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   You know those signs that say "Speed limit enforced by aircraft" ? You can probably ignore them

12 Nov 2012 07:04 PM   |   30535 clicks   |   Washington Times
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Gig103    [TotalFark]  
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12 Nov 2012 05:53 PM
Nadie_AZ    [TotalFark]  

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I thought those were only here in Arizona? I remember that one and the jet fighter one. Glad someone else does, too.

12 Nov 2012 05:55 PM
ZAZ    [TotalFark]  
They're not bluffing in California. More accurately, they're bluffing 99% of the time instead of 100%.

Airborne police use pavement markings to figure your speed. Roads with markings to measure speed are illegal "speed traps" under California law. When the case goes to court the guy in the plane says he was pacing you and only using the road markings to determine his ground speed.  So far courts have accepted this testimony.

12 Nov 2012 05:56 PM
xynix    [TotalFark]  
Aircraft are expensive.. Even my little puddle jumper (172) has a $10-20k maintenance cost a year. That doesn't include fuel and oil.

The old joke is: How do you make $1 million in the aircraft industry? Pump in $2 million.

12 Nov 2012 06:01 PM
Gig103    [TotalFark]  

xynix: Aircraft are expensive.. Even my little puddle jumper (172) has a $10-20k maintenance cost a year. That doesn't include fuel and oil.


Total side track, how many hours are you doing to have those maintenance costs, if you don't mind me asking? I think about going for a license every so often and it's hard to gauge what the costs of ownership are compared to renting (at ~ $150/hr for a 172 wet).

12 Nov 2012 06:08 PM
netringer    [TotalFark]  

xynix: Aircraft are expensive.. Even my little puddle jumper (172) has a $10-20k maintenance cost a year. That doesn't include fuel and oil.


On what? A club pane with lotsa hours? Maintenance on mine can be $2K-$4K a year. Shared crappy hangar is $200 a month

12 Nov 2012 06:14 PM
xynix    [TotalFark]  

netringer: xynix: Aircraft are expensive.. Even my little puddle jumper (172) has a $10-20k maintenance cost a year. That doesn't include fuel and oil.


On what? A club pane with lotsa hours? Maintenance on mine can be $2K-$4K a year. Shared crappy hangar is $200 a month


I use it for work when travelling to locations within a 5 hour span so it gets a lot of hours. Tomorrow I'm flying to Tampa and then on Wednesday I'm flying to Birmingham. Hell I just had to replace the trim servo and that cost was $3500. I'm not sure how you can get away with it so cheap.. My annual is usually $5k. Rebuilt the engine last year and that cost around $15k. It's only 8 years old too.

Gig103: Total side track, how many hours are you doing to have those maintenance costs, if you don't mind me asking? I think about going for a license every so often and it's hard to gauge what the costs of ownership are compared to renting (at ~ $150/hr for a 172 wet).


You can always go into partnership with a couple people. That's what I did at first and we each put in around $500 a month for running costs and paid fuel/oil out of our own pockets. There were 3-4 of us at any given time. It worked out really well. Now I'm putting a couple hundred a year on it and I expense driven mileage which usually pays for fuel and oil for the distances involved. The maintenance costs still run me high to higher depending on what breaks on the damn thing.

12 Nov 2012 06:22 PM
LegacyDL     
Have radar detector, will travel.

/Don't care if they're illegal in VA

12 Nov 2012 07:08 PM
sure haven't     
They have those signs here in Ontario, Canada too. They can safely be ignored here as well.

/dnrtfa

12 Nov 2012 07:10 PM
Senseless_drivel     
Not to make anyone paranoid but some states have been experimenting with low cost drones for this purpose for at least 10 years now.

12 Nov 2012 07:11 PM
skinink     
I wish I was allowed to ticket all the cops I see making right turns but not using their directionals.

12 Nov 2012 07:11 PM
YouPeopleAreCrazy     

LegacyDL: Have radar detector, will travel.

/Don't care if they're illegal in VA


The radar detector detectors apparent;y do work.

Cost me $115 to find that out.

12 Nov 2012 07:12 PM
Porous Horace     
I remember once being stressed out and hyperventilating while at the harbour when a guy in a jet boat pulled up, gave me a ticket and pointed to a sign that read "Air Limit Enforced By Speedcraft".

12 Nov 2012 07:13 PM
Cybernetic     
I always have.

12 Nov 2012 07:14 PM
marius2    [TotalFark]  
I've always wondered how the hell they are enforced.

12 Nov 2012 07:14 PM
NkThrasher    [TotalFark]  
Subby says 'can' like we haven't been since the first time we saw the signs.

12 Nov 2012 07:15 PM
davidphogan     

Senseless_drivel: Not to make anyone paranoid but some states have been experimenting with low cost drones for this purpose for at least 10 years now.


I'm sure as soon as the FAA lets them every police dept in the US will want to move on to that.

12 Nov 2012 07:15 PM
ICDedPpl    [TotalFark]  
Citizen.. Pull ovah!!!!
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12 Nov 2012 07:16 PM
Cybernetic     

YouPeopleAreCrazy: LegacyDL: Have radar detector, will travel.

/Don't care if they're illegal in VA

The radar detector detectors apparent;y do work.

Cost me $115 to find that out.


The detector detectors can sense the emissions of the oscillator that is built into a radar detector. Yes, they work.

12 Nov 2012 07:17 PM
bunner     
And you know what's f*cked up? Those cops? Sitting there, in the medial, or up in the air, or behind the billboard?

They're not thinking "This enforcement is necessary to the safety of not only the speeders, but the other people on the road who could be involved in MVAs that aren't their fault."

No. They are sitting there, biting their lip, saying "Come on, you motherf*ckers! Somebody speed! Somebody blow past me at 90! I got a quota!"

Serve and protect my pert, white, untanned ass. I hope their whole damn million dollar toy box gets repo'd.

12 Nov 2012 07:18 PM
dofus     
Ignore, you say?

These guys beg to differ:

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12 Nov 2012 07:18 PM
The Glorified Jailer     

ZAZ: They're not bluffing in California. More accurately, they're bluffing 99% of the time instead of 100%.

Airborne police use pavement markings to figure your speed. Roads with markings to measure speed are illegal "speed traps" under California law. When the case goes to court the guy in the plane says he was pacing you and only using the road markings to determine his ground speed.  So far courts have accepted this testimony.



Ya, it's called math, you must be an elephant.

12 Nov 2012 07:18 PM
YouPeopleAreCrazy     

Cybernetic: The detector detectors can sense the emissions of the oscillator that is built into a radar detector. Yes, they work.


From 100+ feet away, at 70+mph. Yes they work.

12 Nov 2012 07:22 PM
sethen320     
I usually do ignore them. They're always in the middle of bumfark nowhere on an interstate which can easily accommodate quicker traffic.

12 Nov 2012 07:23 PM
NkThrasher    [TotalFark]  

Cybernetic: The detector detectors can sense the emissions of the oscillator that is built into a radar detector. Yes, they work.


So put everything but the antenna for the detector into a Faraday cage grounded to the cars frame?

12 Nov 2012 07:23 PM
clowncar on fire     

marius2: I've always wondered how the hell they are enforced.


I'm sure if they still do it like this nowadays but back when I was I was a lad it was pretty effective.

12 Nov 2012 07:23 PM
Debeo Summa Credo     

Cybernetic: YouPeopleAreCrazy: LegacyDL: Have radar detector, will travel.

/Don't care if they're illegal in VA

The radar detector detectors apparent;y do work.

Cost me $115 to find that out.

The detector detectors can sense the emissions of the oscillator that is built into a radar detector. Yes, they work.


You just need to get yourself a radar detector detector detector. I hear Crapco sells a pretty good model. They also sell a radar detector detector detector detector detector, when you're ready.

/obscure? C'man, this has got to be obscure!

12 Nov 2012 07:23 PM
clowncar on fire     

clowncar on fire: marius2: I've always wondered how the hell they are enforced.

I'm sure if they still do it like this nowadays but back when I was I was a lad it was pretty effective.


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12 Nov 2012 07:24 PM
Rozinante     
Somebody painted over all the road markings near here the night before a summer long weekend. Man, they were furious.

12 Nov 2012 07:24 PM
Gyrfalcon    [TotalFark]  
I never ignored them. I just never saw any.

12 Nov 2012 07:25 PM
Nick Nostril     
Who the hell can speed with all the slather asses driving 5 under in every lane?

12 Nov 2012 07:27 PM
Slu     
I actually can't believe they ever did enforcement by aircraft. I thought those signs were there so stupid people would follow them. Kinda like the "Employees Must Wash Hands After Using Bathroom" signs.

12 Nov 2012 07:27 PM
W.C.fields forever    [TotalFark]  
Usually aware of cops(looking in rear-view,and all)
I saw that sign once i was like Hendry Hill in Good Fellas.

12 Nov 2012 07:28 PM
cig-mkr     
Well in a coupe years the feds will have a bunch of these with nothing to do.
Give them to the states to generate revenue.
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12 Nov 2012 07:30 PM
wildcardjack    [TotalFark]  

Gig103: xynix: Aircraft are expensive.. Even my little puddle jumper (172) has a $10-20k maintenance cost a year. That doesn't include fuel and oil.

Total side track, how many hours are you doing to have those maintenance costs, if you don't mind me asking? I think about going for a license every so often and it's hard to gauge what the costs of ownership are compared to renting (at ~ $150/hr for a 172 wet).


A piece of advice I got from an aircraft mechanic was that if if flies, floats or farks it's cheaper to rent.

12 Nov 2012 07:30 PM
ZeroTheHero     

Debeo Summa Credo: Cybernetic: YouPeopleAreCrazy: LegacyDL: Have radar detector, will travel.

/Don't care if they're illegal in VA

The radar detector detectors apparent;y do work.

Cost me $115 to find that out.

The detector detectors can sense the emissions of the oscillator that is built into a radar detector. Yes, they work.

You just need to get yourself a radar detector detector detector. I hear Crapco sells a pretty good model. They also sell a radar detector detector detector detector detector, when you're ready.

/obscure? C'man, this has got to be obscure!


Trace buster buster buster busters are never obscure

12 Nov 2012 07:35 PM
The All-Powerful Atheismo     

cig-mkr: Well in a coupe years the feds will have a bunch of these with nothing to do.
Give them to the states to generate revenue.
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Stop giving them farking ideas

12 Nov 2012 07:35 PM
Leeds     
Those signs have always bothered me.

Monitored? Perhaps.

Enforced? Absolutely not.

12 Nov 2012 07:35 PM
Phil Moskowitz     
I imagine this program was started back when ticket collecting wasn't exclusively a money grab.

12 Nov 2012 07:35 PM
GoldDude     

sure haven't: They have those signs here in Ontario, Canada too. They can safely be ignored here as well.

/dnrtfa


As someone who was nailed by the aircraft enforcement on Hwy 401 between Toronto and Kingston, I will disagree with that assessment.

I was behind a left-lane hog who was not going faster than the rest of the traffic. I waited at a safe distance, then admittedly nudged a little bit closer to give him the hint to get out of the left lane. He then hit his brakes, and I got pissed off, and stomped on the gas and went over one lane, then another lane and passed in the right-most lane. When I was entering the middle lane again, I saw the cop ahead off the side of the road on an entrance ramp. BUSTED.

So yeah, he pulls me over, and takes my licence and registration, then comes back with TWO tickets: speeding (134km/h in 100 zone) and "following too close".
I challenge the tickets on the grounds of "WTF??" on the "following too close". Due diligence comes back with photo of me behind the left lane prick.

So, maybe not all the time, but there is aircraft enforcement in Ontario.

\I did manage to plea down the charges, dropped the "following too close" (which is usually only really charged when you run into someone) and pleaded guilty to the speeding. The Subaru STI can go from a sedate 110km/hr to 134 km/hr in the blink of an eye. One little stomp will do it.

12 Nov 2012 07:36 PM
Kumana Wanalaia     

cig-mkr: Well in a coupe years the feds will have a bunch of these with nothing to do.
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You're expecting an outbreak of world peace?

12 Nov 2012 07:36 PM
Oldiron_79     
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/oblig


Do you have 20 seconds to comply?

12 Nov 2012 07:39 PM
ZAZ    [TotalFark]  
You just need to get yourself a radar detector detector detector.

There used to be radar detectors with one of those built in. The detector would shut itself off when it detected a detector detector.

I use a V1 without that feature. I don't care if it's detectable because detectors are legal where I drive. I've heard it's hard to detect, and that it's easy to detect. One of those is probably true.

12 Nov 2012 07:39 PM
cig-mkr     

The All-Powerful Atheismo: cig-mkr: Well in a coupe years the feds will have a bunch of these with nothing to do.
Give them to the states to generate revenue.
[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Stop giving them farking ideas


Worry not, they will probably be flying over cities anyway.
/ adjusting tin foil hat now.

12 Nov 2012 07:39 PM
JerkStore     
I have, indeed, been issued a ticket from an airplane. They radio a ground-based unit and tell him who to pull over. He confirms it when the car is pulled over. I actually was sitting in the police car when I asked him to confirm, and the pilot said, "Yep, looking right down the sunroof at him." Now I know to slow down when I see the wide white stripes painted perpendicular to traffic. See the stripes, slow down below the limit so the time it takes you to go through the pacing area is suitably long to suggest legal speeds.

I'm a lot more concerned about when they're going to start issuing tickets on turnpikes with toll booths for reaching a particular exit too soon...

12 Nov 2012 07:41 PM
Mazzic518     

cig-mkr: The All-Powerful Atheismo: cig-mkr: Well in a coupe years the feds will have a bunch of these with nothing to do.
Give them to the states to generate revenue.
[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Stop giving them farking ideas

Worry not, they will probably be flying over cities anyway.
/ adjusting tin foil hat now.


Arent they already?

12 Nov 2012 07:42 PM
SoCalChris     

ZAZ: Airborne police use pavement markings to figure your speed. Roads with markings to measure speed are illegal "speed traps" under California law. When the case goes to court the guy in the plane says he was pacing you and only using the road markings to determine his ground speed. So far courts have accepted this testimony.


In 2001, I was pulled over on I15 near Baker. I had been spotted by a CHP airplane going approximately 150. He radioed to a patrol car, who got me on radar going 106. That was an expensive trip to Vegas.

/I haven't driven like that in a looong time

12 Nov 2012 07:43 PM
Mazzic518     

cig-mkr: The All-Powerful Atheismo: cig-mkr: Well in a coupe years the feds will have a bunch of these with nothing to do.
Give them to the states to generate revenue.
[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Stop giving them farking ideas

Worry not, they will probably be flying over cities anyway.
/ adjusting tin foil hat now.


Link

12 Nov 2012 07:46 PM
BitwiseShift     

cig-mkr: Well in a coupe years the feds will have a bunch of these with nothing to do.
Give them to the states to generate revenue.


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Or they could ride-share with international drug cartels and publicize that fact.

Imagine a self-righteous citizen screaming about spending more time catching real criminals instead of trapping speeders.

12 Nov 2012 07:47 PM
Indubitably     
Ignore at yer peril.

12 Nov 2012 07:49 PM
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