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15 Nov 2012 06:46 PM   |   11664 clicks   |   Bloomberg
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MFAWG     
Is this one of the guys Jon Stewart destroyed?

15 Nov 2012 06:50 PM
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fusillade762    [TotalFark]  
television networks know who's going to win the game and more or less how it's going to play out, inning-by-inning

Even Fox?

15 Nov 2012 06:51 PM
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CygnusDarius     

MFAWG: Is this one of the guys Jon Stewart destroyed?


Pretty much, yeah.

15 Nov 2012 06:52 PM
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fusillade762    [TotalFark]  

CygnusDarius: MFAWG: Is this one of the guys Jon Stewart destroyed?

Pretty much, yeah.


Monkey fishing?

15 Nov 2012 06:54 PM
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Bag of Hammers     

MFAWG: Is this one of the guys Jon Stewart destroyed?


No, Kinsley was long gone before Stewart killed them. He was Pat Buchanan's old foil.

15 Nov 2012 06:54 PM
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lordjupiter     
Easy to tell cnn was dragging out every second. so phony

15 Nov 2012 06:54 PM
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Loucifer     
Kinsley lives?!

15 Nov 2012 06:55 PM
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beenjammin     
If FOX News knew the results that well, they still hadn't come to terms with it by the time the election had wrapped up on the 7th.

15 Nov 2012 06:57 PM
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lacydog     
He mentions the "they don't report exit polling numbers because it might affect turnout", and immediately dismisses the point.

It's not a small point. If people are still voting in California, we shouldn't be saying "well... election's over". It WOULD affect turnout and if you're a moral person who values people participating in the democratic process, you should respect that.

Be cynical all you want. But it's not useful to criticize a news corporation for having one moral scruple about something - even if it also provides a nice side benefit for them of boosted ratings. There's a reason reporting on exit polling is banned in other countries.

15 Nov 2012 06:59 PM
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King Something    [TotalFark]  

15 Nov 2012 07:01 PM
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Zeno-25     

lacydog: There's a reason reporting on exit polling is banned in other countries.


Yes, there's nothing like restrictions on the free flow of information to enhance the democratic process. By that logic, let's put a muzzle on poll aggregators like Nate Silver because they can predict the election with a high degree of confidence weeks, if not months, from election day.

15 Nov 2012 07:05 PM
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mithras_angel     
Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.

15 Nov 2012 07:05 PM
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Talos     
This is news? Everyone knows the networks are going to portray it as a close race up until the results start rolling in. Otherwise, who would watch?

Hell, when Reagan completely crushed Carter in one of the most lopsided elections ever, the media had it as a "draw" up until the day of the election.

15 Nov 2012 07:08 PM
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Zeno-25     

Talos: This is news? Everyone knows the networks are going to portray it as a close race up until the results start rolling in. Otherwise, who would watch?

Hell, when Reagan completely crushed Carter in one of the most lopsided elections ever, the media had it as a "draw" up until the day of the election.


Because they stopped polling a week before the election. You know what else happened a week before the election? That pivotal, single debate. It was the same with Dewey and Truman, the polling agencies (at least the handful that existed, and the science was in its infancy) stopped polling a month before the election because they thought Dewey had it in the bag.

15 Nov 2012 07:12 PM
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bugontherug     
"Election day media coverage is completely fake. Everyone in the media really already knows the outcome of the election before polls are even closed in Florida," says man who learned nothing from the 2000 debacle.

15 Nov 2012 07:18 PM
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Big Man On Campus     
Kind of like all coverage of everything on the major networks?

/cannot remember a day when network news actually brought me news
//oh wait, yes I can, 9/11, but that was the only one.
///shut them down, shut them all down. Bias is only acceptable when I have choices.

15 Nov 2012 07:19 PM
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PluckYew     
Um shiathead, if you announce the winner at 6pm Eastern, you will suppress voter turnout in the West.

Then you might end up like these guys:

s8.postimage.org

15 Nov 2012 07:21 PM
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signaljammer     
B. .but W did significantly better than his exit polls in Fla.!

15 Nov 2012 07:22 PM
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lacydog     

Zeno-25: lacydog: There's a reason reporting on exit polling is banned in other countries.

Yes, there's nothing like restrictions on the free flow of information to enhance the democratic process. By that logic, let's put a muzzle on poll aggregators like Nate Silver because they can predict the election with a high degree of confidence weeks, if not months, from election day.


Correction, reporting on exit polling while voting is still open. And that's got nothing to do with the free flow of information - that information can still be supplied after the polls are closed. It has everything to do with not suppressing voter turnout.

15 Nov 2012 07:24 PM
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someguy945     
Do the campaigns also know who won well in advance?

Why does Joe Biden make a surprise stop in Ohio (or wherever it was, I forget) on election day if the results are already rock solid?

15 Nov 2012 07:25 PM
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TheOther     

someguy945: Do the campaigns also know who won well in advance?

Why does Joe Biden make a surprise stop in Ohio (or wherever it was, I forget) on election day if the results are already rock solid?


He wanted to give a teenage girl a ride in his biatchin' Trans Am.

15 Nov 2012 07:27 PM
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theincrediblemoo     
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I can never hear the word Crossfire without remembering this.

15 Nov 2012 07:28 PM
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Ed Grubermann    [TotalFark]  

Zeno-25: lacydog: There's a reason reporting on exit polling is banned in other countries.

Yes, there's nothing like restrictions on the free flow of information to enhance the democratic process.


If it keeps people from just giving up because the election has already been decided by the time they can get to a polling place, yes, it does enhance the democratic process.

15 Nov 2012 07:28 PM
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skinink     

Here's Karl Rove trying to stop Ohio from being called for Obama:


img37.imageshack.us


"Nein nein nein nein nein nein..."


15 Nov 2012 07:29 PM
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ciberido    [TotalFark]  

mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.


Um, no, you're thinking of Tucker Carlson. Tucker Max is an entirely different person.

15 Nov 2012 07:31 PM
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desertfool    [TotalFark]  

mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.


Tucker Carlson? Whatever happened to that dude?

15 Nov 2012 07:34 PM
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TheOther     

ciberido: mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.

Um, no, you're thinking of Tucker Carlson. Tucker Max is an entirely different person.


Have you ever seen them both at the same place, at the same time?

15 Nov 2012 07:35 PM
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ccundiff     

beenjammin: If FOX News knew the results that well, they still hadn't come to terms with it by the time the election had wrapped up on the 7th.


There was an apparent disparity between what Fox's analysts knew to be true, and what their anchors where able to grasp.

15 Nov 2012 07:39 PM
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neenerist     

Zeno-25: ....let's put a muzzle on poll aggregators like Nate Silver because they can predict the election with a high degree of confidence....


Silver's effect on the election was to spur the Democrats to action after the first debate. It was the opposite of instilling apathy.

15 Nov 2012 07:44 PM
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Gawdzila     
The on-air systematic dismantling and destruction of Crossfire at Jon Stewart's hands is still one of my favorite pieces of television. The fact that they brought him on as a guest, and then he took a giant steaming dump on their entire show and lit it on fire just amuses me to no end. The fact that Tucker Carlson and his ridiculous bow tie could only sit there and plaintively mewl about "b-b-b-but I thought you were supposed to be funny :( " made it extra satisfying.

15 Nov 2012 07:46 PM
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socoloco     
I'll buy that.

15 Nov 2012 07:48 PM
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ciberido    [TotalFark]  

TheOther: ciberido: mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.

Um, no, you're thinking of Tucker Carlson. Tucker Max is an entirely different person.

Have you ever seen them both at the same place, at the same time?


No, and I'd rather not see either of them anywhere. Carlson is a "libertarian conservative" and Max is to feminists what [GODWIN ALERT post aborted]

15 Nov 2012 07:53 PM
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LordOfThePings     
"Look at that. That's only 17 percent of the vote. We'll see how it goes tonight, but you watch it blue now."

mlkshk.com

15 Nov 2012 07:58 PM
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TomD9938     

Gawdzila: The on-air systematic dismantling and destruction of Crossfire at Jon Stewart's hands is still one of my favorite pieces of television. The fact that they brought him on as a guest, and then he took a giant steaming dump on their entire show and lit it on fire just amuses me to no end. The fact that Tucker Carlson and his ridiculous bow tie could only sit there and plaintively mewl about "b-b-b-but I thought you were supposed to be funny :( " made it extra satisfying.


The show was pretty much dead by then.

When Kinsley was there, it was the shiat and he was great.

I think Stewart was roller-blading his way through Mixed Nuts in those days.

15 Nov 2012 07:58 PM
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RubberBabyBuggyBumpers     

ciberido: mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.

Um, no, you're thinking of Tucker Carlson. Tucker Max is an entirely different person.


And the Tucker Carlson pwning by Jon Stewart was epic.

15 Nov 2012 08:01 PM
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Nem Wan     

lacydog: He mentions the "they don't report exit polling numbers because it might affect turnout", and immediately dismisses the point.

It's not a small point. If people are still voting in California, we shouldn't be saying "well... election's over". It WOULD affect turnout and if you're a moral person who values people participating in the democratic process, you should respect that.

Be cynical all you want. But it's not useful to criticize a news corporation for having one moral scruple about something - even if it also provides a nice side benefit for them of boosted ratings. There's a reason reporting on exit polling is banned in other countries.


Nate Silver already told us who would win. In every state.

15 Nov 2012 08:04 PM
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nytmare     
What fake news might look like

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15 Nov 2012 08:05 PM
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Tyrone Slothrop     

mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.


I thought Tucker Max was an office supply chain.

15 Nov 2012 08:10 PM
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HumanBeingsSuck     
Come on, all people who are moderately intelligent understand that television's job is to entertain us.

A lot of us can "predict" things with surprising accuracy, even if we aren't Nate Silver.

Most of us can still willingly suspend our disbelief.

I don't believe for a minute that Republicans actually thought they had a good chance of winning the Presidency. What O'Reilly said about the white establishment now being a minority was meant to be a gentle nudge towards the truth, for the racists amongst the Fox News audience. Karl Rove was just leading by example, being disbelieving and then accepting of the facts.

They won't admit it, but Republicans do realize they need to rein in their extremists. The only question now is, are the extremists about to eat the rest of the GOP alive?

15 Nov 2012 08:14 PM
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ProfessorOhki     

theincrediblemoo: [i4.ytimg.com image 320x180]

I can never hear the word Crossfire without remembering this.


Came for this. Hear the word and all you can hear in your head is that farking jingle.

15 Nov 2012 08:18 PM
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Knucklepopper     
This webpages is horribly paginated so I can't read it in its entirety on my phone, But the headline does raise a good question: Was this race really foreseen to be as close as it was made out to be? I kept hearing 50/50 right up until Obama won Pennsylvania and Ohio.

15 Nov 2012 08:20 PM
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davidphogan     
News is a delivery method for advertising. This isn't new.

15 Nov 2012 08:25 PM
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Marcintosh     
I thought it was only Washington and Colorado?
*shrug* Could've shared

15 Nov 2012 08:26 PM
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Roto-Rot     
Based on appearances, Michael Kinsley has morphed into Neil Hamburger.

15 Nov 2012 08:27 PM
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special20    [TotalFark]  

HumanBeingsSuck: The only question now is, are the extremists about to eat the rest of the GOP alive?


I sure hope so. The GOP may have to take a lead from Teddy R, and split the party to reign in those who are truly conservative, but rational and fair minded. Sadly, that didn't work out for TR. However, in my opinion he was the second greatest Republican after Lincoln. Imagine what those two would think of today's Republicans? Hell, they'd probably think Obama was a true Republican.

15 Nov 2012 08:36 PM
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Gawdzila     

special20: HumanBeingsSuck: The only question now is, are the extremists about to eat the rest of the GOP alive?

I sure hope so. The GOP may have to take a lead from Teddy R, and split the party to reign in those who are truly conservative, but rational and fair minded. Sadly, that didn't work out for TR.


It won't be pretty for them in the short run, but in the long term I think it is necessary. There are two parties living inside the skin of one right now, and they're deeply conflicted. A split is going to have to happen eventually, the fight seems to pretty much be over who gets the Republican brand name.

15 Nov 2012 09:02 PM
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ZeroCorpse     
Considering that Presidential elections are fake, too, and that the President is selected while Americans are allowed to think they're actually involved in the process, I think it's fitting that the media coverage is just as fake.

15 Nov 2012 09:23 PM
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angryjd     
Bob Novak is still haunting us?
/too soon?

15 Nov 2012 09:24 PM
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theoneontheleft     
Was it the first time they appreared on television?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6 AKmU

15 Nov 2012 09:33 PM
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Mad_Radhu     

lacydog: He mentions the "they don't report exit polling numbers because it might affect turnout", and immediately dismisses the point.

It's not a small point. If people are still voting in California, we shouldn't be saying "well... election's over". It WOULD affect turnout and if you're a moral person who values people participating in the democratic process, you should respect that.

Be cynical all you want. But it's not useful to criticize a news corporation for having one moral scruple about something - even if it also provides a nice side benefit for them of boosted ratings. There's a reason reporting on exit polling is banned in other countries.


Theoretically, it could make a difference in the election. Realistically, however, in a Presidential election, all of the west coast states are strong blue states that have a 0% chance to giving their electoral vote to the Republican candidate, which is why in 2008 all the networks called the election for Obama the very minute the polls closed in the Pacific time zone. Unless there is a major change in the demographics and voting patterns in the west, those states will never decide an election.

15 Nov 2012 10:08 PM
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