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06 Nov 2012 11:56 AM   |   10903 clicks   |   IndyStar
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serial_crusher    [TotalFark]  

Diogenes: [cmsimg.indystar.com image 615x410]
Black people and a hippie with a ponytail? Of course the machines failed.


FTFA: The cards had been reset using a demonstration voting machine, instead of an actual machine, causing the problem, Richardson said.

Human error is not evidence of a robocalypse, and from the looks of things it's probably not a human-originated conspiracy unless the black guy was involved in it (ok, maybe the shady white dude in the trench coat)

06 Nov 2012 10:23 AM
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Diogenes    [TotalFark]  

serial_crusher: Diogenes: [cmsimg.indystar.com image 615x410]
Black people and a hippie with a ponytail? Of course the machines failed.

FTFA: The cards had been reset using a demonstration voting machine, instead of an actual machine, causing the problem, Richardson said.

Human error is not evidence of a robocalypse, and from the looks of things it's probably not a human-originated conspiracy unless the black guy was involved in it (ok, maybe the shady white dude in the trench coat)


Yeah, I was just having a bit of fun. This looks like pure human error, favoring no one.

06 Nov 2012 10:29 AM
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FizixJunkee     
The greater good.

06 Nov 2012 11:59 AM
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Citrate1007     
Doesn't Romney own stock in the company that makes those machines?

06 Nov 2012 11:59 AM
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Marine1     
You know what almost always works?

Paper ballots going into a scantron machine.

But OMG COMPUTORZ.

06 Nov 2012 12:01 PM
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DrPainMD     
The malfunctioning and outright rigging of voting machines is a good thing. Now, we can all stop pretending that elections are honest and fair. They're not, and never have been.

06 Nov 2012 12:01 PM
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gingerjet     
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence

/i'm just going to use that quote all day

06 Nov 2012 12:01 PM
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tonyfo98     
The greater good...

/Not Judge Judy, an executioner.

06 Nov 2012 12:01 PM
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fruitloop    [TotalFark]  

FizixJunkee: The greater good.


Where's my super suit?

06 Nov 2012 12:02 PM
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BobCumbers     
I'll say it again. Whichever side cheats best will win.
/probably the R's
//Obama is from Illinois though
/// Will be fun to watch

06 Nov 2012 12:03 PM
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belgianguy     

06 Nov 2012 12:03 PM
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Hoboclown     
This happened to me when I voted earlier:

www.heyokay.com

06 Nov 2012 12:04 PM
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ArkPanda     

Marine1: You know what almost always works?

Paper ballots going into a scantron machine.

But OMG COMPUTORZ.


Actually the scantron machine at my precinct (in Little Rock, AR) was broken this morning. But they just put the ballots in an old school ballot box to be scanned later.

06 Nov 2012 12:04 PM
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The Only Sane Man In Florida     

Marine1: You know what almost always works?

Paper ballots going into a scantron machine.

But OMG COMPUTORZ.


From my college experience, scantron machines are as temperamental as Florida's punchcard voting system circa 2000.

06 Nov 2012 12:04 PM
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TofuTheAlmighty     

gingerjet: Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence


Republicans have more than amply demonstrated their malice and contempt for voting rights.

06 Nov 2012 12:06 PM
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YouPeopleAreCrazy     
...a programming snafu required a last-minute update was needed for about 500 machines in 150 polling places.

Sorry, but no. Those machines should have been taken completely out of service, and then fall back on some other system. Paper, for instance.

Far too easy to inject malicious, unverified code into the system at that point.

/no last minute updates, ever
//even better, how about no electronic voting, ever

06 Nov 2012 12:06 PM
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Arachnophobe     

FizixJunkee: The greater good.


i1126.photobucket.com
Approves.

06 Nov 2012 12:07 PM
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Jim_Callahan     

Marine1: You know what almost always works?

Paper ballots going into a scantron machine.

But OMG COMPUTORZ.


Um... scantrons fail as often or more often than most forms of electronic voting. Punch-card readers fail significantly more often than either. Also, a scantron reader is a computer, numbnuts.

These are, in fact, one of the reasons that we've been switching to computerized ballots, along with irregularities in the procedure being easier to identify and track and there being a better, albeit less literal, paper trail (stick some extra paper ballots in the box? No one will ever know. Alter the numbers in a machine? "File last edited on:"...).

Basically, while you're entitled to your own (moronic luddite) opinion, you don't get your own facts. fark off.

06 Nov 2012 12:12 PM
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WinoRhino     
FTFA: All the machines were fixed by 7:25 a.m

What's the definition of "fix" here?

06 Nov 2012 12:15 PM
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ObscureNameHere     

fruitloop: FizixJunkee: The greater good.

Where's my super suit?


A Broadisde Battlesuit, a StealthSuit or just a plain ol' Crisis Suit?

06 Nov 2012 12:20 PM
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Karac    [TotalFark]  

Jim_Callahan: Marine1: You know what almost always works?

Paper ballots going into a scantron machine.

But OMG COMPUTORZ.

Um... scantrons fail as often or more often than most forms of electronic voting. Punch-card readers fail significantly more often than either. Also, a scantron reader is a computer, numbnuts.

These are, in fact, one of the reasons that we've been switching to computerized ballots, along with irregularities in the procedure being easier to identify and track and there being a better, albeit less literal, paper trail (stick some extra paper ballots in the box? No one will ever know. Alter the numbers in a machine? "File last edited on:"...).


So get a couple of sheriff's deputies to provide security over the ballot boxes. Toss a couple locking points on there as well and let the local democratic and republican chiefs put their own padlocks on it. I for one believe that America is exceptional enough that we can count up check marks in a reasonable amount of time.

06 Nov 2012 12:20 PM
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Day_Old_Dutchie     
It's not the machines - it's people that slow things up.

You know the ones if you get stuck behind one for an ATM or in the self-checkout lone. They need to hunt and peck those keys every time.

80286 brains in a Core i7 world.

06 Nov 2012 12:25 PM
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Kittypie070     
Start shooting the programmers?

or start shooting the machines...?

06 Nov 2012 12:30 PM
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slayer199    [TotalFark]  
hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com

The greater good. The greater good. The greater good.

06 Nov 2012 12:37 PM
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Badgers     
www.dmuth.org

/Don't you hate it when the voting machine transforms into a robot and gives you a prostate exam... 
//The prostate was fine
///Timmy still couldn't sit for a week

06 Nov 2012 12:40 PM
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Zeb Hesselgresser     

ArkPanda: Marine1: You know what almost always works?

Paper ballots going into a scantron machine.

But OMG COMPUTORZ.

Actually the scantron machine at my precinct (in Little Rock, AR) was broken this morning. But they just put the ballots in an old school ballot box to be scanned later.


sure they did

06 Nov 2012 12:42 PM
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offmymeds     

ObscureNameHere: fruitloop: FizixJunkee: The greater good.

Where's my super suit?

A Broadisde Battlesuit, a StealthSuit or just a plain ol' Crisis Suit?


XV22 Battlesuit FTW!

06 Nov 2012 12:44 PM
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chandie     
The greater good.

06 Nov 2012 12:48 PM
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Bf+     
i.ytimg.com

06 Nov 2012 12:48 PM
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Flakeloaf     

Jim_Callahan: Marine1: You know what almost always works?

Paper ballots going into a scantron machine.

But OMG COMPUTORZ.

Um... scantrons fail as often or more often than most forms of electronic voting. Punch-card readers fail significantly more often than either. Also, a scantron reader is a computer, numbnuts.

These are, in fact, one of the reasons that we've been switching to computerized ballots, along with irregularities in the procedure being easier to identify and track and there being a better, albeit less literal, paper trail (stick some extra paper ballots in the box? No one will ever know. Alter the numbers in a machine? "File last edited on:"...).

Basically, while you're entitled to your own (moronic luddite) opinion, you don't get your own facts. fark off.


You first. It's quite easy to know if paper ballots have been added or removed if they're all serialized, and if the machine that anlyses the results (two people pulling the ballots out of the box, agreeing on what their marking is and adding 1 to a number) fails, we have many others ready to take their place.

Our federal elections use pencil marks on paper and the only reason the results take hours is because we have to respect the electoral process in other time zones. There's no reason why all of Canada can routinely and easily get a straight answer to a simple question and a single US state cannot.

06 Nov 2012 12:49 PM
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gingerjet     

TofuTheAlmighty: Republicans have more than amply demonstrated their malice and contempt for voting rights.


I don't disagree. However - election problems are almost always due to incompetence rather than someone deliberately trying to rig an election by fark'n with voting machines.

/which is why elections should be as simple as possible - pencil and paper biatches

06 Nov 2012 12:57 PM
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Smeggy Smurf     

YouPeopleAreCrazy: ...a programming snafu required a last-minute update was needed for about 500 machines in 150 polling places.

Sorry, but no. Those machines should have been taken completely out of service, and then fall back on some other system. Paper, for instance.

Far too easy to inject malicious, unverified code into the system at that point.

/no last minute updates, ever
//even better, how about no electronic voting, ever


Iraq had it right when they started using the purple ink on the finger. It's so simple even a Democrat can do it

06 Nov 2012 01:03 PM
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Firethorn     

Jim_Callahan: These are, in fact, one of the reasons that we've been switching to computerized ballots, along with irregularities in the procedure being easier to identify and track and there being a better, albeit less literal, paper trail (stick some extra paper ballots in the box? No one will ever know. Alter the numbers in a machine? "File last edited on:"...).

Basically, while you're entitled to your own (moronic luddite) opinion, you don't get your own facts. fark off.


I've read the system analysis for a number of full-electronic voting systems. Their paper trails and security did not impress me. There were FUBARS like the system automatically copying the vote table and using one table for overall counts and another for regional. Just seems tailer made for vote fraud.

I'm still in the camp of paper ballot scanned by automatic machine. Because it's done in batches, if there's any question you can immediately become very granular in your investigation, and machine failure allows you to use a different machine or just hand count that box.

06 Nov 2012 01:03 PM
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Sandwyrm     
Xenos scum.

06 Nov 2012 01:06 PM
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Englebert Slaptyback     

slayer199


The greater good. The greater good. The greater good.


SHUT IT!

06 Nov 2012 01:12 PM
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suburbanguy     

Citrate1007: Doesn't Romney own stock in the company that makes those machines?


A lot of voting machines (and ATMs) are made by Diebold - which is publicly traded - so a lot of people own stock in it.

/Owns DBD stock
//Voted for Obama

06 Nov 2012 01:30 PM
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mrtk421     
I got to my polling place around 5:45 am. Was #6 in line. Our machines didn't get fixed until around 6:45 am. Not a big problem in my precinct. My boss however, took him almost 2 hours to get his vote in.

06 Nov 2012 01:34 PM
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Gyrfalcon     
Ah, so this is the day Skynet becomes self-aware.

06 Nov 2012 01:37 PM
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fickle floridian     
3.bp.blogspot.com

06 Nov 2012 01:41 PM
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profplump     

gingerjet: /which is why elections should be as simple as possible - pencil and paper biatches


Unless you're blind. Or don't read English. Or have trouble getting to a polling place. Or the person reading your ballot misunderstands your mark. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Paper is the traditional choice, but it's not one we made given the modern alternatives and decided was best, it's just the only one that existed when we started voting. It might be the right choice, but don't fall into the logical trap of assuming there are no problems with the old method just because people have noticed problems with the new method.

There's huge value in using an electronic user interface. It can support multiple languages, audio/video/braille/etc. interfaces, produces unambiguous output, can be displayed on a portable computer for improved mobility, etc. And it does all this in a single standardized form so you don't have to come up with 100 different special-access voting systems and rules about who can use them and how they are counted. That's not to say it couldn't be done wrong, but that's not a risk unique to an electronic UI -- there are plenty of confusing paper ballots in use right now.

Where we do agree is that there should be some permanent, audit-able, non-electronic record of your ballot. There's no reason the electronic machine couldn't spit out a fraking piece of paper that displays your votes in an unambiguous human-and-machine-readable format. It could keep a tally internally but it would be trivial to externally verify that tally if you had any reason to doubt it (and even just as a spot check). It could even give you a second, cryptographically signed record that you can take home -- it would then be possible for people outside the government to officially audit election results, at least if the populous was willing to cooperate.

/ Also, stop making people stand in line to vote. We have the technology and infrastructure (mail, Internet, etc.) to avoid those hassles and restrictions.

06 Nov 2012 01:46 PM
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doubled99     
VOTE ROBOT IN 2012

06 Nov 2012 01:51 PM
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soporific     
Will they then be taking care of the hoodies and the living statue?

06 Nov 2012 01:55 PM
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UNAUTHORIZED FINGER     

suburbanguy: /Owns DBD stock
//Voted for Obama


That's what YOU think.

06 Nov 2012 01:59 PM
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trappedspirit     
Once people made it to the voting booth, there were plenty of important races to sort through,...

Thanks, affirmative action!

06 Nov 2012 02:04 PM
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JackieRabbit     
According to the AJC, as of 1:30 pm, there have been 35,000 complaints made to the federal voter problem hotline.

06 Nov 2012 02:14 PM
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Gyrfalcon     

JackieRabbit: According to the AJC, as of 1:30 pm, there have been 35,000 complaints made to the federal voter problem hotline.


What's the average per election?

06 Nov 2012 02:24 PM
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JackieRabbit     

Gyrfalcon: JackieRabbit: According to the AJC, as of 1:30 pm, there have been 35,000 complaints made to the federal voter problem hotline.

What's the average per election?


I don't know. I was wondering that myself. Not finding much on the net...

06 Nov 2012 02:29 PM
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JonathanChance     

Badgers: [www.dmuth.org image 640x480]

/Don't you hate it when the voting machine transforms into a robot and gives you a prostate exam... 
//The prostate was fine
///Timmy still couldn't sit for a week


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

06 Nov 2012 02:37 PM
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Orgasmatron138     

tonyfo98: The greater good...

/Not Judge Judy, an executioner.


....crusty jugglers......

06 Nov 2012 02:43 PM
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BalugaJoe    [TotalFark]  
upload.wikimedia.org

06 Nov 2012 02:49 PM
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