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   The biggest fear of a doomsday prepper in the Utah desert is that terrorists will detonate a smallpox bomb, and naturally the Utah desert is the first place they'd target

12 Nov 2012 12:26 PM   |   5286 clicks   |   Mother Nature Network
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dark side of the moon    [TotalFark]  
His nickname in the article is BS. Seems appropriate.

As a life long Utahn I can say if someone were to detonate a smallpox bomb in the Utah desert the only thing it would do is infect jack rabbits and antelope. But don't mess with my desert!

12 Nov 2012 12:16 PM
jaylectricity    [TotalFark]  
The terrorists might not attack Utah, but where do you think the people in LA and SF are gonna go to get away from terrorist attacks?

12 Nov 2012 12:26 PM
HST's Dead Carcass    [TotalFark]  
I know a guy like this. He has barrels of food in his basement. He is constantly changing jobs because his rich parents own a few shady used car dealerships in town and he gets to play at being an adult than actually be one. He's out of his mind now that Obama won again and is buying the bulk food containers from Costco and setting his house up for defense against the masses.

/the dude is a loon
//even his wife is getting sick of his shiat

12 Nov 2012 12:29 PM
Holocaust Agnostic     
Person who take threat of small pox attack seriously makes their home in a place far from likely smallpox attack targets. Incomprehensible.

12 Nov 2012 12:30 PM
p4p3rm4t3     
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12 Nov 2012 12:31 PM
Great Janitor     
I was watching that show about Doomsday preppers and there was an episode about a prepper who had all kinds of stuff she was hoarding and refused guns because she honestly thought that come doomsday, or what ever big disaster, the best of humanity would come out and no one would try to use a gun to steal all of her stuff.

My doomsday prep plan is to find locals with her same beliefs, an assload of supplies and my shotgun.

12 Nov 2012 12:32 PM
MorePeasPlease     
BS: ...I look at it like this: You have a savings account and hope to God you don't have to use it for a medical emergency. We're doing the same thing, but with food, and fuel, and the coal I buried in the backyard. And generators. That to us is money in the bank.

LiveScience: What if your fears are overblown and nothing apocalyptic happens? Would you view your prepping as a waste of time?

BS: Not at all. It's our little pet project. Some people collect China and trinkets. We collect food and other things. We'll use all our food and fuel eventually.



Oh my GAWD ... what a lunatic madman!

12 Nov 2012 12:32 PM
fortheloveofgod     
Since the Utah desert is probably the last place they'd target, isn't that exactly the place you would want to be if you were concerned about such a thing?

12 Nov 2012 12:33 PM
RoxtarRyan     
The good people of Rala, Missouri were worried about getting anthrax and I said "What the fark.. what you nuts, you gonna get it in a K-mart catalog asshole? Even the Taliban isn't iterested in you, you idiot look... where you live, you're already dead!

12 Nov 2012 12:33 PM
Kit Fister    [TotalFark]  
The issue is not a "small pox bomb".

The issue is developing a virulent strain of smallpox or other similar disease that is easily communicable. Infect a bunch of people, then ship them off to various airports around the world, where they come in contact with and infect people going off to even more disparate destinations. From there, everyone they come in contact with that contracts the disease, plus all of the stuff they contaminate, continue to spread the disease until you have a full-scale cascading epidemic.

Best way to avoid infection, then, is to get the fark away from population centers, and avoid contact.

12 Nov 2012 12:34 PM
Psycoholic_Slag     

fortheloveofgod: Since the Utah desert is probably the last place they'd target, isn't that exactly the place you would want to be if you were concerned about such a thing?


Came to say this.

Subby sounds like a target.

12 Nov 2012 12:35 PM
RoxtarRyan     
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So much for "doomsday prepping".... woman doesn't even know to let her hair down when she's donning a protective mask.

12 Nov 2012 12:35 PM
Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  
Our goal was to have a one-year supply of food. From there, you start thinking about water.

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12 Nov 2012 12:37 PM
manimal2878     
He didn't seem all that crazy. Small pox is probably less likely than a storm knocking power out for a few weeks, but like he said if you are prepared for the most implausible you are prepared for the most likely. And it becomes a hobby.

12 Nov 2012 12:37 PM
olddinosaur     
The probability of a total collapse is unlikely, but prolonged financial hardship is almost a sure shot.

Greece is out the tubes for $1.5 trillion, or $300,000 per working person---of which there are very few. Amerika is out the tubes for $16 trillion and change, and they are talking raising taxes on everyone who still has a job; have fun with that!

The Dollar has already gone from $835 to $1730 in real money value over the last four years, and more deterioration is damn likely.

Try $7 gasoline, $16 per six--pack Heineken and $8 Big Macs, and see what it would do to your budget, assuming you could keep a job paying the same rate; fat chance.

Then figure out how much worse it would get if everyone who pays taxes went on strike.

12 Nov 2012 12:38 PM
Dinjiin     
If there is a catastrophic disaster of some sort, just think for a second. What are the kind of people who are prepared to live through it? Mormons and other religious cults, fringe survivalists, eccentric rich folks, etc...

Maybe it would be better to die off in the initial days than it would be to live on in Earth 2.0 with the remaining scavengers and the nutjobs.

12 Nov 2012 12:40 PM
swahnhennessy     
I don't know. I don't consider myself paranoid or crazy, but one of my biggest failings is that I don't have a stockpile of some sorts in case something untoward were to happen, whatever that may be. It's just good sense. And what does it hurt? You can utilize your provisions as you replace them over time, and if disaster hits, you'll be feeling pretty damn smug.

The issue with survivalists isn't that they prepare, it is that oftentimes their preparation leads them down some path of crazy where something MUST happen, damn it, else why have they spent so much effort preparing for it?

12 Nov 2012 12:41 PM
Sticky Hands     
Utah desert.... LiveScience sat down with the Southwicks to hear more about why they are prepping for a doomsday event, and what possessed them to stockpile more than 2,000 pounds (907 kilograms) of flour, sugar and wheat, not to mention 14 guns and eight chickens, enough to support their family of eight for more than one year.

so.. just at or below the "recommended food storage" for the area.

My grandparents had a couple years worth of food storage, and extra belt onions, as was the fashion at the time.

And yet, grandma died of starvation... :(

12 Nov 2012 12:42 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom     

olddinosaur: The probability of a total collapse is unlikely, but prolonged financial hardship is almost a sure shot.

Greece is out the tubes for $1.5 trillion, or $300,000 per working person---of which there are very few. Amerika is out the tubes for $16 trillion and change, and they are talking raising taxes on everyone who still has a job; have fun with that!

The Dollar has already gone from $835 to $1730 in real money value over the last four years, and more deterioration is damn likely.

Try $7 gasoline, $16 per six--pack Heineken and $8 Big Macs, and see what it would do to your budget, assuming you could keep a job paying the same rate; fat chance.

Then figure out how much worse it would get if everyone who pays taxes went on strike.


If Atlas shrugged, you mean?

12 Nov 2012 12:42 PM
halloran     
What happened to the people in New York and New Jersy?

"Hurricane Sandy's damage still causing issues
Weeks since Hurricane Sandy smashed into the east coast, New York and New Jersey are still trying to repair and fix the damage caused by the storm, however, complications caused by the nor'easter storm have slowed repairs. "

Wouldn't it be nice if you were prepared for such a disaster? Ah it can't happen to you right? LOL at all the people who think this guy is crazy for preparing. Like he said... if nothing happens they still use all the food and gas. There's nothing wrong with being smart and prepared and making sure your family is safe if something happens. I hope you people will prepare a little in case something bad happens in your family. You can't predict the future. But you can prepare for it.

12 Nov 2012 12:42 PM
IamAwake     

RoxtarRyan: woman doesn't even know to let her hair down when she's donning a protective mask


that's his 14yo daughter. Can't imagine what all that is doing to her head

12 Nov 2012 12:43 PM
groppet     
Why would you want to live through the doomsday? "Hi Im the Emperor of a pile of corpses and ashes."

12 Nov 2012 12:43 PM
olddinosaur     

Dinjiin: If there is a catastrophic disaster of some sort, just think for a second. What are the kind of people who are prepared to live through it? Mormons and other religious cults, fringe survivalists, eccentric rich folks, etc...

Maybe it would be better to die off in the initial days than it would be to live on in Earth 2.0 with the remaining scavengers and the nutjobs.


Why don't you check with anyone from New York or New Jersey and ask them how it feels to get hit with a disaster and not be prepared.

"-----Duh, don't worry, the gum--mint will take care of us!-----"

Yeah, sure.

12 Nov 2012 12:44 PM
heinrich66     
Preppers better prepare for my dick.

12 Nov 2012 12:44 PM
ideamaster     

Great Janitor: I was watching that show about Doomsday preppers and there was an episode about a prepper who had all kinds of stuff she was hoarding and refused guns because she honestly thought that come doomsday, or what ever big disaster, the best of humanity would come out and no one would try to use a gun to steal all of her stuff.


Or they could just be lying about the guns....

12 Nov 2012 12:44 PM
Nadie_AZ    [TotalFark]  
Our goal was to have a one-year supply of food. From there, you start thinking about water.

Oh hey look. Mormons. And crazy ones, too.

Braxton Southwick: And a generator. And a reserve of fuel. And it went on and on.

KS: And a sun oven.


See, these people give those of us who use solar ovens a bad name.

BS: I saw concerning world events happening, and I've always been a kind of doomsday guy. I don't think the world will end in 2012, but that whole Mayan thing got me into it more

*sigh*

12 Nov 2012 12:45 PM
BeatrixK    [TotalFark]  
I've watched this show before...the pants-crapping crazy is mindblowing. They've had some reasonably sane people on, (First one that comes to mind is the LA guy who was basically prepping for a major earthquake to hit LA, so he prepped himself for traveling on foot and foraging off natural plants found in the city.) but for the most part...it's truly a spectable of 'WTF?'

What I love is that they hoard these supplies and go on national television touting their defenses against the unprepared masses, and talk about what they would use. So, not only do you know who has the goods, but you also know what kind of assault they plan to use to protect it! (My doomsday prep will be a few grenades to lob at the fortress - SCORE~)

Seriously - from the guy who was buying storage containers to build his underground lair, to the NYC cop with 800 knives to fend off against the supervolcano, seriously - it's just a buffet of insane.

12 Nov 2012 12:45 PM
HartRend     
Yea, because we should all rely on FEMA for our preparation, because it worked out so well for New Jersey.

12 Nov 2012 12:46 PM
CygnusDarius     
My prepping steps are pretty much well-defined.

The museum I used to work with has a fully-functional (and in good condition, too) breastplate, complete with sword, gauntlets and helmet.

I'm taking that, adapting some ceramic plates underneath for extra protection, and wander the wasteland as a post-apocalyptic knight.

12 Nov 2012 12:47 PM
Lev_Astov     
Why go through all the trouble to prepare for a smallpox attack when you can just get your family a vaccine? Or do they not stock the vaccine anywhere in the world?

12 Nov 2012 12:48 PM
HST's Dead Carcass    [TotalFark]  

olddinosaur: Dinjiin: If there is a catastrophic disaster of some sort, just think for a second. What are the kind of people who are prepared to live through it? Mormons and other religious cults, fringe survivalists, eccentric rich folks, etc...

Maybe it would be better to die off in the initial days than it would be to live on in Earth 2.0 with the remaining scavengers and the nutjobs.

Why don't you check with anyone from New York or New Jersey and ask them how it feels to get hit with a disaster and not be prepared.

"-----Duh, don't worry, the gum--mint will take care of us!-----"

Yeah, sure.


Now tell us all how you are prepared for the Natural Disaster of your choosing.

12 Nov 2012 12:48 PM
Xcott     

Kit Fister: Best way to avoid infection, then, is to get the fark away from population centers, and avoid contact.


...and then eventually die from a toothache or ear infection.

I've never understood why the "survivalist" instinct drives people far away from the rest of society. Everything we know about history, society and biology tells us that we're better off in groups. There's a reason we don't disperse uniformly around the planet and all try to abandon ourselves on deserted islands.

That being said, I don't think it's bad for derpers to voluntarily select themselves out of the population when things go wrong. In fact, I find it astonishingly sophisticated behavior.

12 Nov 2012 12:50 PM
RoxtarRyan     

Kit Fister: The issue is not a "small pox bomb".

The issue is developing a virulent strain of smallpox or other similar disease that is easily communicable. Infect a bunch of people, then ship them off to various airports around the world, where they come in contact with and infect people going off to even more disparate destinations. From there, everyone they come in contact with that contracts the disease, plus all of the stuff they contaminate, continue to spread the disease until you have a full-scale cascading epidemic.

Best way to avoid infection, then, is to get the fark away from population centers, and avoid contact.


I've avoided "prime targets" like Times Square on New Year's Eve specifically for this. Millions of people from all over the world in one place? Easy target for a terrorism group with minimal funding, a basic chemistry set and an internet connection to plant some releasing agents the size of Axe body spray containers on the ground. Everyone leaves, goes back to their homes, don't start showing symptoms for 3-5 days, and are contagious for anytime from then upwards until death (depending on the agent).

World-wide epidemic in less than a few weeks. Minimal effort and financial cost.

12 Nov 2012 12:50 PM
Pinner     
Got about 12 gallons of gas, 25 gal. water, a water filter, camp stoves with butane and propane. Fishing gear. Tents.
The usual stuff that is on hand to go camping. IN UTAH!!!

12 Nov 2012 12:52 PM
olddinosaur     
Current national debt is $16 trillion and change, or about $100,000 per person with a job.

Government is talking about raising taxes "---but only on the rich!---" which does not sound too bad, until you stop to consider: rich people don't pay taxes, they only pass on the costs.

We have more people sucking on the tit than at any time in history, and we are perilously close to the tipping point: the few who are working will figure it is not worth the trouble and join the many millions who have given up already.

Spending cuts are not an option, people vote for a free suck on the tit, they expect to get it. Government will collapse rather than downsize, if the USSR is any indication, and I am sure the USSA will go down the same hole.

12 Nov 2012 12:53 PM
Pinner     

olddinosaur: Current national debt is $16 trillion and change, or about $100,000 per person with a job.

Government is talking about raising taxes "---but only on the rich!---" which does not sound too bad, until you stop to consider: rich people don't pay taxes, they only pass on the costs.

We have more people sucking on the tit than at any time in history, and we are perilously close to the tipping point: the few who are working will figure it is not worth the trouble and join the many millions who have given up already.

Spending cuts are not an option, people vote for a free suck on the tit, they expect to get it. Government will collapse rather than downsize, if the USSR is any indication, and I am sure the USSA will go down the same hole.


C'mon! Who DOESN'T want to suck titties for free?!
Shut up, Napoleon.

12 Nov 2012 12:55 PM
Molavian     
I like to use my "survival gear" when I do something called "camping".

I know it's tough for city slickers to computate.

12 Nov 2012 12:55 PM
The5thElement     
I suspect most preppers are secretly hoping for the worst just so they get an opportunity to kill someone.

12 Nov 2012 12:55 PM
Nadie_AZ    [TotalFark]  

halloran: What happened to the people in New York and New Jersy?

"Hurricane Sandy's damage still causing issues
Weeks since Hurricane Sandy smashed into the east coast, New York and New Jersey are still trying to repair and fix the damage caused by the storm, however, complications caused by the nor'easter storm have slowed repairs. "

Wouldn't it be nice if you were prepared for such a disaster? Ah it can't happen to you right? LOL at all the people who think this guy is crazy for preparing. Like he said... if nothing happens they still use all the food and gas. There's nothing wrong with being smart and prepared and making sure your family is safe if something happens. I hope you people will prepare a little in case something bad happens in your family. You can't predict the future. But you can prepare for it.


I agree with being prepared. I also agree with knowing your surroundings, and what types of emergencies can arise based on those surroundings. But to suggest that we can all be prepared for anything at all times. Well ... that's not possible. Sometimes sh*t happens and you have to do the best you can.

12 Nov 2012 12:56 PM
Sultan Of Herf     

halloran: What happened to the people in New York and New Jersy?

"Hurricane Sandy's damage still causing issues
Weeks since Hurricane Sandy smashed into the east coast, New York and New Jersey are still trying to repair and fix the damage caused by the storm, however, complications caused by the nor'easter storm have slowed repairs. "

Wouldn't it be nice if you were prepared for such a disaster? Ah it can't happen to you right? LOL at all the people who think this guy is crazy for preparing. Like he said... if nothing happens they still use all the food and gas. There's nothing wrong with being smart and prepared and making sure your family is safe if something happens. I hope you people will prepare a little in case something bad happens in your family. You can't predict the future. But you can prepare for it.


Thats the theory of the wife and I. We live in FL, prone to hurricanes. Even if a big apocalypse/socitey collapse, etc never happens...theres a god chance a hurricane will. A good supply of food, water, first aid supplies, survival gear, and ammo for our guns just makes sense.

12 Nov 2012 12:56 PM
Tom_Slick     
I love this show, truly a guilty pleasure. Now that said, some of the things these guys advocate makes good sense.

Good Ideas:

Storm coming? 5 days of food and water can't hurt.

Solar Cell phone chargers are less than $30 these days and work pretty well.

All important documents and prescriptions in one handy place if you need to evacuate due to storm, fire etc.

Fully Stocked up to date First Aid kit.

12 Nov 2012 12:57 PM
mbillips     

olddinosaur: The probability of a total collapse is unlikely, but prolonged financial hardship is almost a sure shot.

Greece is out the tubes for $1.5 trillion, or $300,000 per working person---of which there are very few. Amerika is out the tubes for $16 trillion and change, and they are talking raising taxes on everyone who still has a job; have fun with that!

The Dollar has already gone from $835 to $1730 in real money value over the last four years, and more deterioration is damn likely.

Try $7 gasoline, $16 per six--pack Heineken and $8 Big Macs, and see what it would do to your budget, assuming you could keep a job paying the same rate; fat chance.

Then figure out how much worse it would get if everyone who pays taxes went on strike.


Herp! Herp a derp! Herpity derpa derp!

I wish you farking blowhards would go ahead and go Galt, so other people could take your jobs. There are LOTS of qualified people looking for better work, who'd be thrilled to pay the higher taxes that go with higher income.

12 Nov 2012 12:57 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom     

Molavian: I like to use my "survival gear" when I do something called "camping".

I know it's tough for city slickers to computate.


You take gas masks and hazmat suits with you on camping trips? That's.. interesting.

12 Nov 2012 12:57 PM
th0th     
M-O-O-N, that spells Utah, laws yes.

12 Nov 2012 12:58 PM
bwilson27     
Smallpox attack...
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12 Nov 2012 12:58 PM
Englebert Slaptyback    [TotalFark]  

The biggest fear of a doomsday prepper in the Utah desert


Can we pair up a wizened Navy guy with one of these folks for a reality series?

We could call it "Salt and Prepper".

12 Nov 2012 12:58 PM
Rapmaster2000    [TotalFark]  
LiveScience: Do you think the world is fundamentally different than before?
BS: Definitely. Just seeing the unrest in the entire Middle East.


As opposed to the other times in the last 60 years when the Middle East was calm and peaceful.

12 Nov 2012 12:59 PM
Satanic_Hamster     

halloran: What happened to the people in New York and New Jersy?

"Hurricane Sandy's damage still causing issues
Weeks since Hurricane Sandy smashed into the east coast, New York and New Jersey are still trying to repair and fix the damage caused by the storm, however, complications caused by the nor'easter storm have slowed repairs. "

Wouldn't it be nice if you were prepared for such a disaster? Ah it can't happen to you right? LOL at all the people who think this guy is crazy for preparing. Like he said... if nothing happens they still use all the food and gas. There's nothing wrong with being smart and prepared and making sure your family is safe if something happens. I hope you people will prepare a little in case something bad happens in your family. You can't predict the future. But you can prepare for it.


There's a difference between being prepared for a hurricane and preparing for an alien attack.

12 Nov 2012 12:59 PM
olddinosaur     

HST's Dead Carcass: olddinosaur: Dinjiin: If there is a catastrophic disaster of some sort, just think for a second. What are the kind of people who are prepared to live through it? Mormons and other religious cults, fringe survivalists, eccentric rich folks, etc...

Maybe it would be better to die off in the initial days than it would be to live on in Earth 2.0 with the remaining scavengers and the nutjobs.

Why don't you check with anyone from New York or New Jersey and ask them how it feels to get hit with a disaster and not be prepared.

"-----Duh, don't worry, the gum--mint will take care of us!-----"

Yeah, sure.

Now tell us all how you are prepared for the Natural Disaster of your choosing.


My hometown has been struck by hurricanes six times between 1919 and 1980, and since then we have escaped damage. That means, if you add up the people who have moved in, ther ones who have moved away, those who have been born and thiose who have died, 75% of the people in my home town have never seen a hurricane at all---abnd 90% have never seen a bad one.

By the law of averages, we are long overdue to get clobbered good.

I keep a 30--day food supply, a 20 day water supply, 600 gallons of wash water, a battery powered solar water heating system, a 3250--watt generator, 270 watts of solar panels and 5 deep cycle batteries with 1500 watts capacity each. I generally stock 10 gallons of gasoline, which is enough to run my motorcycle 700 miles, or my generator 40 hours. If a storm threatens, I would also hustle down to the ATM to download some cash. The only thing I don't stockpile is beer, for obvious reasons.

I carry all this stuff because it is better to have it and not need it than the other way round.

I pay for life insurance too and I am not the slightest bit disappointed when I don't die.

12 Nov 2012 01:00 PM
gothelder     
Wonder how the NYC firefighter from season1 did during the hurricane?

12 Nov 2012 01:01 PM
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