Thank you, Indians, for once again forcing me to start looking towards Browns season in f*cking July.

Big deal. As a Giants fan, I have no sympathy, given that our "ace" is a back-to-back Cy Young Award winner who, after finally winning last night, now has a 5-11 record and has lowered his ERA to a 5.62 (now third-worst ERA in the NL, as compared to dead last in ERA that as he's been most of the season).

Told you so.

Signed,

Braves fans.

Nabb1: Told you so.

Signed,

Braves fans.

Co-signed Dodgers fans

Also, Co-co-signed Red Sox fans (I assume)

At least Matt Kemp will still be the NL MVP.

Cyberluddite: Big deal. As a Giants fan, I have no sympathy, given that our "ace" is a back-to-back Cy Young Award winner who, after finally winning last night, now has a 5-11 record and has lowered his ERA to a 5.62 (now third-worst ERA in the NL, as compared to dead last in ERA that as he's been most of the season).

Hey, just think, if you can avoid letting Barry Zito throw 200 innings next year...you only owe him another 27 million dollars

Cyberluddite: Big deal. As a Giants fan, I have no sympathy, given that our "ace" is a back-to-back Cy Young Award winner who, after finally winning last night, now has a 5-11 record and has lowered his ERA to a 5.62 (now third-worst ERA in the NL, as compared to dead last in ERA that as he's been most of the season).

There was a big "wtf is with Tim Lincecum" discussion here a month ago, that brought in all sorts of sabermetrics, pitchfx, and other advanced tools. Everyone more or less agreed that he's been unlucky since his stuff was still as good as it ever was.

After watching last night's game, there's a pretty simple conclusion: Lincecum has no farking clue where his pitches are going.

Nabb1: Told you so.

Signed,

Braves fans.

I remember cleveland fans ever denying he collapsed this bad in atlanta when he did every year, hes done as a year long starter, he cant make it an entire year without losing his ability to keep the ball down.

Cyberluddite: Big deal. As a Giants fan, I have no sympathy, given that our "ace" is a back-to-back Cy Young Award winner who, after finally winning last night, now has a 5-11 record and has lowered his ERA to a 5.62 (now third-worst ERA in the NL, as compared to dead last in ERA that as he's been most of the season).


i have no f'ing clue what happened to Ricky Romero this season. I can sympathize with you.

/except your team wins

Hey, at least we traded fo a guy named Lars.

Lars!

For my fellow Tribe fans, here's a great open letter to Chris Perez. Which he responds: ChrisPerez54: @WFNYScott Very well thought out, and written; Definitely the best article I have read in awhile (about 1 hour ago from web in reply to WFNYScott) Please get Dolan, Antonetti and Shapiro out of Cleveland.

I think that a post-divorce Anna Benson is the consensus pick for CPotY.

The Indians are simply a bad team. There are way too many holes to fill. Their win/loss record is really inflated given that they've scored 71 fewer runs than they've allowed but are only 3 games under .500.

"You may think I'm shiat now, but someday you're gonna be sorry you cut me.
I'm gonna catch on somewhere else and every time that I pitch against you I'm gonna stick it up your farkin' ass! "

ricewater_stool: The Indians are simply a bad team. There are way too many holes to fill. Their win/loss record is really inflated given that they've scored 71 fewer runs than they've allowed but are only 3 games under .500.

We've got a great core in Cabera/Kipnis/Brantley/Santana/Choo, Smith, Pestano and Perez are great in the pen but this season depended on the starting rotation pitching to their ability and, unfortunately, they've actually regressed. Masterson has been maddeningly inconsistent, Tomlin's fallen apart and Ubaldo is Ubaldo. McAllister has been a great surprise, but it takes more than one consistent starting pitcher to win ballgames and we just don't have it right now. The hole in left field wasn't properly addressed and the holes we thought we'd filled at first and third ended up almost as bad as left field after Chisenhall broke his arm and Kotchman's BA dropped about 70 points.

It's been an incredibly frustrating season. We could still be in it if the front office had addressed some glaring problems earlier in the season (The Red Sox wanted Tomlin for Youkilis and our FO wouldn't pull the trigger, Willingham isn't here because they wouldn't give him a 3 year deal) but instead they waited until the wheels had completely come off and then used that as an excuse for going inactive at the trade deadline.

/Fire Shapiro
//Fire Antonetti
///SELL THE F*CKING TEAM, DOLAN, YOU F*CK

Well the Tigers have underperformed even worse and the only trade made has been a total bust so far. It's becoming painful to watch every night. They seem to start playing well and then go right back into the tank.

ricewater_stool: Well the Tigers have underperformed even worse and the only trade made has been a total bust so far. It's becoming painful to watch every night. They seem to start playing well and then go right back into the tank.

At least the Tigers, while maybe not well managed by the front office, aren't horrible mismanaged to the point of actually making things worse.

"Okay, so we've got a gaping hole in left field and we're desperately in need of a right-handed power hitter...hey, how about the rotting corpse of Johnny Damon? Josh Willingham? Pfft, come on now, we're on a budget."

But the good news is Derek has now farked a female reporter in Cleveland.

CavalierEternal: ricewater_stool: Well the Tigers have underperformed even worse and the only trade made has been a total bust so far. It's becoming painful to watch every night. They seem to start playing well and then go right back into the tank.

At least the Tigers, while maybe not well managed by the front office, aren't horrible mismanaged to the point of actually making things worse.

"Okay, so we've got a gaping hole in left field and we're desperately in need of a right-handed power hitter...hey, how about the rotting corpse of Johnny Damon? Josh Willingham? Pfft, come on now, we're on a budget."


No, I actually can't complain too much about the Tigers front office. This trade doesn't look good so far but Dombrowski has a pretty good track record. Nobody would have predicted that half the lineup would suddenly start to suck.

I lived through the previous Tigers regime that led up to the 43-119 season in 2003, so I understand your frustration. That was the definition of incompetence.

I think Lowe has done this before; I vaguely recall him burning my fantasy team when I picked him up after a hot start.

Dare I say we should have had a fire sale sans Kipnis/Santana/Brantley? We could have flipped Choo for 2 excellent prospects, Asdrubal for even more (I know, blasphemy. More on this is a second), and Perez to a team desperate for a closer/bullpen help. I bet we could have dealt Masterson for a promising arm, and sombody out there has to be thinking "I can fix Ubaldo".

In regards to Asdrubal, if the sale took place, we would have had to endure another 2 years of crappy baseball until our prospect haul gets acclimated. By then, a kid named Francisco Lindor will be ready for the big time and he is basically Asdrubal with a tad more power.

/Rinse, repeat
//Over and over again
//THIS is Indians baseball....Catch the fever!!!

Dafatone: Cyberluddite: Big deal. As a Giants fan, I have no sympathy, given that our "ace" is a back-to-back Cy Young Award winner who, after finally winning last night, now has a 5-11 record and has lowered his ERA to a 5.62 (now third-worst ERA in the NL, as compared to dead last in ERA that as he's been most of the season).

There was a big "wtf is with Tim Lincecum" discussion here a month ago, that brought in all sorts of sabermetrics, pitchfx, and other advanced tools. Everyone more or less agreed that he's been unlucky since his stuff was still as good as it ever was.

After watching last night's game, there's a pretty simple conclusion: Lincecum has no farking clue where his pitches are going.


Here's all you really need to know about Timmy. When the Giants visited Atlanta a couple weeks ago, the temperature was in the 90's at game time, and Timmy was wearing a hooded sweatshirt -- with the hood pulled over his head.

The guy is a freak of nature and has a ridiculous amount of talent. But when you're player is acting like a crackhead, You should expect things like this to happen.

Cybernetic: I think that a post-divorce Anna Benson is the consensus pick for CPotY.

The words "on" and "her" are not part of that title, you know that right?

Cyberluddite: Big deal. As a Giants fan, I have no sympathy, given that our "ace" is a back-to-back Cy Young Award winner who, after finally winning last night, now has a 5-11 record and has lowered his ERA to a 5.62 (now third-worst ERA in the NL, as compared to dead last in ERA that as he's been most of the season).

If he was pitching like he had in his first couple years, you guys would be running away with the division. Instead, my offensively-challenged team (even with Kemp and Ethier back) are still in the runnings. Now I'm going to go cry since we got swept by the D-bags and are about to fall to third place...

Obvious tag got the fark out of Cleveland a long time ago?

CavalierEternal: ricewater_stool: Well the Tigers have underperformed even worse and the only trade made has been a total bust so far. It's becoming painful to watch every night. They seem to start playing well and then go right back into the tank.

At least the Tigers, while maybe not well managed by the front office, aren't horrible mismanaged to the point of actually making things worse.

"Okay, so we've got a gaping hole in left field and we're desperately in need of a right-handed power hitter...hey, how about the rotting corpse of Johnny Damon? Josh Willingham? Pfft, come on now, we're on a budget."

To be fair, the Damon signing was well after Willingham was off the market. The reason the Indians didn't sign Willingham was that he was 33 and demanding a 3 year contract. And, they at the time were relying on Grady to be an OF, so Willingham was being looked at for 1B, not a good defensive position for him. They expected, I guess, to sign Carlos Pena or grab Carlos Lee in a trade instead. Kotchman and Damon were last-choice options, but they were still upgrades over what would have been there otherwise (LaPorta at 1B, Cunningham/Duncan in LF).

Not signing Willingham looks awful in retrospect. And they probably should have taken a gamble on Youk instead of writing him off as old and damaged. But even if they did BOTH of those things, they'd still be in a bad spot. There isn't a single pitcher in our rotation who can be counted on. Ubaldo and Masterson have been completely inconsistent. Tomlin and Lowe have been awful. McAllister is too inexperienced to have a whole lot of stock put in him. In addition, our supposed best hitter, Carlos Santana, has been woeful in the power department until recently. They can win with Santana hitting .250 as long as he has a high OBP and a high slugging. He right now has the OBP, but his ISO is 60 points down.

Indians fans love to rail against management and ownership as much as possible. But the fact is that nobody in the starting rotation is playing up to par aside from McAllister (and he's only been doing it for a month or so). There isn't a major league team out there that can survive that and compete.

Wait, you mean to tell me extrapolating small sample size data isn't a good idea?

ricewater_stool: The Indians are simply a bad team. There are way too many holes to fill. Their win/loss record is really inflated given that they've scored 71 fewer runs than they've allowed but are only 3 games under .500.

That has nothing to do with his era now exploding, lowe is good for about 10-15 starts a year, after that his shiat stops dropping and he leaves the ball up in the strike zone which leads to tape measure HRs.

Cyberluddite: Big deal. As a Giants fan, I have no sympathy, given that our "ace" is a back-to-back Cy Young Award winner who, after finally winning last night, now has a 5-11 record and has lowered his ERA to a 5.62 (now third-worst ERA in the NL, as compared to dead last in ERA that as he's been most of the season).

And if the Indians had ponied up an extra $700K when they drafted him out of high school, he could have pitched in Cleveland - which also means that the Indians could have become the first team in major league history to trade away THREE straight Cy Young Award winners.

Paging DeWayne Mann... DeWayne Mann, your services are needed in Fark Thread #7245007

Uncle Pooky: Paging DeWayne Mann... DeWayne Mann, your services are needed in Fark Thread #7245007

Why? Is anyone actually surprised by this?

I came here for some Bob Uecker from Major League. Fark, I am disappoint.

/Used to be an Indians fan, but I just couldn't take it anymore.
//Burn on, big river, burn on...

Holy shiat, did that ball land on the Mass Turnpike? Freaking blasted.

Since the days of John Hart, The Tribe has been the most inept team in MLB. Awful trades, terrible drafting, and consistent under-performing on the part of the players who are there.

Mark Shapiro couldn't competently manage a laundry mat.

Glenechocreek: Since the days of John Hart, The Tribe has been the most inept team in MLB.

Woah now, let's not get hasty...

Hey, remember a month into the season...

To be honest I don't, but anyone talking about end of season awards a month into the season regardless of the individual or circumstances should be kicked square in the nuts.

Shrugging Atlas: Hey, remember a month into the season...

To be honest I don't, but anyone talking about end of season awards a month into the season regardless of the individual or circumstances should be kicked square in the nuts.

Search the old Fark threads there was one talking about how great a season Lowe was having and mocking Atlanta for giving him up and paying for some of his salary.

We now get the last laugh after watching Lowe start decent but end up in the shiatter.

Lowe was just DFaed

DeWayne Mann: Lowe was just DFaed

Ahem...

Speaking of CPotY, does Wright get the nod in the NL after having 1 bad season due to injury?

zarberg: Speaking of CPotY, does Wright get the nod in the NL after having 1 bad season due to injury?

Honestly wouldn't be surprised to see it go to Zito. Best ERA since he's been a Giant.

Never mind that his ERA+ is just 90 (3rd worst with the Giants), or that his FIP is a full point higher than his ERA, or that he's worth .1 fWAR, or .3 rWAR or that it's his worst K/9 ever....

Glenechocreek: Since the days of John Hart, The Tribe has been the most inept team in MLB. Awful trades, terrible drafting, and consistent under-performing on the part of the players who are there.

Mark Shapiro couldn't competently manage a laundry mat.

What trades are you talking about? Shapiro is great at trading for talent.


/not a joke

Lowe per month:

April: 2.56
May: 2.76
June: 3.89
July: 3.09

Is that his BB/9? K/BB? Nope. That's his farking K/9. I don't know if that's funny or sad.

Rex_Banner: Lowe per month:

April: 2.56
May: 2.76
June: 3.89
July: 3.09

Is that his BB/9? K/BB? Nope. That's his farking K/9. I don't know if that's funny or sad.

Hey, that looks like an upwards trend to my eyes. Someone should TOTALLY claim him on waivers.

(Semi-related, but did everyone see this joke of an article from deadspin a few weeks ago?

Why Aaron Cook And His Two Strikeouts Are A Nightmare For Sabermetrics)

thecpt: i have no f'ing clue what happened to Ricky Romero this season. I can sympathize with you.

This. Got to be frustrating for the guy...

and



This is why it's hard to root for this team. Both of these guys should still be pitching for the Indians. We cannot retain good talent.

Thus proving that the All-Star team selections should be based solely on who was good for the first three months of the season, rather than being career awards and people the fans want to watch.

ricewater_stool: The Indians are simply a bad team. There are way too many holes to fill. Their win/loss record is really inflated given that they've scored 71 fewer runs than they've allowed but are only 3 games under .500.

or.. on the other hand, one could just as easily say that their run differential is really deflated considering they're only 3 games under .500.

Rick Manning was in vintage crabby old man form during last night's beat-down by the Royals:

This game is supposed to be fun! Do your job & have fun!! These guys are so tight they're not having any fun!!!"