Fish fraud?

Fish fraud?

Roly poly fish fraud?

Lemme sum up for people who won't read the article. Two main points:

1: Never order the "white tuna". They will give you escolar. Escolar will give you the runs.

2: Don't bother trying to order Red Snapper either. They will give you whitefish and charge you for red snapper.

Roly poly fish frauds are never seen drinking cappuccino in Italian restaurants with Oriental women.

Asa Phelps: Lemme sum up for people who won't read the article. Two main points:

1: Never order the "white tuna". They will give you escolar. Escolar will give you the runs.

2: Don't bother trying to order Red Snapper either. They will give you whitefish and charge you for red snapper.

Red Snapper?



Very Tasty.

I like my tentacle pr0n nice and fresh so I can savor the sweet smell of shame.

If you live in FL and you have to get your fish at a store or restaurant, you're doing something wrong.

Don't eat coelacanth. It's a laxative.

FirstNationalBastard: Fish fraud?

Fish fraud?

Roly poly fish fraud?

Well, this thread was over before it began.

/someone hit the lights
//eat them up, yum.

So, as someone who doesn't eat much fish, couldn't an educated consumer bust a shop as soon as the wrong fish came to the table? Or do expensive fish taste the same as cheap fish, much like putting a $50 label on a $15 bottle of wine or $125 label on a $10 Monster Cable.

/Value attribution
//Gouging the well off since trade was invented.

If you enjoy seafood, book mark this link.

wildcardjack: So, as someone who doesn't eat much fish, couldn't an educated consumer bust a shop as soon as the wrong fish came to the table? Or do expensive fish taste the same as cheap fish, much like putting a $50 label on a $15 bottle of wine or $125 label on a $10 Monster Cable.

/Value attribution
//Gouging the well off since trade was invented.

People are dumbasses, and just have to have to Orange roughy or Chilean sea Bass.

Floridians?

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If you live in FL and you have to get your fish at a store or restaurant, you're doing something wrong.

What about skrimps?

fragMasterFlash: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If you live in FL and you have to get your fish at a store or restaurant, you're doing something wrong.

What about skrimps?

Skrimps are how you catch the fish!

I'm mainly kidding though, I live in FL and buy seafood all the time.

This is a job for...

muck4doo: wildcardjack: So, as someone who doesn't eat much fish, couldn't an educated consumer bust a shop as soon as the wrong fish came to the table? Or do expensive fish taste the same as cheap fish, much like putting a $50 label on a $15 bottle of wine or $125 label on a $10 Monster Cable.

/Value attribution
//Gouging the well off since trade was invented.

People are dumbasses, and just have to have to Orange roughy or Chilean sea Bass.

Are you comparing the fraud described in the article to the renaming of hagfish to the cooler sounding Chilean sea bass? One is a marketing gimmick and one is fraud. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think they are two different situations.

I've had some damn tasty hagfish. I don't know jack about roughy though.

knbwhite: muck4doo: wildcardjack: So, as someone who doesn't eat much fish, couldn't an educated consumer bust a shop as soon as the wrong fish came to the table? Or do expensive fish taste the same as cheap fish, much like putting a $50 label on a $15 bottle of wine or $125 label on a $10 Monster Cable.

/Value attribution
//Gouging the well off since trade was invented.

People are dumbasses, and just have to have to Orange roughy or Chilean sea Bass.

Are you comparing the fraud described in the article to the renaming of hagfish to the cooler sounding Chilean sea bass? One is a marketing gimmick and one is fraud. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think they are two different situations.

I've had some damn tasty hagfish. I don't know jack about roughy though.

Um, Chilean Sea Bass are Patagonian toothfish.

Hagfish are corpse-eating eel-esque monstrosities that turn water into mucus.

muck4doo: wildcardjack: So, as someone who doesn't eat much fish, couldn't an educated consumer bust a shop as soon as the wrong fish came to the table? Or do expensive fish taste the same as cheap fish, much like putting a $50 label on a $15 bottle of wine or $125 label on a $10 Monster Cable.

/Value attribution
//Gouging the well off since trade was invented.

People are dumbasses, and just have to have to Orange roughy or Chilean sea Bass.

Yeah. My family eats orange roughy every year for Christmas Eve. I've inherited the task of buying it since I'm the only one who can cook it apparently (*light* breadcrumbs, Parmesan, fresh dill and butter and minds are blown).

Kinda feel guilty for several reasons (overfishing being the top of the list) so I won't get it any other time of year. Polish meatless (fish don't count) Christmas Eve tradition I'm not gonna f--k with, although how we ended up on Orange Roughy is a mystery. Might've been my grandma's best approximation of whatever she got in Poland. But it's been that way as long as I can remember.

But part of the reason I think my relatives are all complimenting me on the fish is.... I buy it from a fish guy who used to work with the SO. The first year I cooked with whatever my mom bought from wherever... it just sucked and I'm fairly certain she got ripped off. Maybe Tilapia, which sites keep saying is a good substitute that I want to like but just can't. The fish guy gives me a 10% discount because I'm buying for an entire family anyway.

Then again, if I covered the whole thing in sauce or completely battered and fried or broiled the hell out of it, no one would notice the difference except probably me as I was in the process of hiding it.

tl;dr

/if you're gonna buy fish, find a fish guy. the kind who won't sell you something if he can't find a decent source for it or if it's not up to his standards. they do still exist.

//if you're gonna buy fish at a restaurant and you really feel like throwing down money for a 'better' kind, overfishing and trendiness be damned - for f--k's sake, get the simplest preparation possible so you can actually taste it.

///it still might not be what you ordered, but if it tastes good, so be it

LordJiro: knbwhite: muck4doo: wildcardjack: So, as someone who doesn't eat much fish, couldn't an educated consumer bust a shop as soon as the wrong fish came to the table? Or do expensive fish taste the same as cheap fish, much like putting a $50 label on a $15 bottle of wine or $125 label on a $10 Monster Cable.

/Value attribution
//Gouging the well off since trade was invented.

People are dumbasses, and just have to have to Orange roughy or Chilean sea Bass.

Are you comparing the fraud described in the article to the renaming of hagfish to the cooler sounding Chilean sea bass? One is a marketing gimmick and one is fraud. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think they are two different situations.

I've had some damn tasty hagfish. I don't know jack about roughy though.

Um, Chilean Sea Bass are Patagonian toothfish.

Hagfish are corpse-eating eel-esque monstrosities that turn water into mucus.

That's the one, thanks. I learned several fish names over the past two or three times these articles showed up.

So am I correct in the assumption that the chilean sea bass renaming is more marketing than fraud?

knbwhite: So am I correct in the assumption that the chilean sea bass renaming is more marketing than fraud?

Initially yes. But the marketing worked so damn well that now it's pricey and scarcer (even with illegal catches abounding) and with pricey fish (especially faddish pricey fish) comes fraud.

knbwhite: So am I correct in the assumption that the chilean sea bass renaming is more marketing than fraud?

Sorry, the renaming itself was marketing. Mental fraud kinda I guess, but rose by any other name doesn't really hold true for fish.

I love the "scallops" they sell all the fat Ohioans: plugs cut from the wings of rays. lol.

StreetlightInTheGhetto: knbwhite: So am I correct in the assumption that the chilean sea bass renaming is more marketing than fraud?

Sorry, the renaming itself was marketing. Mental fraud kinda I guess, but rose by any other name doesn't really hold true for fish.

Depends on the fish, i would still eat patagonian toothfish if it were called argentinian crapweasel stink fish, its definitely in the top 10 things ive ever put in my mouth.

I think appearance has almost as much to do with it as naming. Tuna? Thats a good looking fish.




Chilean Sea Bass otoh are not a pretty fish, and for that reason used to be considered bycatch.




Same with Monkfish.



Ugly suckers, but sooooo good.

OK, it's slow... I'll do it...

Wet Dreams
by Kip Addotta


Lyrics:

It was April the forty-first
Being a quadruple leap year
I was driving in downtown Atlantis
My barracuda was in the shop
So I was in a rented stingray
And it was overheating

So I pulled into a Shell Station
They said I'd blown a seal
I said, "Fix the damn thing
And leave my private life out of it
Okay pal?"

While they were doing that
I walked over to a place called the Oyster Bar, a real dive
But I knew the owner
He used to play for the Dolphins
I said "Hi Gil"
You have to yell, he's hard of herring

Think I had a wet dream
Cruisin' thru the Gulf Stream
Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh
Wet dream

Gil was also down on his luck
Fact is he was barely keeping his head below water
I bellied up to the sandbar
He poured me the usual

Rusty snail, hold the grunion
Shaken not stirred
With a peanut butter and jellyfish sandwich on the side
Heavy on the mako

I slipped him a fin
On porpoise
I was feeling good
I even dropped a sand dollar in the box for Jerry's squids
For the halibut

Well the place was crowded
We were packed in like sardines They were all there to listen to the big band sounds of Tommy Dorsal
What sole

Tommy was rockin' the place with a very popular tuna
Salmon Chanted Evening
And the stage was surrounded by screaming groupers
Probably there to see the bass player

One of them was this cute little yellowtail
And she's giving me the eye
So I figured this is my chance for a little fun
You know, piece of Pisces

But she said things I just couldn't fathom
She was too deep, seemed to be under a lot of pressure
Boy, could she drink
She drank like a . . .
She drank a lot

I said "What's your sign"
She said "Aquarium"
I said "Great, let's get tanked"

Think I had a wet dream
Cruisin' thru the Gulf Stream
Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh
Wet dream

I invited her to my place for a midnight bait
I said "Come on baby, it'll only take a few minnows"
She threw me that same old line
"Not tonight, I gotta haddock"

And she wasn't kidding either
Cause in came the biggest, meanest looking haddock
I'd ever seen come down the pike
He was covered with mussels

He came over to me and said
"Listen, shrimp, don't you come trollin' around here"
What a crab
This guy was steamed
I could see the anchor in his eyes

I turned to him, I said
"A-balone, you're just being shellfish"
Well, I knew it was going to be trouble and so did Gil
'Cause he was already on the phone to the cods

The haddock hits me with a sucker punch
I catch him with a left hook
He eels over
It was a fluke but there he was
Lying on the deck, flat as a mackerel
Kelpless

I said "Forget the cods Gil
This guy's gonna need a sturgeon"
Well, the yellowtail was impressed with the way I landed her boyfriend
She came over to me, she said
"Hey, big boy, you're really a game fish
What's your name"
I said "Marlin"

Think I had a wet dream
Cruisin' thru the Gulf Stream
Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh
Wet dream

Well, from then on we had a whale of a time
I took her to dinner, I took her to dance
I bought her a bouquet of flounders
And then I went home with her
And what did I get for my trouble
A case of the clams

Think I had a wet dream
Cruisin' thru the Gulf Stream
Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh

Wet dream
Cruisin' thru the Gulf Stream
Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh

Wet dream
Cruisin' thru the Gulf Stream
Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh

What about rabbit fish, it got fins.

Psst, over here,buddy. Yeah you. You can trust me. I'm a fish, ain't I? I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. The traffic at Florida vacation destinations is light and easy to manage. The lines at Disney World move REALLY fast and it never gets hot or humid here in the summer. The beaches are beautiful and the condominium owners are always happy to share their access to vacationers. Sure, they want you to believe the state is filled with grouchy retirees and redneck wackos; but you can't throw a bag of Skittles without hitting a friendly face. Habla Espanol? No worries, everybody is 'WELCOME' here. We're not just looking to fleece you and take your money, honest. So the next time you're feeling like nobody cares. Come to Florida and let us prove it!

anybody ever tried Cobia? this seems as good a place as any to ask.

I used to work with it in college a bit, but never tasted it. any good?

Captain_Ballbeard: I love the "scallops" they sell all the fat Ohioans: plugs cut from the wings of rays. lol.

I tried once to sell the Long John Silver's chain a recipe for mock scallops made from 'ugly fish'. I got nothing out of it, but they tried a few test marketing runs here and there with 'meh' results.

Foodies in an uproar, throw handfuls of LongTrail bottle caps at their former hang-out, the Sushi bar.

So in reality you have restauraunts renaming fish so they appear better
and thennnnn
There's the illiterate chef/cook grabbing the wrong fish from the wrong container

Rick Scott is engaged in fish fraud TOO?

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If you live in FL and you have to get your fish at a store or restaurant, you're doing something wrong.

Do you cut your own hair and make your own clothes, too?

wildcardjack: So, as someone who doesn't eat much fish, couldn't an educated consumer bust a shop as soon as the wrong fish came to the table? Or do expensive fish taste the same as cheap fish, much like putting a $50 label on a $15 bottle of wine or $125 label on a $10 Monster Cable.

/Value attribution
//Gouging the well off since trade was invented.

How are you going to "bust" them? I've been in a steak house and ordered a filet and got a sirloin instead. I pointed out that it was very clearly a sirloin and not a filet so the waiter took it back, said the cook and the manager looked at it, and said it was a filet. So I got a cold piece of chewy sirloin instead of a filet and charged the filet price. What else can you do?

The place also used a butter/oil mix in their shrimp scampi, which was disgusting. Waiter insisted that it was really all butter even when I put a spoonful in ice water and showed him that most of it didn't congeal into butter.

/ csb
// point is, if they're committing fraud, they should go to jail.
/// same with the restaurants selling "Kobe" burgers.

muck4doo: People are dumbasses, and just have to have to Orange roughy or Chilean sea Bass.

It's sad, too, since those two fish are way overfished and very close to extinction (not to mention very, very high in mercury). Albacore ("white tuna") is another fish really high in mercury.

meanmutton: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If you live in FL and you have to get your fish at a store or restaurant, you're doing something wrong.

Do you cut your own hair and make your own clothes, too?

1) Buy $10,000 boat and $3,000 worth of fishing gear
2) Buy $300,000 house on the ocean
3) Put $300 of gas in the boat
4) Go fishing all day
5) Spend 2 hours washing the salt water off your boat
6) Repeat any time you want fish


Cost of fish: $2,000 a pound. and a day of your life

I live in Florida and have 2 boats. By the time I fill up the pickup and boat with gas, fill the cooler with liquid refreshment and ice, a few sandwiches for lunch, stop at a bait shop, I am up over $100.

Or, I could stop at the fish market on the way home from work and pick up a little over 5 pounds of Grouper for the same amount, and not have to fight the brain dead at the boat ramp.

I enjoy fishing, when ever I can get out. But, certainly, catching fish is not "free fish". It would be nice to have condo in Steinhatchee, with a boat already in the water, that's a different story altogether.

thevza, Cobia is delicious, and they're great fun to catch.

/would never mistake tilapia for it

Pick: I live in Florida and have 2 boats. By the time I fill up the pickup and boat with gas, fill the cooler with liquid refreshment and ice, a few sandwiches for lunch, stop at a bait shop, I am up over $100.

Or, I could stop at the fish market on the way home from work and pick up a little over 5 pounds of Grouper for the same amount, and not have to fight the brain dead at the boat ramp.

I enjoy fishing, when ever I can get out. But, certainly, catching fish is not "free fish". It would be nice to have condo in Steinhatchee, with a boat already in the water, that's a different story altogether.

This. I frequent a fishing site and always laugh when people say "What about those guys fishing to provide food for their family?", when fishing is a heck of a lot more expensive than fish itself, when taking into account time, bait and equipment.

Those Bass-tards!

So they are having a problem with transvestites tricking unsuspecting men?

I live in Florida. I never order fish from a restaurant. I have a boat and yes, it costs a shiat ton of money to go fishing when you factor in fuel, bait, beer, food, etc. However, I love fishing, it is a great way to spend time with my kids and teach them how to fish, how to respect nature, how to drive a boat, etc. not to mention the memories we share from the first time we caught a 7' shark, had dophins swim up to the side of the looking for a handout, and so on. The time with the kids and friends is well worth the money and I know that when I cook that fish up, I am eating authentic yummy, delicious grouper.

Had sushi last week (tuna). Caught it myself.
/CSB

LordOfThePings: This is a job for... [www.toonarific.com image 300x201]

I'm afraid this is out of Fish Police jurisdiction, it''s an all-ocean matter now:

Thanks for the crazy pic Dahnkster and phrawg for the Kip Addotta, it brightened my morning :D

I liek fish.

/will not eat teh coelacanth

This happens all the time. Just yesterday I saw a sign in the supermarket advertising "fresh, wild caught Dover Sole (product of the USA)". You'd have thought I whipped my cock out by the way the seafood manager looked at me when I explained exactly what was wrong with that statement.

This is why I don't buy expensive sushi, and I don't cook any fish I didn't catch and cut my dang self.

StreetlightInTheGhetto: knbwhite: So am I correct in the assumption that the chilean sea bass renaming is more marketing than fraud?

Initially yes. But the marketing worked so damn well that now it's pricey and scarcer (even with illegal catches abounding) and with pricey fish (especially faddish pricey fish) comes fraud.

Nailed it.

insertsnarkyusername: This happens all the time. Just yesterday I saw a sign in the supermarket advertising "fresh, wild caught Dover Sole (product of the USA)". You'd have thought I whipped my cock out by the way the seafood manager looked at me when I explained exactly what was wrong with that statement.

I think i wouldve broken my neck doing this in response to seeing that sign.

Cyno01: insertsnarkyusername: This happens all the time. Just yesterday I saw a sign in the supermarket advertising "fresh, wild caught Dover Sole (product of the USA)". You'd have thought I whipped my cock out by the way the seafood manager looked at me when I explained exactly what was wrong with that statement.

I think i wouldve broken my neck doing this in response to seeing that sign.

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The best part was the manager insisting that it was actually Dover sole. Makes me wonder if we shouldn't just be using the scientific names of fish on menus or in markets.

insertsnarkyusername: Cyno01: insertsnarkyusername: This happens all the time. Just yesterday I saw a sign in the supermarket advertising "fresh, wild caught Dover Sole (product of the USA)". You'd have thought I whipped my cock out by the way the seafood manager looked at me when I explained exactly what was wrong with that statement.

I think i wouldve broken my neck doing this in response to seeing that sign.

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The best part was the manager insisting that it was actually Dover sole. Makes me wonder if we shouldn't just be using the scientific names of fish on menus or in markets.

Ugh, we should.

Wiki on Dover Sole:

Other species named "Dover sole"

Because of its prestige, the name "Dover sole" was borrowed to name the eastern Pacific species Microstomus pacificus, a quite distinct species with different culinary properties: the Pacific sole has thinner, less firm fillets and sells for a lower price.

Seriously.