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   Tesla's Model S has swept Yahoo Auto, Automobile Magazine, and MotorTrend's Car Of The Year awards. Welcome back, American ingenuity. We've missed you

13 Nov 2012 06:57 AM   |   13324 clicks   |   Motor Trend
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Hanky    [TotalFark]  
sounds impressive

13 Nov 2012 12:20 AM
knbber2    [TotalFark]  
Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.

13 Nov 2012 12:25 AM
Bladel    [TotalFark]  

knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.


I'm interested. The range seems closer to 275, which should cover most days. $60k is about the same as a BMW, except for the "never buy gas again" bit.

13 Nov 2012 12:29 AM
ThunderPelvis     

knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.


If you'd RTFA, you would have noticed that their new Supercharger stations give the cars an extra 150 miles after 30 minutes of charging.

The price will go down after infrastructure and production start ramping up. You think Joe Sixpack was driving the first production models of gasoline-powered cars?

13 Nov 2012 12:35 AM
MisterTweak    [TotalFark]  

knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.


In the last year, that wouldn't have been a problem for me, even when I was running in circles for work and various errands. And 60k is competitive with a BMW 5, lexus, or merc - all nice cars, but hardly exotics. Yes, a little out of my range, but another decent year in the market, who knows?

I don't see them becoming the replacement for the one-car minivan-owning family (if one exists anywhere in the US anymore), but they've gone from being a wildly exotic plaything of millionaires, to being a "maybe I'll take a look at it" alternative.

13 Nov 2012 12:38 AM
m3000    [TotalFark]  

knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.


Who drives more than 200 miles in a day on average?

And the few times a year someone does need to drive further, then just Priceline a rental car for a few days (~$12 a day usually). Or you know, use the second vehicle that the people who can drop $60K on a car usually have. If I was in the market for a car in that price range, I'd buy one.

13 Nov 2012 12:44 AM
Relatively Obscure    [TotalFark]  

knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.


There aren't too many days when that range would pose a problem for me. It is kinda expensive, sure, but it's a newish technology and in a 'luxury' model.

13 Nov 2012 12:47 AM
phrawgh     
Great idea, in theory.
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13 Nov 2012 07:01 AM
Mrbogey     
Ingenuity would be making one of these for the price of a standard car. If costs aren't a factor, you can build damn near anything.

13 Nov 2012 07:02 AM
enry    [TotalFark]  

Mrbogey: Ingenuity would be making one of these for the price of a standard car. If costs aren't a factor, you can build damn near anything.


And yet the major car companies and all their years and billions in research gave us...the Chevy Volt

13 Nov 2012 07:05 AM
Shirley Ujest     
Interesting.

13 Nov 2012 07:06 AM
Honest Bender    [TotalFark]  

knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day?


A lot of people, actually. Now, obviously this is still a niche product. I don't know about you, but I live in an apartment complex so there's no convenient way for me to charge an electric car in the parking lot. So right away the bulk of your market is going to be people with a home/garage. But considering the price tag, most people in the market for a car like this probably already own their own home.

But if I had the means I'd definitely snap one of these up. Slap some solar panels on the roof of the garage and a small battery array... For most people, it would save them a couple/few hundred dollars a month. Not really enough to recoop your costs on everything, but still pretty nice. Maybe even enough to take a good sized bite out of the monthly car payment...

And as others have said, the electric car in general is still more or less in its infancy. I'll be interested to see where this leads the auto industry in 10 years.

13 Nov 2012 07:08 AM
AverageAmericanGuy    [TotalFark]  
The 'Car of the Year' awards are all slanted towards luxury models.

You'll never see the Toyota Tercel or Honda Civic winning one. The basis for judgment is skewed towards high end models.

13 Nov 2012 07:08 AM
Litig8r     
Is the Tesla the one that catches fire in a crash? Or is that the Fisker?

13 Nov 2012 07:14 AM
jbuist     

enry: And yet the major car companies and all their years and billions in research gave us...the Chevy Volt


Well, and the Nissan Leaf, which goes further than the Volt, costs thousands less, and it's pure EV, no gas at all.

13 Nov 2012 07:15 AM
abhorrent1     

knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.


$49K according to their website. And I doubt most people drive 200 or more miles a day. I probably do 60 with work and misc errands. I don't think they had cross-country road trips in mind when they came up with the idea. It's a shame they can't make them affordable enough that regular people could get one though.

13 Nov 2012 07:15 AM
Honest Bender    [TotalFark]  

AverageAmericanGuy: The 'Car of the Year' awards are all slanted towards luxury models.

You'll never see the Toyota Tercel or Honda Civic winning one. The basis for judgment is skewed towards high end models.


You're complaining that the better cars always get the award for best car? Maybe we could give your Tercel a participation ribbon. Would that make you feel better?

13 Nov 2012 07:15 AM
Rapmaster2000    [TotalFark]  
I heard that these cars will make you gay.

13 Nov 2012 07:17 AM
AverageAmericanGuy    [TotalFark]  

Honest Bender: AverageAmericanGuy: The 'Car of the Year' awards are all slanted towards luxury models.

You'll never see the Toyota Tercel or Honda Civic winning one. The basis for judgment is skewed towards high end models.

You're complaining that the better cars always get the award for best car? Maybe we could give your Tercel a participation ribbon. Would that make you feel better?


What makes it better? If it dominates its class, should it be docked because it isn't a class higher?

13 Nov 2012 07:18 AM
Generation_D    [TotalFark]  
OMG, want.

13 Nov 2012 07:18 AM
lewismarktwo     
All that's needed are standardized battery packs and you could 'fill up' faster than with an internal combustion engine by swapping out packs. They already do this in Spain or Israel or something.

13 Nov 2012 07:19 AM
DSanchez     

AverageAmericanGuy: The 'Car of the Year' awards are all slanted towards luxury models.

You'll never see the Toyota Tercel or Honda Civic winning one. The basis for judgment is skewed towards high end models.


Actually, the civic won in 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Tr end_Car_of_the_Year

13 Nov 2012 07:21 AM
dp3     
For those talking about range issues, EVs are not at the stage where you can do a practical long-haul drive. They are for city commuting and smaller trips, nobody realistically drives 100-200 miles daily in a single go... You can go to work, use 80% of your range, charge there while you're not using the car, and in 2-3 hours your car is back at 100%.

A guy just completed a trip from SF to LA in a day (400mi) in a BMW ActiveE that only gets 106mi of range on a good day. Practical? No. Feasible? Totally.

13 Nov 2012 07:21 AM
AverageAmericanGuy    [TotalFark]  

DSanchez: AverageAmericanGuy: The 'Car of the Year' awards are all slanted towards luxury models.

You'll never see the Toyota Tercel or Honda Civic winning one. The basis for judgment is skewed towards high end models.

Actually, the civic won in 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Tr end_Car_of_the_Year


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13 Nov 2012 07:23 AM
Rapmaster2000    [TotalFark]  
I need to drive 500 miles a day and pull 5 tons of concrete on a trailer so these cars are stupid. This is even dumber than the subway. Can you get 5 tons of concrete on a subway? No. Because it is stupid. Who would ever use that?

13 Nov 2012 07:26 AM
abhorrent1     

Rapmaster2000: I heard that these cars will make you gay.


No. That's weed.

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13 Nov 2012 07:29 AM
Bacontastesgood     

Honest Bender: You're complaining that the better cars always get the award for best car? Maybe we could give your Tercel a participation ribbon. Would that make you feel better?


Luxury is not necessarily "better". Anyway, I'm thinking it's trollin you're responding to: The Civic won for Motor Trend in 2006, and close to half the time their choice is distinctly non-luxury.

13 Nov 2012 07:29 AM
dp3     

dp3: For those talking about range issues, EVs are not at the stage where you can do a practical long-haul drive. They are for city commuting and smaller trips, nobody realistically drives 100-200 miles daily in a single go... You can go to work, use 80% of your range, charge there while you're not using the car, and in 2-3 hours your car is back at 100%.

A guy just completed a trip from SF to LA in a day (400mi) in a BMW ActiveE that only gets 106mi of range on a good day. Practical? No. Feasible? Totally.


For those interested:
Man attempts to drive from San Francisco to Los Angeles in a Day

13 Nov 2012 07:30 AM
Rapmaster2000    [TotalFark]  

abhorrent1: Rapmaster2000: I heard that these cars will make you gay.

No. That's weed.


That's awesome.

13 Nov 2012 07:32 AM
baka-san    [TotalFark]  
Meanwhile, off the car radar, several bike start-ups are getting better by the month.

13 Nov 2012 07:33 AM
Bomb Head Mohammed     
knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.

You must have a most impressive collection of both NASCAR and Git-R-Done hats, t-shirts, and belt buckles.

13 Nov 2012 07:35 AM
ryarger     
I wonder where TM would be if they named themselves "Smith Motors" rather than trade on the name of the most popular engineer in history.

The five letters "Tesla" are like an orgasmatron for nerds who understand engineering better than they do science.

/But his music rocked, I'll give him that

13 Nov 2012 07:36 AM
Langdon_777    [TotalFark]  

abhorrent1: Rapmaster2000: I heard that these cars will make you gay.

No. That's weed.

[i184.photobucket.com image 380x532]


Sooo hope that is satire.

Oh and the car looks sweet.

13 Nov 2012 07:36 AM
HotWingConspiracy     
They were pretty much guaranteed to succeed after being called losers by Romney. Guy is a mush.

13 Nov 2012 07:36 AM
Bomb Head Mohammed     
AverageAmericanGuy: The 'Car of the Year' awards are all slanted towards luxury models. You'll never see the Toyota Tercel or Honda Civic winning one. The basis for judgment is skewed towards high end models.

You mean like my Ford Mondeo, which won the UK equivalent 3 years in a row?

13 Nov 2012 07:36 AM
JohnnyC     
If I was wealthy, I would already have my order in on one of these.

I am not wealthy though... so $60k for a car is totally unrealistic for me.

13 Nov 2012 07:37 AM
BigBooper     

abhorrent1: knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.

$49K according to their website. And I doubt most people drive 200 or more miles a day. I probably do 60 with work and misc errands. I don't think they had cross-country road trips in mind when they came up with the idea. It's a shame they can't make them affordable enough that regular people could get one though.


I'd say that the vast majority of Americans don't drive that in a normal day. A quick Google shows that the average American commuter drives 32 miles a day round trip. Even if that number is doubled for some metropolitan areas, 200 miles per charge is way more than enough.

The Tesla S is going to be a HUGE status symbol for those that would normally buy a new BMW or Lexus.

13 Nov 2012 07:39 AM
JohnnyC     

Bomb Head Mohammed: You mean like my Ford Mondeo, which won the UK equivalent 3 years in a row?


They renamed that car the "Contour" here in the states. The Contour SVT was closer to the Mondeo than the other variants of it though.

13 Nov 2012 07:40 AM
Harry Freakstorm     
I'm in. I'll tool down the road. My horn will blare "I PAY NO ROAD USE TAX SUCKERS!" I'll tell the SUV fatass in the cube next to me "Kindly, fatass, perchance thee to fill your tank tonight. There's an awful pothole on my commute and I desire it filled. My car, lamentably, pays naught a cent of tax for such trifles."

Then I would push the company to set up a charging station near the entrance. Like a Handicapped parking but without all those gimpy overtones. When I walk past it, I'll say something like "Look that person is making a difference. Reducing our reliance on terrist oil and pushing U S American technology forward. What a real American hero he must be. Not like those lazy get blowed up soldiers in AfgahnIraq."

13 Nov 2012 07:46 AM
swingbozo     
Other Motor Trend "Cars of the year?" The Chevrolet Corvair. The Ford Maverick. Mighty fine company you are keeping there, Tesla.

13 Nov 2012 07:46 AM
Mr. Right    [TotalFark]  
Having a farm and needing to haul heavy stuff and also not being very darned close to anything so that driving is required, the idea of an electric car appeals to me not even a little bit. However, train locomotives are electric vehicles that happen to have their own, onboard diesel generator, They can obviously haul heavy loads and trains offer the most best ton/mile fuel efficiency, other than a barge floating down the river.

Not an engineer so can any of the Fark automotive experts tell me if a car/truck with an efficient diesel engine powering an electric motor is feasible? It would seem to me that a 2 cylinder diesel could run a significant electric motor and, with even a modest storage battery on board, could be a lot more efficient and allow a much greater range. Or are there vehicles out there that do that already? Or is it just a colossally stupid idea?

13 Nov 2012 07:54 AM
AverageAmericanGuy    [TotalFark]  

Mr. Right: Having a farm and needing to haul heavy stuff and also not being very darned close to anything so that driving is required, the idea of an electric car appeals to me not even a little bit. However, train locomotives are electric vehicles that happen to have their own, onboard diesel generator, They can obviously haul heavy loads and trains offer the most best ton/mile fuel efficiency, other than a barge floating down the river.

Not an engineer so can any of the Fark automotive experts tell me if a car/truck with an efficient diesel engine powering an electric motor is feasible? It would seem to me that a 2 cylinder diesel could run a significant electric motor and, with even a modest storage battery on board, could be a lot more efficient and allow a much greater range. Or are there vehicles out there that do that already? Or is it just a colossally stupid idea?


The Chevy Volt does that.

13 Nov 2012 07:55 AM
SDRR     

enry: Mrbogey: Ingenuity would be making one of these for the price of a standard car. If costs aren't a factor, you can build damn near anything.

And yet the major car companies and all their years and billions in research gave us...the Chevy Volt


Yea, but there is no range issue in the Volt. If you need to cruise on the interstate, get gas. Just like you do now. GM can blow me for collapsing and requiring that bailout, but the Volt is a great concept. I'll give them that.

13 Nov 2012 07:58 AM
baka-san    [TotalFark]  

swingbozo: Other Motor Trend "Cars of the year?" The Chevrolet Corvair. The Ford Maverick. Mighty fine company you are keeping there, Tesla.


I hate Motor Trend..

But...

The Corvair was and still is awesome, and the Maverick was one unkillable sob, my grandparents had one till like '88-'89

13 Nov 2012 07:58 AM
dp3     

BigBooper: abhorrent1: knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.

$49K according to their website. And I doubt most people drive 200 or more miles a day. I probably do 60 with work and misc errands. I don't think they had cross-country road trips in mind when they came up with the idea. It's a shame they can't make them affordable enough that regular people could get one though.

I'd say that the vast majority of Americans don't drive that in a normal day. A quick Google shows that the average American commuter drives 32 miles a day round trip. Even if that number is doubled for some metropolitan areas, 200 miles per charge is way more than enough.

The Tesla S is going to be a HUGE status symbol for those that would normally buy a new BMW or Lexus.


^this.

Both Audi/VW and BMW are working on EVs, because I think that they've noticed that some of the market is headed this way.

BMW Born Electric
Audi E-tron

13 Nov 2012 07:59 AM
SDRR     

Rapmaster2000: abhorrent1: Rapmaster2000: I heard that these cars will make you gay.

No. That's weed.

That's awesome.


13 Nov 2012 08:00 AM
Roy_G_Biv     
Tesla won Motor Trend's Car Advertiser of the Year award? Just how much taxpayer money are they getting that they can afford to buy an award like that?

And what do these multipage ad spreads look like?


/Doesn't read Motor Trend

13 Nov 2012 08:00 AM
Icetech3     
Lets not talk about how bad electric cars are for the environment... A: Create a shiatton of batterys.. take a look at the chemicals used... B: Batteries have a VERY short lifespan, especially compared to a gas motor.. C: Hey! Lets dispose of those shiatty toxic batteries by the thousands now... The whole electric car idea is bullshiat being pushed on people. Just horrible...

P.S. you should learn the truth behind recycling.. just recycling paper is VERY bad for the environment... the chemicals used.. AND the power used to recycle even paper is unreal..

13 Nov 2012 08:00 AM
Greymalkin     

Bladel: knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.

I'm interested. The range seems closer to 275, which should cover most days. $60k is about the same as a BMW, except for the "never buy gas again" bit.


Or you could still just buy a BMW (yes it does still use a little bit of fuel) but doesn't have that distance limitation if you want to have a good day's country highway driving.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_i8

IMO it looks better too. 

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13 Nov 2012 08:02 AM
SDRR     

Harry Freakstorm: I'm in. I'll tool down the road. My horn will blare "I PAY NO ROAD USE TAX SUCKERS!" I'll tell the SUV fatass in the cube next to me "Kindly, fatass, perchance thee to fill your tank tonight. There's an awful pothole on my commute and I desire it filled. My car, lamentably, pays naught a cent of tax for such trifles."

Then I would push the company to set up a charging station near the entrance. Like a Handicapped parking but without all those gimpy overtones. When I walk past it, I'll say something like "Look that person is making a difference. Reducing our reliance on terrist oil and pushing U S American technology forward. What a real American hero he must be. Not like those lazy get blowed up soldiers in AfgahnIraq."


That was beautiful.

13 Nov 2012 08:03 AM
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