I really hope that Romney takes this particular attack/lie into the debates with him.

I don't know about you, but the day where corporations take over everything including law enforcement, transport, sanitation, health, etc is the day I don't want to live.

Corporations exist to make a profit for their executives and shareholders. That's it.

Do I think making televisions or cosmetic surgery should be the province of the government? Of course not, that's every bit as stupid as people who think corporations should be in charge of fighting fires or national security.

Happy medium, people, society isn't black and white where all we have is socialism or capitalism.

Bristol Palin, a person who the only reason anyone knows anything about is because of who her mother is, is going to lecture us all on how hard work begets success?

She has literally "built" nothing in her entire life and owes everything she has to the efforts of others.

I just want to go on record as saying that I absolutely love the fact that an unwed, single teen mom who "took a few business classes at community college" has been using her blog to lecture an accomplished constitutional law scholar, civil rights attorney and sitting president on moral, family and economic issues.

This is why the rest of the world thinks Americans are so stupid.

Listen, this girl has great advice on how you should model your economic and moral policies. She can't prevent a guy from ejaculating inside of her with widely available and encouraged (by the government, hisss) birth control, but you should totally listen to and follow what she says about everything because she believes in jesusguy.

/Now I'm not saying she's dumb; but holy fark is she dumb.
//also can't dance

The Homer Tax: She has literally "built" nothing in her entire life and owes everything she has to the efforts of others.

Um, did the government tell Levi Johnston, "It's OK, baby, I think I took my pill today?"

Republicans have really latched on to this out of context soundbite, haven't they? I'm sure it's not a sign of desperation or anything.

You didn't build this...

Lost Thought 00: I really hope that Romney takes this particular attack/lie into the debates with him.

Remember when Romney was so concerned with accuracy in political rhetoric a couple weeks ago.

Lor M. Ipsum: You were able to build it because the government provided the infrastructure and taught you and your employees how to read, write, and do arithmetic.

Done in one.

I'm guessing there isn't even a hint of irony that they are on public roads, with public water, getting public fire safety, and well regulated insurance should something bad happen to their business.

Oh for farks sake............

THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID, DAMMIT! HOW FARKING STUPID ARE YOU?

what_now: I just want to point out that whatever company you BUILD, you did so knowing that Visigoths and Picts couldn't come and take it. You did not need to build a moat around your company. You did not need to hire German mercenaries. You did not need to build a castle.


"Hey, Doug, Look! It's a hand-built American small business! You go for the register, I'll grab the tax-deductible infrastructure improvements!"

mitchcumstein1: "Since the President doesn't understand how our economy works, let's take a moment to explain how small businesses are created," Palin wrote on her blog.


The sheer volume of what President Obama understands as compared to Bristol Palin would just about fill the Grand farking Canyon.

Lor M. Ipsum: You were able to build it because the government provided the infrastructure and taught you and your employees how to read, write, and do arithmetic.

The rare, "Done in two," double play.

mainstreet62: Oh for farks sake............

THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID, DAMMIT! HOW FARKING STUPID ARE YOU?

hehe, well it *is* what he said... just not what he meant :)

Did any of them build roads or bridges? Because that was what Obama was talking about, if you actually listen to the audio.

/Wonder if government contractors count as "business owners" in Real America^TM

There was not one business in that video that did not rely on some from of service that the government puts out there. Trucking, heavy equipment, tire services, etc, etc. If Meals on Wheels take a sammich to a starving poor, that's socialism. If Big Mac's trucking service carries a load from Texas to California, he did that!!!!

skullkrusher: hehe, well it *is* what he said

you aren't serious

skullkrusher: mainstreet62: Oh for farks sake............

THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID, DAMMIT! HOW FARKING STUPID ARE YOU?

hehe, well it *is* what he said... just not what he meant :)

Whatever, you knew what I meant. :-P

It is NOT what he meant.

skullkrusher: mainstreet62: Oh for farks sake............

THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID, DAMMIT! HOW FARKING STUPID ARE YOU?

hehe, well it *is* what he said... just not what he meant :)

No it's literally not what he said. His actual quotation is different than what right wing sources "quoted."

mainstreet62: Oh for farks sake............

THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID, DAMMIT! HOW FARKING STUPID ARE YOU?

If tits were brains she'd be pretty darn smart.

/and Hooters would have invented warp drive by now.

You know Alaska would still be a Russian Territory if it wasn't for a big unpopular government expenditure.

mainstreet62: skullkrusher: mainstreet62: Oh for farks sake............

THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID, DAMMIT! HOW FARKING STUPID ARE YOU?

hehe, well it *is* what he said... just not what he meant :)

Whatever, you knew what I meant. :-P

It is NOT what he meant.

hehe, I knew what both you and he meant. I was just making un chiste

All2morrowsparTs: You know Alaska would still be a Russian Territory if it wasn't for a big unpopular government expenditure.

Not likely. Russia was in pretty rough shape when they sold Alaska. If we hadn't bought it, the UK would've and Alaska would be part of Canada today.

meat0918: I'm guessing there isn't even a hint of irony that they are on public roads, with public water, getting public fire safety, and well regulated insurance should something bad happen to their business.

They are broadcasting it on *the internet*.

You can be assured that even the slightest bit of irony is lost on these people.

what_now: Ok, I'm not going to watch that, but it looks like it starts with someone who built an excavating company.

There is a picture of a large truck.

Now, I wonder how he got that truck from one location to another?

REARDEN STEEL!

The Homer Tax: She has literally "built" nothing in her entire life and owes everything she has to the efforts of others.


"B-b-b-b-but I built this!"


"And my ghost writer was not paid for by the government!"

joshiz: It would be awesome if whoever keeps submitting these "you didn't build that" links actually read the original context.

Link

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verbaltoxin: skullkrusher: mainstreet62: Oh for farks sake............

THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID, DAMMIT! HOW FARKING STUPID ARE YOU?

hehe, well it *is* what he said... just not what he meant :)

No it's literally not what he said. His actual quotation is different than what right wing sources "quoted."

" If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

that's what he said

skullkrusher: mainstreet62: Oh for farks sake............

THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID, DAMMIT! HOW FARKING STUPID ARE YOU?

hehe, well it *is* what he said... just not what he meant :)

It's a deceptively small part of what he said.

"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn't -- look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the G.I. Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That's how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together."

So is there any room to acknowledge that even though everyone has the advantages of government, not everyone is successful?

Maybe, just maybe now, there might be some sort of personal responsibility, work effort, and ability involved in creating a successful business. Is it really so hard to understand and acknowledge that both government and personal effort and sacrifice contribute to success?

/I guess so...one side seems to think government has nothing to do with success
//the other seems to think we aren't grateful enough for the right to drive on roads and attend schools we paid for

All with no infrastructure, subsidies, customers with subsidized income, or employees with no public education?

lacrossestar83: joshiz: It would be awesome if whoever keeps submitting these "you didn't build that" links actually read the original context.

Link

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Jackson Herring: skullkrusher: hehe, well it *is* what he said

you aren't serious



fat dog serious

DarwiOdrade: It's a deceptively small part of what he said.

thatsthejoke.jpg

Oh yah, and bristol, how is it that we are able to see your blog in the first place? Did you build DARPA too?

skullkrusher: Jackson Herring: skullkrusher: hehe, well it *is* what he said

you aren't serious

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fat dog serious

cool another thread where we debate objective reality

verbaltoxin: All2morrowsparTs: You know Alaska would still be a Russian Territory if it wasn't for a big unpopular government expenditure.

Not likely. Russia was in pretty rough shape when they sold Alaska. If we hadn't bought it, the UK would've and Alaska would be part of Canada today.

And then they'd be in a socialist state!

Well, more socialist, anyway.

The fact that so many people think that they and their businesses can exist outside of any kind of society amazes me.

verbaltoxin: All2morrowsparTs: You know Alaska would still be a Russian Territory if it wasn't for a big unpopular government expenditure.

Not likely. Russia was in pretty rough shape when they sold Alaska. If we hadn't bought it, the UK would've and Alaska would be part of Canada today.

So Sarah Palin would be Prime Minster?

Now we have links about what Bristol Palin thinks...

Thanks McCain, old douche.

Jackson Herring: skullkrusher: Jackson Herring: skullkrusher: hehe, well it *is* what he said

you aren't serious

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fat dog serious

cool another thread where we debate objective reality

who's debating objective reality? You know what he said. I know what he said. Presumably we both know that he phrased it poorly but we both know what he meant in context

verbaltoxin: All2morrowsparTs: You know Alaska would still be a Russian Territory if it wasn't for a big unpopular government expenditure.

Not likely. Russia was in pretty rough shape when they sold Alaska. If we hadn't bought it, the UK would've and Alaska would be part of Canada today.

Even worse! Theywould have had to live through the scurge of universal healthcare.

what_now: I just want to point out that whatever company you BUILD, you did so knowing that Visigoths and Picts couldn't come and take it. You did not need to build a moat around your company. You did not need to hire German mercenaries. You did not need to build a castle.

The United States Government has kept your investment save from foreign invasion for 200 years.

Sorry no, that's the Atlantic Ocean.

//I'm just being difficult, sorry.

"You Olympians, however, know you didn't get here solely on your own power. For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We've already cheered the Olympians, let's also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right!"

-- a rugged individual running for president who inherited his wealth with nobody's help

MindStalker: what_now: I just want to point out that whatever company you BUILD, you did so knowing that Visigoths and Picts couldn't come and take it. You did not need to build a moat around your company. You did not need to hire German mercenaries. You did not need to build a castle.

The United States Government has kept your investment save from foreign invasion for 200 years.

Sorry no, that's the Atlantic Ocean.

//I'm just being difficult, sorry.

Link

js34603: //the other seems to think we aren't grateful enough for the right to drive on roads and attend schools we paid for

I gotta take issue with that - The Dems are trying to point out to the anti-tax crusaders that people really do get good things from their government when they pay in taxes, and if they stop paying taxes, those things go away. Republicans used to understand this - look at Eisenhower and all he accomplished post WWII, once the Greatest Generation had their government-paid college education and government-paid health care.

Modern Democrats aren't arguing necessarily for more government spending (though IMHO, they should be) - they're trying to keep the TeaTards from taking what we have away.

She comes in colors everywhere: The fact that so many people think that they and their businesses can exist amazes me.

Can you believe what this guy just said? He thinks your business shouldn't even exist. Whereas I acknowledge that your success is a result of both your own hard work and also the protections and benefits afforded to you by society. -Mort Roomney

She comes in colors everywhere: The fact that so many people think that they and their businesses can exist outside of any kind of society amazes me.

No the problem is that they think govt only gets in the way of "society" and the free market would do all those things without the govt.

We built this city.