stain him forever with a giant asterisk whenever his name is mentioned.

Someone on here suggested covering it up for a decade or whatever.

Shostie: Lsherm: Look, he wasn't an ignorant observer, as he claimed when he was alive. For that reason alone they should take it down, or put it up somewhere where it isn't associated with the university. You can still honor the football program while expressing disapproval of his actions. He did plenty of good while he was alive, but this is a serious enough transgression to stain him forever with a giant asterisk whenever his name is mentioned.

Someone on here suggested covering it up for a decade or whatever.

I like that.

This is all just the educated, affluent version of "But Joey was such a good kid. He's never been in trouble before."

And it's just as much BS.

johnnylarue: The Paterno family will be happy to know that Penn State plans to keep Joe's name on the school library.

Because if anyone was able to close the book on some kids, it was Joe.

look, I understand that the Paterno family has it rough right now. they lost their father, they found out Joe Paterno wasn't the hero they thought he was and now they're watching whats left of his legacy be scrubbed from Penn State campus. Not to mention that they've gone from near divinity status to having their family name dragged through the mud. none of that is easy to endure....so I get where the anger is coming from.

but...seriously folks....sit this one out. just go on vacation for a while, drink some rum, cry on a beach somewhere while the sun sets over a tropical island.

kronicfeld: WTF Indeed: It's strange, it's almost like the statue was the physical representation of the pre-Freeh report memory of JoePA, and that with it's removal those closest to him(like his family) would feel that it's removal was an attack on not only the patriachry of their family, but a, until then, beloved person for those connected to PSU for 50 years. It's like, and this is weird, that while JoePA was guilty of protecting a child molester, he was still loved by hundreds of thousands of people, most of all his family.

Exactly. And it was precisely that insane cult of personality and deification of a man and a football program that were material facilitators of these crimes. They deserve to be torn down.

Last time a cult of personality of this size was dismantled, it took two nukes, the Russians, and MacArthur.

/the Paterno family has gone full Zimmerman

Lsherm: He did plenty of good while he was alive

So did John Wayne Gacy. Was a clown that entertained hundreds of kids, most of which he did not murder.

Is this the face of a child molester, or what?

cretinbob: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x355]

Is this the face of a child molester, or what?

Either that or a stroke survivor.

PainInTheASP: cretinbob: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x355]

Is this the face of a child molester, or what?

Either that or a stroke survivor.

Can't it be both?

Weaver95: just go on vacation for a while, drink some rum, cry on a beach somewhere while the sun sets over a tropical island.

So, stick your heads in the sand while more enablers of child sexual torture and abuse get a pass?

Are employed by the church?

Godscrack: Weaver95: just go on vacation for a while, drink some rum, cry on a beach somewhere while the sun sets over a tropical island.

So, stick your heads in the sand while more enablers of child sexual torture and abuse get a pass?

Are employed by the church?

i'm saying that the Paterno family should get the hell out of Pennsylvania for a while.

Weaver95: i'm saying that the Paterno family should get the hell out of Pennsylvania for a while.

I agree. But charges like this don't go away that fast. Even if they weren't directly involved, they're still connected to the whole thing.

And them leaving will only make it look worse.

Godscrack: Weaver95: i'm saying that the Paterno family should get the hell out of Pennsylvania for a while.

I agree. But charges like this don't go away that fast. Even if they weren't directly involved, they're still connected to the whole thing.

And them leaving will only make it look worse.

At this point, NOTHING is going to make the Paterno family look good. getting out of town for a bit and keeping their heads down would at least take them out of the line of fire.

Weaver95: At this point, NOTHING is going to make the Paterno family look good. getting out of town for a bit and keeping their heads down would at least take them out of the line of fire.

They deserve the line of fire. They defended his horrid decisions. If my father, mother, or sister did likewise I would disown them immediately. I've disowned one of my sisters for much less, as did my wife with her brother.

Blood may be physically thicker than water, but the metaphor does not hold for rational individuals.

downstairs: Weaver95: At this point, NOTHING is going to make the Paterno family look good. getting out of town for a bit and keeping their heads down would at least take them out of the line of fire.

They deserve the line of fire. They defended his horrid decisions. If my father, mother, or sister did likewise I would disown them immediately. I've disowned one of my sisters for much less, as did my wife with her brother.

Blood may be physically thicker than water, but the metaphor does not hold for rational individuals.

I get what you're saying but...not everyone feels the same way. All i'm saying is that I understand that the strain on the Paterno family has to be pretty high.

Weaver95: getting out of town for a bit and keeping their heads down would at least take them out of the line of fire.

They wouldn't have to do that if someone in their family with balls, would stand up and denounce the actions of their loved one. This is their lives at stake here. It isn't going to go away by going on vacation for awhile.

They still don't understand, by Joe's actions of closing an eye for so many years, how he was actually hurting them in the long run.

By keeping these crimes a secret, he was farking his own family at the same time. Hell, he was probably glad he was dying knowing he would leave them with the tab.

WTF Indeed: The truth that while Joe Paterno covered up the abuse of children so did numerous university officials, Board members, local police, county DA, former PA AG and current PA Governor Tom Corbett, members of the Second Mile Charity, and most of all; those closest to Sandusky. It's almost like this story isn't just about a pedophile and a football coach.

Which is why they should ALL burn. Screw Penn State, screw the football program, screw Joe Paterno's family, screw McCleary, screw the police, screw the DA, ALL of them are guilty. Take as many as you can down and make a fricking example out of them. NEVER COVER UP OR IGNORE CHILD MOLESTATION. There's your morality lesson.

Weaver95: I get what you're saying but...not everyone feels the same way. All i'm saying is that I understand that the strain on the Paterno family has to be pretty high.

The strain happens when you feel the irrational need to defend him. Its stupid. I moved 900 miles away from my family for reasons that were FAR less than child rape and all that. If you want to interview me on my why my sisters are coonts and drama queens, I'll tell ya. Not that hard.

downstairs: Lsherm: He did plenty of good while he was alive

So did John Wayne Gacy. Was a clown that entertained hundreds of kids, most of which he did not murder.

You're correct. Paterno was exactly as bad as a serial killer.

Godscrack: They wouldn't have to do that if someone in their family with balls

Exactly. My dad is a prick. It didn't take me that long to realize it, and its not that hard for me to vocalize it. Its just life. In my life (37 years old) I've gone through much tougher stuff than realizing the sheer majority of my family consists of bad people. I don't think... heck, I know... I don't have heroic emotional strength... but abandoning the drama wasn't that hard. When I'm out at a bar and someone asks me about my family, I'm pretty blunt and honest.

kronicfeld: WTF Indeed: It's strange, it's almost like the statue was the physical representation of the pre-Freeh report memory of JoePA, and that with it's removal those closest to him(like his family) would feel that it's removal was an attack on not only the patriachry of their family, but a, until then, beloved person for those connected to PSU for 50 years. It's like, and this is weird, that while JoePA was guilty of protecting a child molester, he was still loved by hundreds of thousands of people, most of all his family.

Exactly. And it was precisely that insane cult of personality and deification of a man and a football program that were material facilitators of these crimes. They deserve to be torn down.

You're just jealous because your life is so full of worthless chaff-like people that's you've never met someone who's made an impact. Least of all someone who made a BIG impact.

So you rail against the idea that someone can have a positive influence on 10s of 1000s and still do bad things. You have to destroy Joe's statue so you can sleep well at night knowing no situation is more complicated than the pathetic black and white little dichotomatic illusions you wrap around yourself.

And the sick thing is, you sit here cawing hate for a lump of inert metal from high atop bullshiat mountain when you live in a country with money and symbolism that idolizes men who bought blacks like horses, shot their fellow countrymen, and commited genocide. Have you ever heard read a history book? Trail of Tears ring any bells? Washington's 300 slaves? Jefferson's addiction to the darkberry? Lots of those "good" people have childrens' dark blood on their hands. Let's pull their face off the money, too. Otherwise you're just being a hypocrite, cherrypicking sins based on how recent as opposed to how dark they are.

Lsherm: You're correct. Paterno was exactly as bad as a serial killer.

Nope, but if you've ever dealt with child molestation (I have)... the results are pretty damn close. He didn't end anyone's life by his own hands. Thats for sure. But he certainly allowed something to happen that farked up the lives of many people. I'd say we're splitting hairs here.

doglover: You have to destroy Joe's statue

1. On a first name basis, are you? Idolatry indeed.
2. I'm not destroying anything.

doglover:
So you rail against the idea that someone can have a positive influence on 10s of 1000s and still do bad things. You have to destroy Joe's statue so you can sleep well at night knowing no situation is more complicated than the pathetic black and white little dichotomatic illusions you wrap around yourself.

well...no. see, the reasoning goes like this - if you achieve 'great things' but do so at the cost of increasing human suffering then you are evil and evil should be punished. for most people, PSU's football achievements are invalidated by the coverup of serial child rape. which, oddly enough, gives me hope for mankind.

And the sick thing is, you sit here cawing hate for a lump of inert metal from high atop bullshiat mountain when you live in a country with money and symbolism that idolizes men who bought blacks like horses, shot their fellow countrymen, and commited genocide. Have you ever heard read a history book? Trail of Tears ring any bells? Washington's 300 slaves? Jefferson's addiction to the darkberry? Lots of those "good" people have childrens' dark blood on their hands. Let's pull their face off the money, too. Otherwise you're just being a hypocrite, cherrypicking sins based on how recent as opposed to how dark they are.

And seem to think that a good record on the football field should excuse a coverup of over a decade of pedo rape. I'm not sure what point it is you think you're trying to make.

doglover: And the sick thing is, you sit here cawing hate for a lump of inert metal from high atop bullshiat mountain when you live in a country with money and symbolism that idolizes men who bought blacks like horses, shot their fellow countrymen, and commited genocide. Have you ever heard read a history book? Trail of Tears ring any bells? Washington's 300 slaves? Jefferson's addiction to the darkberry? Lots of those "good" people have childrens' dark blood on their hands. Let's pull their face off the money, too. Otherwise you're just being a hypocrite, cherrypicking sins based on how recent as opposed to how dark they are.

Therefore we should turn a blind eye to people whose inaction facilitate and enable child molestation. You Paterno/Penn State fans are now to be called the Brain Trust due to your awesome reasoning skills. I can't even count the logical fallacies in that statement. I think you hit them all.

The next person who refers to Paterno as "JoePa" as if they were close personal buddies will be locked up in a cell with Sandusky, and a tube of KY Jelly thrown in the cell for good measure.

I love that we can have the "he was just the figurehead old guy and didn't really know what was going on" + "he's just the football coach" argument in a thread about the goddamn statue that has been up for 10 years.

Three active Pedo State threads?

cretinbob: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x355]

Is this the face of a child molester, or what?

nope. is the face of someone that refuses to believe that his meal ticket of a last name has been taken away, and he might actually have to make his own way in the world

cretinbob:


Is this the face of a child molester, or what?

Did somebody photoshop his mouth in place of his eyes, like we so often see in the mugshot roundups?

/Really, Jay, STFU and stay out of the public eye for about 2 or 3 years, and never, ever speak, one way or another, about the scandal. You'll be doing everybody, especially yourself and your family, a huge favor.

doglover: You're just jealous because your life is so full of worthless chaff-like people that's you've never met someone who's made an impact. Least of all someone who made a BIG impact.So you rail against the idea that someone can have a positive influence on 10s of 1000s and still do bad things. You have to destroy Joe's statue so you can sleep well at night knowing no situation is more complicated than the pathetic black and white little dichotomatic illusions you wrap around yourself.

I don't in any way "rail against the idea that someone can have a positive influence on 10s of 1000s and still do bad things." Hell, it's what we're all talking about in here. The question is whether the evil of ignoring/condoning a child molester in his midst for years is outweighed by his running a successful football program. Most people in here, myself included, feel that it is not.

I'm not saying to scrub Paterno from the record books like some general who offended Stalin, but knowing what we now know about the whole man and what he allowed to happen, and the way he was careful to secure his financial future just before the whole thing hit the fan, isn't it a tad shameful to imagine that statue still standing there, glorifying his athletic achievements as if that was all that mattered in the world? Get over your vicarious glory days, coach-worshippers.

Weaver95: look, I understand that the Paterno family has it rough right now. they lost their father, they found out Joe Paterno wasn't the hero they thought he was and now they're watching whats left of his legacy be scrubbed from Penn State campus. Not to mention that they've gone from near divinity status to having their family name dragged through the mud. none of that is easy to endure....so I get where the anger is coming from.

but...seriously folks....sit this one out. just go on vacation for a while, drink some rum, cry on a beach somewhere while the sun sets over a tropical island.

The family's public relations team has to be loving this, since they put out a new statement every 15 minutes, while they desperately try to salvage the Paterno name that is already destroyed.

violentsalvation: Shostie: Lsherm: Look, he wasn't an ignorant observer, as he claimed when he was alive. For that reason alone they should take it down, or put it up somewhere where it isn't associated with the university. You can still honor the football program while expressing disapproval of his actions. He did plenty of good while he was alive, but this is a serious enough transgression to stain him forever with a giant asterisk whenever his name is mentioned.

Someone on here suggested covering it up for a decade or whatever.

I like that.

I prefered the "turn it so it's looking the other way" idea. More poetic

Noted philanthropist:



What a great man... how dare people tear him down over committing a little fraud.

Theres a reason PSU sued so that they could not be held to their freedom of information responsibilities.

Clever how Jay Paterno uses the canard of a desire for the "full truth" knowing full well that it is unattainable when the key figure to such a truth is now on the other side.

\BTW, am I the only one who thinks JoPa would still be alive and preparing for the 2012 season if the Sandusky issue never came to light?