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15 Nov 2012 09:45 AM   |   3915 clicks   |   Time
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SkunkWerks     
Facebook: Not a problem for people who don't use it.

15 Nov 2012 09:49 AM
Rapmaster2000     
It's the Harvard of the South!!!!

I should know, I'm from Tulsa... the Paris of Oklahoma.

15 Nov 2012 09:51 AM
The Third Man     
Headline: Colleges are using Facebook to screen out applicants

Article: "We don't actually use Facebook to screen out applicants. Well, apart from the real dumbasses who are putting racist or illegal activity there."

15 Nov 2012 09:53 AM
StrangeQ     

SkunkWerks: Facebook: Not a problem for people who don't use it.


over in one

15 Nov 2012 09:54 AM
JackieRabbit     
Reason number whatever it is not to use Facebook....

15 Nov 2012 09:57 AM
painless42     
your kid having comprimising stuff on Facebook so easily accessible that Martha the 48 yr old spinster cat-lady admissions officer can find it and red-flag you = parenting fail.

/and personal life fail for that matter.....

15 Nov 2012 09:59 AM
turboke     
In before "Duke sucks."

Duke sucks.

15 Nov 2012 10:00 AM
BolshyGreatYarblocks     
"It's common knowledge that employers do it, and people seem to accept that. But somehow higher ed is held to a higher standard."

How about if neither did this, Commissar? The irony here is that kids have to conceal the fact that they drink from schools which want them to have a good time by drinking once they get into their school.

And something else: how many of these frumpy admissions people spying on kids' webpages thought it was creepy that Tom Wolfe wrote a trenchant and accurate book about the lives of the people who attend schools like theirs?

15 Nov 2012 10:00 AM
orclover     

SkunkWerks: Facebook: Not a problem for people who don't use it.


Aparently not so. I dont use it at all. But if my kids never use it ever they wont get into a good college? Well thats kinda farked up.

15 Nov 2012 10:02 AM
tricycleracer     

SkunkWerks: Facebook: Not a problem for people who don't use it.


There was just an article earlier this week about how some government agencies find it suspicious if you claim to not have a Facebook account since handing over the username & password is a job requirement.

15 Nov 2012 10:02 AM
imtheonlylp     
Go Canes. Duke Sucks.

15 Nov 2012 10:05 AM
spentmiles     
If you're on Facebook then I highly doubt your going to a university for an education. The wise move would be to skip it and get into one of the simpler but decent paying trades like computer programming, public accounting, or nursing. But hey, Mr. 2000 Friends, you go right ahead and spend that $75,000 on your communications degree. I'm sure your beautifully embossed diploma will look great on your wall. Right under your recurring status update of, "Hey, unemployed day 2124. Anyone want to catch a dollar movie and see if we can find any popcorn to eat under the seats?" If you were as smart as they tell you and had as bright a future as they tell you - believe me, you'd already know it and wouldn't have an ounce of wonder.

15 Nov 2012 10:08 AM
SkunkWerks     

BolshyGreatYarblocks: How about if neither did this, Commissar?


How about if people just came to realize that Facebook has a purpose, and that purpose is primarily to BROADCAST everything you put on it to the WIDEST. POSSIBLE. AUDIENCE.

That last part? It doesn't mean "whoever I imagine will read it in my bedtime fantasies". It doesn't mean "whoever doesn't mean me harm, or holds any agenda that might run counter to my own".

It means EVERYONE.

Couple that with the fact that they insist it be linked to your real name, and a gajillion other holdings you may have on the internet representing your interests, habits and so forth should really be message enough to give you an idea of just what sort of experience you're in for.

Does Facebook have ways of limiting the audience? Sure it does. But since Facebook is first and foremost about broadcasting to the biggest audience possible, those options are either purposefully not very easy to use, and/or Facebook as little of a vested interest in making them any easier to access or use.

Point being: they don't care if you ramble to millions of internet-connected users about sleeping with sheep and subsequently embarrass yourself. They're never going to. There's no MONEY in it.



I know a lot of people get on it to feed the little attention whore deep down inside- I get that.

What I don't get is the people who complain when it DOES PRECISELY WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.

I'm not crazy about people who spy either. And if this were actually spying instead of dangling your privates out your car window in rush hour traffic on an eight lane interstate and then complaining when everyone who saw you took umbrage at your shameless display, this might trip that particular outrage impulse.

15 Nov 2012 10:11 AM
Millennium     
FTA: "I don't want what I put on my Facebook or what I don't put on my Facebook to sway their opinion of me," she says. "I just don't think it's fair for them to base acceptance on that."

It's unfair to base acceptance on things you have no problem with sharing with the world? For crying out loud, have a little integrity, or perhaps just think before you act. Either way will do you more good, both in college admissions or life in general, than bragging about the things you know you shouldn't be doing.

15 Nov 2012 10:11 AM
SkunkWerks     

tricycleracer: There was just an article earlier this week about how some government agencies find it suspicious if you claim to not have a Facebook account since handing over the username & password is a job requirement.

Solution:

Don't claim you don't have a facebook account, just don't have one.

Again we seem to have an issue here with the concept of how information travels, particularly that it only travels in one direction: there's no takebacks.

If you don't want someone to know something about you, don't gush to them about it.

15 Nov 2012 10:15 AM
The Irresponsible Captain     
If you're not smart enough to check your public profile and lock crap down when you're applying for College (a job, etc.) then maybe you're not smart enough to get into college?

Well, maybe we need to teach college prep in school as well. The average person doesn't always understand technology and privacy settings.

15 Nov 2012 10:19 AM
Mazzic518     
there are a whole lot of ignorant retards in this thread

15 Nov 2012 10:28 AM
Another Government Employee     

The Irresponsible Captain: If you're not smart enough to check your public profile and lock crap down when you're applying for College (a job, etc.) then maybe you're not smart enough to get into college?

Well, maybe we need to teach college prep in school as well. The average person doesn't always understand technology and privacy settings.


Most 15-16 year olds honestly wouldn't get that.

By the time most of them wake up, it is far too late.

Welcome to the surveillance society.

15 Nov 2012 10:29 AM
lostcat     
For this, and so many other reasons, I'm glad that the Internet was not ubiquitous when I was in high school.

15 Nov 2012 10:31 AM
bhcompy     

tricycleracer: SkunkWerks: Facebook: Not a problem for people who don't use it.

There was just an article earlier this week about how some government agencies find it suspicious if you claim to not have a Facebook account since handing over the username & password is a job requirement.


Yea, well, fark em. I don't use those things because of this crap. My son is 12 and already hates social media, so I don't think I have much to worry about there, either.

15 Nov 2012 10:34 AM
Millennium     
It does not make sense to trust a person or institution while knowing nothing about them, and this has only become more true as time has gone by. Despite this, any society larger than a tribe or a very small town requires one to trust lots of people and institutions, most of them sight-unseen, and this has also only become more true as time has gone by.

In order to cope with this paradox, people and institutions have been trying for decades to find out more about one another, to base trust decisions on better (or at least some) information. Some of these methods have been more ethically sound than others. Public Facebook information -data that one has chosen to share with the world- is probably one of the most ethical to date. Private Facebook information is another matter entirely, and there need to be laws against that. But this doesn't get rid of the age-old problem of trust.

15 Nov 2012 10:35 AM
HotIgneous Intruder     
1) If your college admissions people don't have pictures of you already, how can they know the page is yours unless you give them the link?
2) Don't give them the link and don't use facebook. Problem solved.
3) Make s squeaky-clean, model-citizen facebook profile and give them that one.

15 Nov 2012 10:41 AM
China White Tea     
Some colleges might also view such tactics as unethical: "If a student changes their name on Facebook because they want to hide something, you just wonder whether they want to be at an institution that values an Honor Code," McDuff says.

Er... how are you going to know they changed their name? All you're going to know is that you can't find a Facebook profile for them.

15 Nov 2012 10:48 AM
dittybopper    [TotalFark]  
Abigail Swift, a senior at BASIS Scottsdale in Arizona, deleted her Facebook account at the start of her junior year, just as she was beginning her college search. She says she plans to revive it in 2013, after being accepted to a university. "I don't want what I put on my Facebook or what I don't put on my Facebook to sway their opinion of me," she says. "I just don't think it's fair for them to base acceptance on that."

And she'll have to go through the entire process once again when she wants to get a job.

She's a fool: What you publicly post is, well, *PUBLIC*. And people judge you by how you act in public.

15 Nov 2012 10:55 AM
JackieRabbit     
New college admissions application question....

Where do you prefer to do your attention whoring:
A. Facebook
B. Myspace
C. Twitter
D. AdultFriendFinder
E. Craigslist Casual Encounters

15 Nov 2012 10:55 AM
fickenchucker     
I taught my kids to hate social media and the quality of people who use it. I have no FB account, they're in high school and do not have FB accounts, and know that if they acquire friends who rely on it to communicate, then those people are too shallow to worry about.

I Googled their idiot cousin and the kid shows up as a faux-rebellious skater-punk wannabe. I asked my kids if that's a good impression for someone who has to get into college and look for a decent job. My kids give me that confused dog look and say "Really? He thinks this a good idea?"

The cousin was so stupid he forgot most of his family was friended on FB and he started talking with his buddies about polishing his dolphin so much he has chaffed skin. His grandmother, my mother-in-law, knows that teenaged boys are weird, so wasn't mad, but did call her son to let him know the grandchild is kind of dumb and just embarrassed himself. Teenagers and FB are a terrible idea.

15 Nov 2012 10:56 AM
sodomizer     

BolshyGreatYarblocks: And something else: how many of these frumpy admissions people spying on kids' webpages thought it was creepy that Tom Wolfe wrote a trenchant and accurate book about the lives of the people who attend schools like theirs?


He really nailed them too. Some of the party scenes remind me of the dark and narrow hells that were part of my own college learning experience.

15 Nov 2012 10:58 AM
ph0rk     
We here in Chapel Hill chortle at Duke jokes, so really getting a kick, etc.

15 Nov 2012 10:59 AM
geekbikerskum     
I keep saying it: in ten or twenty years the only people who'll be able to get a job are the ten percent of the population who are so dead-boring that they've never made a questionable decision or done anything dubious or shady in their entire lives.

15 Nov 2012 10:59 AM
Flint Ironstag    [TotalFark]  

SkunkWerks: BolshyGreatYarblocks: How about if neither did this, Commissar?

How about if people just came to realize that Facebook has a purpose, and that purpose is primarily to BROADCAST everything you put on it to the WIDEST. POSSIBLE. AUDIENCE.

That last part? It doesn't mean "whoever I imagine will read it in my bedtime fantasies". It doesn't mean "whoever doesn't mean me harm, or holds any agenda that might run counter to my own".

It means EVERYONE.

Couple that with the fact that they insist it be linked to your real name, and a gajillion other holdings you may have on the internet representing your interests, habits and so forth should really be message enough to give you an idea of just what sort of experience you're in for.

Does Facebook have ways of limiting the audience? Sure it does. But since Facebook is first and foremost about broadcasting to the biggest audience possible, those options are either purposefully not very easy to use, and/or Facebook as little of a vested interest in making them any easier to access or use.

Point being: they don't care if you ramble to millions of internet-connected users about sleeping with sheep and subsequently embarrass yourself. They're never going to. There's no MONEY in it.



I know a lot of people get on it to feed the little attention whore deep down inside- I get that.

What I don't get is the people who complain when it DOES PRECISELY WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.

I'm not crazy about people who spy either. And if this were actually spying instead of dangling your privates out your car window in rush hour traffic on an eight lane interstate and then complaining when everyone who saw you took umbrage at your shameless display, this might trip that particular outrage impulse.



Facebook: You are not the customer. You are the product being sold.

15 Nov 2012 11:01 AM
FizixJunkee     

Rapmaster2000: It's the Harvard of the South!!!!

I should know, I'm from Tulsa... the Paris of Oklahoma.


I thought Vanderbilt was the Harvard of the South? Isn't Duke like the USC of the South?

\grew up in McAlester, the Gitmo of Oklahoma

15 Nov 2012 11:03 AM
StrangeQ     

geekbikerskum: I keep saying it: in ten or twenty years the only people who'll be able to get a job are the ten percent of the population who are so dead-boring that they've never made a questionable decision or done anything dubious or shady in their entire lives.


Nope. Just not the ones stupid enough to post it on a billboard for all the world to see.

15 Nov 2012 11:04 AM
BolshyGreatYarblocks     

SkunkWerks: BolshyGreatYarblocks: How about if neither did this, Commissar?

How about if people just came to realize that Facebook has a purpose, and that purpose is primarily to BROADCAST everything you put on it to the WIDEST. POSSIBLE. AUDIENCE.

That last part? It doesn't mean "whoever I imagine will read it in my bedtime fantasies". It doesn't mean "whoever doesn't mean me harm, or holds any agenda that might run counter to my own".

It means EVERYONE.

Couple that with the fact that they insist it be linked to your real name, and a gajillion other holdings you may have on the internet representing your interests, habits and so forth should really be message enough to give you an idea of just what sort of experience you're in for.

Does Facebook have ways of limiting the audience? Sure it does. But since Facebook is first and foremost about broadcasting to the biggest audience possible, those options are either purposefully not very easy to use, and/or Facebook as little of a vested interest in making them any easier to access or use.

Point being: they don't care if you ramble to millions of internet-connected users about sleeping with sheep and subsequently embarrass yourself. They're never going to. There's no MONEY in it.



I know a lot of people get on it to feed the little attention whore deep down inside- I get that.

What I don't get is the people who complain when it DOES PRECISELY WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.

I'm not crazy about people who spy either. And if this were actually spying instead of dangling your privates out your car window in rush hour traffic on an eight lane interstate and then complaining when everyone who saw you took umbrage at your shameless display, this might trip that particular outrage impulse.


But consider that there are authority figures out there getting paid considerable salaries to act on the assumption that people applying to universities or Fortune 500 companies like to hump sheep in moving vehicles and tell their friends about it.

15 Nov 2012 11:04 AM
FizixJunkee     

spentmiles: If you're on Facebook then I highly doubt your going to a university for an education. The wise move would be to skip it and get into one of the simpler but decent paying trades like computer programming, public accounting, or nursing.


So employers will hire accountants and nurses with no college education?

15 Nov 2012 11:06 AM
FizixJunkee     

JackieRabbit: New college admissions application question....

Where do you prefer to do your attention whoring:
A. Facebook
B. Myspace
C. Twitter
D. AdultFriendFinder
E. Craigslist Casual Encounters


F. Fark.com

15 Nov 2012 11:09 AM
StrangeQ     

fickenchucker: I taught my kids to hate social media and the quality of people who use it. I have no FB account, they're in high school and do not have FB accounts, and know that if they acquire friends who rely on it to communicate, then those people are too shallow to worry about.

I Googled their idiot cousin and the kid shows up as a faux-rebellious skater-punk wannabe. I asked my kids if that's a good impression for someone who has to get into college and look for a decent job. My kids give me that confused dog look and say "Really? He thinks this a good idea?"

The cousin was so stupid he forgot most of his family was friended on FB and he started talking with his buddies about polishing his dolphin so much he has chaffed skin. His grandmother, my mother-in-law, knows that teenaged boys are weird, so wasn't mad, but did call her son to let him know the grandchild is kind of dumb and just embarrassed himself. Teenagers and FB are a terrible idea.


Congratulations on raising some (seemingly) well-adjusted and intelligent young adults.

/no snark at all

15 Nov 2012 11:10 AM
Rwa2play     

SkunkWerks: Facebook: Not a problem for people who don't use it.


This.

15 Nov 2012 11:18 AM
FarkinCyclop     
[after Joel's Princeton interview]
Lana: So, how're we doin'?
Joel Goodson: Looks like University of Illinois!

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15 Nov 2012 11:28 AM
steve_wmn     

fickenchucker: I taught my kids to hate social media and the quality of people who use it. I have no FB account, they're in high school and do not have FB accounts, and know that if they acquire friends who rely on it to communicate, then those people are too shallow to worry about..


So, has "I don't have a Facebook account" this year's hipster brag replacing "I don't watch TV"? I have a Facebook account, my 15 year daughter has one and my 11 year old probably will when the time comes. The smart thing to do is have one and recognize that anything you post there can and will be seen by anybody, including your grandmother. So have some basic pictures there for everyone to see of you and your friends having good clean fun at the beach, hiking, or whatever. Things you are understandably proud of should be there to see. If you claim you don't even have one your social life will come across as empty, or too embarrassing for you to admit to, or something worse. Don't make Facebook or Twitter or whatever a place to air your political screeds.

15 Nov 2012 11:30 AM
Lunaville     
Per the article "No, many say, they don't look up every applicant online,.."

Our children's school gave a presentation on this topic to parents two or three years ago. It included a Mom that had been an admissions officer and still has contacts in the field. Many schools are researching nearly every applicant on-line. Administration routinely instructs personnel to withhold that information. We're not on Facebook and we don't allow our children near Facebook. It's amazing the number of people who think that is appalling. These people really think Facebook is a necessity equivalent to the telephone.

15 Nov 2012 11:42 AM
Clemkadidlefark     
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15 Nov 2012 11:46 AM
cs30109     

SkunkWerks: Facebook: Not a problem for people who don't use it.


Sure, until you apply somewhere that wonders what you're hiding by not having an account.

15 Nov 2012 11:48 AM
Lunaville     

China White Tea: Some colleges might also view such tactics as unethical: "If a student changes their name on Facebook because they want to hide something, you just wonder whether they want to be at an institution that values an Honor Code," McDuff says.

Er... how are you going to know they changed their name? All you're going to know is that you can't find a Facebook profile for them.


Of course, the scenario wherein college admission officers deny doing searches on applicants they are in fact doing, is jam-packed with integrity.

15 Nov 2012 11:49 AM
Lunaville     

steve_wmn: The smart thing to do is have one


Why? What purpose does it serve?

15 Nov 2012 11:52 AM
Lunaville     

cs30109: SkunkWerks: Facebook: Not a problem for people who don't use it.

Sure, until you apply somewhere that wonders what you're hiding by not having an account.


This logic is astounding. Facebook is now a necessity because not having a Facebook account is suspicious which is why Facebook is a necessity. Who can argue with solid reasoning like that?

15 Nov 2012 11:54 AM
TXEric     

steve_wmn: fickenchucker: I taught my kids to hate social media and the quality of people who use it. I have no FB account, they're in high school and do not have FB accounts, and know that if they acquire friends who rely on it to communicate, then those people are too shallow to worry about..

So, has "I don't have a Facebook account" this year's hipster brag replacing "I don't watch TV"? I have a Facebook account, my 15 year daughter has one and my 11 year old probably will when the time comes. The smart thing to do is have one and recognize that anything you post there can and will be seen by anybody, including your grandmother. So have some basic pictures there for everyone to see of you and your friends having good clean fun at the beach, hiking, or whatever. Things you are understandably proud of should be there to see. If you claim you don't even have one your social life will come across as empty, or too embarrassing for you to admit to, or something worse. Don't make Facebook or Twitter or whatever a place to air your political screeds.


I had FB for about 2 months a few years' back, mainly due to my sister badgering me about getting it so the family could keep in touch. The very first day after signing up, I was receiving friend requests from damn near everyone I went to HS with, and have not kept in touch with for one reason - I didn't care for them then, and sure as hell don't now. I graduated HS in '74, and I have never, ever been to a reunion.
Of course, I did have friends there, and I had them on FB as well. I also make it a point to stop and see them if we go back home. But after a couple of months of seeing the insanity that is the "FB Experience", I told them all that if they want to send me pics of the niece/nephew/kiddos/whatever, email them as an attachment to my personal email account. Deleted my FB account, and have never missed it.

Hipster? Heh... Hell no. I have several TV's (and watch way too much of it anyway), my idea of coffee is a few cups of Folger's in the morning (don't care for the "Starbucks Experience" either), and don't own any Apple products, so I don't think that term applies. I just didn't care for feeling obligated to log into a separate app and make sure I haven't missed anything. My folks, sister, and friends have no problem emailing me any pics they think I would like to see, and I don't have a care in the world whenever any news breaks about FB.

15 Nov 2012 11:56 AM
Flint Ironstag    [TotalFark]  
I can see a company starting up that will create and manage a Facebook account for you, one that will be full of your charity work, church, study, sport, sober parties, vacations in Europe visiting museum's and art galleries...
While you spend your time on your real account....

15 Nov 2012 11:58 AM
cs30109     

Lunaville: cs30109: SkunkWerks: Facebook: Not a problem for people who don't use it.

Sure, until you apply somewhere that wonders what you're hiding by not having an account.

This logic is astounding. Facebook is now a necessity because not having a Facebook account is suspicious which is why Facebook is a necessity. Who can argue with solid reasoning like that?


Well, it's not really a necessity. I doubt most places would really care in terms of hiring and admissions. But certainly, people will roll their eyes at someone who is too much of a cool dude to have a Facebook account.

15 Nov 2012 11:59 AM
Rindred     

steve_wmn: fickenchucker: I taught my kids to hate social media and the quality of people who use it. I have no FB account, they're in high school and do not have FB accounts, and know that if they acquire friends who rely on it to communicate, then those people are too shallow to worry about..

So, has "I don't have a Facebook account" this year's hipster brag replacing "I don't watch TV"? I have a Facebook account, my 15 year daughter has one and my 11 year old probably will when the time comes. The smart thing to do is have one and recognize that anything you post there can and will be seen by anybody, including your grandmother. So have some basic pictures there for everyone to see of you and your friends having good clean fun at the beach, hiking, or whatever. Things you are understandably proud of should be there to see. If you claim you don't even have one your social life will come across as empty, or too embarrassing for you to admit to, or something worse. Don't make Facebook or Twitter or whatever a place to air your political screeds.


I like using Facebook for my political screeds because I tend to side with compassion, tolerance, open-mindedness, scientific reason, etc. If one's view is such that you can look a poor child in the face and say it, then that's probably the right view.

15 Nov 2012 11:59 AM
Madame Psychosis    [TotalFark]  

steve_wmn:
So, has "I don't have a Facebook account" this year's hipster brag replacing "I don't watch TV"?


Yes. Yes it has.

Also, I thought your high-school/teen years were supposed to be the time in your life where you could do stupid shiat before you had to get serious and go to college. The way TFA makes it sound, you would be denied admission based on doing normal dumb teenager stuff, despite a glowing academic record and robust GPA. So let me get this straight - no real sex ed because we can't have them learning about that portion of adulthood, but we otherwise want them to act like sober, responsible adults from the time they're 14? Can we possibly stamp out any more fun in their lives? They have the whole rest of their adult lives to be boring and serious.

15 Nov 2012 12:04 PM
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