Woman A met Julian Assange, invited him back to her flat, gave him dinner, went to bed with him, had consensual sex with him. Claims that she woke up to him having sex with her again. This is something which can happen, you know.

so um, WHAT THE fark ???

I have NOT been following this story, in the morning when she woke up, did she say no and he didnt stop?
is all morning sex rape, unless you have both been up and had two cups of coffee?

Time to get a notary and wtinesses before each sex act.

namatad: Woman A met Julian Assange, invited him back to her flat, gave him dinner, went to bed with him, had consensual sex with him. Claims that she woke up to him having sex with her again. This is something which can happen, you know.

so um, WHAT THE fark ???

I have NOT been following this story, in the morning when she woke up, did she say no and he didnt stop?
is all morning sex rape, unless you have both been up and had two cups of coffee?

Time to get a notary and wtinesses before each sex act.

Swedish law is Swedish law. You spit on the sidewalk in Singapore you will get caned. You rush the crease without protection before the alarm clock goes off, you get questioned, maybe charged.

I mean not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion. Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them.

So what you're saying George, we can go to bed, take of our clothes, have sex, and then if you wake up in the middle of the night to me railing you with my 10-inch strapon without lube, it's not rape?

Good to know.

So...Swedish chicks are required to carry consent forms at all times, right?  I think Assange got arrested as retribution regardless of the "legal" technicalities.  Not that unwanted sex isn't rape...just that its hard to believe "I bopped him once but that doesn't imply I wanted bopped again."  Hell, Viagra made profits on the idea of multiple sexual sessions per evening.  Not that I've ever used Viagra...or can handle that much pressure.

what_now: I mean not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion. Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them.

So what you're saying George, we can go to bed, take of our clothes, have sex, and then if you wake up in the middle of the night to me railing you with my 10-inch strapon without lube, it's not rape?

Good to know.

That's how I prefer to be woken up in the morning, actually.

what_now: I mean not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion. Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them.

So what you're saying George, we can go to bed, take of our clothes, have sex, and then if you wake up in the middle of the night to me railing you with my 10-inch strapon without lube, it's not rape?

Good to know.

Only if you yell "surprise!"

ignoring the legal side for a second
HOW do we as adults deal with this?
Two (or more) people get together. How do I prevent being accused of rape at a later date?

in theory, only stick your dick in someone you have known for a long enough period of time that there can be LESS doubt at a later point in time..... thank god I dont do one-night-stands


mrshowrules: Swedish law is Swedish law. You spit on the sidewalk in Singapore you will get caned. You rush the crease without protection before the alarm clock goes off, you get questioned, maybe charged.

Except that wasnt my question. My question was: I havent been following this, is there an article somewhere with more details. Or is all that there is is that she went to the police and pressed charges? And he rationally fled for his safety? or he rationally fled because his dumbass should go to prison because she said no, and he raped her.

I have no trouble believing her story. I would believe it over his. Unless it really was this lame sauce, she woke after having sex all night to find that they were still having sex ... In which case, I run away screaming and crying because society has no way to adjudicate this.

no means no
if she said stop and he didnt, no problem he needs to spend time in jail
if she said stop and he stopped, was it still rape? esp if they had had sex all night?
shudder

if I had been partying all night long with someone and they later accused me of rape. and this was 100% opposite of my perception of what we had been doing, I would be TERRIFIED that I would end up in prison for something which hadnt happened. shudder

Can you blame him for fleeing to maintain his freedom?
we know that innocent people get put in prison for rape all of the time ....
"running" makes him look guilty or terrified for his freedom.
sigh

what_now: I mean not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion. Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them.

So what you're saying George, we can go to bed, take of our clothes, have sex, and then if you wake up in the middle of the night to me railing you with my 10-inch strapon without lube, it's not rape?

Good to know.

I know what you're saying, and the facts may or may not bear out a rape charge for Assange, but I gotta be honest: based on that definition, I am a rapist, and so are probably most guys.

I can honestly say I have never done anything with a woman that she has considered rape, or an assault, or anything like that. But can I claim I have never woken up a lady friend with a friendly little poke? No I cannot. If that is rape, then lock me up I guess.

namatad: Woman A met Julian Assange, invited him back to her flat, gave him dinner, went to bed with him, had consensual sex with him. Claims that she woke up to him having sex with her again. This is something which can happen, you know.

so um, WHAT THE fark ???

I have NOT been following this story, in the morning when she woke up, did she say no and he didnt stop?
is all morning sex rape, unless you have both been up and had two cups of coffee?

Time to get a notary and wtinesses before each sex act.

I might be misremembering, someone in this thread could tell me, but (a) the previous night she insisted he use a condom; in the morning, she woke up to him penetrating her without one and (b) she did say no.

gilgigamesh: But can I claim I have never woken up a lady friend with a friendly little poke?

I don't believe you managed to insert your penis into the vagina of a sleeping woman, without her waking up. If so, you've either got the worlds smallest penis, or she was so drunk/stoned she probably couldn't consent.

what_now: gilgigamesh: But can I claim I have never woken up a lady friend with a friendly little poke?

I don't believe you managed to insert your penis into the vagina of a sleeping woman, without her waking up. If so, you've either got the worlds smallest penis, or she was so drunk/stoned she probably couldn't consent.

*sniff*

*sniff*

*bursts into tears and runs from the thread*

gilgigamesh: what_now: gilgigamesh: But can I claim I have never woken up a lady friend with a friendly little poke?

I don't believe you managed to insert your penis into the vagina of a sleeping woman, without her waking up. If so, you've either got the worlds smallest penis, or she was so drunk/stoned she probably couldn't consent.

*sniff*

*sniff*

*bursts into tears and runs from the thread*


Sorry. I like you, and I know you're not the one doing this, but I am not at all amused by the attempts to legitimize rape.

If Assange had been Norwegian, then all would be good.

namatad: sigh

There are lots of detains on this on the Internet. There are, in fact two different women two different incidents.

In one case, he initiated a new "round" of sex with the women in morning when she was sleeping and didn't stop when initially asked to. He also wasn't wearing a condom which is part of it. Also, refused to get tested for STD's when asked.

Regardless of anyone's opinion on the matter, it is Sweden's sovereign right to deal with the complaints and they appear to take this seriously. For all we know, his sentence could be a letter of apology even if he is charged/convicted.

Seriously, though, of course they wake up. But I didn't ask first, and without getting too graphic, at least some penetration occurred before they were fully awake and either responsive or not.

I believe even the slightest penetration constitutes rape. If they are not awake when that occurs, they can't consent. Is that rape? And if so, does it then become not-rape when they wake up and let me in?

gilgigamesh: I believe even the slightest penetration constitutes rape. If they are not awake when that occurs, they can't consent. Is that rape? And if so, does it then become not-rape when they wake up and let me in?

That's basically it. The thing is, while men often wake up physically ready to have sex, women may need some time to get physically ready to accept penetration without it hurting. Did she roll over and grab your hips? Consent.

Is she still snoring? Non consent.

what_now: Sorry. I like you, and I know you're not the one doing this, but I am not at all amused by the attempts to legitimize rape.

I wasn't seriously offended. I was cracking wise at your small penis jab. FWIW, I don't like any aspect of this ominous push to make women into chattel.

But I think the rape question is a complicated one. That's not at all to minimize it: it just isn't like other crimes. Which is part of the problem, I guess, because it is woefully under-prosecuted.

what_now: Did she roll over and grab your hips? Consent.

Is she still snoring? Non consent.

Fair enough. I like my partners responsive. Snoring is not a turn on, except perhaps in some dark corners of the internet.

gilgigamesh: Fair enough. I like my partners responsive.

FTFM.

Although I was speaking hypothetically, and although my wife isn't on Fark, it is best to be clear.

namatad: Two (or more) people get together. How do I prevent being accused of rape at a later date?

Kill them and bury them in the back yard after each sexual encounter.

Rape? or Rapity rape rape?

/RIP Patrice O'Neal

If a woman is in a position where it appears that she is consenting to a sexual encounter, then her right to say that she claimed she didn't want it, or her right to claim it was rape after the fact should be revoked. It's pretty simple, a woman should be stating ahead of time whether or not she does or does not want sex. If she doesn't say that she's not interested, it's pretty much implied that it will be consensual when it does happen. She can't later say that it was rape just because she didn't tell him she didn't want it. That's pretty illogical.

Well, shoot...if initiating sex with a woman while she's asleep the night after having sex with a woman makes you a rapist, then I guess I'm a rapist. I guess I'm just lucky that she didn't mind.

This is why relationships are awful.

namatad:
Two (or more) people get together. How do I prevent being accused of rape at a later date?


I'm guessing that you should inflate and deflate your lovedoll after every rape.

Oh, good, this again. I missed this couch-surfing argument so much.

We had a court case about this in Canada recently. Basically, if you can't consent, it's rape. Consent must be given continually and be able to be revoked at any time. If you're sleeping, you can't consent. Just because she agreed to have sex once does not mean that you can do anything you like to her sleeping body.

Yes, there's an opportunity for misunderstandings on both sides, and no, obviously most men who initiative sleepy sex do not deserve to be called rapists and would never think of themselves that way, but penetrating an unconscious person is effectively denying their right to say no.

Lando Lincoln: This is why relationships are awful.

Actually, this is why long term relationships are awesome. You already know if someone like to be farked awake.

There are two women in Sweden who have accused him of rape, however both cases revolve around condoms. In the first, the condom broke during sex and while she didn't stop it then she was upset later that he didn't stop it. The second case is the one cited about (although he says that she was fully awake at the start of the morning encounter) and she admits to allowing him to continue once she realized he wasn't using a condom. Neither women contacted police until they realized he was banging both of them. Best source I can give while I'm still at work.

The guy is a douche and a smug idiot but, under the general meaning of the term, not a rapist.

 

This is all about "justice" for "rape". yeah. right.

mrshowrules: namatad: sigh

There are lots of detains on this on the Internet. There are, in fact two different women two different incidents.

In one case, he initiated a new "round" of sex with the women in morning when she was sleeping and didn't stop when initially asked to. He also wasn't wearing a condom which is part of it. Also, refused to get tested for STD's when asked.

Regardless of anyone's opinion on the matter, it is Sweden's sovereign right to deal with the complaints and they appear to take this seriously. For all we know, his sentence could be a letter of apology even if he is charged/convicted.

but it is NOT unreasonable for him to avoid returning to sweden, KNOWING that they will detain him and turn him over to the US to be renditioned. If sweden waved extradition to all other countries, than I would agree, he should go back. period.

but he is fleeing from the US, not sweden ...
which farks this up to no end.

Lando Lincoln: namatad: Two (or more) people get together. How do I prevent being accused of rape at a later date?

Kill them and bury them in the back yard after each sexual encounter.

technically, I can wait until they start to smell or parts fall off before burying them ...

namatad: but he is fleeing from the US, not sweden ...
which farks this up to no end

Yes, the situation is thorny, that I totally agree with. Ideally he could just stand trial for the rape, and we wouldn't have to listen to a bunch of people argue, but as he would undoubtedly face what I consider to be unusual punishment for his political importance, I do actually support him remaining where he is.

Krieghund: Lando Lincoln: This is why relationships are awful.

Actually, this is why long term relationships are awesome. You already know if someone like to be farked awake.

Not really. You can fark her senseless every morning for a year and then on day 366 she can say that she didn't want to be sleep-farked on that particular day and then congratulations...you're a rapist.

Not to be a stickler for details here, but Assange has already been questioned once by Swedish authorities, and hasn't been charged. When these accusations were first brought up, the local prosecutor declined to press charges for lack of evidence.

Is he a rapist? If everything went down the way his accuser says, yup sounds like it.

HOWEVER, none of this became a legal issue or was seen to have enough merit to prosecute until Wikileaks passed data allegedly from Bradley Manning to several newspapers for publishing. Sweden has a very liberal rendition treaty with the US, enough that if Assange touches down in Stockholm, he wouldn't even leave the airport, he'd be marched down the hall to a waiting jet bound for DC.

Extradition from the UK is a much stickier and lengthy process, hence the desire to find a quicker way to get him back here where there is most likely a sealed indictment waiting for him.

Back to the topic, George, shut the fark up, You're making an arse out of yourself.

It's funny because I saw the link from a few hours ago and thought that was a repeat from yesterday.

jaylectricity: It's funny because I saw the link from a few hours ago and thought that was a repeat from yesterday.

Everything is a repeat if you read it enough times. Hell, I've read your post about five times now.

mrshowrules: You rush the crease without protection before the alarm clock goes off, you get questioned, maybe charged.

As a fan of women, and hockey, and women who are fans of hockey, I applaud this saying and am now using it whenever possible.

I always ask for written consent upon every thrust, just to be safe.

ignite ice: Everything is a repeat if you read it enough times. Hell, I've read your post about five times now.

You always say that.

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I always ask for written consent upon every thrust, just to be safe.

Me too. Fortunately, my name is God.

ignite ice: If a woman is in a position where it appears that she is consenting to a sexual encounter, then her right to say that she claimed she didn't want it, or her right to claim it was rape after the fact should be revoked. It's pretty simple, a woman should be stating ahead of time whether or not she does or does not want sex. If she doesn't say that she's not interested, it's pretty much implied that it will be consensual when it does happen. She can't later say that it was rape just because she didn't tell him she didn't want it. That's pretty illogical.

The law differs from state to state.

I've read in the past that some states require a verbal affirmation, others, perceived intent is enough.

The patchwork quilt of rape statutes doesn't help matters.

Hell, two friends of mine in high school were both underage, both consented with the other, but after their parents found out they had been having sex, the girl's parents talked her into charging him with statutory rape, and his parents then responded in kind. Talk about a nightmare for both families. I don't believe situations like that are that common though, and I do not believe that false allegations of rape are as common as some people would like you to believe.

All this talk about false allegations serves one purpose, to keep the women (and the men) that have been raped quiet about what happened to them.

You said rape twice.

arethereanybeernamesleft: Me too. Fortunately, my name is God.

Can God create a woman who sleeps so soundly that even he can't wake her up with morning rape?

I'm going to LOL when he dumps his whole archive on the net.

Like no one here enjoys a good wake-n-rape.

You go to bed naked with someone there is a reasonable expectation of sex, if you don't want it don't go to bed together, the women have to take some responsibilty here.

gilgigamesh: Seriously, though, of course they wake up. But I didn't ask first, and without getting too graphic, at least some penetration occurred before they were fully awake and either responsive or not.

I believe even the slightest penetration constitutes rape. If they are not awake when that occurs, they can't consent. Is that rape? And if so, does it then become not-rape when they wake up and let me in?

I believe that in any sexual act involving a man, he is a rapist.

namatad: Woman A met Julian Assange, invited him back to her flat, gave him dinner, went to bed with him, had consensual sex with him. Claims that she woke up to him having sex with her again. This is something which can happen, you know.

so um, WHAT THE fark ???

I have NOT been following this story, in the morning when she woke up, did she say no and he didnt stop?
is all morning sex rape, unless you have both been up and had two cups of coffee?

Time to get a notary and wtinesses before each sex act.

Ummm... if you're sticking your dick in her while she's asleep, I'm thinking that's rape no matter how many times you did it the night before.