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   "Say, now that you mention it, I got a text from my daughter saying the furnace in the unsellable home was acting up." Good thing all the residents were out of the house when it blew. Too early in the week for a caturday submission, though

13 Nov 2012 08:46 AM   |   8384 clicks   |   IndyStar
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JackieRabbit     
Up next: murder investigation. No simple gas leak could cause that.

13 Nov 2012 08:50 AM
ranev700     
Christian lightning?

13 Nov 2012 08:50 AM
MagicBus     
The ex-husband of Monserrate Shirley, the woman who lives at 8349 Fieldfare, said a text message from his daughter told him the heat went out about a week and a half ago. He believes a faulty furnace may have caused the blast.

"I bet you anything that's why it happened," John Shirley said. Monserrate Shirley has declined multiple interview requests.



Surely he can't be serious.

13 Nov 2012 08:51 AM
The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves     

MagicBus: The ex-husband of Monserrate Shirley, the woman who lives at 8349 Fieldfare, said a text message from his daughter told him the heat went out about a week and a half ago. He believes a faulty furnace may have caused the blast.

"I bet you anything that's why it happened," John Shirley said. Monserrate Shirley has declined multiple interview requests.


Surely he can't be serious.


His name is...

dammit

13 Nov 2012 08:54 AM
RandomRandom     
I don't know why this is at all surprising. A house that size can hold 30 to 40 THOUSAND cubic feet of gas, maybe more.

1. furnace was broken (no pilot light = lots of gas able to leak)
2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)
3. no crater (explosives typically leave one, gas doesn't)
4. no explosives residue

It was an extreme example of a natural gas explosion, but yes, it was a Natural Gas Explosion.

13 Nov 2012 08:58 AM
SDRR     

RandomRandom: I don't know why this is at all surprising. A house that size can hold 30 to 40 THOUSAND cubic feet of gas, maybe more.

1. furnace was broken (no pilot light = lots of gas able to leak)
2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)
3. no crater (explosives typically leave one, gas doesn't)
4. no explosives residue

It was an extreme example of a natural gas explosion, but yes, it was a Natural Gas Explosion.


San Francisco nods in agreement.
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13 Nov 2012 09:02 AM
lenfromak    [TotalFark]  
Unsellable, you say?

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13 Nov 2012 09:03 AM
badhatharry    [TotalFark]  
Drone strike. Missed him by that much.

13 Nov 2012 09:03 AM
PunGent     

JackieRabbit: Up next: murder investigation. No simple gas leak could cause that.


Manslaughter, maybe. But a gas leak? Sure it could...we had one in Boston a couple years back, did about as much damage.

Paramedic I used to know told me gas explosions were weird calls...you'd have two dead...REALLY dead, no issues there...and about two dozen cases of cut feet, from all the neighbors getting up in the middle of the night to find out what blew their windows in...

13 Nov 2012 09:12 AM
JackieRabbit     

RandomRandom: I don't know why this is at all surprising. A house that size can hold 30 to 40 THOUSAND cubic feet of gas, maybe more.

But they have ventilation systems to prevent such a slow build up of gas

1. furnace was broken (no pilot light = lots of gas able to leak)

Modern furnaces do not have pilot lights. They use electronic ignition. Mine will shut itself down if gas is detected outside the fire chamber.

2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)

No, it wasn't vacant. Two bodies were pulled from the wreckage.

3. no crater (explosives typically leave one, gas doesn't)

The explosion was caused by gas, but not a small leak.

4. no explosives residue

It was an extreme example of a natural gas explosion, but yes, it was a Natural Gas Explosion.


And I suspect that it was intentional.

13 Nov 2012 09:16 AM
IamPatSajak     
Why was the cat being boarded? That seems very strange.

13 Nov 2012 09:17 AM
Girion47     
Posted this in the last thread:

I'm just going to throw some numbers out, largely pointless.

Natural Gas.
Specific Gravity - 0.55-0.64(depending on additives) So Natural Gas is lighter than air, a leak in the basement would certainly fill the house top-down.

Flash Point - -306F
Auto-Ignition - 1004F
Lower Flammable Limit - 4.8%
Upper Flammable Limit - 15%
Energy Released by the combustion of Natural Gas - 37 MegaJoules/cubic meter
Assuming 30 cubic ft. house you'd have 849.5 cubic meters.

So for an explosion, at most,(keeping in mind the upper flammability limit) you could have 127.4 cubic meters of gas.

Which would generate. 4.7 GigaJoules of energy. At once. A little over 1 ton of TNT(4.184×10^9 J).

13 Nov 2012 09:18 AM
sodomizer     
Hell of a dramatic way to pull off a murder or insurance scam, since it made the national news and all. Could be someone was hoping for the equivalent of a giant BBQ rig instead.

13 Nov 2012 09:18 AM
Holocaust Agnostic     
So it wasn't an Obama drone?

13 Nov 2012 09:23 AM
Pockafrusta     
Fishy story seems fishy... Cat lived but neighbors died because neighbors didn't get the same message that the cat got.

13 Nov 2012 09:24 AM
Civchic     
The adults out at a casino, the daughter at a friends, okay. Lucky.

The cat was being boarded? I have cats, you can leave them home for a few days with a bowl of food and a bowl of water. The worst you'll get is some crap on the floor when they get pissed that the box hasn't been scooped. Who boards their cat for an evening out? That's like $30 a day, for a family who's heat went out a week and a half before that and presumably hadn't been fixed yet. In November (ie they're broke).

Yeah, that ain't suspicious.

13 Nov 2012 09:25 AM
Dead-Guy     

RandomRandom: I don't know why this is at all surprising. A house that size can hold 30 to 40 THOUSAND cubic feet of gas, maybe more.

1. furnace was broken (no pilot light = lots of gas able to leak)
2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)
3. no crater (explosives typically leave one, gas doesn't)
4. no explosives residue

It was an extreme example of a natural gas explosion, but yes, it was a Natural Gas Explosion.


Reading between the lines, the nature of the explosion isn't really the story here. Everyone was conveniently somewhere else. The cat was being boarded for some unknown reason, while the daughter stayed with friends, mom and live-in boyfriend were at a casino, with videotaped alibis no less.

So NO ONE was home in a house that they couldn't sell last year on the market (tried until March of this year)..and owed two mortgages on, owned by a guy who tried to file for bankruptcy, and isn't permitted to live with them in the house due to a protective order against them.

Seems like a win-win-win-win-win situation right? Well, except for the two people that died, and the nearby folks that lost their homes.

Expect a follow-up.

13 Nov 2012 09:26 AM
TheGogmagog     
It was a gas leak, ignore anyone who says otherwise.

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/Too lazy to find the proper episode.
//Did the daughter ride the pony yet?

13 Nov 2012 09:26 AM
Pockafrusta     

Girion47: Posted this in the last thread:

I'm just going to throw some numbers out, largely pointless.

Natural Gas.
Specific Gravity - 0.55-0.64(depending on additives) So Natural Gas is lighter than air, a leak in the basement would certainly fill the house top-down.

Flash Point - -306F
Auto-Ignition - 1004F
Lower Flammable Limit - 4.8%
Upper Flammable Limit - 15%
Energy Released by the combustion of Natural Gas - 37 MegaJoules/cubic meter
Assuming 30 cubic ft. house you'd have 849.5 cubic meters.

So for an explosion, at most,(keeping in mind the upper flammability limit) you could have 127.4 cubic meters of gas.

Which would generate. 4.7 GigaJoules of energy. At once. A little over 1 ton of TNT(4.184×10^9 J).


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The answer is 1.21 Jigawatts.

13 Nov 2012 09:27 AM
Embden.Meyerhof     

RandomRandom: 2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)



Very good, but ethanethiol doesn't smell like rotten eggs, that's hydrogen sulfide.

13 Nov 2012 09:28 AM
Girion47     

Embden.Meyerhof: RandomRandom: 2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)


Very good, but ethanethiol doesn't smell like rotten eggs, that's hydrogen sulfide.


which has such a low odor threshold, in the parts per billion range, that a neighbor should have smelled it. Unless the house absolutely air tight.(which shouldn't be the case unless it was intentionally made so.)

13 Nov 2012 09:30 AM
Retractable Weeners     
Furnaces don't work like that. Everything on the 24 volt circuit depends on flame rectification. meaning if there was ever gas flow and no flame sensed, the circuit would go back to its normally open position on the gas valve, killing the gas altogether.

Fraud works like this.

13 Nov 2012 09:33 AM
China White Tea     

Girion47: Assuming 30 cubic ft. house you'd have 849.5 cubic meters.


30 cubic foot house?

Was it one of those Japanese coffin hotels? A 30 cubic foot room would be 6x5x1.

13 Nov 2012 09:35 AM
olapbill     

Embden.Meyerhof: RandomRandom: 2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)


Very good, but ethanethiol doesn't smell like rotten eggs, that's hydrogen sulfide.


Isn't Mercaptan added to natural gas pumped to homes to add the smell specifically for detection purposes?

13 Nov 2012 09:35 AM
Girion47     

China White Tea: Girion47: Assuming 30 cubic ft. house you'd have 849.5 cubic meters.

30 cubic foot house?

Was it one of those Japanese coffin hotels? A 30 cubic foot room would be 6x5x1.


I copied and pasted from the other thread. For some reason 30kraft. was changed to "30kraft" I fixed the "cubic foot" part and forgot about the "K"

13 Nov 2012 09:38 AM
bambi121899     
So...let me get this straight. You risk the lives of your neighbors so you can get out of your two mortgages. What a bunch of assholes.

13 Nov 2012 09:40 AM
I_C_Weener    [TotalFark]  
So it wasn't aliens?

13 Nov 2012 09:40 AM
Raider_dad     
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Thank you Mr. Acavano!

13 Nov 2012 09:49 AM
fatbear     

Retractable Weeners: Furnaces don't work like that. Everything on the 24 volt circuit depends on flame rectification. meaning if there was ever gas flow and no flame sensed, the circuit would go back to its normally open position on the gas valve, killing the gas altogether.

Fraud works like this.


Came here to say this.

Murder charges in 3...2...1...

13 Nov 2012 09:49 AM
fatbear     

Embden.Meyerhof: RandomRandom: 2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)


Very good, but ethanethiol doesn't smell like rotten eggs, that's hydrogen sulfide.


But considering the number of news organizations that have reported on the "rotten egg" smell added to natural gas, it's a forgivable error.

13 Nov 2012 09:50 AM
LDM90     
Monserrate...great, now I've got Kokomo stuck in my head.

13 Nov 2012 09:59 AM
Amos Quito     
The entire natural gas story sounds almost plausible. Building full of NG make BIG BOOM!

Furnace need not be the source, could have been a broken feed line from a gas dryer or stove, from the fireplace, etc.

I can even almost buy that the adults were out for the evening and the kid was with friends, but the cat?

Guilty or not, the cat will do them in.

13 Nov 2012 10:18 AM
dinosaursrock     
I copied and pasted from the other thread. For some reason 30kraft. was changed to "30kraft" I fixed the "cubic foot" part and forgot about the "K"

The profanity filter works in reverse, too!

13 Nov 2012 10:20 AM
Farker1138     

JackieRabbit:
No, it wasn't vacant. Two bodies were pulled from the wreckage.


The house that blew up was vacant. The two dead were the unlucky neighbors who probably had a perfectly good furnace.

13 Nov 2012 10:21 AM
nytmare     

IamPatSajak: Why was the cat being boarded? That seems very strange.


I wonder if they also rented out a self storage facility recently.

13 Nov 2012 10:27 AM
Kelvis     

nytmare: IamPatSajak: Why was the cat being boarded? That seems very strange.

I wonder if they also rented out a self storage facility recently.


And increased their home owners insurance.

13 Nov 2012 10:38 AM
Girion47     

dinosaursrock: I copied and pasted from the other thread. For some reason 30kraft. was changed to "30kraft" I fixed the "cubic foot" part and forgot about the "K"

The profanity filter works in reverse, too!


how is cu. and ft. combined, worthy of being filtered?

13 Nov 2012 10:39 AM
Ivo Shandor    [TotalFark]  

fatbear: But considering the number of news organizations that have reported on the "rotten egg" smell added to natural gas, it's a forgivable error.


It's not just news organizations - gas companies also compare the smell to rotten eggs.

13 Nov 2012 10:59 AM
WalMartian    [TotalFark]  

Civchic: The adults out at a casino, the daughter at a friends, okay. Lucky.

The cat was being boarded? I have cats, you can leave them home for a few days with a bowl of food and a bowl of water. The worst you'll get is some crap on the floor when they get pissed that the box hasn't been scooped. Who boards their cat for an evening out? That's like $30 a day, for a family who's heat went out a week and a half before that and presumably hadn't been fixed yet. In November (ie they're broke).

Yeah, that ain't suspicious.


Um, yeah. How convenient everyone was out of the house before it blew.

13 Nov 2012 11:01 AM
mesmer242     
My friend used to live near a house that blew up from a natural gas leak. The owner and all the neighbors had reported the smell but the gas company said it was nothing. Then the house blew up with the owner inside. There is now, not surprisingly, a lawsuit. This was a small leak, too - the pipe in the ground, I guess.

/csb

13 Nov 2012 11:10 AM
DeathCipris     
Being a homeowner myself, I hope the lazy farks that just let the furnace problem go are sued for everything they are worth for negligence. Just another example of someone else's laziness spilling over and affecting others.

13 Nov 2012 11:22 AM
dinosaursrock     
how is cu. and ft. combined, worthy of being filtered?

It's the 30k. Followed by the cu ft. Kraft.

13 Nov 2012 11:29 AM
RandomRandom     

JackieRabbit: Modern furnaces do not have pilot lights. They use electronic ignition. Mine will shut itself down if gas is detected outside the fire chamber.

No, it wasn't vacant. Two bodies were pulled from the wreckage.

3. no crater (explosives typically leave one, gas doesn't)


Wrong, the two killed didn't live there, they lived Next Door. They were not residents of the house that exploded. How do we know it was a modern furnace?

What we do know is that the furnace was broken. Broken how? Good question.

13 Nov 2012 11:43 AM
Girion47     

dinosaursrock: how is cu. and ft. combined, worthy of being filtered?

It's the 30k. Followed by the cu ft. Kraft.


I'm still not getting why that would be filter pwned.

13 Nov 2012 11:48 AM
queezyweezel    [TotalFark]  

bambi121899: So...let me get this straight. You risk the lives ofkilled your neighbors so you can get out of your two mortgages. What a bunch of assholes.


FTFY

13 Nov 2012 11:52 AM
bambi121899     

queezyweezel: bambi121899: So...let me get this straight. You risk the lives ofkilled your neighbors so you can get out of your two mortgages. What a bunch of assholes.

FTFY


To be fair, not all of the neighbors were killed. Regardless, still assholes.

/we're both right

13 Nov 2012 12:48 PM
Munchausen's Proxy     
Apparently, the daughter texted the father about the furnace not working. It will be interesting to find out if these texts exist. He is doing a lot of talking and ex wife is refusing to talk to anyone.

13 Nov 2012 12:51 PM
sporkme     
I live 6/10 of a mile from the house that exploded. The blast was incredible, and accompanied by strong pressure wave and followed by the ground shaking. It lit up the sky like a transformer going and you could see flaming debris flying hundreds of feet into the air. My ears rang. Pictures fell off the wall, light bulb filaments broke. My neighbor's brick fireplace cracked. Cracks in a concrete walk enlarged. Insulation was found 1-1/2 miles away, like in a tornado. People heard the blast as far as 25 miles away.
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On the police and fire scanner, you could hear the awe and near-panic in the voices of the first responders. There must have been a lull between the explosion and firestorm, since only two people died.
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It was like a thermobaric bomb.

/csb
//you ok? yeah, just gas.

13 Nov 2012 01:00 PM
Amos Quito     

sporkme: On the police and fire scanner, you could hear the awe and near-panic in the voices of the first responders. There must have been a lull between the explosion and firestorm, since only two people died.
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It was like a thermobaric bomb.

/csb
//you ok? yeah, just gas



Wow! Must have been wild!

Dig that "For Sale By Owner" sign in the top pic... Price reduced?

13 Nov 2012 02:50 PM
Smelly Pirate Hooker    [TotalFark]  
FTFA: "mounting evidence points to some kind of natural gas explosion"

No kidding.

For reals, are there that many other reasons why houses blow up? Like, blow up so catastrophically that they are reduced to blackened rubble and foundation?

13 Nov 2012 03:30 PM
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