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Endive Wombat    [TotalFark]  
I suspect that she will end up winning, and getting a settlement. "Porn is icky and the kids may find photos and videos of you" is not a reason to fire someone. If she had filmed on school property, or actively promoted her work to the kids, that would be one thing...but she didn't.

Does anyone know if the school district, or union agreements have any morality clauses that she violated?

Also, she filmed this stuff before she became a teacher. I think that this will set an interesting legal precedent as time goes on because of the prevalence of smart phones, web cams, stupid girls, and self shot nude photos ending up online, something is going to give. If legal protections or legal precedents are not set, it would not surprise me if a single nude image shot when you were a dumb teen that ended up on the internet somehow prevented you from getting a job as a teacher as time goes on.

For some reason, in this country we hold teachers to crazy moral standards. Strange times we live in...strange times...

04 Nov 2012 07:36 AM
Fear_and_Loathing    [TotalFark]  
Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

04 Nov 2012 08:26 AM
Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.


so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

04 Nov 2012 08:29 AM
OregonVet    [TotalFark]  
Her porn name is Tiffany Six and that about sums it up.
/mehsortofwant.jpg

04 Nov 2012 08:49 AM
FriarReb98    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.

04 Nov 2012 08:57 AM
Fear_and_Loathing    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


I wasn't debating a bad choice, the law probably isn't in her favor.  I was speaking as someone that worked under those rules.  Yes, one mistake can ruin your career.  Or in her case several according to the article.  
 
BTW my science teacher didn't look like that.

04 Nov 2012 08:58 AM
Fear_and_Loathing    [TotalFark]  

FriarReb98: Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.


It isn't a grey area.  She got a Lic. and a contract with requirements, lied when asked about her past, then got removed for cause.  The fact that she is having a hearing means the system works.

04 Nov 2012 09:01 AM
Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

Fear_and_Loathing: FriarReb98: Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.

It isn't a grey area.  She got a Lic. and a contract with requirements, lied when asked about her past, then got removed for cause.  The fact that she is having a hearing means the system works.


Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

slapping a band aide on it and saying 'oh hey well it's all proper and legal' ignores the fact that this woman is being punished for what she did in her past. I don't care if you have a process and follow your checklist...its a rigged game set up to punish people over actions. if you want to hold people to high moral standards that's fine...but don't keep punishing people for past sins. admit that the possibility exists for change and growth and learn to forgive people when they f*ck up and admit it.

04 Nov 2012 09:21 AM
wambu     
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What a 'teachable moment' might look like.

04 Nov 2012 09:33 AM
Fear_and_Loathing    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.


I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

04 Nov 2012 09:33 AM
Endive Wombat    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: if you want to hold people to high moral standards that's fine...but don't keep punishing people for past sins. admit that the possibility exists for change and growth and learn to forgive people when they f*ck up and admit it.


Here is their mentality - "It is Jesus' job to forgive, not mine/society's! You had sex with multiple partners, you were unwed at the time, you had sex in positions other than the missionary position in the dark, the idea of multiple partners is icky to me, ergo you cannot teach my children. Especially my pubescent boys."

04 Nov 2012 09:35 AM
Lsherm    [TotalFark]  

OregonVet: Her porn name is Tiffany Six and that about sums it up.
/mehsortofwant.jpg


She's really, uh, not attractive. Even by porn standards.

04 Nov 2012 09:35 AM
Fear_and_Loathing    [TotalFark]  

Lsherm: OregonVet: Her porn name is Tiffany Six and that about sums it up.
/mehsortofwant.jpg

She's really, uh, not attractive. Even by porn standards.


Neither was my science teacher.

04 Nov 2012 09:39 AM
Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.


so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?

04 Nov 2012 09:45 AM
Lsherm    [TotalFark]  

Fear_and_Loathing: Lsherm: OregonVet: Her porn name is Tiffany Six and that about sums it up.
/mehsortofwant.jpg

She's really, uh, not attractive. Even by porn standards.

Neither was my science teacher.


I was replying to his "mehsortofwant." Was your science teacher in porn, too?

04 Nov 2012 09:48 AM
Lsherm    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?


Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...

04 Nov 2012 09:49 AM
Fear_and_Loathing    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: you are saying that you have to follow the standards

 
Yes.  Pure and simple.  I don't agree with the rules, but she lied.  I don't condone what has happened, but she broke the rules and lied. Lying on a application is fireable. She gets her day.  I think if she is good, she should get her job, while all the male students watch her film career. And giggle.
 
BTW she then accepted a job and lied. So accepted the terms.

 

04 Nov 2012 09:53 AM
jmadisonbiii     
She seems to have had quite a prolific porn career-more than a singe lapse of judgment. Hey, at least she can get a job doing porn.

04 Nov 2012 09:53 AM
doglover    [TotalFark]  
I know more than one porn actress personally. One or two actors, too.

It's not as rare as you think. Shouldn't be admissable like this. It's just a job. Many people leave jobs off their resume. It's not like she was making porn with her students. I leave McDonald's off my resume. She ought to have a right to leave porn off hers.

Also pay teachers (read: me) a living wage and we wouldn't have to take second, third, and often fourth or fifth side jobs to pay for health insurance to treat illness brought on by the stress of five jobs.

04 Nov 2012 10:38 AM
Somacandra    [TotalFark]  

Fear_and_Loathing: Lying on a application is fireable.


I leave McDonald's off my job applications. It was a job too, no more and no less. I don't think its anyone's business if I choose not to tell them. I did nothing illegal, and I can't find anywhere in this story or related stores that Ms. Halas did either. Its none of the Superintendent's business and none of yours, either. Porn stars, current and former are taxpayers too and there is no legal reason to discriminate against her. Its not like she sold weapons to Iran's theocratic regime like President Reagan did.

04 Nov 2012 10:50 AM
Somacandra    [TotalFark]  

Lsherm: Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...


Actually, I understand that was the King of Bahrain.

04 Nov 2012 10:52 AM
Lsherm    [TotalFark]  

Somacandra: Lsherm: Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...

Actually, I understand that was the King of Bahrain.


You know, all the Fark headlines eventually just become word soup in my head. I'm sure I went with goat for that very reason.

04 Nov 2012 11:09 AM
steamingpile     

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


Well that and the fact she lied when asked about it, that is an offense you can get fired for without any action.

04 Nov 2012 11:15 AM
Prey4reign    [TotalFark]  
Who amongst us hasn't had a teacher we wouldn't have loved to see appear in a porn flick?

04 Nov 2012 11:17 AM
Generation_D    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?


no idea. not my problem you dumb punks can't screw without your phones out and recording.

04 Nov 2012 11:18 AM
steamingpile     

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?


This is like the idiots not realizing posting their drunken ramblings in Facebook could have repercussions later.

I saw one person lose a job he was supposed to start and another be denied a promotion for his stupidity.

04 Nov 2012 11:19 AM
Gleeman     

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 630x475]

What a 'teachable moment' might look like.


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04 Nov 2012 11:21 AM
Ouze     
Disgraceful. She shouldn't have to apologize for her legal activities previous to her current job. Why this is even an issue in 2012 is completely beyond me. Same thing goes for Harmony Rose, who got fired from her post-porn paramedic job because of her past.

This is supposed to be America, we don't have scarlet letters. At least, we shouldn't.

04 Nov 2012 11:23 AM
KrispyKritter     

FriarReb98: Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.


good point and a sad truth. the all or nothing mindset is very dangerous broken brain school of thought. right from the get go: no child left behind, zero tolerance, blah blah blah. as long as the parents of school children allow the schools to be operated in this fashion, so it will be. the reds in russia are laughing at us and Hitler in his grave is muttering "job well done!".

the USA is become a damn scary place and the citizens are allowing it to take place. i don't want to imagine what this country will be like in 20 or 50 years. kill me now.

04 Nov 2012 11:23 AM
fozziewazzi     
I'm thinking if this was a guy that did gay porn some of the responses in this thread would be different.

04 Nov 2012 11:25 AM
mpfjr     
At least she has a career to fall back on.

04 Nov 2012 11:25 AM
Lt. Cheese Weasel    [TotalFark]  
I'm gonna have to see this alleged porn to gauge how much outrage is appropriate.

04 Nov 2012 11:27 AM
solokumba     
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04 Nov 2012 11:27 AM
Gleeman     

fozziewazzi: I'm thinking if this was a guy that did gay porn some of the responses in this thread would be different.


Long as he wasn't showing it to the students, or it was interfering with his teaching somehow, I don't see why it would.

04 Nov 2012 11:30 AM
nicoffeine     

fozziewazzi: I'm thinking if this was a guy that did gay porn some of the responses in this thread would be different.


Yeah, like, "what kind of a porn name for a guy is 'Tiffany Six?'"

04 Nov 2012 11:30 AM
Brainsick     

doglover: I know more than one porn actress personally. One or two actors, too.

It's not as rare as you think. Shouldn't be admissable like this. It's just a job. Many people leave jobs off their resume. It's not like she was making porn with her students. I leave McDonald's off my resume. She ought to have a right to leave porn off hers.

Also pay teachers (read: me) a living wage and we wouldn't have to take second, third, and often fourth or fifth side jobs to pay for health insurance to treat illness brought on by the stress of five jobs.


I think you mean "Actors" and "Actress"

/your handle makes me apprehensive yet curious about what kind of porn these people made

04 Nov 2012 11:30 AM
wedun     

steamingpile: Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

Well that and the fact she lied when asked about it, that is an offense you can get fired for without any action.


This is the same reason that Clinton was impeached. There wasn't a partisan agenda or anything, it's just that the law is the law and if you lie then we will destroy you and make sure that you never work a day in this office again.

04 Nov 2012 11:32 AM
fozziewazzi     

Ouze: Disgraceful. She shouldn't have to apologize for her legal activities previous to her current job. Why this is even an issue in 2012 is completely beyond me. Same thing goes for Harmony Rose, who got fired from her post-porn paramedic job because of her past.

This is supposed to be America, we don't have scarlet letters. At least, we shouldn't.


The complication is that taught 7th/8th grade, basically junior high. It was her students that discovered her videos, naturally. Ironically had she been teaching pre-pubescent students this probably would never had turned into an issue. But now I don't see how she can still be a junior high school teacher and not have half of her class paying absolutely no mind to what she's saying.

04 Nov 2012 11:33 AM
Captain Steroid    [TotalFark]  

solokumba: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x222]


We're done here!

04 Nov 2012 11:33 AM
elvindeath     
Things sure have changed since I was in school. I really can't imagine my 60+ year old science teacher getting DP'd and swallowing like a champ.

/ Uh ... had to google. For research purposes.

04 Nov 2012 11:34 AM
Barricaded Gunman     
fozziewazzi: I'm thinking if this was a guy that did gay porn some of the responses in this thread would be different.

Nope, same standard should apply in both cases. I just would've spent less time GIS-ing in your hypothetical scenario.

04 Nov 2012 11:36 AM
MusicMakeMyHeadPound     
I was all ready to be outraged until I read both the article and the original it linked to.

She's being fired for lying. BFD.

04 Nov 2012 11:37 AM
wambu     

Lsherm: Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...


You don't wanna see it. The lighting is terrible and the goat was not that hot.

04 Nov 2012 11:38 AM
Nick Nostril     
Still wondering which will occur first:

1) Society learns to keep their cameras/cell phones off when nekkid/having sex/drunk/etc after seeing the one billionth example of this story

2) Idiocracy attains 100% documentary status

04 Nov 2012 11:38 AM
poe_zlaw     
Anyone looking for  more information on this wonderful lady?

04 Nov 2012 11:39 AM
skinink     

"She's really, uh, not attractive. Even by porn standards."


I'm just curious what is your definition of 'attractive'? She's not Victoria's Secret level beauty but neither is she Hunchback of Notre Dame ugly either. Sometimes from the way Farkers judge beauty I think they would settle for any woman who doesn't step right off som fashion show catwalk.


She has an average face, and by the looks of the videos she's in shape. I must be missing some flaw.


04 Nov 2012 11:40 AM
Abe Vigoda's Ghost    [TotalFark]  
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Apparently she really likes bananas.

04 Nov 2012 11:40 AM
poe_zlaw     
update. Just fapped to it on xvideos. Quite nice. I say we let her teach.

04 Nov 2012 11:41 AM
Toy_Cop     
Porn stars are mentally unstable. We don't need them teaching kids anything.

04 Nov 2012 11:43 AM
jjwars1     

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


Yes. An MIP is all it takes. Throw in anything ethical or morally "wrong," and say bye to your teaching career.

04 Nov 2012 11:44 AM
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