thornhill: he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.

Wow. I wonder why the human etch-a-sketch isn't shouting this from the rooftops?

Obama was willing to see the light and change his position.

If Cantor is sincere about doing the same thing, good on him.

Cletus C.: Obama was willing to see the light and change his position.

If Cantor is sincere about doing the same thing, good on him.

The thing is, he's not really changing his position. He's just saying they should stop focusing on it because it hurts them politically now.

Corvus: what_now: Here's the thing, GOP.

The gays aren't going to be ok with "Well, we don't support you, but we'll stop hitting you", or "I guess, maybe civil unions are ok", or "Well, I suppose you shouldn't have your children taken from you".

The gays and their advocates (meaning, most of America) won't stop until marriage equality is enacted in all 50 states and discrimination is illegal.

And we'll all remember who stood in the way.

You've never listened to the delusional beliefs of log cabin Republicans have you? They delusionally believe the GOP supports gay rights more than Democrats do.

Wow. I want some of what they're smoking...

Erm... Wait a minute...

coeyagi: vernonFL: NOW the GOP wants to be the big tent party of tolerance.

Sorry guys, its too late.

Conservatives
Neoconservatives
Paleoconservatives
Birthers
Truthers
Birchers
Evangelicals
Catholics
Orthodox Jews
National Socialists

There are MANY types of people the GOP tolerates.

Favorite post of the day, have a cookie.

coeyagi: vernonFL: NOW the GOP wants to be the big tent party of tolerance.

Sorry guys, its too late.

Conservatives
Neoconservatives
Paleoconservatives
Birthers
Truthers
Birchers
Evangelicals
Catholics
Orthodox Jews
National Socialists

There are MANY types of people the GOP tolerates.

GOP: The party of white men over age 65 AND white women over age 65.

Aarontology: Cletus C.: Obama was willing to see the light and change his position.

If Cantor is sincere about doing the same thing, good on him.

The thing is, he's not really changing his position. He's just saying they should stop focusing on it because it hurts them politically now.

It's more like the old Jackie Martling joke "I don't care what a homo puts in his ass... and obviously, neither does he."

Apathy and political expedience does not equal changed position.

Well I'm sure he'll keep the up the intolerance of the poor and middle class.

coeyagi: Aarontology: Cletus C.: Obama was willing to see the light and change his position.

If Cantor is sincere about doing the same thing, good on him.

The thing is, he's not really changing his position. He's just saying they should stop focusing on it because it hurts them politically now.

It's more like the old Jackie Martling joke "I don't care what a homo puts in his ass... and obviously, neither does he."

Apathy and political expedience does not equal changed position.

So, he's been preaching tolerance all along? His record doesn't reflect that.

Aarontology: Cletus C.: Obama was willing to see the light and change his position.

If Cantor is sincere about doing the same thing, good on him.

The thing is, he's not really changing his position. He's just saying they should stop focusing on it because it hurts them politically now.

Does he fail to realize that failure to follow through with his statements about tolerance will do more damage than if he remained silent. Even if it was purely politically motivated (which I think it was) at least he has the balls to stand up to the rest of the biggots in the GOP.

Cletus C.: coeyagi: Aarontology: Cletus C.: Obama was willing to see the light and change his position.

If Cantor is sincere about doing the same thing, good on him.

The thing is, he's not really changing his position. He's just saying they should stop focusing on it because it hurts them politically now.

It's more like the old Jackie Martling joke "I don't care what a homo puts in his ass... and obviously, neither does he."

Apathy and political expedience does not equal changed position.

So, he's been preaching tolerance all along? His record doesn't reflect that.

I am not sure how you could draw that conclusion from my statement unless you were huffing VCR Cleaning Fluid off of a jizz rag. I am saying "NO", Cantor was never tolerant.

Why are you embracing the planks of the Communist party, Mr. Cantor?

Cause the Communists love Muslims?

coeyagi: Cletus C.: coeyagi: Aarontology: Cletus C.: Obama was willing to see the light and change his position.

If Cantor is sincere about doing the same thing, good on him.

The thing is, he's not really changing his position. He's just saying they should stop focusing on it because it hurts them politically now.

It's more like the old Jackie Martling joke "I don't care what a homo puts in his ass... and obviously, neither does he."

Apathy and political expedience does not equal changed position.

So, he's been preaching tolerance all along? His record doesn't reflect that.

I am not sure how you could draw that conclusion from my statement unless you were huffing VCR Cleaning Fluid off of a jizz rag. I am saying "NO", Cantor was never tolerant.

That would be how. What's a VCR?

pjbreeze: Well I'm sure he'll keep the up the intolerance of the poor and middle class.

That should play fine though.

That's ah... pretty cynicals, Tokis

skullkrusher: mahuika: skullkrusher: Hamptons != Fire Island, subby

But Ina Garten has led me to believe it's where the gay men who wear cashmere and eat lamb burgers hang out.

ooh, I like both of those things. Maybe Contessa is onto something

Yeah, Lipitor and quaaludes

skullkrusher: Hamptons != Fire Island, subby

Well, look who's not getting invites to the best parties.

xnecron: quaaludes

She can get quaaludes? Whoa.

He's right - sooner or later gay marriage will stop being a political wedge issue.

Quite frankly, I don't buy the arguments that gay marriage will cause the downfall of society. I agree that the society needs marriages to be healthy. I agree that the state has an interest in fostering marriages. But where I break with that line of thought is with the argument that letting gays marry will cause more of a breakdown in the institution of marriage than any number of other things.

Yes, marriage has historically been defined as the union of one man and one woman. But there isn't a good enough argument that extending that definition will cause harm to justify holding back on it.

Conservatives should be focusing on family values - but there's no reason why same-sex couples can't be included with that.

Vaginal probes will be included in the gift baskets...

FTFA: "And it's that tolerance, I think that that tolerance is something that enables people to be passionate about their positions. And if you're for gay marriage, this country allows you to express your views. Some states support it and allow it, and others don't. But its ok to have that difference of opinion in that," he said.

WRONG!

If you believe gays/lesbians should not be afforded the same rights as other consenting adults, you're on the wrong side of humanity and history, not to mention the Constitution.

Cletus C.: Obama was willing to see the light and change his position.

If Cantor is sincere about doing the same thing, good on him.

Yeah... when one says Republican, the first thing that comes to mind is sincerity. Never pandering, flip-flopping, lying, manipulating or outright hatered of others. It's sincerity, hell let's make it sincerity and love for their fellow american, no matter how different.

WombatControl: He's right - sooner or later gay marriage will stop being a political wedge issue.

Quite frankly, I don't buy the arguments that gay marriage will cause the downfall of society. I agree that the society needs marriages to be healthy. I agree that the state has an interest in fostering marriages. But where I break with that line of thought is with the argument that letting gays marry will cause more of a breakdown in the institution of marriage than any number of other things.

Yes, marriage has historically been defined as the union of one man and one woman. But there isn't a good enough argument that extending that definition will cause harm to justify holding back on it.

Conservatives should be focusing on family values - but there's no reason why same-sex couples can't be included with that.

Umm... religion? Conservatives are typically drawing upon the Biblical definition of marriage (well, the one man, one woman one) as a source of their "dislike" of gay marriage. So of course they have a REASON to be against same sex marriage. I don't agree with that reason, mind you, but it's not like they're against it because they're morons. They're morons, but they have a reason based in a book of fiction, you see.

And, also, WTF is "family values" anyways? Seriously, that makes absolutely no sense from a "party plank" perspective.

Uchiha_Cycliste: Cletus C.: Obama was willing to see the light and change his position.

If Cantor is sincere about doing the same thing, good on him.

Yeah... when one says Republican, the first thing that comes to mind is sincerity. Never pandering, flip-flopping, lying, manipulating or outright hatered of others. It's sincerity, hell let's make it sincerity and love for their fellow american, no matter how different.

So, if Republicans admit they've been wrong in demonizing gays it's a bad thing. For gays.

Eric Cantor is still in the 50 and under set. Eventually, if he wishes to be one of those white-haired politicians, he's going to need to be elected by Gen X and YOUNGER people.
It's just a simple cost-benefit analysis.
Right now your 50 and under politicians can seem a little wibbly wobbly on teh ghey and still get the votes of the giant boomer block, but as boomers continue to die, the GOP needs to change from hating the gays to claiming they've always supported tolerance and marriage equality, and Cantor's just stocking the file cabinet with some sound clips to be used when he's 70 and going "I've always supported tolerance and marriage equality."
I predict he'll get more and more "tolerant" in 2 year increments or so, and probably around 12 years from now will claim he's ALWAYS supported his beloved gays.

Looks like somebody figured out how to read demographics predictions.

Some 'Splainin' To Do: what_now: The gays aren't going to be ok with "Well, we don't support you, but we'll stop hitting you", or "I guess, maybe civil unions are ok", or "Well, I suppose you shouldn't have your children taken from you".

The gays and their advocates (meaning, most of America) won't stop until marriage equality is enacted in all 50 states and discrimination is illegal.

The ironic thing is if the conservatives had gotten behind the civil unions option, from the beginning, that's where everything would have stalled. Even most of the gay rights advocates would have been fine with that, since they thought that was the only "realistic" option.

It's because the right fought this so utterly hard that the proponents eventually decided that marriage was the only option that would ensure their rights, so that's where the debate moved. Trying to bring it back to civil unions is disingenuous and wholly insufficient.

It's pretty clear that calling the same thing by different names for different groups of people is an endorsement of the idea that the groups are fundamentally different. If you see the word "marriage" as sacred, I don't see why you want the government determining what it should mean in the first place. I can respect your different values enough to support the idea that with regards to benefits our government only touches civil unions (both gay and straight), and the word "marriage" can mean whatever the hell your local church wants it to. I can't respect the idea that respect for what some people call sacred justifies our government putting discrimination into law.

Cletus C.: Uchiha_Cycliste: Cletus C.: Obama was willing to see the light and change his position.

If Cantor is sincere about doing the same thing, good on him.

Yeah... when one says Republican, the first thing that comes to mind is sincerity. Never pandering, flip-flopping, lying, manipulating or outright hatered of others. It's sincerity, hell let's make it sincerity and love for their fellow american, no matter how different.

So, if Republicans admit they've been wrong in demonizing gays it's a bad thing. For gays.

I'll believe in their sincerity when they stop trying to amend the constitution to prevent gays from marrying.
When they decided to strike down DOMA from Congress. Hell, if they were to *ADD* an amendment to allow gays to marry. Until then, I'll firmly believe he's lying through his teeth, like usual, because this week it benefits him to play nice.
Hell, within a month he'll almost certainly say or do something that will show this was all BS. The GOP has spoken verry loudly with their actions against gays, one person, once saying that tolerance is better than hatred doesn't carry much weight with me. How many months has it been since NC outlawed gay marriage? How long ago was it that someone who was (and still is) the House foreign intelligence committee accused someone of providing material support for the Muslim brotherhood. How much credence should we give to these pretty words?

SuburbanCowboy: skullkrusher: Uncle Pim: skullkrusher: Hamptons != Fire Island, subby

To be fair, the people I've met in the Pines like to act like they live in the Hamptons.

hehe there's certainly more money in the Hamptons. Lot less chance of seeing guidos in Fire Island though

Not sure what part of Fire Island you're talking about, but many parts of Fire Island are not gay, and are crawling with Guidos.

Of the two predominantly gay communities on Fire Island, guidos would be chased out of the Pines like the Frankenstein monster, if they weren't too worried about messing up their D&G. Cherry Grove would welcome them, but there aren't many there for some reason. My guess would be that guidos don't want to hang around a bunch of 50 year old lesbians and drag queens. I think it's fun in CG, mostly because no one can really judge anyone else there, because the people that would judge others simply don't want to be there.

Obama historically played both sides of the gay marriage debate, depending on which was the most politically expedient at the time.

Link

When he finally cut the b.s. and showed his acceptance and tolerance I didn't doubt his words or motive.

Cletus C.: Obama historically played both sides of the gay marriage debate, depending on which was the most politically expedient at the time.

Link

When he finally cut the b.s. and showed his acceptance and tolerance I didn't doubt his words or motive.

I think Obama played a fine line between what appeared to be his personal beliefs and what he thought was right and just. When push came to shove he has been dismantling DADT, he has said his DOJ would not defend DOMA and I don't doubt he would support and and all efforts to allow gays to marry all across the land. From what I can recall the only negative thing he's said/done in this respect is that he doesn't *personally* like gay marriage, but I don't recall him saying he'd ever stand in the way of it.

Diogenes: For some reason?

But many Republican leaders, including Cantor, are struggling to move past the charged battles on social issues, and to focus the party's rhetorical energies almost entirely on the economy.

Reason: They're losing on those issues.

Also accepted: Fire Island

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Disposable Rob: Diogenes: For some reason?

But many Republican leaders, including Cantor, are struggling to move past the charged battles on social issues, and to focus the party's rhetorical energies almost entirely on the economy.

Reason: They're losing on those issues.

Also accepted: Fire Island

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OMG OMG O:MG OMG OMG OMG OM GI *LOVED* that game.

Too little too late Cantor. It's pretty well established what the GOP as a whole thinks about the gay community. Can't un-ring that bell.

smeegle: Too little too late Cantor. It's pretty well established what the GOP as a whole thinks about the gay community. Can't un-ring that bell.

Arrrrrrgggggghhhhh. Why not? The Democratic Party once supported slavery. I'm not holding them to that position.

Cantor is the Republican party's token Jew.

It's only fitting that he's the guy they send out on a search for the GOP's token gay.

They can both stand at the back of the big tent and congratulate each other on their successes.

(just a little further to the back...lil' further.....a few more steps back.....keep going.......)

Cletus C.: Why not? The Democratic Party once supported slavery. I'm not holding them to that position.

You are right about that but that leap took awhile. If the GOP would unload their religious right wing baggage, it would help.

Ned Stark: The gay community is pretty conservative politically.

The gay and lesbian folk I have known have all been staunch advocates of pubic education (including the arts), universal access to health care (including health care for the bits between people's legs), anti-discrimination laws (duh!), and the separation of church and state (again, duh!). That doesn't leave very much for them to agree with political conservatives about.

pciszek: Ned Stark: The gay community is pretty conservative politically.

The gay and lesbian folk I have known have all been staunch advocates of pubic education (including the arts), universal access to health care (including health care for the bits between people's legs), anti-discrimination laws (duh!), and the separation of church and state (again, duh!). That doesn't leave very much for them to agree with political conservatives about.

Freudian slip?

Pubic education? That's worser.

Cletus C.: coeyagi: Cletus C.: coeyagi: Aarontology: Cletus C.: Obama was willing to see the light and change his position.

If Cantor is sincere about doing the same thing, good on him.

The thing is, he's not really changing his position. He's just saying they should stop focusing on it because it hurts them politically now.

It's more like the old Jackie Martling joke "I don't care what a homo puts in his ass... and obviously, neither does he."

Apathy and political expedience does not equal changed position.

So, he's been preaching tolerance all along? His record doesn't reflect that.

I am not sure how you could draw that conclusion from my statement unless you were huffing VCR Cleaning Fluid off of a jizz rag. I am saying "NO", Cantor was never tolerant.

That would be how. What's a VCR?

Was unaware that my name was Aarontology.

A VCR is a device that requires cleaning using chemicals also commonly huffed by individuals such as yourself.

//No, don't thank me, THANK YOU!

coeyagi: Cletus C.: coeyagi: Cletus C.: coeyagi: Aarontology: Cletus C.: Obama was willing to see the light and change his position.

If Cantor is sincere about doing the same thing, good on him.

The thing is, he's not really changing his position. He's just saying they should stop focusing on it because it hurts them politically now.

It's more like the old Jackie Martling joke "I don't care what a homo puts in his ass... and obviously, neither does he."

Apathy and political expedience does not equal changed position.

So, he's been preaching tolerance all along? His record doesn't reflect that.

I am not sure how you could draw that conclusion from my statement unless you were huffing VCR Cleaning Fluid off of a jizz rag. I am saying "NO", Cantor was never tolerant.

That would be how. What's a VCR?

Was unaware that my name was Aarontology.

A VCR is a device that requires cleaning using chemicals also commonly huffed by individuals such as yourself.

//No, don't thank me, THANK YOU!

My apologies.

I'll try the VCR chemicals thing. As it is, huffing the jizz rag isn't doing anything for me.

So now Cantor's comment totally negates the GOP's history of denying equal treatment and rights of gays and lesbians? The GOP will now stop passing laws solely aimed at punishing said group? The GOP will stop claiming these denials are based on hatred and superstition in the name of 'religious freedom' ? Well alrighty then....



So let it be written. So let it be done.

skullkrusher: mahuika: skullkrusher: Hamptons != Fire Island, subby

But Ina Garten has led me to believe it's where the gay men who wear cashmere and eat lamb burgers hang out.

ooh, I like both of those things. Maybe Contessa is onto something

Gay men and cashmere?

Aarontology: In the Northern Virginia and state's southeastern region, "its all about defense. It is all about the jobs that are created by defense spending. And this looming sequester that the president just seems to want to ignore will cause massive layoffs," Cantor said.

The one you helped negotiate you disingenuous douchebag?

More importantly, Eric Cantor just said that government spending creates jobs.

Does anyone else think that Cantor has an unbearably smug face that just yearns to be punched as hard as possible? Surely I am not the only one.

Mr. Cantor, is the GOP still heavily pro-rape?

Gergesa: Does anyone else think that Cantor has an unbearably smug face that just yearns to be punched as hard as possible?

Only when he's speaking.
But he's no Hannity.

Aarontology: In the Northern Virginia and state's southeastern region, "its all about defense. It is all about the jobs that are created by defense spending. And this looming sequester that the president just seems to want to ignore will cause massive layoffs," Cantor said.

The one you helped negotiate you disingenuous douchebag?

Northern Virginia and Hampton Roads are full of Democrats so I doubt Cantor cares much for them at all.

I have this musician friend in Richmond that told me one of his gay friends has had an affair with Cantor. He said it's not a big ideal in Virgina but is a pretty well known thing. It would kill him nationally though.