Magorn: cmunic8r99: Since she hasn't tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, perhaps they should be upset.

Perhaps, but considering this girl has shaved 5 seconds off her personal best in 1 YEAR, AND broke the world record by more than 1 second, the first woman to break a world record set with those "special" swinsuits that were used in Beijing let's just say the more likely outcome is the chinese have developed a new undetectable form of doping.

Oh, you mean how Phelps shaved four seconds off of his best time in a year when he was that age?

It's not the record that I was looking at as much as HOW it occured, the last 100m she was FLYING, like not just not fading as much, actually getting stronger, which is just weird in an endurance event.

I like in the article they say no one worries about Bolt, but look at her split times compared to the men. If a chick came out and ran 9.65 in the 100M you bet your ass there would be doping talk.

mikaloyd: Good. Time to dump womens events and just have swimming events. Run with whatever genitalia youve got.

And name the athletes like you do horses. In lane one, we've got "Tantalizingly Robust" facing off with "No Doping", and in the far lane is "Paddle Hands" the returning Gold Medalist from London.

digistil: FWIW, this is an interesting take on the matter: Link

Nice. Good article.

Look, if she pops a positive, we can skin her and eat her later. But saying she cheated because she's Chinese and other Chinese people cheat is horseshiat.

Is this the thread where the same people who accuse Armstrong of doping come to defend this swimmer because she's never tested positive?

Heh.

cmunic8r99: Since she hasn't tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, perhaps they should be upset.

No, her quote was: "My results come from hard work and training and I would never use any banned drugs," she told reporters in London. "The Chinese people have clean hands."



She never said she didn't use drugs. Just that she hasn't used BANNED drugs.

(Bath Salts creators are snickering atm)

mikaloyd: Good. Time to dump womens events and just have swimming events. Run with whatever genitalia youve got.

This would make boxing quite interesting for women's groups.

srhp29: Are there stories in other countries every olympics about how we only win because we cheat too? Anytime China does well, there are stories about how they are probably cheating.

Is it because they're caught cheating like every other Olympics, and keep their athletes in government-run training camps away from their families?

srhp29: Are there stories in other countries every olympics about how we only win because we cheat too? Anytime China does well, there are stories about how they are probably cheating.

again, the reason those stories come up in swimming is because the chinese swimming team has an unpralleled history of cheating. Do you see anyone saying they cheat in diving? because they win all those medals and not a soul ever suggests they cheated. The reason people suspect cheating on the swim team is because since 1990 china has had 40 swimmers (3x more than the next closest country) DQ'd for doping. They've been caught THIS YEAR in june with one of their swimmers doping. If china doesn't want to get suspected of doping everytime one of their swimmers does something unlikely and amazing, perhaps they should stop their swimmers from doping?

skrame: Magorn: cmunic8r99: Since she hasn't tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, perhaps they should be upset.

Perhaps, but considering this girl has shaved 5 seconds off her personal best in 1 YEAR, AND broke the world record by more than 1 second, the first woman to break a world record set with those "special" swinsuits that were used in Beijing let's just say the more likely outcome is the chinese have developed a new undetectable form of doping.

Oh, you mean how Phelps shaved four seconds off of his best time in a year when he was that age?

In a shorter race no less. Dropping 15 seconds in a mile would be easy peasy. Dropping 15 seconds in a 50 would be inconceivable unless you were slow as molasses to begin with.

ME SO ANGLY WITE NOW

Morpheses: Is this the thread where the same people who accuse Armstrong of doping come to defend this swimmer because she's never tested positive?

Heh.

I should find the latest Armstrong/USADA thread and cross-reference it with this thread sometime.

Morpheses: Is this the thread where the same people who accuse Armstrong of doping come to defend this swimmer because she's never tested positive?

Heh.

No. This is the thread where people who defend Armstrong do exactly the opposite to the Chinese girl.

srhp29: Are there stories in other countries every olympics about how we only win because we cheat too? Anytime China does well, there are stories about how they are probably cheating.

Depends on the event. The world looks sideways at our track stars because we've had our issues.


Track record has a lot to do with perception (see what I did?)

JohnBigBootay: Morpheses: Is this the thread where the same people who accuse Armstrong of doping come to defend this swimmer because she's never tested positive?

Heh.

No. This is the thread where people who defend Armstrong do exactly the opposite to the Chinese girl.

She does have more genitalia. More of a man is what I'm trying to say.

it works for americans, so why not the chinese?

TrainingWheelsNeeded: Phelps shaved 3-4 seconds off his best times during those same ages. I'm just saying.

Yes, but Phelps is on record saying how much he loves the dope.

tlchwi02: srhp29: Are there stories in other countries every olympics about how we only win because we cheat too? Anytime China does well, there are stories about how they are probably cheating.

again, the reason those stories come up in swimming is because the chinese swimming team has an unpralleled history of cheating. Do you see anyone saying they cheat in diving? because they win all those medals and not a soul ever suggests they cheated. The reason people suspect cheating on the swim team is because since 1990 china has had 40 swimmers (3x more than the next closest country) DQ'd for doping. They've been caught THIS YEAR in june with one of their swimmers doping. If china doesn't want to get suspected of doping everytime one of their swimmers does something unlikely and amazing, perhaps they should stop their swimmers from doping?

It's not doping, it's mystical turtles blood and ginseng root. Or whatever the fark they once claimed.

Serious Black: Morpheses: Is this the thread where the same people who accuse Armstrong of doping come to defend this swimmer because she's never tested positive?

Heh.

I should find the latest Armstrong/USADA thread and cross-reference it with this thread sometime.

Yep. Lance just trains hard and he's a genetic freak. Half his domestiques have tested positive but he was clean the entire time.

Soooo. Is passing drug tests proof of being clean or is it not proof of being clean?

/awaits equivocation

Flappyhead: It's not doping, it's mystical turtles blood and ginseng root. Or whatever the fark they once claimed.

wasn't it a magical worm?

If she was American, NBC would have aired a fawning hour long documentary on what she ate for breakfast already and everyone would be trumpeting our swimming program's dominance.

From Tennis Has a Steroid Problem:

Chinese Olympian Ye Shiwen is generating headlines galore. Many of them speculate about whether or not doping has anything to do with her success in the pool. Is she doping? I don't know. Do her exploits give reason for skepticism? Yes, that's where we are in sports. There's no denying that sports have given the public more than enough reasons to doubt "exceptional" feats of athleticism.
However, let's ask some questions:

Has Ye Shiwen ever locked herself in a panic room when doping control officers came to collect an out of competition sample (e.g. Serena Williams)?

Has Shiwen gone more than two years without an out-of-competition doping test (e.g., Serena Williams)?

Has Shiwen been treated by Dr. Luis Garcia del Moral, who was banned for life by the USADA for anti-doping violations (e.g., Sara Errani)?

Has Shiwen complained about doping controls on multiple occasions (e.g., Andy Murray & Rafael Nadal)

Has Shiwen ever tested positive for a banned substance and then lied to officials to escape punishment (e.g., Andre Agassi)?

Haw Shiwen claimed that switching to a gluten-free diet is behind her success (e.g., Novak Djokovic)?

As far as I know, the answers to these questions are "No." So, maybe athletes in other sports need to be put under some heavy scrutiny, and not just Shiwen.

HotWingConspiracy: If she was American, NBC would have aired a fawning hour long documentary on what she ate for breakfast already and everyone would be trumpeting our swimming program's dominance.

Ryan Seacrest would be reading her tweets.

/sounds dirty

HotWingConspiracy: If she was American, NBC would have aired a fawning hour long documentary on what she ate for breakfast already and everyone would be trumpeting our swimming program's dominance.

This

I think it's pretty damn funny that the Chinese (as well as S. Korea and Indonesia) badminton team got DQ'ed.

drjekel_mrhyde: HotWingConspiracy: If she was American, NBC would have aired a fawning hour long documentary on what she ate for breakfast already and everyone would be trumpeting our swimming program's dominance.

This

That.

And I already know about her 12,000 calorie breakfast.

JohnBigBootay: Serious Black: scottydoesntknow: Yukon Cornelius: I swam in high school. At 14, my best time in the 50 free was 45 seconds. At 15, I got it down to 38 seconds. Lots of changes going on in your teen years. Of course, I went from about 5'6" to 5'11" in that year.

The difference is those 5 seconds she shaved off made it a world record. Yes, everyone shaves off time as they grow and train, but when yoou shave off 5 seconds in one year, and that qualifies it for a world record, that is insane. Not impossible, but freakin insane.

At the 2002 Pan Pacific Games, Michael Phelps went 1:59.70 in the 200 IM to win the race. Less than a year later, he had broken the world record in that race four times and lowered it to 1:55.94.

He doesn't want to hear that. Someone posted a list of Intl level 4 second improvements in the last 4 years the other day. People say it doesn't happen -they are simply incorrect.

Basically it is just the pre-emptive excuse for the USA not coming top of the medal table again, get in the unproven accusations of cheating at the opposition as soon and as often as possible, just like Birthers or Truthers or Moon landing nuts there no need to prove anything, just repeat "suspicious facts" and conjecture often enough and plenty of people will go along with it where it fits their world view.

/this is not to say I know anything about whether the Chinese Olympic team is clean, but if the losers are going to make unfounded and unproven accusations then just stop turning up and competing, because it makes the entire thing pointless.

Only a portion of her time was faster than Lochte's. She didn't sustain that pace throughout the race -- her total time was 23 seconds behind Lochte's 4:05.18.

Can we at least all agree that advertisers, television execs and brain dead on air "talent" are trying to hard to make Lochte happen. The guy has all the personality of Phelps with significantly less ability. Stop trying to make Lochte happen!

TheJoe03: I think it's pretty damn funny that the Chinese (as well as S. Korea and Indonesia) badminton team got DQ'ed.

That whole thing is stupid. Meanwhile the prelim swimming/track heats will feature athletes who routinely post times a full second slower than their best. Why they ought to disqualify the lot of them for not trying their hardest. I know, it's different. Wait, how is that different?

JohnBigBootay: Why they ought to disqualify the lot of them for not trying their hardest. I know, it's different. Wait, how is that different?

According to the badminton nerds, it was way too blatant and no one ever did that before in their sport. If you tank games, in any sport, the key is to not make it too obvious.

JohnBigBootay: Serious Black: Morpheses: Is this the thread where the same people who accuse Armstrong of doping come to defend this swimmer because she's never tested positive?

Heh.

I should find the latest Armstrong/USADA thread and cross-reference it with this thread sometime.

Yep. Lance just trains hard and he's a genetic freak. Half his domestiques have tested positive but he was clean the entire time.

Soooo. Is passing drug tests proof of being clean or is it not proof of being clean?

/awaits equivocation

Personally, I think they all dope. If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'.

JohnBigBootay: drjekel_mrhyde: HotWingConspiracy: If she was American, NBC would have aired a fawning hour long documentary on what she ate for breakfast already and everyone would be trumpeting our swimming program's dominance.

This

That.

And I already know about her 12,000 calorie breakfast.

I forget ... was it the US swimming coach that got caught with 13 viles of HGH in the sydney airport a decade ago? Oh wait that was the Chinese coach. Yeah, but there's no reason to suspect the most notorious cheating program in recent history or anything. We're just jealous, that's it.

The fact is, China has earned its reputation as cheaters, and it's been proven over and over.

xria: Basically it is just the pre-emptive excuse for the USA not coming top of the medal table again

Maybe, but this is something that should perhaps be looked into. Some kid coming out of no where and smashing a record using speed they've never shown before. At the same time, they should have quietly talked to the Olympic people about it, not blast the girl (who may be the best female swimmer if she's not a cheater) in the media and start a mini beef with China.

JohnBigBootay: TheJoe03: I think it's pretty damn funny that the Chinese (as well as S. Korea and Indonesia) badminton team got DQ'ed.

That whole thing is stupid. Meanwhile the prelim swimming/track heats will feature athletes who routinely post times a full second slower than their best. Why they ought to disqualify the lot of them for not trying their hardest. I know, it's different. Wait, how is that different?

I would say the difference is those people aren't trying to lose the prelims on purpose.

I think it's pretty naive not to presume that anyone who is performing around mankind's collective best in a sport hasn't used performance enhancing drugs at some point.

/rarely disapointed.

TrainingWheelsNeeded: Can we at least all agree that advertisers, television execs and brain dead on air "talent" are trying to hard to make Lochte happen. The guy has all the personality of Phelps with significantly less ability. Stop trying to make Lochte happen!

Hey, Lochte is 100x better looking than Phelps, so they can put his face on tv whenever they want.

You know what I want? I want an Olympics where all the athletes are allowed to use any sort of performance-enhancing techniques they can. Biomechanical augmentation, blood doping, surgical procedures, HGH, steroids, you name it.

We've see what humans at the peak of their unaltered condition can do. I want to see what humans in all their augmented glory can do.

Yeah, like China would ever cheat to get ahead in the Olympics...

JohnBigBootay: TheJoe03: I think it's pretty damn funny that the Chinese (as well as S. Korea and Indonesia) badminton team got DQ'ed.

That whole thing is stupid. Meanwhile the prelim swimming/track heats will feature athletes who routinely post times a full second slower than their best. Why they ought to disqualify the lot of them for not trying their hardest. I know, it's different. Wait, how is that different?

Do the finals get any easier if you ease up in a prelim? No. From what I've read, though, the badminton teams were throwing their games so they'd have an easier time in the medal round (by avoiding tougher teams or something). I view that as a significantly worse offense. Not sure they should've been tossed, though...

D_Moran: Only a portion of her time was faster than Lochte's. She didn't sustain that pace throughout the race -- her total time was 23 seconds behind Lochte's 4:05.18.

This. She paced herself more than Lochte throughout the event and was able to swim faster than him in the final split. He beat her in every other split and like you said, swam the whole thing 23 seconds faster.

RexTalionis: You know what I want? I want an Olympics where all the athletes are allowed to use any sort of performance-enhancing techniques they can. Biomechanical augmentation, blood doping, surgical procedures, HGH, steroids, you name it.

We've see what humans at the peak of their unaltered condition can do. I want to see what humans in all their augmented glory can do.

Isn't that an SNL sketch where Dana Carvey's arms are ripped off doing weightlifting?

RexTalionis: You know what I want? I want an Olympics where all the athletes are allowed to use any sort of performance-enhancing techniques they can. Biomechanical augmentation, blood doping, surgical procedures, HGH, steroids, you name it.

We've see what humans at the peak of their unaltered condition can do. I want to see what humans in all their augmented glory can do.

lol, I agree. That would be entertaining. Strange like a freak show though.

Vodka Zombie: Guilty until proven innocent IS the whiny-American way.

Where is it that the Americans are whining or even protesting?

I see a Reuters article about it. In that article they quote a British newspaper. They also point to a BBC commentator who's "just asking questions" apparently.

The US Women's coach is quoted as defending her.

This is no was a country that put GHB in children's toys would dope a child athlete...NEVER. What's next - lead in and various chemicals in random exported products?

I would imagine the majority of them are doping. Some are just better at getting away with it.

xria: /this is not to say I know anything about whether the Chinese Olympic team is clean, but if the losers are going to make unfounded and unproven accusations then just stop turning up and competing, because it makes the entire thing pointless.

They undoubtedly have some dirty athletes as do 'we'. For me it's just about the instant reaction - our exceptional times are because of big hands and huge breakfasts, their are obviously because of steroids. I'd rather focus on the amazing performance secure in the knowledge that each and every medal winner gets tested. So she's either gonna test positive and be stripped. Or she's clean. Or she's taking something undetectable which means we won't find out and she must be considered clean because what the fark else you gonna do?

RexTalionis: We've see what humans at the peak of their unaltered condition can do. I want to see what humans in all their augmented glory can do.

isn't that basically american football? they barely even pretend they test

In the US some athletes get caught doping - and we are ashamed (as a group).

In China it's a government run athlete factory - it's not just individuals being unscrupulous.
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spiderpaz: RexTalionis: You know what I want? I want an Olympics where all the athletes are allowed to use any sort of performance-enhancing techniques they can. Biomechanical augmentation, blood doping, surgical procedures, HGH, steroids, you name it.

We've see what humans at the peak of their unaltered condition can do. I want to see what humans in all their augmented glory can do.

lol, I agree. That would be entertaining. Strange like a freak show though.

An all-drugs Olympics!



/miss that funny man