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12 Nov 2012 05:03 AM   |   11439 clicks   |   NYPost
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feckingmorons    [TotalFark]  
So the woman in the wheelchair sued the store that sells dance clothing and shoes? Why would she want to go there.

Of course it is money making. Somebody will push her in front of a dump truck soon enough.

11 Nov 2012 10:04 PM
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emonk     
The ADA was created and made into law by lawyers. And the only reason that lawyers create laws is to help other lawyers.

Looking at you. Obama.

11 Nov 2012 10:15 PM
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ThatGuyFromTheInternet     

emonk: The ADA was created and made into law by lawyers. And the only reason that lawyers create laws is to help other lawyers.

Looking at you. Obama.


The Americans With Disabilities Act was passed in 1990.

obamatimemachine.jpg

11 Nov 2012 11:09 PM
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violentsalvation    [TotalFark]  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: emonk: The ADA was created and made into law by lawyers. And the only reason that lawyers create laws is to help other lawyers.

Looking at you. Obama.

The Americans With Disabilities Act was passed in 1990.

obamatimemachine.jpg


Barry graduated from Harvard law school in 1991, which was just ONE year after 1990. Coincidence? I think not.

11 Nov 2012 11:13 PM
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keithgabryelski    [TotalFark]  
There are two methods to enforce the law:

1) allow anyone to sue when they see a violation
2) provide an army of inspectors to check every business location in america.

#2 creates an incredibly large bureaucracy which couldn't possible service all of america reasonably

#1 provides for individuals to look like douche-bags by pointing out the incorrectly built and managed business locations

11 Nov 2012 11:24 PM
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puffy999     
This is a self-respecting "person"?

I thought she was just a greedy, lazy, self-conscious biatch.

Frankly, she shouldn't even come out of her house because she deserves nothing but ridicule, mockery, and scorn. May her brakes go out and she rollolololol into the nearest river.

11 Nov 2012 11:27 PM
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weave     
New York is filled with tiny little corner shops with cramped aisles that even ambulatory fat asses can't fit down. I take it the price of real estate is so high they have to cram a store into one quarter the size of a normal store.

The solution is simple. Get rid of them all, let Wal-Mart build a store in Staten Island somewhere and then everyone in any of the five boroughs who needs to grab a few things should just drive 10-20 miles to their "local" Wal-Mart, like everyone in real America has to do.

12 Nov 2012 12:09 AM
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ThatGuyFromTheInternet     

keithgabryelski: There are two methods to enforce the law:

1) allow anyone to sue when they see a violation
2) provide an army of inspectors to check every business location in america.

#2 creates an incredibly large bureaucracy which couldn't possible service all of america reasonably

#1 provides for individuals to look like douche-bags by pointing out the incorrectly built and managed business locations


Or C) Admit not every square inch of America can be rebuilt to be handicapped accessible, despite PC optimism. Sidewalks, public buildings? Sure. But small business and private building that were built decades or even a century before the ADA existed, not so much.

12 Nov 2012 12:15 AM
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MaudlinMutantMollusk    [TotalFark]  
And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon

/Oh, wait a minute...
//sorry
///I'll just be rolling along now

12 Nov 2012 12:43 AM
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L.D. Ablo    [TotalFark]  

emonk: The ADA was created and made into law by lawyers. And the only reason that lawyers create laws is to help other lawyers.

Looking at you. Obama.


As a lawyer, I'm really getting a kick out of this comment.

Keep hatin'!

12 Nov 2012 01:06 AM
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doglover    [TotalFark]  
If it's not about money, don't accept any money from them.

12 Nov 2012 01:09 AM
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feckingmorons    [TotalFark]  

L.D. Ablo: emonk: The ADA was created and made into law by lawyers. And the only reason that lawyers create laws is to help other lawyers.

Looking at you. Obama.

As a lawyer, I'm really getting a kick out of this comment.

Keep hatin'!


Geez, this place is crawling with lawyers.
Ick.

12 Nov 2012 01:22 AM
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ShawnDoc     

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Or C) Admit not every square inch of America can be rebuilt to be handicapped accessible, despite PC optimism. Sidewalks, public buildings? Sure. But small business and private building that were built decades or even a century before the ADA existed, not so much.


And the law allows for this. Unfortunately, you have to go to court and prove you are exempt from the ADA requirements, which means hiring a lawyer, paying for experts, site surveys, etc. Which is exactly how this scam works, the lawyer gives you two options:

A) Go to court and fight it, which will run you $30k at least, and there's still a chance you might lose depending on if the judge is an asshat or not.
B) Pay us $5k, or $10k or whatever, and we'll drop the lawsuit.

A good way around this would be a government inspector that gets called in only on these lawsuits to verify the integrity of the suit. Make it a flat $200 fee (or whatever), and if he says the business is clear, no lawsuit is allowed.

12 Nov 2012 02:08 AM
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NickelP    [TotalFark]  

keithgabryelski: There are two methods to enforce the law:

1) allow anyone to sue when they see a violation
2) provide an army of inspectors to check every business location in america.

#2 creates an incredibly large bureaucracy which couldn't possible service all of america reasonably

#1 provides for individuals to look like douche-bags by pointing out the incorrectly built and managed business locations


2. Would work but what a nightmare. We would need departments at the county and state levels probably. Maybe call them building departments. They would have to be staffed with all kinds of people, maybe call them building inspectors....

12 Nov 2012 02:25 AM
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Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer    [TotalFark]  
40 years from now you'll all discover that your hoverounds won't fit between the bar stools.

One of my few regrets in life is that I won't be here to witness the wailing and gnashing of your teeth.

12 Nov 2012 03:07 AM
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AbbeySomeone     

puffy999: This is a self-respecting "person"?

I thought she was just a greedy, lazy, self-conscious biatch.

Frankly, she shouldn't even come out of her house because she deserves nothing but ridicule, mockery, and scorn. May her brakes go out and she rollolololol into the nearest river.


You're not alone in your feelings. She should be sued for harrassement and extortion, or just caught under a garbage truck.

feckingmorons: So the woman in the wheelchair sued the store that sells dance clothing and shoes? Why would she want to go there.

Of course it is money making. Somebody will push her in front of a dump truck soon enough.


That was the most ridiculous lawsuit. This b*tch is crazy and very angry that she never got to have a dance recital. Solution : somebody's gotta pay.

12 Nov 2012 03:44 AM
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Darth_Lukecash    [TotalFark]  
My friend has a motorized wheelchair. It's freaking big. When he travels around Chicago, he doesn't hold it against the stores that are in hundred of years old buildings that were not designed for him. Normally he doesn't go, or just have the guy running the place bring him out what he needs.

12 Nov 2012 03:55 AM
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orbister     

AbbeySomeone: That was the most ridiculous lawsuit. This b*tch is crazy and very angry that she never got to have a dance recital.


A google search on "wheelchair dance" might enlighten you. Those damn cripples do all sorts of things these days.

12 Nov 2012 05:13 AM
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Mock26     

violentsalvation: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: emonk: The ADA was created and made into law by lawyers. And the only reason that lawyers create laws is to help other lawyers.

Looking at you. Obama.

The Americans With Disabilities Act was passed in 1990.

obamatimemachine.jpg

Barry graduated from Harvard law school in 1991, which was just ONE year after 1990. Coincidence? I think not.


Take 1991, drop the 1, and add the first letter of Obama and you get 199O!

12 Nov 2012 05:14 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy    [TotalFark]  
We as a society are judged by how we treat the lowest among us.

12 Nov 2012 05:16 AM
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DrPainMD     

AverageAmericanGuy: We as a society are judged by how we treat the lowest among us.


And we're treating them too damned good.

12 Nov 2012 05:21 AM
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Nogale     
Eventually she'll run into a judge who is less than sympathetic to her tactics. Suing a business owner whose shop has actually been fitted out to grant access to the disabled? Bad move.

12 Nov 2012 05:22 AM
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Jesda     
Break a leg, lady!

12 Nov 2012 05:32 AM
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Mock26     

AverageAmericanGuy: We as a society are judged by how we treat the lowest among us.


Exactly, and the midgets are able to walk up and down stairs.

12 Nov 2012 05:35 AM
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hammettman     
i90.photobucket.com

Here's your wheelchair access, lady.

12 Nov 2012 05:38 AM
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Mock26     

Nogale: Eventually she'll run into a judge who is less than sympathetic to her tactics. Suing a business owner whose shop has actually been fitted out to grant access to the disabled? Bad move.


Some guy tried this in Chicago a number of years ago, but he farked up because he would just go down the street and write down the name and addresses of businesses that did not have ramps and would then try to sue them. Many of those businesses, however, had removable ramps. They were in vintage buildings and were given an exemption from having to install permanent ramps. These places usually had a single step up and the door bell could be reached by someone in a wheelchair. If this guy had rung the bell the employees would have brought out a ramp, set it up, and he could have entered the business. After some bad press coverage he stopped being a douche.

12 Nov 2012 05:38 AM
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sno man    [TotalFark]  

ShawnDoc: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Or C) Admit not every square inch of America can be rebuilt to be handicapped accessible, despite PC optimism. Sidewalks, public buildings? Sure. But small business and private building that were built decades or even a century before the ADA existed, not so much.

And the law allows for this. Unfortunately, you have to go to court and prove you are exempt from the ADA requirements, which means hiring a lawyer, paying for experts, site surveys, etc. Which is exactly how this scam works, the lawyer gives you two options:

A) Go to court and fight it, which will run you $30k at least, and there's still a chance you might lose depending on if the judge is an asshat or not.
B) Pay us $5k, or $10k or whatever, and we'll drop the lawsuit.

A good way around this would be a government inspector that gets called in only on these lawsuits to verify the integrity of the suit. Make it a flat $200 fee (or whatever), and if he says the business is clear, no lawsuit is allowed.


Make the fee an even grand, and the inspection a condition of the suit (litigant pays). If they have enough of a case to proceed, they get it back win or lose, if they don't, bye $1k. They might think twice the next time and keep some of the frivolous suits out of the system.

12 Nov 2012 05:39 AM
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stonelotus     
feckingmorons:Somebody will push her in front of a dump truck soon enough.

done in one.

12 Nov 2012 05:46 AM
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RatMaster999     

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: keithgabryelski: There are two methods to enforce the law:

1) allow anyone to sue when they see a violation
2) provide an army of inspectors to check every business location in america.

#2 creates an incredibly large bureaucracy which couldn't possible service all of america reasonably

#1 provides for individuals to look like douche-bags by pointing out the incorrectly built and managed business locations

Or C) Admit not every square inch of America can be rebuilt to be handicapped accessible, despite PC optimism. Sidewalks, public buildings? Sure. But small business and private building that were built decades or even a century before the ADA existed, not so much.


Or D) Stop being handicapped.

12 Nov 2012 05:49 AM
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Gunther     

Mock26: Nogale: Eventually she'll run into a judge who is less than sympathetic to her tactics. Suing a business owner whose shop has actually been fitted out to grant access to the disabled? Bad move.

Some guy tried this in Chicago a number of years ago, but he farked up because he would just go down the street and write down the name and addresses of businesses that did not have ramps and would then try to sue them. Many of those businesses, however, had removable ramps. They were in vintage buildings and were given an exemption from having to install permanent ramps. These places usually had a single step up and the door bell could be reached by someone in a wheelchair. If this guy had rung the bell the employees would have brought out a ramp, set it up, and he could have entered the business. After some bad press coverage he stopped being a douche.


FTA, it sounds like plenty of the businesses being sued are the same, but this lady is betting they'll settle to avoid the costs of a trial.

Most of the frivolous lawsuits you hear about work pretty much the same way, actually; the plaintiff knows they probably won't win, they're just hoping the defendant settles. Which they usually do, because who wants the hassle and expense of a court case when you can avoid it for five grand?

12 Nov 2012 05:49 AM
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mister aj     
ADA = typical socialist fascism. If a store does not meet the needs of its customers then it will go out of business, NO NEED FOR GUBMINT INTERFERENCE. Equality under the law is when crips and vegetables have the same power as any other customer - the power to not shop there. Not when the gubmint gives them special rights.

We used to know how to deal with communists like this mong. But of course America just voted for giving those people special rights. Aint democracy great?

12 Nov 2012 05:53 AM
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Debeo Summa Credo     

AverageAmericanGuy: We as a society are judged by how we treat the lowest among us.


Judged by whom? Pretentious douchebags?

12 Nov 2012 06:02 AM
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bugontherug     

ShawnDoc: A good way around this would be a government inspector that gets called in only on these lawsuits to verify the integrity of the suit. Make it a flat $200 fee (or whatever), and if he says the business is clear, no lawsuit is allowed.


And if it isn't cleared, the lawsuit automatically prevails, right?

12 Nov 2012 06:04 AM
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bugontherug     

Mock26: These places usually had a single step up and the door bell could be reached by someone in a wheelchair. If this guy had rung the bell the employees would have brought out a ramp, set it up, and he could have entered the business.


They should not have been regarded as compliant without prominent signs indicating the availability of assistance. That's common sense.

12 Nov 2012 06:06 AM
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macdonr     
What are the 39 shops?

12 Nov 2012 06:08 AM
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SkunkWerks     
FTA: "Yet I had to pay thousands and was given no opportunity to change anything."

1990 called. So did George H.W. Bush for that matter...

12 Nov 2012 06:09 AM
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BalugaJoe    [TotalFark]  
Ugly!

12 Nov 2012 06:12 AM
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Abe Vigoda's Ghost    [TotalFark]  

feckingmorons: So the woman in the wheelchair sued the store that sells dance clothing and shoes? Why would she want to go there.

Of course it is money making. Somebody will push her in front of a dump truck soon enough.


With any luck she'll survive and be confined to a wheelchair.

What?

12 Nov 2012 06:14 AM
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rumpelstiltskin    [TotalFark]  
Wheelchair accessible = Dalek accessible. Is that really worth the risk?

12 Nov 2012 06:14 AM
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kendelrio     
As someone who regularly mocks gimps, midgets, the infirm and retards, I'm.....

I can't even troll it. Too early.

/lady is a coont

12 Nov 2012 06:15 AM
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dragonchild     
Depends on what the amounts are. If they're legal fees + $1, it's just to put the transgression on record which means a settlement is out of the question. A shop that loses that sort of case has every incentive to fix the problem or the next lawsuit will be a slam-dunk case for big bucks.

sno man: Make the fee an even grand, and the inspection a condition of the suit (litigant pays). If they have enough of a case to proceed, they get it back win or lose, if they don't, bye $1k. They might think twice the next time and keep some of the frivolous suits out of the system.


All that does is put power only in the hands of those who can afford to lose the $1k. It'll make the numbers look good, but I think we've got enough plutocracy in the system.

12 Nov 2012 06:19 AM
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dragonchild     
TFA: In each suit, all filed in Manhattan federal court, she demands $500 in damages, plus lawyers' and experts' fees

Yeah, if she's doing this for the money, she's being peculiarly inefficient about it.

12 Nov 2012 06:21 AM
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ExperianScaresCthulhu     

ShawnDoc: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Or C) Admit not every square inch of America can be rebuilt to be handicapped accessible, despite PC optimism. Sidewalks, public buildings? Sure. But small business and private building that were built decades or even a century before the ADA existed, not so much.

And the law allows for this. Unfortunately, you have to go to court and prove you are exempt from the ADA requirements, which means hiring a lawyer, paying for experts, site surveys, etc. Which is exactly how this scam works, the lawyer gives you two options:

A) Go to court and fight it, which will run you $30k at least, and there's still a chance you might lose depending on if the judge is an asshat or not.
B) Pay us $5k, or $10k or whatever, and we'll drop the lawsuit.

A good way around this would be a government inspector that gets called in only on these lawsuits to verify the integrity of the suit. Make it a flat $200 fee (or whatever), and if he says the business is clear, no lawsuit is allowed.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

12 Nov 2012 06:22 AM
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GBB     

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: keithgabryelski: There are two methods to enforce the law:

1) allow anyone to sue when they see a violation
2) provide an army of inspectors to check every business location in america.

#2 creates an incredibly large bureaucracy which couldn't possible service all of america reasonably

#1 provides for individuals to look like douche-bags by pointing out the incorrectly built and managed business locations

Or C) Admit not every square inch of America can be rebuilt to be handicapped accessible, despite PC optimism. Sidewalks, public buildings? Sure. But small business and private building that were built decades or even a century before the ADA existed, not so much.


This doesn't end until we get a 1:12 ramp to the bottom of the Grand Canyon.

12 Nov 2012 06:23 AM
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orbister     

macdonr: What are the 39 shops?


An organisation of spies, collecting information on behalf of the foreign office of

12 Nov 2012 06:23 AM
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lucksi     
She as a person shouldn't be able to sue for that.

The government should. Normal stores get inspected for fire hazards ect. in the US, no? So if being wheelchair accessible is a must that is signed into law, then they can inspect that too and hand out fines.

12 Nov 2012 06:23 AM
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Bigdogdaddy     
This bites, not only because of the douchebaggery of this woman's shister lawyer,, but also because I'm sure a lot of shops rent from a landlord and I would think it would be his responsiblity to bring these buildings up to standard, not the store owner. That would be like fining a tennant because a slum lord wouldn't upgrade his plumbing.

12 Nov 2012 06:23 AM
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randomjsa     
This has been a "hot" thing lately for the blood sucking lawyer types. They basically partner up with a handicapped person and have them file as many complaints as possible against as many people as possible because 90% of the time, people will settle out of court.

And yes, its about the money, that's all its about.

12 Nov 2012 06:27 AM
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SkunkWerks     

GBB: This doesn't end until we get a 1:12 ramp to the bottom of the Grand Canyon.


Made of Straw?

12 Nov 2012 06:27 AM
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ArcadianRefugee     
courantblogs.com

12 Nov 2012 06:37 AM
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