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   New Jersey gas station sells gasoline to desperate drivers. Too bad it was mixed with diesel

06 Nov 2012 10:40 AM   |   7192 clicks   |   NJ.com
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ThatGuyGreg     
Shiat happens. Lawsuits will come, insurance will pay the drivers, everyone winds up farked somehow.

06 Nov 2012 09:30 AM
Day_Old_Dutchie     
Reminds me of the days when you needed to mix oil with the gasoline for a putt-putt 2-stroke engine.
The ideal mix was 8 oz oil to a gallon of gas (or something like that).

06 Nov 2012 10:43 AM
Monongahela Misfit     
Pity there aren't engines made to run on any petrol. Oh wait, Military engines. We should all have Omnifuel engines.

WeCantHaveNiceThings.

06 Nov 2012 10:46 AM
iheartscotch     
It's the fuel transport company's fault for not clearing the tank. Also, they switched from diesel to gas; which is a no-no.

06 Nov 2012 10:48 AM
Langdon Alger     
I knew an old timer who would put a shot of diesel in the tank of every brand new (gasoline)truck he bought to, as he would say, "prime it". Truck would smoke like he was selling bar-b-q for miles.

Also, most lawn equipment, dirt-bikes and PWC run on two stroke engines which require the gas/oil mixture.

06 Nov 2012 10:49 AM
eKonk     
I wouldn't expect this to be too big a deal for most cars. A bit more smoke/smell from the exhaust, sure. On the other hand, with all these new-fangled emissions controls and sensors, who knows what might happen to the cars down the road?

06 Nov 2012 10:49 AM
JacksonBryan    [TotalFark]  

eKonk: I wouldn't expect this to be too big a deal for most cars. A bit more smoke/smell from the exhaust, sure. On the other hand, with all these new-fangled emissions controls and sensors, who knows what might happen to the cars down the road?


It's big enough deal that most cars will knock and stall. Depending on how much was mixed and it doesn't take much to alter gasoline.

Diesel is part of the kerosene world, like jet fuel (not AVgas), so it's flashpoint is much higher than gasoline.

06 Nov 2012 10:54 AM
kvinesknows     

eKonk: I wouldn't expect this to be too big a deal for most cars. A bit more smoke/smell from the exhaust, sure. On the other hand, with all these new-fangled emissions controls and sensors, who knows what might happen to the cars down the road?


eh.. the new ones may actually shut down or go into "low power mode" which is of course ridiculous, because as you say more smoke and smell is about all the real "damage" is.

06 Nov 2012 10:55 AM
kvinesknows     

JacksonBryan: eKonk: I wouldn't expect this to be too big a deal for most cars. A bit more smoke/smell from the exhaust, sure. On the other hand, with all these new-fangled emissions controls and sensors, who knows what might happen to the cars down the road?

It's big enough deal that most cars will knock and stall. Depending on how much was mixed and it doesn't take much to alter gasoline.

Diesel is part of the kerosene world, like jet fuel (not AVgas), so it's flashpoint is much higher than gasoline.


yeah.. but how much could it be? a few hundred gallon to a few 1000? it should be fine.

06 Nov 2012 10:56 AM
eKonk     

JacksonBryan: eKonk: I wouldn't expect this to be too big a deal for most cars. A bit more smoke/smell from the exhaust, sure. On the other hand, with all these new-fangled emissions controls and sensors, who knows what might happen to the cars down the road?

It's big enough deal that most cars will knock and stall. Depending on how much was mixed and it doesn't take much to alter gasoline.

Diesel is part of the kerosene world, like jet fuel (not AVgas), so it's flashpoint is much higher than gasoline.


Interesting, I suppose. The only time I've ever put diesel in a gasoline engine was in a 1950 chevy straight 6, and I had only used the diesel to free up some seized pistons. A lot of smoke, it smelled, but overall it wasn't much different from any other chevy from that era.

/The more you know, and all that

06 Nov 2012 10:58 AM
JacksonBryan    [TotalFark]  

kvinesknows:

yeah.. but how much could it be? a few hundred gallon to a few 1000? it should be fine.


Depends really, the article said the tanker still had diesel when it was filled with gasoline...that could mean half/half or 1/4 to half, or since the tanker company probably doesn't know, any of the above.

I think the ECU's in newer cars probably caused a lot of the issues, but the fuel filter may get gummed up, injectors too depending on the mix. An older vehicle may have barely sputtered.

06 Nov 2012 11:01 AM
Jon iz teh kewl     
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sour diesel

06 Nov 2012 11:08 AM
kvinesknows     
mixed diesel

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06 Nov 2012 11:12 AM
Myria     
What does the difference between the fuels do to a gasoline car? Forgive my ignorance...

/not a car girl

06 Nov 2012 11:13 AM
kvinesknows     
one is more processed
one is less processed and more like oil

oil does not burn as well as gas.

think a wood fire... does WET wood burn okay?

06 Nov 2012 11:19 AM
Abe Vigoda's Ghost    [TotalFark]  
This would be more of an issue if gas was introduced into a diesel system.

06 Nov 2012 11:20 AM
cig-mkr     
If I still was driving my old '51 Ford flathead V8, it probably matter. My first car,

06 Nov 2012 11:21 AM
Valiente     
Yet another of the knock-on effects of Hurricane Sandy.

06 Nov 2012 11:22 AM
foxyshadis     

Myria: What does the difference between the fuels do to a gasoline car? Forgive my ignorance...

/not a car girl


Diesel doesn't burn in a gas engine, so it just vaporizes and goes out the tailpipe, if there's enough gas mixture to keep the car going at all. I think something like 20% would overwhelm a carburated engine until it was cleaned out, with fuel injectors I have no idea.

06 Nov 2012 11:24 AM
Amos Quito     

kvinesknows: one is more processed
one is less processed and more like oil



I remember back in the day of the first "oil crisis" (yes, I'm old) diesel was WAY cheaper than gasoline.

These days its WAAAAY more expensive - likely because it is, as you say, less processed, and much cheaper to produce than gasoline.


/God I love big oil

06 Nov 2012 11:24 AM
foxyshadis     

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: This would be more of an issue if gas was introduced into a diesel system.


Don't all modern diesel engines come with knock sensors to prevent outright damage? Otherwise, yeah, good luck salvaging that engine, my mom's BF has lots of stories of new hires doing that.

06 Nov 2012 11:26 AM
Amos Quito     

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: This would be more of an issue if gas was introduced into a diesel system.


THIS.

06 Nov 2012 11:26 AM
kvinesknows     

Amos Quito: kvinesknows: one is more processed
one is less processed and more like oil


I remember back in the day of the first "oil crisis" (yes, I'm old) diesel was WAY cheaper than gasoline.

These days its WAAAAY more expensive - likely because it is, as you say, less processed, and much cheaper to produce than gasoline.


/God I love big oil


yeah.. I still have not bothered enough to look into that.. what the hell is up with that? how did diesel at times come to be just as or more expensive then gas?

06 Nov 2012 11:26 AM
Whistling Kitty Chaser     

Day_Old_Dutchie: Reminds me of the days when you needed to mix oil with the gasoline for a putt-putt 2-stroke engine.
The ideal mix was 8 oz oil to a gallon of gas (or something like that).


You still have to do that for two stroke engines like chainsaws. The ratio varies with the engine, but chainsaws are 50:1.

06 Nov 2012 11:29 AM
cig-mkr     

cig-mkr: If I still was driving my old '51 Ford flathead V8, it probably wouldn't matter. My first car,


just fixing it

06 Nov 2012 11:32 AM
LS1Bird     
You can't even pump your gas in Jersey. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that one of the professional gas attendants did this!

06 Nov 2012 11:33 AM
Marcintosh     
clogged injectors and fuel rail issues and poisoned sensors. Tainted pumps, filters, hoses and lines. Oh forgot about the tank cleaning and the Haz-Mat issue- where to put all that useless poison?

Cars are far better than they were just fifteen years ago but they really need to stay between tolerances or they just give out.
Hope their insurance is solid

06 Nov 2012 11:48 AM
RatOmeter     
Amos Quito and kvinesknows, for what it's worth...

There's almost 5 times as much gasoline available in a barrel of crude oil than diesel. Gasoline also has a lower boiling point, so it'll come out of the fractional distillation process first. On just the face of that data, you might expect gasoline to be *much* cheaper. However, there is some post-distillation processing and blending that will raise the cost, but diesel has some post processing as well. Diesel also has a higher energy density than gasoline at a ratio of 147:125 (diesel:gasoline).  Like I said, for what it's worth.

06 Nov 2012 11:50 AM
Callous    [TotalFark]  

Marcintosh: clogged injectors and fuel rail issues and poisoned sensors. Tainted pumps, filters, hoses and lines. Oh forgot about the tank cleaning and the Haz-Mat issue- where to put all that useless poison?

Cars are far better than they were just fifteen years ago but they really need to stay between tolerances or they just give out.
Hope their insurance is solid


Yea in new cars this ain't gonna be cheap. The parts will be cheap the labor will be expensive.

06 Nov 2012 11:53 AM
The Irresponsible Captain     
Apart from running a little rough? It won't hurt anything. Yeah, I'd complain for a refund, but that's about it. Heck, they put 10%-15% alcohol in there and it hasn't hurt anything.

06 Nov 2012 11:55 AM
The Only Sane Man In Florida     

Monongahela Misfit: Pity there aren't engines made to run on any petrol. Oh wait, Military engines. We should all have Omnifuel engines.

WeCantHaveNiceThings.


They aren't really "nice things".
They make no power and they are noisy, dirty and heavy. Emissions requirements are the primary reasons you'd never see one of them on the market.

06 Nov 2012 11:59 AM
The Only Sane Man In Florida     

foxyshadis: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: This would be more of an issue if gas was introduced into a diesel system.

Don't all modern diesel engines come with knock sensors to prevent outright damage? Otherwise, yeah, good luck salvaging that engine, my mom's BF has lots of stories of new hires doing that.


Knock sensors on a diesel. That's rich.

(diesels run on detonation, gas engines are harmed by detonation)

06 Nov 2012 12:02 PM
Fark Rye For Many Whores     
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06 Nov 2012 12:09 PM
semiotix     

Myria: What does the difference between the fuels do to a gasoline car? Forgive my ignorance...


People have already said what happens (bad shiat) but you might not realize how different the two things are, which might make it clearer as to why bad shiat happens.

Gasoline (as you probably know) is a super-low viscosity liquid that evaporates (or combusts) at very low temperatures. It feels like rubbing alcohol on your skin. Diesel, on the other hand, is basically vegetable oil. In fact, in a pinch, you can USE vegetable oil in your diesel car.* So gasoline will corrode the hell out of your diesel engine--especially the nonmetal parts--while producing almost no power. And diesel would cook itself into a gummy mess all over your gas engine, if you could even get the engine running.**

* Not really. But yes, kind of. But don't.
** dramatization for pedagogical purposes, O Car Guy Farkers, not intended for outraged nitpicking

06 Nov 2012 12:30 PM
Grave_Girl     

LS1Bird: You can't even pump your gas in Jersey. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that one of the professional gas attendants did this!


You're shocked that an attendant pumped what was in the storage tank into cars? Or did you not RTFA and realize it's not a problem anyone at the station caused?

06 Nov 2012 12:32 PM
wambu     
In older cars without engine sensors, you can add 16 oz of diesel to a 16gal tank of gas for a little extra power.

06 Nov 2012 12:50 PM
Tatterdemalian     

kvinesknows: Amos Quito: kvinesknows: I remember back in the day of the first "oil crisis" (yes, I'm old) diesel was WAY cheaper than gasoline.

These days its WAAAAY more expensive - likely because it is, as you say, less processed, and much cheaper to produce than gasoline.

/God I love big oil

yeah.. I still have not bothered enough to look into that.. what the hell is up with that? how did diesel at times come to be just as or more expensive then gas?


"The boat starts to lean port when all the passengers run to the port side, so we order all the passengers to move to starboard. Instead of balancing the boat, it starts leaning starboard instead. Obviously this whole boat was poorly designed and needs to be scuttled before it starts taking water."

/and that's how the oil industry works
//just kidding, it's really all a Jewish Zionist conspiracy

06 Nov 2012 12:54 PM
JesseL     
I expect the biggest issue on most cars would be a clogged catalytic convertor due to all the oil and soot in the exhaust.

06 Nov 2012 12:57 PM
darkscout     

foxyshadis: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: This would be more of an issue if gas was introduced into a diesel system.

Don't all modern diesel engines come with knock sensors to prevent outright damage? Otherwise, yeah, good luck salvaging that engine, my mom's BF has lots of stories of new hires doing that.


Um. No. What is a 'knock' sensor supposed to do? Diesels are in permanent 'knocking'. That's how they run.

Also the diesel fuel lubricates the injection pumps. Running something without the lubricity of diesel is like saying 'bite the pillow, I'm going in dry." It's going to damage stuff on both ends.

06 Nov 2012 01:00 PM
darkscout     

kvinesknows: yeah.. I still have not bothered enough to look into that.. what the hell is up with that? how did diesel at times come to be just as or more expensive then gas?


In 2007 America matched up with Europe with the sulfur requirements of Diesel. You can make more profit distilling in America and shipping it to Europe than selling in the states.

06 Nov 2012 01:02 PM
MythDragon     

Myria: What does the difference between the fuels do to a gasoline car? Forgive my ignorance...

/not a car girl


You need the right fuel for the right car. For instance, 'Redbull' cars only run on regular Redbull, not that diet crap.
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/Myria, pictured above....


CSB:
One time the (ex)wife comes home and says "I put the wrong gas in my car!" Now I am thinking how much it's gonna cost me to clean the tank and engine of the diesel. I ask "What kind of gas did you put in there" '91' "Oh, really? Okay, just keep using 87 and don't use 91 any more" 'Why? What will happen?' "Your engine will explode if you do it again. Just use 87."

06 Nov 2012 01:06 PM
myrrh     

Monongahela Misfit: Pity there aren't engines made to run on any petrol. Oh wait, Military engines. We should all have Omnifuel engines.

WeCantHaveNiceThings.


DRMO auctions. Get yourself a Deuce and a Half.

06 Nov 2012 01:37 PM
Amos Quito     

Tatterdemalian: kvinesknows: Amos Quito: kvinesknows: I remember back in the day of the first "oil crisis" (yes, I'm old) diesel was WAY cheaper than gasoline.

These days its WAAAAY more expensive - likely because it is, as you say, less processed, and much cheaper to produce than gasoline.

/God I love big oil

yeah.. I still have not bothered enough to look into that.. what the hell is up with that? how did diesel at times come to be just as or more expensive then gas?

"The boat starts to lean port when all the passengers run to the port side, so we order all the passengers to move to starboard. Instead of balancing the boat, it starts leaning starboard instead. Obviously this whole boat was poorly designed and needs to be scuttled before it starts taking water."

/and that's how the oil industry works
//just kidding, it's really all a Jewish Zionist conspiracy



LOL!

Read that, Tatterdemalian. It'll tickle your matzos.

06 Nov 2012 01:44 PM
metal_gear     

MythDragon: Myria: What does the difference between the fuels do to a gasoline car? Forgive my ignorance...

/not a car girl

You need the right fuel for the right car. For instance, 'Redbull' cars only run on regular Redbull, not that diet crap.
[lolpics.se image 427x640]
/Myria, pictured above....


CSB:
One time the (ex)wife comes home and says "I put the wrong gas in my car!" Now I am thinking how much it's gonna cost me to clean the tank and engine of the diesel. I ask "What kind of gas did you put in there" '91' "Oh, really? Okay, just keep using 87 and don't use 91 any more" 'Why? What will happen?' "Your engine will explode if you do it again. Just use 87."



... what the f*** is in that stuff?!?!? O_o

06 Nov 2012 02:15 PM
WelldeadLink    [TotalFark]  

Marcintosh: Oh forgot about the tank cleaning and the Haz-Mat issue- where to put all that useless poison?


I'd try to put it in a refinery.

/crude humor

06 Nov 2012 02:25 PM
LS1Bird     

Grave_Girl: LS1Bird: You can't even pump your gas in Jersey. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that one of the professional gas attendants did this!

You're shocked that an attendant pumped what was in the storage tank into cars? Or did you not RTFA and realize it's not a problem anyone at the station caused?


Hell no I didn't read the article. Who does that?

06 Nov 2012 03:53 PM
Jon iz teh kewl     
blows your mind drastically phantasmagorikally

06 Nov 2012 04:11 PM
Loaf's Tray     

Marcintosh: clogged injectors and fuel rail issues and poisoned sensors. Tainted pumps, filters, hoses and lines. Oh forgot about the tank cleaning and the Haz-Mat issue- where to put all that useless poison?

Cars are far better than they were just fifteen years ago but they really need to stay between tolerances or they just give out.
Hope their insurance is solid


WHOA-OH-OH-OH-OH-OH!

06 Nov 2012 04:14 PM
Ivo Shandor    [TotalFark]  

semiotix: Diesel, on the other hand, is basically vegetable oil. In fact, in a pinch, you can USE vegetable oil in your diesel car.*


* Unless it's a modern clean one like my VW Jetta, which won't even take biodiesel blends above 5%.

06 Nov 2012 04:22 PM
rwfan     
Why does diesel cost more than gasoline?

Supply and demand for one. Refiners crack oil now to produce more gasoline. That technology increases the supply of gas but decreases the supply of diesel.

Two it's not the same diesel. Since about 2003 we use ultra low sulfur diesel and it costs money to remove the sulfur.

Three federal and some state road taxes are higher for diesel.

But other than that, yeah zionist conspiracy. [ibetthejooooozdidthis.jpg]

06 Nov 2012 05:15 PM
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