To be fair, the politics of TDKR is pretty muddled.

So, no more love for "Atlas Shrugged"?

They're so fickle.

Wow. Pathetic. How farked in the head do you have to be to view a movie like that through a political prism? What a sad sad life. Seriously just kill yourself.

sammyk: Wow. Pathetic. How farked in the head do you have to be to view a movie like that through a political prism? What a sad sad life. Seriously just kill yourself.

This is not fair. The Batman movies should be viewed through a political prism - they are clearly trying to say something about the nature of society, crime and justice. It's just that Breitbart is idiotic in the way it interprets...everything.

But I thought it was a horrible attack against Romney and Bain Capital?

MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS!

I always thought the E Type Hearse was cool.

Mmmmmmm. Sunbeer.

DNRTFA - Let me guess, it's "Conservative" because it shows that we should let the rich have as much money as possible so they can spend it all becoming super-hero crime fighters that will save us from our own miserable immoral selves, and that only evil doers want to prevent the rich from having the resources necessary to become vigilante crime fighters?

The GOP: A bunch of Richie Riches who've mistaken themselves for Bruce Wayne.

Careful, how are you going to cry about hollywood and the mainstream media conspiracy now?

What I liked about the movie is that neither side was really presented well. The rich were greedy wankers, but when Bane's people took over in the name of freedom, they immediately instituted Maoist show courts and death squads. Caught in the middle of the two were the normal people just trying to survive.

Batman is pretty clearly the Ronald Wilson Reagan Exclusive Economic Zone while Bane is obviously Somali pirates.

Mentat: What I liked about the movie is that neither side was really presented well. The rich were greedy wankers, but when Bane's people took over in the name of freedom, they immediately instituted Maoist show courts and death squads. Caught in the middle of the two were the normal people just trying to survive.

This is how I took it as well, though Bane's politics were not very fleshed out. It seemed clear to me Nolan was going for some kind of Cultural Revolution/Reign of Terror thing, but it needed more development.

What is the big freakout over this movie -- aside from the dingleberry shooting everyone, it seems like everyone has gone a little bat shiat crazy. (ah ha ha ha)

It's Batman, folks, yes -- cool story and all, but holy collective insanity batman -- some of the people I know are frothed up worse than Twilight kids.

DamnYankees: sammyk: Wow. Pathetic. How farked in the head do you have to be to view a movie like that through a political prism? What a sad sad life. Seriously just kill yourself.

This is not fair. The Batman movies should be viewed through a political prism - they are clearly trying to say something about the nature of society, crime and justice. It's just that Breitbart is idiotic in the way it interprets...everything.

Funny, I thought superhero movies were meant to be entertaining. But that's just me. Mixing politics and entertainment makes it impossible to enjoy. The only exception is RATM. Cause that's just badass.

B-b-b-b-b-but Bane Capital!

DNRTFA, and I don't want (m)any spoliers, but is this like the "Batman is like GW Bush because he made a hard decision to surveil anything and everything even though he knew it was wrong but he had to PROTECT AMERICA FROM DANGEROUS TERRORISTS so he did *sniff* what he did *sniff* because he LOVES us so much I MISS YOU DUBYA *sob* *crycrycry*" from 4 years ago?

MisterLoki: Mmmmmmm. Sunbeer.

Isn't Sunbeer one of Apu's kids?

Mentat: What I liked about the movie is that neither side was really presented well. The rich were greedy wankers, but when Bane's people took over in the name of freedom, they immediately instituted Maoist show courts and death squads. Caught in the middle of the two were the normal people just trying to survive.

I haven't seen it yet. That does however sound just about right.

DamnYankees: Mentat: What I liked about the movie is that neither side was really presented well. The rich were greedy wankers, but when Bane's people took over in the name of freedom, they immediately instituted Maoist show courts and death squads. Caught in the middle of the two were the normal people just trying to survive.

This is how I took it as well, though Bane's politics were not very fleshed out. It seemed clear to me Nolan was going for some kind of Cultural Revolution/Reign of Terror thing, but it needed more development.

Well, Bane's politics are simple, basically the politics of the League of Shadows from the first movie - Death to all of Gotham, because it is "corrupt beyond saving". The "revolution" talk was just a ruse to that end, was it not. More interesting is the overall portrayal of just how readily the citizens bought into Bane's "revolution".

It's just a farking movie. It doesn't have a political agenda.

Step out of the echo chamber for once and try actually enjoying something.

It is obvioulsy that Selina Kyle is Solyndra.

FTFA (6) Guns: One of Batman's rules is that he will not use firearms, since his parents were killed by gunshot. At one point, Kyle has to save him by using guns - and she tells him that she disagrees with his rule. It's hard for the audience to disagree, seeing as all the bad guys have guns - and in one scene in which thousands of cops charge the Occupy Army of Bane, the Occupy Army blows the underarmed cops away.

Holy Fark, this douchebag actually include that.

Lost Thought 00: DamnYankees: Mentat: What I liked about the movie is that neither side was really presented well. The rich were greedy wankers, but when Bane's people took over in the name of freedom, they immediately instituted Maoist show courts and death squads. Caught in the middle of the two were the normal people just trying to survive.

This is how I took it as well, though Bane's politics were not very fleshed out. It seemed clear to me Nolan was going for some kind of Cultural Revolution/Reign of Terror thing, but it needed more development.

Well, Bane's politics are simple, basically the politics of the League of Shadows from the first movie - Death to all of Gotham, because it is "corrupt beyond saving". The "revolution" talk was just a ruse to that end, was it not. More interesting is the overall portrayal of just how readily the citizens bought into Bane's "revolution".

I agree, it was a ruse - he has a line about that when he's in the prison with Bruce. He says something like just how the chance to escape is the hope that makes Bruce's time in the prison that much more horrible, so his 'revolution' is the hope that will make the people of Gotham's inevitable destruction more painful. But I don't think they developed this very well in the movie.

You can't go wrong living your life by looking at the sum of Brietbart's (site, not the festering boil himself) wisdom, and always thinking and doing the exact opposite.

I don't know who this is, and I don't care to find out.

Seriously, can we stop with the motherf--king Breitbart (would not know about those assholes if it wasn't for Fark, thanks, Drew) and TownHall (likewise) links yet?

I know this post is not helping.. But it's my last click and post in these.

sammyk: DamnYankees: sammyk: Wow. Pathetic. How farked in the head do you have to be to view a movie like that through a political prism? What a sad sad life. Seriously just kill yourself.

This is not fair. The Batman movies should be viewed through a political prism - they are clearly trying to say something about the nature of society, crime and justice. It's just that Breitbart is idiotic in the way it interprets...everything.

Funny, I thought superhero movies were meant to be entertaining. But that's just me. Mixing politics and entertainment makes it impossible to enjoy. The only exception is RATM. Cause that's just badass.


Disagrees.

And to be honest, DKR (and the whole Dark Knight trilogy) very much seems to have Something to Say. And there is definitely a political bent to this one, considering that Bane specifically creates a class revolution to serve as a cover for his purging of Gotham. I think Mentat nailed it though; neither side is really presented as being "right". The rich and powerful in the beginning are largely complete pricks and are running Gotham into the ground, but then Bane takes over and the whole island plays Lord of the Flies.

Must have missed the fact that Rorschach is a right wing extremist I suppose.

Dr Dreidel: B-b-b-b-b-but Bane Capital!

DNRTFA, and I don't want (m)any spoliers, but is this like the "Batman is like GW Bush because he made a hard decision to surveil anything and everything even though he knew it was wrong but he had to PROTECT AMERICA FROM DANGEROUS TERRORISTS so he did *sniff* what he did *sniff* because he LOVES us so much I MISS YOU DUBYA *sob* *crycrycry*" from 4 years ago?

Yes. I was reminded of that while watching Bane, our villain in TDKR, appear to side with the 99% (or pretend he did). I figured the right would latch onto this, and it appears I was correct.

hubiestubert: But I thought it was a horrible attack against Romney and Bain Capital?


It is, except when it isn't.

randomjsa: Must have missed the fact that Rorschach is a right wing extremist I suppose.

He's based on Steve Ditko's superhero The Question. Ditko is a hardcore Objectivist, and The Question was designed to be an Objectivist superhero. Even more extreme is his later creation Mr. A, whose very name is a rather on-the-nose reference to Rand's "A is A" thing.

MisterLoki: Mmmmmmm. Sunbeer.

NO. Beer is skunked by sunlight.

Remember, too, that Bane's plan wouldn't have been possible without the help of the rich businessmen motivated by greed. Their greed allowed Bane to take over. At the same time, the movie shows a US government completely cowed by a terrorist, willing to shoot school children or anyone who tried to escape because "security" was more important than "freedom." At the end, it was an army of cops who rise up to beat back the usurpers, clear shades of Occupy there.

In the end, it's a movie, and movies are like Rorschach tests. What you see says more about you than it does about the film.

People see what they want to see.

A villain in a movie uses populist rhetoric to gain support of "the people" against the rich "elites" even though he never gives them actual power and is a brutal warlord that still murders the people. Truly a triumph of conservative thought over liberal ideals.

Or you can just flip it and says it shows how terrible things get once the working class is squeezed past the point of desperation, we lose our ability at discourse and the ensuing anarchy is something we all need to prevent.

/"this is the stock exchange. There's no money here. There's nothing you can steal."
// "really? Then why are YOU here?"

Nolan has however denied the film criticizes the Occupy movement and insists that none of his Batman films are intended to be political: "I've had as many conversations with people who have seen the film the other way round. We throw a lot of things against the wall to see if it sticks. We put a lot of interesting questions in the air, but that's simply a backdrop for the story. What we're really trying to do is show the cracks of society, show the conflicts that somebody would try to wedge open. We're going to get wildly different interpretations of what the film is supporting and not supporting, but it's not doing any of those things. It's just telling a story. If you're saying, 'Have you made a film that's supposed to be criticizing the Occupy Wall Street movement?' - well, obviously, that's not true."[162]

Link

HeartBurnKid: And to be honest, DKR (and the whole Dark Knight trilogy) very much seems to have Something to Say

Nolan's Batman movies are more about morals and character exploration than any political agenda. The first movie centered around fear and perseverance in the face of adversity, the second focused on morality with an interesting side focus on order vs. chaos, and the third, IMO, is about human frailty and the acceptance of one's weaknesses with another nod to perseverance. YMMV

Regardless, I seriously doubt that Nolan was trying to push a political agenda.

Philip Francis Queeg: FTFA (6) Guns: One of Batman's rules is that he will not use firearms, since his parents were killed by gunshot. At one point, Kyle has to save him by using guns - and she tells him that she disagrees with his rule. It's hard for the audience to disagree, seeing as all the bad guys have guns - and in one scene in which thousands of cops charge the Occupy Army of Bane, the Occupy Army blows the underarmed cops away.

Holy Fark, this douchebag actually include that.

Yeah the cops had guns.

/plus calling it an "occupy army" is pretty damn offensive

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: It is, except when it isn't.

Before any of them saw the movie they just went with the homonym connection. Bain = Bane = liberal plot to throw the election in favor of Obama.

Then, when the movie comes out and they realize the chief villain they've been whining about has a lot more in common with the sorts of far-left liberal dictators you typically see in places like South America they just scrap their prior screeching, pretend it never happened and do a complete 180.

Of course, what they ignore there is the fact that the LoS has an extremist right approach to "justice". "Oh, your city is a festering cesspool of crime? Or once was? Okay, well... just execute everybody anyway."

Or, to sum it up: everything everywhere proves liberals and liberalism is bad even when it contradicts everything else they've been saying. It would be laughable if not for the fact that it's an attitude that seems to work pretty reliable on millions of people across the country every single day.

The fact that the south and parts of middle America aren't constantly covered in goopy grey matter from people's brains just asploding all over the streets thanks to the constant shifting and cognitive dissonance is truly astonishing.

Well then. There it is.

So Ben Shapiro is stealing Michael Medved's shtick now?

Attempting to link your political views to one of the most popular movies of the year......you really have nothing left do you GOP. Your ideas have gotten so twisted by allowing crazy tea party members the megaphone that your political platform is no longer relevant.

Philip Francis Queeg: FTFA (6) Guns: One of Batman's rules is that he will not use firearms, since his parents were killed by gunshot. At one point, Kyle has to save him by using guns - and she tells him that she disagrees with his rule. It's hard for the audience to disagree, seeing as all the bad guys have guns - and in one scene in which thousands of cops charge the Occupy Army of Bane, the Occupy Army blows the underarmed cops away.

Holy Fark, this douchebag actually include that.

SPOILER ALERT - Until Batman showed up in his BAT flying beatle thing and used a gun to destroy a gun. Then the cops got the upperhand. Did he forget that part on purpose?

sammyk: DamnYankees: sammyk: Wow. Pathetic. How farked in the head do you have to be to view a movie like that through a political prism? What a sad sad life. Seriously just kill yourself.

This is not fair. The Batman movies should be viewed through a political prism - they are clearly trying to say something about the nature of society, crime and justice. It's just that Breitbart is idiotic in the way it interprets...everything.

Funny, I thought superhero movies were meant to be entertaining. But that's just me. Mixing politics and entertainment makes it impossible to enjoy. The only exception is RATM. Cause that's just badass.

Clearly you've never experienced the simple pleasure of a presidential debate drinking game.

Wayne 985: Nolan has however denied the film criticizes the Occupy movement and insists that none of his Batman films are intended to be political:

This is disingenuous. The films are clearly political, in that they have things to say about the body politics. They aren't direct allegories for current political arguments, though. They are more abstract.

hubiestubert: But I thought it was a horrible attack against Romney and Bain Capital?

MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS!

That would require someone in power telling them to.

These people cannot make up their own minds without someone telling them how they should decide.

Hi! I'm Troy McGreggor. You might remember me from such fine film reviews as: The Final Sacrifice (1998) or Bovine Unveristy.

Also means Zap Rowsdower is automatically president.

Of course it's the most Republican movie ever, complete with an unhinged nutjob exercising his second amendment right to send people into the greatest health care system in the world before the evil socialist Obamacare takes hold, people.

I haven't seen TDKR, but judging by the previous film (partly) being a metaphor for W's abduct and torture program, I highly doubt what this conservative anus is saying.

Bruce Wayne sacrificed everything for the benefit of all of Gotham's citizens.
Sounds socialist to me.