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11 Nov 2012 03:29 AM   |   18333 clicks   |   AZCentral
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Bathia_Mapes    [TotalFark]  
The blame should really go to her father for allowing her to be on his lap while flying the helicopter.

10 Nov 2012 07:39 PM
ToxicMunkee     

Bathia_Mapes: The blame should really go to her father for allowing her to be on his lap while flying the helicopter.


I agree.

10 Nov 2012 07:48 PM
costermonger    [TotalFark]  
"Despite this length of time, there are many questions that remain unanswered, not the least of which is that the NTSB's conclusion is at odds with every single eyewitness," it said. Also, the statement said, "the conclusion is wholly inconsistent with the way Rick Morton commanded the helicopter and the respect Tom Stewart gave his pilots in the cockpit."

From the report:

A ranch foreman who observed the flight preparations saw the helicopter owner board the helicopter through the left forward cockpit door and occupy the left front cockpit seat. The helicopter owner's 5-year old daughter also boarded the helicopter through the left forward cockpit door and sat on her father's lap. ... Operator personnel revealed that the helicopter owner's daughter had sat on her father's lap occasionally during flights, that the owner liked to fly the helicopter, and that it was common for him to fly.

Sounds kind of consistent with witness reports to me. Letting a kid sit in your lap when there's also a collective stick between your legs shows something of a wanton disregard for safety on the case of the owner, and a lack of willingness on the part of the pilot to tell the boss what wasn't okay to do.

10 Nov 2012 08:05 PM
vossiewulf    [TotalFark]  
A rapid up and down movement of the collective? Wouldn't it be the cyclic to cause that? How could rapidly changing the pitch of the blades cause the main rotor to collide with the tail rotor?

10 Nov 2012 08:07 PM
costermonger    [TotalFark]  

vossiewulf: A rapid up and down movement of the collective? Wouldn't it be the cyclic to cause that? How could rapidly changing the pitch of the blades cause the main rotor to collide with the tail rotor?


I used the wrong term.. NTSB figures the kid stepped in the collective and pushed it to full down, and then the pilot raised it back to full as well as inputting full aft on the cyclic.

10 Nov 2012 08:52 PM
ThatGuyFromTheInternet     
Thus proving fidgety little brats on flights are a big problem.

10 Nov 2012 09:51 PM
namatad    [TotalFark]  

costermonger: Sounds kind of consistent with witness reports to me. Letting a kid sit in your lap when there's also a collective stick between your legs shows something of a wanton disregard for safety on the case of the owner, and a lack of willingness on the part of the pilot to tell the boss what wasn't okay to do.


and a lazy ass who wasnt willing to spend a little time and take some lessons?
How hard would that have been???

/darwin rules

10 Nov 2012 11:43 PM
PhiloeBedoe    [TotalFark]  
The real question is: Did she like gladiator movies? 
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10 Nov 2012 11:44 PM
BronyMedic     
From the Article:

The NTSB found that Stewart allowed his daughter, Sydney, to sit on his lap on a trip from his northern Arizona ranch to his home in Scottsdale, the Phoenix suburb where SGA is headquartered. It was "highly likely" that the child suddenly pushed down with her foot on the copter's controls, according to the Nov. 7. Either Stewart or his pilot then quickly pulled up on the controls, causing the helicopter's main blades to bend and strike the aircraft's tail, the report said.

WHAT THE fark?!

I mean, I could understand doing this if you were in a Cessna or something, but a helicopter? Holy shiat, man.

Reading further....

The report's conclusion was immediately challenged by the lawyer for the pilot's family, who has blamed a faulty rotor blade for the crash, and by Stewart's company."That's their interpretation, and it does not comport with what our experienced investigators believe happened," said Gary C. Robb, a Kansas City, Mo., attorney who specializes in aviation accidents. Robb has sued Eurocopter and others involved in repairing one of the helicopter's blades after a previous mishap. He said he believes the repair was faulty and the blade came apart in flight, causing the crash.

The NTSB found no evidence of that. It concluded that the repaired blade hit the tail rotor drive shaft and broke.

Eurocopter helped the NTSB investigate the crash and ran simulations that concluded that only a rapid down and then up movement on a control called a "collective" could have caused the accident.


Aha. So it comes out. That report is an inconvenience in their little lawsuit against Eurocopter America.

We Fly AS350B-2s from American Eurocopter at our service. Nice little machines. But I sure as hell wouldn't want a five year old setting in the cockpit seat of one. We're supposed to land if our patients become combative, even, until we get them restrained and sedated for safety reasons.

11 Nov 2012 12:05 AM
quatchi    [TotalFark]  
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Disaster girl is getting a real innocent kick out of this thread.

11 Nov 2012 12:21 AM
runujhkj    [TotalFark]  

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Disaster girl is getting a real innocent kick out of this thread.


That took way too long to show up.

11 Nov 2012 12:56 AM
Lsherm    [TotalFark]  

Bathia_Mapes: The blame should really go to her father for allowing her to be on his lap while flying the helicopter.


Agreed, but the NTSB is in the uncomfortable position of finding causes for a crash. My best friend was an airline pilot and died in a crash in 2004, and absent any mechanical failure they blamed the crash on him and his co-pilot because they were talking about things besides landing the plane under 10,000 feet on approach. They literally tried to land the plane 3 miles early. NTSB took a year and came up with "pilot error" because there wasn't any other reasonable explanation.

It took me a long time to come to terms with it. My friend wasn't an idiot. Neither was his co-pilot. The weather was bad, so I figured the altimeter has malfunctioned and they thought they were higher than they were. But after reading the report, there were two altimeters, and they missed/ignored the readings during descent. Either they were running visual, or they were mistaken about where they were. It was a commuter plane (11 people died) and it didn't have a low altitude warning system because it wasn't required at the time. Of course, after that crash the low altitude warning became mandatory.

The NTSB is very thorough - they interviewed me for the report because I had been out with him for dinner two days before the crash. They wanted to know if he could have been drunk/high during the flight because his body was so badly burned they couldn't test it. I let them know for the ten years he was flying he wouldn't drink if he had to fly to next day, because rules were rules. He was better than good about it - FAA rules were his bible.

Another uncomfortable thing I learned about that plane crash: they put lead or steel weights in the coffin to fake the weight of a burned corpse. When we lifted his coffin at the funeral one of them fell over and the funeral director told me afterward that the bump I head was probably that. My friend weighed 225 lbs alive, but the funeral director told me he had less than 60 lbs of material to work with when the body came in. Obviously, open coffin wasn't an option.

11 Nov 2012 12:59 AM
puffy999     
Man, some people are pedantic.

/but are they shallow?

11 Nov 2012 01:05 AM
BronyMedic     

puffy999: Man, some people are pedantic.

/but are they shallow?


Shut up Griffon.

11 Nov 2012 01:21 AM
Paris1127    [TotalFark]  
Could've been worse: it could have been an A310 over Siberia

/there's an episode of Mayday/Air Crash Investigation you can watch about this crash if you're interested

11 Nov 2012 01:21 AM
RoyBatty     
The NTSB is notorious for declaring accidents to be pilot error that otherwise have unknown causes, but this report seems outrageous even for them.

If there is no eye witness that the girl ever kicked the collective in the past, I find it difficult for them to blame the crash on the kid. The statement it is "highly likely" seems outrageous. If they want to state their theory of unknown collective input, that's one thing, to go from there to kid must've done it, seems gross.

It also seems irresponsible to have a government agency make that statement with such little evidence when there are pending lawsuits.

That said,

How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

11 Nov 2012 01:36 AM
puffy999     

RoyBatty: The NTSB is notorious for declaring accidents to be pilot error that otherwise have unknown causes, but this report seems outrageous even for them.

If there is no eye witness that the girl ever kicked the collective in the past, I find it difficult for them to blame the crash on the kid. The statement it is "highly likely" seems outrageous. If they want to state their theory of unknown collective input, that's one thing, to go from there to kid must've done it, seems gross.

It also seems irresponsible to have a government agency make that statement with such little evidence when there are pending lawsuits.

That said,

How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?


I don't know, since they apparently didn't believe a health event caused such a reaction, they probably exhausted as many possibilities to create their hypothesis.

I mean, just a guess, but they may have had a slight idea as to the location of the bodies at the time of the crash.

11 Nov 2012 02:43 AM
puffy999     
And perhaps it's a stretch to suggest it was her direct action that caused the crash. I agree that agencies sometimes look too much for a specific "thing" when sometimes it's just a set of circumstances and a random accident.

11 Nov 2012 02:48 AM
ElizaDoolittle    [TotalFark]  

Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: The blame should really go to her father for allowing her to be on his lap while flying the helicopter.

Agreed, but the NTSB is in the uncomfortable position of finding causes for a crash. My best friend was an airline pilot and died in a crash in 2004, and absent any mechanical failure they blamed the crash on him and his co-pilot because they were talking about things besides landing the plane under 10,000 feet on approach. They literally tried to land the plane 3 miles early. NTSB took a year and came up with "pilot error" because there wasn't any other reasonable explanation.

It took me a long time to come to terms with it. My friend wasn't an idiot. Neither was his co-pilot. The weather was bad, so I figured the altimeter has malfunctioned and they thought they were higher than they were. But after reading the report, there were two altimeters, and they missed/ignored the readings during descent. Either they were running visual, or they were mistaken about where they were. It was a commuter plane (11 people died) and it didn't have a low altitude warning system because it wasn't required at the time. Of course, after that crash the low altitude warning became mandatory.

The NTSB is very thorough - they interviewed me for the report because I had been out with him for dinner two days before the crash. They wanted to know if he could have been drunk/high during the flight because his body was so badly burned they couldn't test it. I let them know for the ten years he was flying he wouldn't drink if he had to fly to next day, because rules were rules. He was better than good about it - FAA rules were his bible.

Another uncomfortable thing I learned about that plane crash: they put lead or steel weights in the coffin to fake the weight of a burned corpse. When we lifted his coffin at the funeral one of them fell over and the funeral director told me afterward that the bump I head was probably that. My friend weighed 225 lbs alive, ...


Ouch. I guess your friend was beyond caring, if that's any consolation. Did the funeral home charge extra for the weights? I'll bet they did.

11 Nov 2012 03:11 AM
BronyMedic     

RoyBatty: The NTSB is notorious for declaring accidents to be pilot error that otherwise have unknown causes, but this report seems outrageous even for them.


The problem is that they have to blame SOMEONE. They are dicks. But, they're a Government organization tasked with finding blame and identifying preventable factors. They're going to be.

When Wing 5 crashed in Memphis in 2010, Doug Phillips - the pilot, was given the blame for the crash for taking off in unsafe weather. The cause of the crash was, literally, a freak storm which appeared suddenly over them and caused a sheer microburst right ontop of the aircraft. These are weather phenomenons which are incredibly difficult to predict, and can bring down jumbo jets. The storm appeared so fast their WeatherLink hadn't even had a chance to update, and they were two miles from the landing pad for their base when it brought them down. Their relief crew was actually outside watching them come in when they went down.

It was a one in a million cause for a crash, with no preventable actions even possible, and the flight had been completely clear until they got hit. Yet they still blamed him. It caused a lot of white knuckles and grinding of teeth among everyone who knew him. This was a pilot who had been flying for the military, and for aeromedical, for decades. He had thousands of hours of safe flying behind him.

11 Nov 2012 03:25 AM
Lsherm    [TotalFark]  

ElizaDoolittle: Did the funeral home charge extra for the weights? I'll bet they did.


Another thing I learned from that whole scenario: the airline pays for the funeral services for the dead, and they don't challenge the cost. The airline paid for services for all of the victims as well.

11 Nov 2012 03:31 AM
Lsherm    [TotalFark]  

ElizaDoolittle: Ouch. I guess your friend was beyond caring, if that's any consolation. Did the funeral home charge extra for the weights? I'll bet they did.


And just for the record: way to be a dick, asshole.

11 Nov 2012 03:34 AM
aniyn     
So kinda like this but with the tail instead.

11 Nov 2012 03:36 AM
Dadoody     
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11 Nov 2012 03:44 AM
doglover    [TotalFark]  

Lsherm: Another uncomfortable thing I learned about that plane crash: they put lead or steel weights in the coffin to fake the weight of a burned corpse. When we lifted his coffin at the funeral one of them fell over and the funeral director told me afterward that the bump I head was probably that.


If I die and there's no body, I will haunt anyone who puts a coffin there.

I don't get that. My grandpa was cremated. He's in an urn. At the funeral, we had the urn and a picture. A full on coffin with weights in to fake a body seems silly.

11 Nov 2012 03:46 AM
fusillade762    [TotalFark]  
Either Stewart or his pilot then quickly pulled up on the controls, causing the helicopter's main blades to bend and strike the aircraft's tail, the report said.

I know nothing about aviation, but that kinda seems like a design flaw. I mean, we have anti-lock brakes but we don't have "anti-blades chopping the tail off" technology?

11 Nov 2012 03:55 AM
davidphogan     

doglover: Lsherm: Another uncomfortable thing I learned about that plane crash: they put lead or steel weights in the coffin to fake the weight of a burned corpse. When we lifted his coffin at the funeral one of them fell over and the funeral director told me afterward that the bump I head was probably that.

If I die and there's no body, I will haunt anyone who puts a coffin there.

I don't get that. My grandpa was cremated. He's in an urn. At the funeral, we had the urn and a picture. A full on coffin with weights in to fake a body seems silly.


Not every religion allows cremation. I'd assume the weights are there for a symbolic reason.

11 Nov 2012 03:57 AM
BronyMedic     

davidphogan:
Not every religion allows cremation. I'd assume the weights are there for a symbolic reason.


They're there to give the pallbearers some form of comfort. If the coffin is unnaturally light combined with a closed casket, they're going to know that person died really, really horrifically.

11 Nov 2012 04:02 AM
davidphogan     

BronyMedic: davidphogan:
Not every religion allows cremation. I'd assume the weights are there for a symbolic reason.

They're there to give the pallbearers some form of comfort. If the coffin is unnaturally light combined with a closed casket, they're going to know that person died really, really horrifically.


Makes sense. I've actually wondered about that.

11 Nov 2012 04:09 AM
Biff Spiffy     

fusillade762: Either Stewart or his pilot then quickly pulled up on the controls, causing the helicopter's main blades to bend and strike the aircraft's tail, the report said.

I know nothing about aviation, but that kinda seems like a design flaw. I mean, we have anti-lock brakes but we don't have "anti-blades chopping the tail off" technology?


Nope, not really. Redbull has a specially designed helicopter with rigid blades that can fly inverted, but almost every other helicopter has rotors that flex. You don't do rapid up-down movements because of that - you can chop your own tail off (or mast, in a R22)

11 Nov 2012 04:09 AM
ElizaDoolittle    [TotalFark]  

Lsherm: ElizaDoolittle: Ouch. I guess your friend was beyond caring, if that's any consolation. Did the funeral home charge extra for the weights? I'll bet they did.

And just for the record: way to be a dick, asshole.


That was not my intention. I don't like the way funeral "homes" rip off people, but I never intended to be mean to you. I apologize.

11 Nov 2012 04:16 AM
Hector Remarkable     
The way I read the NTSB report, it seems to me this 5 year-old girl was probably plotting this for months, if not years. She was obviously a murderous, callous little girl who got tired of torturing garden ducks and was moving on to the big time. It's all in the report. She had mapped out the plan in crayon - a "slip" of the sippy cup and then - jump, bam, kill them all. Oh, she was a heinous sort. With her little kiddie plot for murther and her devious after-plan to ruin EuroCopter. Ah-ha-ha-ha! Ah-ha-ha-ha! She's laughing at us all now. From Hell.

11 Nov 2012 04:16 AM
ElizaDoolittle    [TotalFark]  

Hector Remarkable: The way I read the NTSB report, it seems to me this 5 year-old girl was probably plotting this for months, if not years. She was obviously a murderous, callous little girl who got tired of torturing garden ducks and was moving on to the big time. It's all in the report. She had mapped out the plan in crayon - a "slip" of the sippy cup and then - jump, bam, kill them all. Oh, she was a heinous sort. With her little kiddie plot for murther and her devious after-plan to ruin EuroCopter. Ah-ha-ha-ha! Ah-ha-ha-ha! She's laughing at us all now. From Hell.


I know this is meant to be satire. Fail.

11 Nov 2012 04:17 AM
ElizaDoolittle    [TotalFark]  

doglover: Lsherm: Another uncomfortable thing I learned about that plane crash: they put lead or steel weights in the coffin to fake the weight of a burned corpse. When we lifted his coffin at the funeral one of them fell over and the funeral director told me afterward that the bump I head was probably that.

If I die and there's no body, I will haunt anyone who puts a coffin there.

I don't get that. My grandpa was cremated. He's in an urn. At the funeral, we had the urn and a picture. A full on coffin with weights in to fake a body seems silly.


Agreed.

11 Nov 2012 04:20 AM
Hector Remarkable     

ElizaDoolittle: Hector Remarkable: The way I read the NTSB report, it seems to me this 5 year-old girl was probably plotting this for months, if not years. She was obviously a murderous, callous little girl who got tired of torturing garden ducks and was moving on to the big time. It's all in the report. She had mapped out the plan in crayon - a "slip" of the sippy cup and then - jump, bam, kill them all. Oh, she was a heinous sort. With her little kiddie plot for murther and her devious after-plan to ruin EuroCopter. Ah-ha-ha-ha! Ah-ha-ha-ha! She's laughing at us all now. From Hell.

I know this is meant to be satire. Fail.


Well, more mockery I'd say, but everyone's a critic.

11 Nov 2012 04:20 AM
BronyMedic     

Hector Remarkable: ElizaDoolittle: Hector Remarkable: The way I read the NTSB report, it seems to me this 5 year-old girl was probably plotting this for months, if not years. She was obviously a murderous, callous little girl who got tired of torturing garden ducks and was moving on to the big time. It's all in the report. She had mapped out the plan in crayon - a "slip" of the sippy cup and then - jump, bam, kill them all. Oh, she was a heinous sort. With her little kiddie plot for murther and her devious after-plan to ruin EuroCopter. Ah-ha-ha-ha! Ah-ha-ha-ha! She's laughing at us all now. From Hell.

I know this is meant to be satire. Fail.

Well, more mockery I'd say, but everyone's a critic.


Too soon, man. Too soon. You gotta wait 22.5 years, then it's funny.

11 Nov 2012 04:21 AM
KrispyKritter     
big respect for helicopter pilots. i'm told it takes both hands, both feet and a lot of wide awake knowledge to pilot those unwieldy birds. not an easy task even on a clear day.

11 Nov 2012 04:23 AM
Hector Remarkable     

BronyMedic: Hector Remarkable: ElizaDoolittle: Hector Remarkable: The way I read the NTSB report, it seems to me this 5 year-old girl was probably plotting this for months, if not years. She was obviously a murderous, callous little girl who got tired of torturing garden ducks and was moving on to the big time. It's all in the report. She had mapped out the plan in crayon - a "slip" of the sippy cup and then - jump, bam, kill them all. Oh, she was a heinous sort. With her little kiddie plot for murther and her devious after-plan to ruin EuroCopter. Ah-ha-ha-ha! Ah-ha-ha-ha! She's laughing at us all now. From Hell.

I know this is meant to be satire. Fail.

Well, more mockery I'd say, but everyone's a critic.

Too soon, man. Too soon. You gotta wait 22.5 years, then it's funny.


Oh, well. It's probably funny in non-linear time too. They're basically saying the little girl is responsible for five tragic deaths. It's just...ridiculous.

11 Nov 2012 04:25 AM
Biff Spiffy     

Hector Remarkable: BronyMedic: Hector Remarkable: ElizaDoolittle: Hector Remarkable: The way I read the NTSB report, it seems to me this 5 year-old girl was probably plotting this for months, if not years. She was obviously a murderous, callous little girl who got tired of torturing garden ducks and was moving on to the big time. It's all in the report. She had mapped out the plan in crayon - a "slip" of the sippy cup and then - jump, bam, kill them all. Oh, she was a heinous sort. With her little kiddie plot for murther and her devious after-plan to ruin EuroCopter. Ah-ha-ha-ha! Ah-ha-ha-ha! She's laughing at us all now. From Hell.

I know this is meant to be satire. Fail.

Well, more mockery I'd say, but everyone's a critic.

Too soon, man. Too soon. You gotta wait 22.5 years, then it's funny.

Oh, well. It's probably funny in non-linear time too. They're basically saying the little girl is responsible for five tragic deaths. It's just...ridiculous.


She was probably just as aware as Mrs. O'Leary's cow.

/and just as guilty
//that's why it's called an accident

11 Nov 2012 04:28 AM
Apos     

quatchi: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 500x375]

Disaster girl is getting a real innocent kick out of this thread.


Stopped by for this. Leaving satisfied.

11 Nov 2012 04:32 AM
BronyMedic     

Hector Remarkable: Oh, well. It's probably funny in non-linear time too. They're basically saying the little girl is responsible for five tragic deaths. It's just...ridiculous.


I took from that article they're doing what they always do, blame the pilot for anything they can.

In this case, he allowed an untrained, unlicensed operator to get behind the controls of an aircraft with his five year old daughter in his lap, unrestrained, and operate it.

The pilot is ultimately responsible for five deaths. The little girl just helped.

11 Nov 2012 04:33 AM
Hector Remarkable     

Biff Spiffy: something or other, and then,

She was probably just as aware as Mrs. O'Leary's cow.

/and just as guilty
//that's why it's called an accident


I really can't see it as being any more likely than anything else that might possibly have occurred, and is just simply a terrible thing to lay upon the legacy of an innocent little girl. They really have no way of knowing. The pilot may have picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue for all anyone really knows.

11 Nov 2012 04:35 AM
Gyrfalcon    [TotalFark]  
It's one of those legal things, whereby the "cause" of the accident is not the cause of the accident.

In this case, the actual cause of the accident--the first action in the chain of events that culminated in the helicopter striking the ground--was the little girl's foot contacting the collective (or whatever control it was). Like it or not, that's what started the whole mess, what law students are taught to call the "but-for" cause: "But-for" her foot striking that control, none of this would have happened.

Now, does that mean she's RESPONSIBLE for the accident in the moral or ethical sense, or legally responsible as in she intentionally or negligently caused it? Of course not. Is her dad? Of course not. It's an accident. Nobody could have foreseen such an awful chain of events, even in hindsight. I mean, I SUPPOSE you could have seen that a little girl who normally sits still in daddy's lap on a short chopper flight and whose feet are normally far away from the controls MIGHT have kicked out at them in such a way as to cause an abnormal movement in the craft and the pilot would have overcorrected...and so it goes.

But in the NTSB's report, where they have to write in "What is the cause of the accident?" the answer is "girl's foot contacting surface of control panel" since that's what began the chain of events. In a very objective and non-judgemental fashion. To everyone but the survivors' attorneys who needed an "undetermined" or "mechanical" cause to continue their lawsuit against the helicopter manufacturers, but you can't please everyone.

11 Nov 2012 04:40 AM
ElizaDoolittle    [TotalFark]  

Bathia_Mapes: The blame should really go to her father for allowing her to be on his lap while flying the helicopter.


Definitely this. I'm sure he meant for her to have fun. At 5 years old, she was not in a position to know it was stupid. Billionaire father, 64, with 5-y-old daughter, paid the price. As did the daughter and everyone on board.

11 Nov 2012 04:41 AM
BronyMedic     

Gyrfalcon: But in the NTSB's report, where they have to write in "What is the cause of the accident?" the answer is "girl's foot contacting surface of control panel" since that's what began the chain of events. In a very objective and non-judgemental fashion. To everyone but the survivors' attorneys who needed an "undetermined" or "mechanical" cause to continue their lawsuit against the helicopter manufacturers, but you can't please everyone.


DING DING DING.

We have a winnar. Step on up and claim your prize.

11 Nov 2012 04:42 AM
Langdon_777     
My mate's dad was an army pilot until he reached Lt Col rank - then they wouldn't let him fly on his own -> he quit.

There is a reason why (example) the President and the VP don't EVER fly in the same plane.

(Oddly whole families drive in the same car -> some of the most horrific accident results any of us could imagine.)

But on the plus side - at least they all went together *innocent look*

11 Nov 2012 04:44 AM
ElizaDoolittle    [TotalFark]  

Langdon_777: My mate's dad was an army pilot until he reached Lt Col rank - then they wouldn't let him fly on his own -> he quit.

There is a reason why (example) the President and the VP don't EVER fly in the same plane.

(Oddly whole families drive in the same car -> some of the most horrific accident results any of us could imagine.)

But on the plus side - at least they all went together *innocent look*


Explain what you're getting at.

11 Nov 2012 04:45 AM
SomethingToDo     
What they're saying is that if you're a helicopter pilot and don't want to die, best practice for the future will be don't put your preschooler near the controls. Sounds like good practice.

11 Nov 2012 04:49 AM
RoyBatty     

Gyrfalcon: In this case, the actual cause of the accident--the first action in the chain of events that culminated in the helicopter striking the ground--was the little girl's foot contacting the collective (or whatever control it was). Like it or not, that's what started the whole mess, what law students are taught to call the "but-for" cause: "But-for" her foot striking that control, none of this would have happened.


They literally have no evidence the girl kicked, or fell, or in anyway came in contact with the collective.

"It was "highly likely" that the child suddenly pushed down with her foot on the copter's controls, according to the Nov.7 report."

There is no evidence the girl was involved at all. They believe a rapid down and then up movement of the collective could cause the damage they found in the rotor. It is complete speculation as to what caused that rapid up and down movement of the collective.

11 Nov 2012 04:52 AM
BronyMedic     

RoyBatty: They literally have no evidence the girl kicked, or fell, or in anyway came in contact with the collective.

"It was "highly likely" that the child suddenly pushed down with her foot on the copter's controls, according to the Nov.7 report."

There is no evidence the girl was involved at all. They believe a rapid down and then up movement of the collective could cause the damage they found in the rotor. It is complete speculation as to what caused that rapid up and down movement of the collective.


Occam's Razor. There's no evidence of mechanical failure of the blade, and it was common knowledge that this man - who was NOT a pilot - made it a practice to do this.

This is what the cockpit of an AS350 (B2) model looks like.

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That's the non-medical passenger model. The medical model with the stretcher mount has a different configuration. There's not a lot of room there at all. It's hardly inconceivable that a five year old could whip the stick hard.

11 Nov 2012 04:56 AM
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