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   Thousands of people live underground in the New York subway system's nooks and they are so off the grid that nobody's even asking whether they survived the hurricane

05 Nov 2012 02:14 AM   |   21896 clicks   |   AlterNet
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Triumph     
I've seen plenty of reporting on all the rats that drowned, though. When the stench gets unbearable down there, they'll just blame the dead rats and move on.

05 Nov 2012 12:59 AM
Ambivalence    [TotalFark]  
I'm sure there are plenty of social workers who are asking. But until they get all that water out there's no way to find out.

05 Nov 2012 01:03 AM
One Bad Apple    [TotalFark]  
CHUDs got 'em

05 Nov 2012 01:07 AM
Triumph     

Ambivalence: I'm sure there are plenty of social workers who are asking


I didn't watch Bloomberg's press conference. Was the issue addressed at all, or was it just questions about the Marathon?

05 Nov 2012 01:12 AM
DanZero    [TotalFark]  
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They're doing just fine

/reinstall!

05 Nov 2012 01:29 AM
Kittypie070    [TotalFark]  
[grieving]

05 Nov 2012 01:34 AM
Somacandra    [TotalFark]  
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"There is no escape from the kingdom of the moles...except that one."

05 Nov 2012 01:42 AM
PreMortem    [TotalFark]  
FTA: It is estimated that there are thousands of people who live in this subterranean world, where they have established cities that live off of the electricity, scavenge the excess of a city that is decadent in its wastefulness, raise children and tend to pets, live and love, and make a civilization [9] where they are the mayors, citizens, doctors, and police.

Source:
The homeless people who live down here are called Mole People. They do not, as many believe, exist in a separate, organized underground society. It's more of a solitary existence and loose-knit community of secretive, hard-luck individuals.


That's just, sensational.

05 Nov 2012 01:47 AM
Somacandra    [TotalFark]  
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/That's the picture that goes with the quote!

05 Nov 2012 01:48 AM
gravebayne2     
these people?

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05 Nov 2012 02:26 AM
skantea     
First thing I thought of when I saw the pictures of the flooded subways. I've seen a number of documentaries about the tunnel dwellers (not all are drug addicts - some are just beaten down by tragic events). They build really elaborate houses down there.
We'll be hearing some pretty horrific stories about them soon I'm guessing.

05 Nov 2012 02:26 AM
davidphogan     
Well, this will prove if that article was made up or not.

05 Nov 2012 02:27 AM
Hermit Tard     
Didn't know about them before...don't care about them now.

Does that make me a bad person?

05 Nov 2012 02:27 AM
filter     
Those mutants evolved-- have gills.


It is as plausible as anything on alternet...

05 Nov 2012 02:27 AM
moothemagiccow     
Last I checked there were a dozen led by a Kenyan goddess

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05 Nov 2012 02:28 AM
kryphon     
That was over the top preachy. I kept thinking "STFU already! I know, they're poor. Got it." Why did that take so long to say in the article.

05 Nov 2012 02:30 AM
noazark     
"Miss Tessmacher, how many other girls do you know with a Park Avenue address like this one?"

"Park Avenue address..? Two hundred feet below..?"

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05 Nov 2012 02:32 AM
Podna     

moothemagiccow: Last I checked there were a dozen led by a Kenyan goddess

[www.uncannyxmen.net image 650x272]


Obama has a sister?

05 Nov 2012 02:32 AM
ModernLuddite     
Unavailable for comment:

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//hotlinky

05 Nov 2012 02:33 AM
Gosling     
I.... don't even really have words for this.

I guess that's part of the problem, though.

05 Nov 2012 02:34 AM
DeadMouseTails     

Triumph: Ambivalence: I'm sure there are plenty of social workers who are asking

I didn't watch Bloomberg's press conference. Was the issue addressed at all, or was it just questions about the Marathon?


Who the hell actually paid attention to what he was saying with Lydia Callis signing right beside him?

skantea: First thing I thought of when I saw the pictures of the flooded subways. I've seen a number of documentaries about the tunnel dwellers (not all are drug addicts - some are just beaten down by tragic events). They build really elaborate houses down there.
We'll be hearing some pretty horrific stories about them soon I'm guessing.


I used to work with a guy years ago who was a mole person. He was just down on his luck and that was the only place he was accepted. He was lucky enough to find his way out, but most don't.

05 Nov 2012 02:34 AM
jigger     
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I don't know about you, but I thought the first episode was hilarious. 

Mighta been the shrooms, though.

05 Nov 2012 02:34 AM
furiousxgeorge     
Can we be frank for a second? Nobody was asking about them every sub-freezing day of every New York winter for the past forever. If we want to think about them, we need to think of crazy things like long term welfare and psychiatric or drug treatment and housing with no questions asked.

05 Nov 2012 02:37 AM
Haliburton Cummings     
first thing i thought of!

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05 Nov 2012 02:39 AM
zulius     
Wasn't there a thread during the storm that asked this same question?

05 Nov 2012 02:42 AM
wildcardjack     

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 600x453]

/That's the picture that goes with the quote!


What's the over/under on an earthquake in the next week? Just the reverse of last year.

Oh, and what episode is that from?

05 Nov 2012 02:43 AM
Apos     
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is unconcerned with the state of his domain.

05 Nov 2012 02:43 AM
sidcart42     
Hey Farkers,

Never trust an article written in this style. The 1920's avenging whistleblower is a sure sign of someone who has very few facts.

It is estimated that there are thousands of people who live in this subterranean world, where they have established cities that live off of the electricity, scavenge the excess of a city that is decadent in its wastefulness, raise children and tend to pets, live and love, and make a civilization [9] where they are the mayors, citizens, doctors, and police.

Look at how many poetic details the author latched onto the word "estimated." This is the shiat bad parodies of hack writers write on HBO shows. The prose launches secondhand sociological critiques at a situation that by definition is unknowable to the writer in any form whatsoever. Doesn't know the people, hasn't met them before or after the storm, has no information about their whereabouts. Yet the author has a lot of important things to say about it.

Yes, there are some people who live down there. People who likely understand the systems in place better than most, from every other rainstorm they've endured. It might be interesting to see what trials they faced and how they managed and what they lost. Like any story from the storm describing the way humans adapt to natural disasters.

But this article is complete farking bullshiat. There's not a single fact in play. Not a source beyond, "hey, don't people live down there? I saw a thing on tv one time.....or was that China? Whatever."

05 Nov 2012 02:43 AM
Haliburton Cummings     

furiousxgeorge: Can we be frank for a second? Nobody was asking about them every sub-freezing day of every New York winter for the past forever. If we want to think about them, we need to think of crazy things like long term welfare and psychiatric or drug treatment and housing with no questions asked.


the new york underground has large steam heated sections and has since Alfred Beach was blowing parts of it up.

the transformers for the subway and other infrastructure create ambient heat as well as the...wait for it...steam vents that run through the city....

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05 Nov 2012 02:44 AM
Huck And Molly Ziegler     
Not to be gruesome, but wouldn't we by now already have seen news reports of dozens of bodies found floating or wedged in tight spaces?

05 Nov 2012 02:44 AM
Mikey1969     
Washed Away? Rescued? What Happened to New York City's "Mole People" During Super Storm Sandy?

A: This says to me that 'Alternet' is asking whether or not they survived.

B: This is the second article I've seen about this in the last 2-3 days, without actually looking to see if there were any stories about it.

05 Nov 2012 02:46 AM
Mikey1969     
I wonder if Lex Luthor's badass hidden lair survived? We could ask Ned Beatty, he might know.

05 Nov 2012 02:47 AM
Haliburton Cummings     

sidcart42: Hey Farkers,

Never trust an article written in this style. The 1920's avenging whistleblower is a sure sign of someone who has very few facts.

It is estimated that there are thousands of people who live in this subterranean world, where they have established cities that live off of the electricity, scavenge the excess of a city that is decadent in its wastefulness, raise children and tend to pets, live and love, and make a civilization [9] where they are the mayors, citizens, doctors, and police.

Look at how many poetic details the author latched onto the word "estimated." This is the shiat bad parodies of hack writers write on HBO shows. The prose launches secondhand sociological critiques at a situation that by definition is unknowable to the writer in any form whatsoever. Doesn't know the people, hasn't met them before or after the storm, has no information about their whereabouts. Yet the author has a lot of important things to say about it.

Yes, there are some people who live down there. People who likely understand the systems in place better than most, from every other rainstorm they've endured. It might be interesting to see what trials they faced and how they managed and what they lost. Like any story from the storm describing the way humans adapt to natural disasters.

But this article is complete farking bullshiat. There's not a single fact in play. Not a source beyond, "hey, don't people live down there? I saw a thing on tv one time.....or was that China? Whatever."


Francis....

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment /item_cBpY2m15R9J0ysIm58QK1M

thats ONE example.

there are documentaries, photo series, books...

have you ever been down there? are you an authority?

nope..

while the article itself may be "hack" your attack on it is laughable...

05 Nov 2012 02:47 AM
Mikey1969     

noazark: "Miss Tessmacher, how many other girls do you know with a Park Avenue address like this one?"

"Park Avenue address..? Two hundred feet below..?"

[yafh.com image 800x450]


Crap, didn't see this before I made my own reference... You win this time.

05 Nov 2012 02:49 AM
Red Shirt Blues    [TotalFark]  
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05 Nov 2012 02:50 AM
ThatDarkFellow     
I care the same amount as I did about the idiots anywhere else that wouldn't leave when there is an evacuation due to extreme weather that will probably kill you if you decide to stay.

05 Nov 2012 02:52 AM
Mikey1969     

Haliburton Cummings: the transformers for the subway and other infrastructure create ambient heat as well as the...wait for it...steam vents that run through the city....


I've seen pictures of these, but I've always wondered just what they heat, and if it's really cost effective, especially how many vents you see blowing off steam, so to speak.

On a different note, are these setups anywhere near as elaborate as the people who live under Vegas have their digs set up?

05 Nov 2012 02:53 AM
unregenerate     

ThatDarkFellow: I care the same amount as I did about the idiots anywhere else that wouldn't leave when there is an evacuation due to extreme weather that will probably kill you if you decide to stay.


Yeah. That homeless bum should have gotten in his car and gotten the hell out. :/

05 Nov 2012 02:55 AM
ArcticFox     
I'm sure they were all taken to safety by a mysterious stranger...

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05 Nov 2012 02:56 AM
ras django     

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 600x453]

/That's the picture that goes with the quote!


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also would have been acceptable.

05 Nov 2012 02:57 AM
albuquerquehalsey     

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Not to be gruesome, but wouldn't we by now already have seen news reports of dozens of bodies found floating or wedged in tight spaces?


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05 Nov 2012 03:00 AM
Freschel     
When I read articles like this, I hear "The International" playing in the background.

05 Nov 2012 03:00 AM
sidcart42     
Francis....

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment /item_cBpY2m15R9J0ysIm58QK1M

thats ONE example.

there are documentaries, photo series, books...

have you ever been down there? are you an authority?

nope..

while the article itself may be "hack" your attack on it is laughable...



No, the attack was valid. There was no information in the "article." It was fiction. It gave a lovely description of the wonderful souls down there, then implied they all drowned, and society is bad. You did notice how I....confirmed that I understood the same basic facts as the author? Like your citation from 3 years ago, with absolutely no information about dealing with storms or this storm that just happened.

If you look at his blog, you will start to understand where the author is coming from. (Hint: Race exists)


So calling my attack "laughable" makes sense only if you're laughing at how easy it is to write maudlin tripe with no information, and with a heavy slant towards vague pessimism about the human condition.

Those communities, to me, represent the opposite mentality. Even in a society with cracks to fall through, survival favors the willing. I'm interested to find out about them in relation to the storm. And I concede that perhaps this bullshiat will inspire a real journalist to follow-up. Which will in some way validate presenting fiction as journalism.

But you can't defend this article as anything but a short story. Which it is.

Tigers exist. But wondering aloud whether they were partially responsible for 9/11 is not journalism.

05 Nov 2012 03:01 AM
Haliburton Cummings     

Mikey1969: Haliburton Cummings: the transformers for the subway and other infrastructure create ambient heat as well as the...wait for it...steam vents that run through the city....

I've seen pictures of these, but I've always wondered just what they heat, and if it's really cost effective, especially how many vents you see blowing off steam, so to speak.

On a different note, are these setups anywhere near as elaborate as the people who live under Vegas have their digs set up?


not familiar with Vegas....

they heat the street which is what they were originally designed for...now con ed (and others) use steam to keep the insulators on cables and all that from freezing and breaking.

when they put trolley cars in (as in Vancouver Canada and San Francisco ) they put an eloborate steam system in to keep snow and such off the tracks. they still heat the streets in Vancouver. dunno about San Fran

05 Nov 2012 03:02 AM
oldtaku     
OMG, who will feed the albino alligators now?

05 Nov 2012 03:02 AM
Kittypie070    [TotalFark]  
furiousxgeorge 2012-11-05 02:37:13 AM

Can we be frank for a second? Nobody was asking about them every sub-freezing day of every New York winter for the past forever.

I know.

This is a "slap in the face to wake the f*ck up, only to find out it's too damned late" moment. 

There aren't going to be any heroic stories coming out of those flooded subway tunnels :(

I'll be looking a bit differently at the streetfolk here from now on.

There has to be something more I can do.

05 Nov 2012 03:03 AM
Haliburton Cummings     

sidcart42: WHHAAARRRGGGBBLLLEEE


you know, if the internet infuriates you so much, you should read more books..

welcome to fark.

you sound like Ted Kasinsky, and coming from me, thats rich.

/sandy vagina
//butthurt
//.your little pony

05 Nov 2012 03:05 AM
Triumph     

sidcart42: Tigers exist. But wondering aloud whether they were partially responsible for 9/11 is not journalism.


What a perfect analogy!

05 Nov 2012 03:07 AM
sidcart42     

Haliburton Cummings: sidcart42: WHHAAARRRGGGBBLLLEEE

you know, if the internet infuriates you so much, you should read more books..

welcome to fark.

you sound like Ted Kasinsky, and coming from me, thats rich.

/sandy vagina
//butthurt
//.your little pony


Haha. I just continued reading your link.....which directly contradicts this article within the first few paragraphs.

I'm also noticing how you seem to be a loose collection of internet cliches. So I'm pretty sure I'm getting punked by a troll-bot.

Anyway, I really did try to address what might have been your issue with my deconstruction of this article. It's a thing people do on the internet sometimes. Like how that James Frey guy got called out for presenting fiction as fact. Or all those other people who did that and also got called out.

Then, after my reply, I noticed that you led with "What are you, an expert?" Which is just so irrelevant to anything I've said that I'm pretty sure you're not reading more than a sentence of my writing.



So....


You have a lovely personality and we should be best friends for life.

05 Nov 2012 03:13 AM
sidcart42     

Triumph: sidcart42: Tigers exist. But wondering aloud whether they were partially responsible for 9/11 is not journalism.

What a perfect analogy!


It was meant more as a funny analogy. Also, if you read the article cited by my new nemesis, it fact checks THIS article remarkably well and more brutally than I did.

So I'm not really sure what the issue is.

05 Nov 2012 03:14 AM
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