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  • Right up until said idiot impresses enough television producers with his edgy, unpredictable, devil-may-care antisocial behavior to get his own reality show.
  • Depends. Are we talking a 15-year-old kid or Guy Fieri?
  • Still doesn't work on the shameless.
  • I suspect that the OK-ness of social shaming is pretty much dependent on how widely liked the sham-ee is.
  • Social media shaming, like other forms of social pressure, is not inherently evil: it can be used for highly constructive ends, including some that can be achieved no other way. But social pressure can also be abused for destructive ends, and social media shaming is no different. The real question is how to maximize the good that it does while minimizing abuse.
  • Can we categorize every human behavior as "good" or "bad"? Cause that would be really handy. I'd like to know where velcro "shoelaces" fit into the scheme of the goodbad continuum.
  • Accountability, motherfarker, how does it work?
  • I watched the video at the end, and how surprised was I to find that, "While Helms referred to the president using the N-word, she says that she is not racist and has many friends of varying backgrounds."

    Summary: Sure, I hope death on this n*gger politician but I'm not racist! I don't even see black and white! Just n*ggers and white people!

    Right, lady, right.
  • Eps05: Accountability, motherfarker, how does it work?


    If only there was some political identity that espoused such personal responsibility and accountability that could serve as a beacon to these folks.
  • BeesNuts: Can we categorize every human behavior as "good" or "bad"? Cause that would be really handy. I'd like to know where velcro "shoelaces" fit into the scheme of the goodbad continuum.


    Shoelaces are bad. Velcro is superior.

    If you have any more questions about morality, just let me know. I am the ultimate arbitrator.
  • Has Fark gone highbrow or am I in the middle of a stroke?
  • Omg people are saying dumb shiat on the internet, let's use their ignorance to direct hits to our site so we can sell more ads.
  • factoryconnection: Eps05: Accountability, motherfarker, how does it work?

    If only there was some political identity that espoused such personal responsibility and accountability that could serve as a beacon to these folks.


    The GAO?
  • And this is why I don't want the drinking age to be raised to 18. Just let the kids meet in a bar and make their remarks over a few beers. It doesn't leave a paper trail and as an added benefit you are more likely to be called on your bullshiat when your friends are actually there.
  • moothemagiccow: Omg people are saying dumb shiat on the internet, let's use their ignorance to direct hits to our site so we can sell more ads.


    This is just 21st-century update of "a fool and his money are soon parted."
  • I bet that stupid Turlock cow has a gaggle of snot-nosed bastards and an 8th grade education. She just has that look about her.

    Yeah, honey, he wants to "spread your wealth" - if anyone even wants your stained Beanie Babies collection, battered 1980 Ford Probe, threadbare size 18 thong underwear, and all-weather flip flops.
  • Pointing the Twitter finger at someone is OK.

    Firing someone you suddenly find repugnant is OK.

    Ordering pizzas and SWAT teams delivered to his house are not.
  • This is simply a natural evolution of the internet. As it becomes more ingrained into our culture behaviors on it is going to become more and more like real life.

    That means you can say whatever you want but in certain areas of the world it will earn you either a verbal or literal beat down. It can cost you your job, and invite the attention of authorities.

    The truly scary thing is unlike real life, once it's out there it is out there forever.

    That means shiat you do and say on the internet could come back and bite you in the ass long after you might have become a better person.

  • fireclown: I suspect that the OK-ness of social shaming is pretty much dependent on how widely liked the sham-ee is.



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    Indeed.
  • Oh, are we white-knighting the Twitter racists now?

    Freedom of speech/expression is NOT equal to freedom from consequences if other people don't like what you're saying. Deal with it.
  • The My Little Pony Killer: Oh, are we white-knighting the Twitter racists now?

    Freedom of speech/expression is NOT equal to freedom from consequences if other people don't like what you're saying. Deal with it.


    I agree. But there's the concept of consequences proportionate to the crime. Some call it "justice."
  • The My Little Pony Killer: Oh, are we white-knighting the Twitter racists now?

    Freedom of speech/expression is NOT equal to freedom from consequences if other people don't like what you're saying. Deal with it.


    I had to explain that to someone today. It's kind of sad.
  • Internet archaeologists? Is that a thing?
  • Excellent. Let's get going on Obama, pronto. There's no time to lose.
  • Social media is inherently shaming. It's just that people usually don't notice.
  • BarkingUnicorn:

    Ordering pizzas and SWAT teams delivered to his house are not.


    How much does it cost to order a SWAT team? I'm asking for a friend.
  • moothemagiccow: Omg people are saying dumb shiat on the internet, let's use their ignorance to direct hits to our site so we can sell more ads.


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  • What this idiot is saying is: "It's ok when we do it." while simultaneously denying the right of the opposition to do the same. Leftists want to shame homophobes for being homophobic. Rightists want to shame homosexuals for liking dick(and admitting it publicly).


    /People who advocate public shaming as an avenue of social change need to be put in stocks on the public square where we can humiliate them mercilessly until they change their hateful 17th century views of 'progress'
  • Can't_Think_Of_A_Name: BeesNuts: Can we categorize every human behavior as "good" or "bad"? Cause that would be really handy. I'd like to know where velcro "shoelaces" fit into the scheme of the goodbad continuum.

    Shoelaces are bad. Velcro is superior.

    If you have any more questions about morality, just let me know. I am the ultimate arbitrator.


    Thank farking God SOMEBODY around here does something worthwhile.
  • zarnik: What this idiot is saying is: "It's ok when we do it." while simultaneously denying the right of the opposition to do the same. Leftists want to shame homophobes for being homophobic. Rightists want to shame homosexuals for liking dick(and admitting it publicly).


    /People who advocate public shaming as an avenue of social change need to be put in stocks on the public square where we can humiliate them mercilessly until they change their hateful 17th century views of 'progress'


    It doesn't get better, does it?
  • zarnik: Leftists want to shame homophobes for being homophobic. Rightists want to shame homosexuals for liking dick(and admitting it publicly).


    Except that this is about people being racist.

    And you're damn right I want to shame bigots. fark their bigotry.
  • Social media shaming is one of the steps towards the Singularity. At some point everyone will have one of their most embarrassing moments or thoughts go viral for the rest of the world to mock. This will bring self awareness to the individual and show that all of us are flawed. We will strip off the shackles of inhibition and show our ugly side to the world. This will be a watershed moment in the evolution of humanity and one day early pioneers such as Star Wars Kid, Tron Guy and Mosh Girl will be heralded for their contributions.
  • ...with the caveat that Reintegrative Shaming produces a greater and more lasting positive behavior modification than Disintegrative (Stigmatizing) Shaming.

    While the latter comes more naturally to most of us (and generally feels better "in the moment" when we're feeling angry or indignant over someone else's bad behavior or harm that we experienced), the former is what works, at least if you're dealing with someone who is not a complete sociopath.

    I like doing what works.

    /5+ years in Corrections
    //Restorative Justice is the future -- works better, saves TAX $$$!
  • Awful lot of "BuzzFeed" links lately. Should they be tagged "Paid Placement"?
  • So basically the author's argument is that it's okay to humiliate, bully and attack people as long as you're with a group of people that don't like their opinion. IT ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
  • fyrewede: ...with the caveat that Reintegrative Shaming produces a greater and more lasting positive behavior modification than Disintegrative (Stigmatizing) Shaming.

    While the latter comes more naturally to most of us (and generally feels better "in the moment" when we're feeling angry or indignant over someone else's bad behavior or harm that we experienced), the former is what works, at least if you're dealing with someone who is not a complete sociopath.

    I like doing what works.

    /5+ years in Corrections
    //Restorative Justice is the future -- works better, saves TAX $$$!


    Reintegrative, disintegrative, whatever. It's still being a bully and a manipulator.

    /behavior modification theory belongs in prisons and mental hospitals, not schools and the public square
    //Department of Corrections protocols shouldn't be a model for how we treat each other in society
  • Moonlightfox: fyrewede: ...with the caveat that Reintegrative Shaming produces a greater and more lasting positive behavior modification than Disintegrative (Stigmatizing) Shaming.

    While the latter comes more naturally to most of us (and generally feels better "in the moment" when we're feeling angry or indignant over someone else's bad behavior or harm that we experienced), the former is what works, at least if you're dealing with someone who is not a complete sociopath.

    I like doing what works.

    /5+ years in Corrections
    //Restorative Justice is the future -- works better, saves TAX $$$!

    Reintegrative, disintegrative, whatever. It's still being a bully and a manipulator.

    /behavior modification theory belongs in prisons and mental hospitals, not schools and the public square
    //Department of Corrections protocols shouldn't be a model for how we treat each other in society


    No more positive and negative reinforcement, because that psychobabble is for prisons and mental hospitals?

    ok... Don't spank your kids, or reward them for good behavior either.

    Deviants are defined by the society they live in. We, as free Americans, are not anathema to deviance, but are, in fact tolerant of it. This is why we're awesome. However, deviants are still defined by the society they live in. If you are ashamed of being deviant, it's easy to fix. If you have no reason to be ashamed of your deviance, defend yourself. If you have a compelling argument for your deviance to be accepted by the mainstream, or at least not pariah to the mainstream, then we, as Free Americans, will grow to accept it for what it is.

    This is just a really complicated way to call out the whole "intolerance of intolerance is still intolerance" horseshiat that bigots like to play. It's not about tolerance. But deviance. 20 years ago, homosexuality was the deviant behavior. Now, homophobia is deviant.

    Homosexuals were able to change our minds. If being a homophobe is so noble, it shouldn't be hard for them to convince us either.

    /Right?
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