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   Long Island Power's slow response to Sandy came after warnings as far back as 2006 that it was unprepared to handle a major storm, failed to upgrade antiquated technology, neglected vital maintenance and regularly underbudgeted for storm response

09 Nov 2012 09:46 PM   |   3594 clicks   |   Newsday
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RedPhoenix122    [TotalFark]  
But this was an isolated incident. It couldn't be part of a trend when cutting the budget to essential services.

09 Nov 2012 08:42 PM
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SlappyKincaid     
This appears to be a trend with our aging infrastructure.

We know things need to be updated but we choose to put our resources into something else.

-The levies in New Orleans.
-That bridge in Minneapolis that collapsed due to lack of maintenance
-Half of the New England seaboard apparently.

We always just seem to forget these things until it's too late.

It's a shame and a problem!

09 Nov 2012 09:13 PM
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Mark Ratner    [TotalFark]  
Then the rates would go up, and people would biatch about that too.

09 Nov 2012 09:28 PM
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phrawgh     
Mitt would have already solved this issue using corporate funds.

09 Nov 2012 09:49 PM
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Indubitably     
Blah-blah-blah.

Get your ladders out.

Power companies: share your technological knowledge.

I know a thousand handy folks who could help.

Help is help ion a crisis.

Word.

09 Nov 2012 09:49 PM
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signaljammer     
God bless FDR for introducing the term 'natural monopoly.'

09 Nov 2012 09:50 PM
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gingerjet     

SlappyKincaid: -That bridge in Minneapolis that collapsed due to lack of maintenance


The 35W bridge didn't collapse due to lack of maintenance. It collapsed because of a design flaw that was overlooked in inspections and a few tons of extra weight put on the bridge while ... get this ... doing maintenance.

/and unlike - say New York City - we can rebuild shiat in under a decade

09 Nov 2012 09:50 PM
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maxx2112     
I blame Bush.

09 Nov 2012 09:51 PM
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ZAZ    [TotalFark]  
Utilities hate doing overhead-type work. Not overhead as in elevation, but as in part of the cost of doing business that doesn't lead to revenue. In my area they hate to remove old utility poles. Unless the pole falls down and hurts somebody it costs nothing. Removing a pole costs money. Relocating poles costs money. Shutting off gas service to a house awaiting demolition costs money.

They will do maintenance like tree trimming that helps reduce costs in the 1-5 year timeframe.

09 Nov 2012 09:55 PM
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apacheco     
Wow are Ny'ers finally wondering where all their high ass tax money has been going

09 Nov 2012 09:56 PM
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W.C.fields forever    [TotalFark]  
Have not been back in 26 years..I lived a coupla miles from the LILCO stacks.
Those were old then. They had waaaaay to much time to ...never mind..

09 Nov 2012 09:56 PM
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Gyrfalcon     
And this is a surprise to anyone because?

09 Nov 2012 09:56 PM
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MechaDupek     
I blame Bush AND laugh at Romney.

09 Nov 2012 09:57 PM
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SlappyKincaid     

gingerjet: SlappyKincaid: -That bridge in Minneapolis that collapsed due to lack of maintenance

The 35W bridge didn't collapse due to lack of maintenance. It collapsed because of a design flaw that was overlooked in inspections and a few tons of extra weight put on the bridge while ... get this ... doing maintenance.

/and unlike - say New York City - we can rebuild shiat in under a decade


I'm sorry. I could be remembering wrong. I thought that they learned that years before on routine inspection and then failed to correct, which, in my eyes, is a maintenance failure at that point.

09 Nov 2012 09:57 PM
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BigNumber12     
They didn't give their employees iPads?! CRUCIFY THEM!!

09 Nov 2012 10:01 PM
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Cosmic J     

gingerjet: SlappyKincaid: -That bridge in Minneapolis that collapsed due to lack of maintenance

The 35W bridge didn't collapse due to lack of maintenance. It collapsed because of a design flaw that was overlooked in inspections and a few tons of extra weight put on the bridge while ... get this ... doing maintenance.

/and unlike - say New York City - we can rebuild shiat in under a decade


Thank you.

And one really good reason for not making improvements is that people won't pay for them. Like in the thread the other day where people were wondering why the powerlines aren't buried so the winds can't knock them down. It's farking expensive and people will almost always go for the cheapest option.

09 Nov 2012 10:01 PM
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philotech     
We need to ditch the unions to get costs under control and actually get an honest days work out of the employees...

09 Nov 2012 10:02 PM
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UsikFark    [TotalFark]  

apacheco: Wow are Ny'ers finally wondering where all their high ass tax money has been going


Retrofitting public buildings to support fatter politicians and lobbyists?

09 Nov 2012 10:02 PM
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Fissile     

SlappyKincaid: This appears to be a trend with our aging infrastructure.

We know things need to be updated but we choose to put our resources into something else.

-The levies in New Orleans.
-That bridge in Minneapolis that collapsed due to lack of maintenance
-Half of the New England seaboard apparently.

We always just seem to forget these things until it's too late.

It's a shame and a problem!


==================

New York and New Jersey are not New England.

09 Nov 2012 10:03 PM
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randomjsa     
It's Obama's fault.

Everything that went wrong in Katrina was Bush's fault, so this is Obama's fault. Period. People are suffering and aren't getting the help they need. You can't blame anyone except Obama.

09 Nov 2012 10:03 PM
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smitty04     

SlappyKincaid: This appears to be a trend with our aging infrastructure.

We know things need to be updated but we choose to put our resources into something else.

-The levies in New Orleans.
-That bridge in Minneapolis that collapsed due to lack of maintenance
-Half of the New England seaboard apparently.

We always just seem to forget these things until it's too late.

It's a shame and a problem!


Not to worry, our government will come to the rescue when things get really bad.

09 Nov 2012 10:04 PM
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Gyrfalcon     

Cosmic J: gingerjet: SlappyKincaid: -That bridge in Minneapolis that collapsed due to lack of maintenance

The 35W bridge didn't collapse due to lack of maintenance. It collapsed because of a design flaw that was overlooked in inspections and a few tons of extra weight put on the bridge while ... get this ... doing maintenance.

/and unlike - say New York City - we can rebuild shiat in under a decade

Thank you.

And one really good reason for not making improvements is that people won't pay for them. Like in the thread the other day where people were wondering why the powerlines aren't buried so the winds can't knock them down. It's farking expensive and people will almost always go for the cheapest option.


Yep.

I guarantee you that, now that the maintenance problem has been raised, three things will happen, in this order

1. People will scream in outrage, demanding that everything be upgraded, maintained, etc.
2. Local pols will develop a new budget, calling for an increase in sales, property or whatever relevant tax is needed to meet need in #1.
3. Tax will go on next ballot, and be voted down by people, who don't want any more taxes.

Then things will go on as before, until the next storm. Then everything will fall down again.

09 Nov 2012 10:04 PM
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austin_millbarge     

philotech: We need to ditch the unions to get costs under control and actually get an honest days work out of the employees...


Yup it's ALWAYS the union's fault.

/and the brainwashing continues

09 Nov 2012 10:04 PM
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frymeupasteak     
"barack obama hates white people" kanye east

09 Nov 2012 10:05 PM
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philotech     
From experience, Union work is always over budget and behind schedule... Ditch the unions and you get the work done twice as fast for half the price... The only drawback is you get a bunch of lazy dicks sitting next to an inflatable rat drinking coffee and reading newspapers all day.

09 Nov 2012 10:06 PM
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Cosmic J     

SlappyKincaid: gingerjet: SlappyKincaid: -That bridge in Minneapolis that collapsed due to lack of maintenance

The 35W bridge didn't collapse due to lack of maintenance. It collapsed because of a design flaw that was overlooked in inspections and a few tons of extra weight put on the bridge while ... get this ... doing maintenance.

/and unlike - say New York City - we can rebuild shiat in under a decade

I'm sorry. I could be remembering wrong. I thought that they learned that years before on routine inspection and then failed to correct, which, in my eyes, is a maintenance failure at that point.


They found weaknesses but the cause for them, poorly designed gusset plates, was not known at the time. Inspections said it was structurally deficient but not in imminent danger of collapse.

09 Nov 2012 10:06 PM
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Representative of the unwashed masses     
*cracks knuckles*

This is all part of Fartbongos plan to get all of the god loving REAL AMERICANS to have smart meters installed so he knows when we are cooking bacon so he can round us up to send us to FEMA deathcamps with as little opposition as possible.

/how was that?
//descent is the highest form of patriotic

09 Nov 2012 10:07 PM
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SlappyKincaid     

Fissile:

New York and New Jersey are not New England.


I stand corrected!

I always thought they were! What is New England then?

09 Nov 2012 10:07 PM
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thomas666     
I blame the GOP. Really. Esp Grover Northbutt...

09 Nov 2012 10:08 PM
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SlappyKincaid     

Cosmic J:

They found weaknesses but the cause for them, poorly designed gusset plates, was not known at the time. Inspections said it was structurally deficient but not in imminent danger of collapse.


I guess that were horribly wrong.

Thanks for correcting that. I was apparently incorrect!

09 Nov 2012 10:09 PM
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Boxcutta     

maxx2112: I blame Bush.


Hilarious. In all seriousness, however, this is another fine example of the libertarian paradise where the private market takes care of essential services without flaw; the federal government is essentially useless; and upgrades to our infrastructure are a waste of our precious tax payer dollars.

09 Nov 2012 10:09 PM
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smitty04     

SlappyKincaid: Fissile:

New York and New Jersey are not New England.

I stand corrected!

I always thought they were! What is New England then?


www.msaawareness.org

09 Nov 2012 10:13 PM
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kkinnison     

maxx2112: I blame Bush.


no no no. Blame obama for not looking into his crystal ball and using a weather machine to create storms and hurricanes to cause all these problems

09 Nov 2012 10:13 PM
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snark puppet     
Good thing we spent all that stimulus money on upgrading the infrastructure, or this could have been worse.

09 Nov 2012 10:13 PM
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Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo     
There are certainly some basic services that need a fix to the way they are provided. Cellular service is a joke, to keep out competition everybody owns their own towers. The government should control all the towers, paid for by part of the fee on anybody who uses them. Let the companies bid to provide service over the same network. The current system of 3-4 towers on every hill is moronic.

09 Nov 2012 10:14 PM
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maxx2112     

Boxcutta: maxx2112: I blame Bush.

Hilarious. In all seriousness, however, this is another fine example of the libertarian paradise where the private market takes care of essential services without flaw; the federal government is essentially useless; and upgrades to our infrastructure are a waste of our precious tax payer dollars.


FTFA: LIPA neglected basic maintenance to prevent outages, such as replacing rotting poles and trimming trees around power lines, according to a state report released by the Public Service Commission's Public Service Department in June. The $3.7 billion-a-year government-owned corporation spent $37.5 million less than committed over five years on hardening the grid to protect against major storm damage, according to the report.

09 Nov 2012 10:14 PM
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GORDON     

Mark Ratner: Then the rates would go up, and people would biatch about that too.


Rates are going to go up anyway, war on coal, and all. I'm curious... what economic sector of the population is hurt most by higher energy costs?

09 Nov 2012 10:14 PM
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Gergesa     
Who is paying needs to be on the forefront of people's minds.

09 Nov 2012 10:16 PM
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Indubitably     
The tech to help isn't rocket science: help/

09 Nov 2012 10:16 PM
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GORDON     

randomjsa: It's Obama's fault.

Everything that went wrong in Katrina was Bush's fault, so this is Obama's fault. Period. People are suffering and aren't getting the help they need. You can't blame anyone except Obama.


Yeah but he said he was going to cut through the red tape, while he was still campaigning.

09 Nov 2012 10:16 PM
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fluffy2097     

SlappyKincaid: This appears to be a trend with our aging infrastructure.

We know things need to be updated but we choose to put our resources into something else.




Most of the bridges in America are rated structurally deficient and are on the verge of having weight restrictions implemented upon them.

news.bbc.co.uk

Many older cities like NYC also still have a steam infrastructure too that is not properly maintained

www.utilityplantsolutions.com

Hell. Even when we have brand new infrastructure, it usually isn't built properly.

www.openmarket.org

/enjoy your commute

09 Nov 2012 10:16 PM
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Indubitably     

Indubitably: The tech to help isn't rocket science: help/


Move past your patents.

Help your people.

09 Nov 2012 10:17 PM
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SlappyKincaid     

smitty04:

[www.msaawareness.org image 599x516]


Excellent pic. Thanks!

09 Nov 2012 10:17 PM
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special20    [TotalFark]  
fartbongo.....right?

09 Nov 2012 10:18 PM
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Indubitably     

special20: fartbongo.....right?


Define your terms.

09 Nov 2012 10:19 PM
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SlappyKincaid     

fluffy2097: SlappyKincaid: This appears to be a trend with our aging infrastructure.

We know things need to be updated but we choose to put our resources into something else.



Most of the bridges in America are rated structurally deficient and are on the verge of having weight restrictions implemented upon them.

[news.bbc.co.uk image 400x550]

Many older cities like NYC also still have a steam infrastructure too that is not properly maintained

[www.utilityplantsolutions.com image 351x450]

Hell. Even when we have brand new infrastructure, it usually isn't built properly.

[www.openmarket.org image 508x333]

/enjoy your commute




Enjoy it indeed. Kinda scary. I drive on Chicago Interstates all the time!

09 Nov 2012 10:20 PM
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netcentric     
Hey, hey...those cold people in the dark right now feel awful friggin' good right now. They didn't drink any large softdrinks for weeks so they are now healthy and happy.

Polluted water, unsanitary houses, mold????

who cares, they sleep better tonight knowing when they someday get some gas, they will get a small coke and really, that is what is important.

09 Nov 2012 10:20 PM
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UsikFark    [TotalFark]  

smitty04: SlappyKincaid: Fissile:

New York and New Jersey are not New England.

I stand corrected!

I always thought they were! What is New England then?

[www.msaawareness.org image 599x516]


Coincidentally, York is in England and Jersey "has an international identity separate from that of the UK but the United Kingdom is constitutionally responsible for the [defense] of Jersey."

09 Nov 2012 10:21 PM
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Lt_Ryan     

apacheco: Wow are Ny'ers finally wondering where all their high ass tax money has been going


Down the Hudson and out to sea. There is a dedicated website showing where a lot of the money goes.

This is typical New York State Government, they pass laws all the time that require private (businesses and non-profits) to do certain things but then exclude state and local government from the same rules. If you are going to have oversight for one why not the other. This isn't the case of a private utility skimping on maintenance and turning a huge profit, it is a public entity. If you are going to set standards for a private utility the same regulations should apply to a public one as well.

Another great example is the NY Wage Theft Prevention Act. I would say it is unnecessary since it puts a burden on businesses to generate all the paperwork but OK if wage theft is an issue then fine require all employers to provide the same documentation (a notice of pay a head of time, certain things on the pay stub, and both be available in a set of languages). However again it only applies to private organisations, again public are excluded. So a town or even the state can rip off employees.

/End Albany Tirade

09 Nov 2012 10:21 PM
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Snarfangel     

signaljammer: God bless FDR for introducing the term 'natural monopoly.'


Or John Stuart Mill.

09 Nov 2012 10:25 PM
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