Honest Bender: Don't tease me...On the serious side, as a californian, I've often casually wondered about our state going rogue.
AverageAmericanGuy: We must rid our nation of pariah states. Texas is not that pariah.I'm looking at you, New Hampshire...
SgtArkie: I wonder how long it would last if all productive people went Galt
Creoena: On behalf of the rest of the United States, please let this be so
The Third Man: The problem with the "division clause" mentioned in the article, which would allow Texas to break into five stated: Congress must approve any new states of the union ( just like they have to approve Puerto Rico). End of that story.
BronyMedic: SgtArkie: I wonder how long it would last if all productive people went GaltYou mean if a source of perpetual energy in violation of the laws of thermodynamics existed, right? That's what you meant to say? Because that's the whole MacGuffin that makes the world of Atlas Shrugged even remotely plausible, and not an exercise in purely capitalistic mental masturbation.
DrPainMD: There's a legal principle (I forget what it's called) that says that any legislative act can be modified or repealed by any future legislature, so, yes, states can secede.
SgtArkie: no, I mean the productive people leave and do their own thing, let you robbers have 100% of nothing.
maggoo: One moron starts a petition, a couple thousand partisan morons vote it up to try to put the president in political hot water, and the media hypes it up as if it was something serious.
BronyMedic: The whole crux of the plot of Atlas Shrugged, and the "productive people" leaving, is the development of a perpetual energy generator, rendering all other forms of power generation and supply obsolete. Without that opus, the entire story falls flat on it's face.
BronyMedic: New rule for Journalists: If the answer to your headline's question-format subject can be phrased simply as "No.", don't write it as a question.Of course, the people of Texas could actually form an army of their own and "secede". To be quite frank, any group could do so and claim to secede, and defy the will of the Local, State, and Federal Government. However, it'd be just as legitimate as if I crowned myself the Prince of Equestria, and went around issuing official decrees based upon that. And any murder, mayhem, and crime they committed would be treated exactly thus. Murder, mayhem, and crime.Only in this case, it'd involve unleashing the United States Military on the American people. And they think the civil authorities are arbitrary and dictatorial?On second thought, Prince of Equestria don't sound half bad.
fnorgby: No.There's a Supreme Court case from the post-Civil War era that addressed whether Texas has a right to secede. SCOTUS said, basically, that the Union is an all-or-nothing deal. (Texas v White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868))
Xai: Even if it could, Do you really think a supermajority of voters (this would have to include 100% republicans and at least some democrats) would vote to secede? No. This is yet another baby-kicking-toys-out-of-crib move by whiny republicans upset that democracy actually works.
August11: I wonder what Texas is like?
August11: Some of the best people I have ever met were Texans. I met them in other states, other than Texas. They had moved out of Texas.I wonder what Texas is like?
BronyMedic: SgtArkie: no, I mean the productive people leave and do their own thing, let you robbers have 100% of nothing.So, as I said before, purely capitalistic intellectual circle jerk material.The whole crux of the plot of Atlas Shrugged, and the "productive people" leaving, is the development of a perpetual energy generator, rendering all other forms of power generation and supply obsolete. Without that opus, the entire story falls flat on it's face.
bunner: That's the cool thing about fiction. Much like cartoons, your characters can walk on walls and a black box can solve everything. That's why it's fiction.
fnorgby: No.There's a Supreme Court case from the post-Civil War era that addressed whether Texas has a right to secede. SCOTUS said, basically, that the Union is an all-or-nothing deal. (Texas v White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868))The issue, specifically: Texas had a bunch of US-issued bearer bonds, which it continued to sell after secession. After the Civil War, some officials of the pre-secession TX government sued to recover the money raised from those bonds. The post-war TX government didn't want to give up the money -- it claimed that the sales during the Civil War were legit, because the provisional government was the legitimate government of TX during the secession years.SCOTUS said no. The provisional government had no legitimacy, because a state -- ANY state, TX or not -- cannot secede. The sales were not legitmate.
BronyMedic: I can hate you one day, and love you the next.
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