Directed by Spike Lee... I'm sure it'll be a hit.

Spike Lee?????..........Josh Brolin?????? No thanks.

Red Shirt Blues: Spike Lee?????..........Josh Brolin?????? No thanks.

I know, right? No Country for Old Men was terrible. So was Inside Man.

Oh wait. they were both awesome.

I think Josh Brolin might make a decent Dae-su. Spike Lee doesn't necessarily shy away from difficult material. I don't know...I'm a huge fan of the original film, but I'm not entirely sure this will suck.

The original Japanese 'Oldboy' manga didn't include the "intrafamilial relations" angle (along with a few other things Park and his writers included when they decided to [rather loosely] adapt it to film). At the time Steven Spielberg and Will Smith were circling this remake, their stated notion was to film a more faithful adaptation of the source material. Whether that's still the case with the current filmmaking team or not remains to be seen.

If they just remake the South Korean film...what's the f*cking point? (yeah...i know...$$$$$$)

Look, I farking love the dude, I really do, but was the the 'Spirit' that long ago? He's said several times he'll pretty much do anything for a pay check.

I think hollywood will have to knock all the 'edges' off it, and what remains will be pretty tame. But I got a huge amount of respect for Brolin, saying he wouldn't do it with out the original director's blessing. That's integrity.

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Red Shirt Blues: Spike Lee?????..........Josh Brolin?????? No thanks.

I know, right? No Country for Old Men was terrible. So was Inside Man.

Oh wait. they were both awesome.

Actually you were right the first time with No Country, although it wasn't Brolin's fault

There is no farking way Hollywood will let Spike Lee keep that whole plot twist intact for both main characters, it would be even more controversial to test audiences than "Do the Right Thing" was.

Though I'm very interested to see how Spike films the hammer scene.

Pandora's Litterbox: The original Japanese 'Oldboy' manga didn't include the "intrafamilial relations" angle (along with a few other things Park and his writers included when they decided to [rather loosely] adapt it to film). At the time Steven Spielberg and Will Smith were circling this remake, their stated notion was to film a more faithful adaptation of the source material. Whether that's still the case with the current filmmaking team or not remains to be seen.

If they just remake the South Korean film...what's the f*cking point? (yeah...i know...$$$$$$)

You can't really get the Korean version of "Old Boy" without watching the rest of the "Vengeance Trilogy" They are connected yet not. I liked how the director made the ending more sinister than the manga's (The drawback was having to watch the poorly English dubbed movie).

I don't think "Old Boy" can be Americanized because the story would not work in the US. The only US director that could make it work would be Quentin Tarantino too bad he is not working on the film.

wraith95: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Red Shirt Blues: Spike Lee?????..........Josh Brolin?????? No thanks.

I know, right? No Country for Old Men was terrible. So was Inside Man.

Oh wait. they were both awesome.

Actually you were right the first time with No Country, although it wasn't Brolin's fault

Yes.

I've had it with these motherfarking remakes of already extant outstanding foreign language films.

Oldboy is the kind of movie I want to see exactly once. Audition also falls into this category. Once is enough.

It doesn't need a remake.

I preferred I Saw the Devil to be honest. Hopefully they don't butcher this as much as I think they will.

I just rewatched it last night for the first time in quite awhile. There is no farking reason to remake it, or any Chan Park Wook movie. As far as I'm concerned he's the best director alive, definitely better than that racist dwarf Spike Lee.

They could possibly try to justify it by sticking to the manga story, which completely changes the villain's motivation and takes out the big "Ewwww..." twist. The manga isn't anywhere near as extreme as the movie.

wraith95: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Red Shirt Blues: Spike Lee?????..........Josh Brolin?????? No thanks.

I know, right? No Country for Old Men was terrible. So was Inside Man.

Oh wait. they were both awesome.

Actually you were right the first time with No Country, although it wasn't Brolin's fault

THIS

Holy crap, I hated No Country for Old Men. I swear, the Cohen brothers really need to toss out every third or fourth film they make. Most of the time they make fantastic movies (Hudsucker Proxy, The Big Lebowski, Miller's Crossing), but then every few years they decide to make films that are just a complete waste of time, effort, and money (Fargo, The Ladykillers, No Country for Old Men).

Richard Roma: I just rewatched it last night for the first time in quite awhile. There is no farking reason to remake it, or any Chan Park Wook movie.



Come on, you know you want to see this turn into a story about teenage vampires and their lovable sidekick the ghost of the retarded ex-boyfriend.

Could be interesting to see what they do with the same general story concept given American values and mores.

I always feel a big disconnect with deeply asian culture stuff. Oldboy was interesting, but things like Ichi the killer (or was it killer Ichi?) and the other two Mr. Vengeance (or Lady, or sympathy, or whatever the other two movies connected to Oldboy are) weren't even watchable for me.

But I didn't know there was a manga. I may read that.

Teufelaffe: wraith95: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Red Shirt Blues: Spike Lee?????..........Josh Brolin?????? No thanks.

I know, right? No Country for Old Men was terrible. So was Inside Man.

Oh wait. they were both awesome.

Actually you were right the first time with No Country, although it wasn't Brolin's fault

THIS

Holy crap, I hated No Country for Old Men. I swear, the Cohen brothers really need to toss out every third or fourth film they make. Most of the time they make fantastic movies (Hudsucker Proxy, The Big Lebowski, Miller's Crossing), but then every few years they decide to make films that are just a complete waste of time, effort, and money (Fargo, The Ladykillers, No Country for Old Men).



..........wat?


Anyways, Spike Lee hasn't made a film I have enjoyed yet. I have little to no hope for this movie.

burndtdan: Richard Roma: I just rewatched it last night for the first time in quite awhile. There is no farking reason to remake it, or any Chan Park Wook movie.

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Come on, you know you want to see this turn into a story about teenage vampires and their lovable sidekick the ghost of the retarded ex-boyfriend.

That movie SUCKED. My buddy and I loved oldboy and were hyped to see this when it came out. What a boring useless movie.

Thirst wasn't really great, and I'm a Cyborg, But That's Ok was pretty bad. Other than that Chan-wook Park has been nothing but gold for me. I haven't seen everything he's done yet, but so far so good.

I don't mind the idea of an Oldboy remake. Depending on what they do with it they may just make a decent movie. It may not be the same gritty Oldboy we already know, but does that really matter? It can just be it's own thing. But it'll probably suck.

Possibly the best choreographed fight scene in cinema. Link

Shakes999: burndtdan:
Come on, you know you want to see this turn into a story about teenage vampires and their lovable sidekick the ghost of the retarded ex-boyfriend.

That movie SUCKED. My buddy and I loved oldboy and were hyped to see this when it came out. What a boring useless movie.

Hogwash. It wasn't as good as any part of the vengeance trilogy, but it was still plenty entertaining. Park is such a good director that he could probably make an hour long car commercial watchable.

Plus, that girl in it was teh hawt.

Wow, some really weird hate for No Country in here. That film was fantastic.

Live-octopus eating or it didn't happen.

sat1va: Wow, some really weird hate for No Country in here. That film was fantastic until the last 15 minutes where it turned into a clusterfark of nonsensical off-screen occurrences, 'ooh, this is so DEEP and MEANINGFUL' monologues about dreams and, hey, a car crash just because..

FTFY 

/Never read the book, so I don't know how much of that was in the source material, nor do I care. The end of that movie was so unlike the rest of the film that it felt like it was from a different movie.

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: That film was fantastic until the last 15 minutes where it turned into a clusterfark of nonsensical off-screen occurrences, 'ooh, this is so DEEP and MEANINGFUL' monologues about dreams and, hey, a car crash just because..

kab: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: That film was fantastic until the last 15 minutes where it turned into a clusterfark of nonsensical off-screen occurrences, 'ooh, this is so DEEP and MEANINGFUL' monologues about dreams and, hey, a car crash just because..

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Brolin's character is killed by the Mexicans (off-screen), Tommy Lee Jones gets sad and decides to retire, Javier Bardem visits Brolin's wife then kills her (off-screen) before getting into a car crash, and we end the film with Tommy Lee Jones talking about a dream he had. I mean, I'm not sure what would be nonsensical about the death of Brolin & his wife, but the rest is a pretty accurate description of the last part of the movie.

Teufelaffe: Brolin's character is killed by the Mexicans (off-screen), Tommy Lee Jones gets sad and decides to retire, Javier Bardem visits Brolin's wife then kills her (off-screen) before getting into a car crash, and we end the film with Tommy Lee Jones talking about a dream he had. I mean, I'm not sure what would be nonsensical about the death of Brolin & his wife, but the rest is a pretty accurate description of the last part of the movie.

It was nonsensical in the sense that the Mexicans were such a minor part of the story. He could have been killed by a random lighting bolt or a piano falling on him and it wouldn't have been any more out of the blue.

Back to Chan-Wook Park, I wasn't much for Sympathy, but Lady Vengeance was great. Thirst may not have been one of his best movies, but it's probably one of the best vampire flicks I've ever seen.

While it's not one of his, The Chaser is another pretty good Korean movie.

It never ceases to amaze me that Hollywood has to remake perfectly good movies for American audiences that either A) refuse to read subtitles, B) have no exposure to foreign film (for which Hollywood is partially to blame), or C) are uninterested in things like plot, character development and cinematography, preferring explosions and one-liners (again, for which Hollywood is partially to blame, having force-feed the audience such for years).

Why do we need insta-remakes of Let the Right One In, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, or Oldboy? The originals are pretty well done. I could understand if some time had passed and the story could use a modern twist, and/or if you wanted to change the setting (Magnificent Seven vs. Seven Samurai, for example). But to just remake the original with English-speaking actors is weak.

This could be good. I like the fact the original director signed off on it. That's really important for a movie like Oldboy. With the right cast and direction it could be great. Oldboy is my favorite foreign movie of all time, and I can see myself getting on board with this. Anything other than Will Smith being involved. What a farking nightmare that would've been. You just know his pieces of shiat kids would've been involved. Ugh. I'm still gonna cut off that girl's hair if I ever get the chance.

Teufelaffe: ...films that are just a complete waste of time, effort, and money (Fargo, The Ladykillers, No Country for Old Men).

Go sit in the corner, I revoke your movie watching privileges.

ParagonComplex: This could be good. I like the fact the original director signed off on it. That's really important for a movie like Oldboy. With the right cast and direction it could be great. Oldboy is my favorite foreign movie of all time, and I can see myself getting on board with this. Anything other than Will Smith being involved. What a farking nightmare that would've been. You just know his pieces of shiat kids would've been involved. Ugh. I'm still gonna cut off that girl's hair if I ever get the chance.

For me foreign films often seem so much more emotional. I can't understand the speech so I focus on the emphasis.

Old Boy is one of my favorites. Cidade de Deus is also good as are some of the Kurosawa films (didn't like Rashomon but Yojimbo was nice and 7 Samurai is fantastic if you forget about that silly love scene.

Change direction here thread. What foreign films do you recommend others seeing or what would actually be due for a remake?

Erder: ParagonComplex: This could be good. I like the fact the original director signed off on it. That's really important for a movie like Oldboy. With the right cast and direction it could be great. Oldboy is my favorite foreign movie of all time, and I can see myself getting on board with this. Anything other than Will Smith being involved. What a farking nightmare that would've been. You just know his pieces of shiat kids would've been involved. Ugh. I'm still gonna cut off that girl's hair if I ever get the chance.

For me foreign films often seem so much more emotional. I can't understand the speech so I focus on the emphasis.

Old Boy is one of my favorites. Cidade de Deus is also good as are some of the Kurosawa films (didn't like Rashomon but Yojimbo was nice and 7 Samurai is fantastic if you forget about that silly love scene.

Change direction here thread. What foreign films do you recommend others seeing or what would actually be due for a remake?

recs:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1436045/
(13 Assassins [2010])

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098253/
(Santa Sangre [1989])

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/
(The Lives of Others [2006[)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0245712/
(Amores Perros [2000])

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053459/
(Eyes Without A Face [1960])

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096336/
(Story of Women [1988])

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046911/
(Diabolique [1955])

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317248/
(City of God [2002])

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078875/
(The Tin Drum [1979])

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084390/
(The Ballad of Narayama [1983])

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0031885/
(The Rules of the Game [1939])

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097202/
(The Killer [1989])

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113247/
(La Haine [1995])

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0022100/
(M [1931])


Many (MANY) more but the above should serve as a decent primer.


No films should be remade. The money, talent and effort should go towards a tale theretofore untold. The creators of the original tale have usually told the tale the way they believe it should be told. Most remakes are just inferior half-assed copies of the tale already (usually brilliantly) told once. What's the point of retelling it again? My view, anyway.

I know many have been told twice (and sometimes even thrice [and sometimes retold by the original tellers]) and a few have even been successful. But art is rarely the primary reason for the retelling. So...again, why?

Rewrite:

.... and a very rare few have been artistically successful.

And, since you already made mention of City of God* replace it on my life with

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401085/
(C.R.A.Z.Y. [2005])

*I have no defense for my duplication.

life = list.

I'm going now.

skinink: There is no farking way Hollywood will let Spike Lee keep that whole plot twist intact for both main characters, it would be even more controversial to test audiences than "Do the Right Thing" was.

Though I'm very interested to see how Spike films the hammer scene.

That's how I feel, the South Korean and Japanese film boards are tolerant in a lot of areas that Hollywood isn't. Oldboy, Audition, Noriko's Dinner Table, Suicide Club, etc would face major problems from the studio execs.

/I also think the Korea version of the The Ring is the best version out there

jmsvrsn: Possibly the best choreographed fight scene in cinema. Link

That's a terrible fight scene that relies on some of the worst tropes in movie fighting.

kyuzokai: It never ceases to amaze me that Hollywood has to remake perfectly good movies for American audiences that either A) refuse to read subtitles, B) have no exposure to foreign film (for which Hollywood is partially to blame), or C) are uninterested in things like plot, character development and cinematography, preferring explosions and one-liners (again, for which Hollywood is partially to blame, having force-feed the audience such for years).

Why do we need insta-remakes of Let the Right One In, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, or Oldboy? The originals are pretty well done. I could understand if some time had passed and the story could use a modern twist, and/or if you wanted to change the setting (Magnificent Seven vs. Seven Samurai, for example). But to just remake the original with English-speaking actors is weak.

"let me in" and "girl with the dragon tattoo" were plenty good

but who cares? why is this such important butthurt to people?

are movies supposed to be sacred canon or something?

musicians cover other musicians' songs. how is this any different.

escapes me.

wookiee cookie: kyuzokai: It never ceases to amaze me that Hollywood has to remake perfectly good movies for American audiences that either A) refuse to read subtitles, B) have no exposure to foreign film (for which Hollywood is partially to blame), or C) are uninterested in things like plot, character development and cinematography, preferring explosions and one-liners (again, for which Hollywood is partially to blame, having force-feed the audience such for years).

Why do we need insta-remakes of Let the Right One In, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, or Oldboy? The originals are pretty well done. I could understand if some time had passed and the story could use a modern twist, and/or if you wanted to change the setting (Magnificent Seven vs. Seven Samurai, for example). But to just remake the original with English-speaking actors is weak.

"let me in" and "girl with the dragon tattoo" were plenty good

but who cares? why is this such important butthurt to people?

are movies supposed to be sacred canon or something?

musicians cover other musicians' songs. how is this any different.

escapes me.

I'm just mad that they haven't remade Looker yet.

Erder: ParagonComplex: This could be good. I like the fact the original director signed off on it. That's really important for a movie like Oldboy. With the right cast and direction it could be great. Oldboy is my favorite foreign movie of all time, and I can see myself getting on board with this. Anything other than Will Smith being involved. What a farking nightmare that would've been. You just know his pieces of shiat kids would've been involved. Ugh. I'm still gonna cut off that girl's hair if I ever get the chance.

For me foreign films often seem so much more emotional. I can't understand the speech so I focus on the emphasis.

Old Boy is one of my favorites. Cidade de Deus is also good as are some of the Kurosawa films (didn't like Rashomon but Yojimbo was nice and 7 Samurai is fantastic if you forget about that silly love scene.

Change direction here thread. What foreign films do you recommend others seeing or what would actually be due for a remake?

People have to watch The Man From Nowhere. It resonated with me in a way which no other film has done in quite some time. City of God is another amazing foreign film. Children of Men was great as well. Still foreign even though it's English language. Those are my top three favorite foreign films. If a person wants to see a movie they've never experienced before then Audition, Visitor Q, or anything Takashi Miike will straight out mindfrak a person. As for a remake? That's a tough one. It all depends on the director, screenwriter, and cast. The Man From Nowhere could be amazing remade. There isn't a lot of culturecentric themes that cannot be translated. It's about a man who befriends the child of a druggie and has to rescue her from some bad news. I won't spoil the rest.

wookiee cookie: kyuzokai: It never ceases to amaze me that Hollywood has to remake perfectly good movies for American audiences that either A) refuse to read subtitles, B) have no exposure to foreign film (for which Hollywood is partially to blame), or C) are uninterested in things like plot, character development and cinematography, preferring explosions and one-liners (again, for which Hollywood is partially to blame, having force-feed the audience such for years).

Why do we need insta-remakes of Let the Right One In, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, or Oldboy? The originals are pretty well done. I could understand if some time had passed and the story could use a modern twist, and/or if you wanted to change the setting (Magnificent Seven vs. Seven Samurai, for example). But to just remake the original with English-speaking actors is weak.

"let me in" and "girl with the dragon tattoo" were plenty good

but who cares? why is this such important butthurt to people?

are movies supposed to be sacred canon or something?

musicians cover other musicians' songs. how is this any different.

escapes me.

Hadn't thought about it, but I suppose that a musician covering another song doesn't cost anything (and the best covers often completely rework the song), but making a movie is a multi-million dollar affair. I'd rather that money went to telling "new" stories (or at least adding a significant twist on the old one). Different strokes, I guess.

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: sat1va: Wow, some really weird hate for No Country in here. That film was fantastic until the last 15 minutes where it turned into a clusterfark of nonsensical off-screen occurrences, 'ooh, this is so DEEP and MEANINGFUL' monologues about dreams and, hey, a car crash just because..

FTFY 

/Never read the book, so I don't know how much of that was in the source material, nor do I care. The end of that movie was so unlike the rest of the film that it felt like it was from a different movie.

Ahh, you didn't "get" the movie. Then I guess I understand your frustration with it. I thought the ending was perfectly aligned with what Chigurh was, the only truly principled (if not warped) character.

(Chigurh kills Llewellyn's wife, as evidenced by his checking for blood on his shoes. Tommy Lee Jones has his denouement where he realizes he's a lawman from a different time unable to keep up with grittiness of a changing world, unable to protect those he sought to. Chigurh continues his strangely principled life where ever it takes him.)

sat1va: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: sat1va: Wow, some really weird hate for No Country in here. That film was fantastic until the last 15 minutes where it turned into a clusterfark of nonsensical off-screen occurrences, 'ooh, this is so DEEP and MEANINGFUL' monologues about dreams and, hey, a car crash just because..

FTFY 

/Never read the book, so I don't know how much of that was in the source material, nor do I care. The end of that movie was so unlike the rest of the film that it felt like it was from a different movie.

Ahh, you didn't "get" the movie. Then I guess I understand your frustration with it. I thought the ending was perfectly aligned with what Chigurh was, the only truly principled (if not warped) character.

While I like NCFOM, "you didn't 'get' the movie" is not a viable argument as to why you liked a movie and someone else didn't.

MacGuff: sat1va: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: sat1va: Wow, some really weird hate for No Country in here. That film was fantastic until the last 15 minutes where it turned into a clusterfark of nonsensical off-screen occurrences, 'ooh, this is so DEEP and MEANINGFUL' monologues about dreams and, hey, a car crash just because..

FTFY 

/Never read the book, so I don't know how much of that was in the source material, nor do I care. The end of that movie was so unlike the rest of the film that it felt like it was from a different movie.

Ahh, you didn't "get" the movie. Then I guess I understand your frustration with it. I thought the ending was perfectly aligned with what Chigurh was, the only truly principled (if not warped) character.

While I like NCFOM, "you didn't 'get' the movie" is not a viable argument as to why you liked a movie and someone else didn't.

I agree with you on that point, but when someone calls the ending "nonsensical", it suggests that they were unable to make sense of it, which I consider "getting" it.

Hey, if this remake takes off, and with the remake of I Spit On Your Grave, the Americanization of Ichi The Killer is in the realm of possibIlity.

Also, Ikiru is a worthwhile foreign flick. Leave it to Kurosawa to make a movie about a guy dealing with a terminal illness not feel trite.