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   "Abnormal instrument readings, mysterious leak, military vehicles galore, missile launch facility, Air Force not responding." Great when it's a Hollywood movie pitch, not so good when it's a news item about actual Minuteman III nuclear site

16 Nov 2012 07:37 AM   |   9563 clicks   |   Great Falls Tribune
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Asa Phelps    [TotalFark]  
I disagree.

I for one am glad to hear that our ability to instigate nuclear apocalypse has been left to rot.

16 Nov 2012 01:46 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy    [TotalFark]  
What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

16 Nov 2012 07:39 AM
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MurphyMurphy     
SHIAT THIS IS IT!

/ILL BE IN MY BUNKER
//PANIC!!!!1111

16 Nov 2012 07:40 AM
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Nick Nostril     
Relax, citizen.

16 Nov 2012 07:42 AM
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taurusowner     
So basically.....nothing happened.

16 Nov 2012 07:43 AM
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dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

Asa Phelps: I disagree.

I for one am glad to hear that our ability to instigate nuclear apocalypse has been left to rot.


I'm not. Rotting equipment becomes unreliable. Unreliable equipment causes accidents. *NUCLEAR* accidents. And while it's highly improbable that an actual nuclear detonation would occur, the chance that one or more warheads improperly detonated by accident could spread plutonium over a fairly wide area is much greater.

16 Nov 2012 07:49 AM
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uttertosh    [TotalFark]  

AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?


nah, just high ranking sex scandal. The fallout, which may poison the healthiest of careers, should be localized in this area at this time.

16 Nov 2012 07:52 AM
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MurphyMurphy     

dittybopper: Asa Phelps: I disagree.

I for one am glad to hear that our ability to instigate nuclear apocalypse has been left to rot.

I'm not. Rotting equipment becomes unreliable. Unreliable equipment causes accidents. *NUCLEAR* accidents. And while it's highly improbable that an actual nuclear detonation would occur, the chance that one or more warheads improperly detonated by accident could spread plutonium over a fairly wide area is much greater.


Easy now,

It's not like anyone would make one of these on a dead man's switch

16 Nov 2012 07:53 AM
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The Islamic Shock     
"Hey bro what's that smel-"

www.petergreenberg.com

16 Nov 2012 07:53 AM
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Wrencher     
Somewhere there is a remediation corp's CEO praying and making sacrifices to his Underworld god.

16 Nov 2012 07:56 AM
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BullBearMS     

AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?


More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.

16 Nov 2012 07:57 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy    [TotalFark]  

BullBearMS: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.


Glad I don't have to break out my picture of bananas, then.

16 Nov 2012 07:58 AM
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Dancin_In_Anson    [TotalFark]  
If there are any other cold war buffs here check this out. The first file is of very poor quality but the rest are pretty good.

16 Nov 2012 08:00 AM
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maxheck     
Well, when you have 500 or so of the darn things scattered around, a 0.002 failure rate shouldn't bother anyone.

/ actually quite happy that we have fewer than we used to, given that I grew up during the Cold War.

16 Nov 2012 08:00 AM
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dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

BullBearMS: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.


Minuteman missiles are solid-fueled. Not a rocket fuel leak.

16 Nov 2012 08:13 AM
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vudukungfu     
Nothing to see here. Swamp gass reflecting off a weather balloon caused a freak occurance. Happens all the time.

16 Nov 2012 08:14 AM
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edmo    [TotalFark]  
I don't get the headline, must have missed that movie. The article reads like an AF press release talking about how big a response there was.

dittybopper: Minuteman missiles are solid-fueled. Not a rocket fuel leak.


OMG the nuke has suffered meltdown and the heat melted the solid fuel which went to a gaseous state and is leaking OMG.

/regular self and FARK self are arguing about who gets to post

16 Nov 2012 08:18 AM
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Any Pie Left     
Minuteman III missiles are solid-fueled, with a small, perhaps hypergolic, liquid component used for steering. Hypergolics are highly toxic and there would be a fire danger as well. A missile has caught fire and exploded in the silo before, famously, the blast propelled the warhead assembly off thru the air and onto the base. So some caution is in order.

16 Nov 2012 08:18 AM
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edmo    [TotalFark]  

Dancin_In_Anson: If there are any other cold war buffs here check this out. The first file is of very poor quality but the rest are pretty good.


Thanks. As an old cold warrior I love this stuff.

16 Nov 2012 08:22 AM
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vudukungfu     
"There was a helicopter that came out here, came down but didn't land, and then took off again."

Yeah, I bet the loud clicking from the rad counters fended them off.

Priority A issues..

They'll cover it up.

With tons of concrete.

16 Nov 2012 08:24 AM
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pag1107     
1 occurrence of something like this? No worries. If it starts becoming a pattern, worry.

16 Nov 2012 08:27 AM
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dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

Any Pie Left: Minuteman III missiles are solid-fueled, with a small, perhaps hypergolic, liquid component used for steering. Hypergolics are highly toxic and there would be a fire danger as well. A missile has caught fire and exploded in the silo before, famously, the blast propelled the warhead assembly off thru the air and onto the base. So some caution is in order.


As I recall, that incident happened with a Titan II missile, which uses hypergolic storable liquid propellants, and it was instigated by a technician who dropped a wrench near the top of the silo, and it bounced up and punctured a fuel tank on the missile.

16 Nov 2012 08:28 AM
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macadamnut     

uttertosh: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

nah, just high ranking sex scandal. The fallout, which may poison the healthiest of careers, should be localized in this area at this time.


Good thing I haven't had a working weapon since Korea.

16 Nov 2012 08:37 AM
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BullBearMS     

dittybopper: BullBearMS: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.

Minuteman missiles are solid-fueled. Not a rocket fuel leak.


If they only had solid fuel, there wouldn't be any way to accurately aim warheads. Once you ignite solid fuel, there is no way to control it. It burns until it burns out.

Minuteman-III still being a missile with three solid-fuel stages, introduced in the post-boost stage ("bus") an additional liquid-fuel propulsion system rocket engine (PSRE) that is used to slightly adjust the trajectory.

16 Nov 2012 08:37 AM
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ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  
i70.photobucket.com

/fark, you should know better....I am disappoint.

16 Nov 2012 08:42 AM
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Deep Contact     
UFO shuts down missles.
Link

16 Nov 2012 08:44 AM
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Dancin_In_Anson    [TotalFark]  

edmo: Thanks. As an old cold warrior I love this stuff.


Enjoy! I live within 6 miles of two decommissioned Atlas F sites. Here is a snap of Corinth West which is the site north of town.

www.siloworld.net


There have been some additions to that site recently including the construction records. Generally pretty boring but since I live near them, I find them pretty fascinating.

16 Nov 2012 08:45 AM
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sallys     
upload.wikimedia.org
It looks so simple.

16 Nov 2012 08:53 AM
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pag1107     

sallys: [upload.wikimedia.org image 600x436]
It looks so simple.


That's because it is.

16 Nov 2012 08:58 AM
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dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

BullBearMS: dittybopper: BullBearMS: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.

Minuteman missiles are solid-fueled. Not a rocket fuel leak.

If they only had solid fuel, there wouldn't be any way to accurately aim warheads. Once you ignite solid fuel, there is no way to control it. It burns until it burns out.

Minuteman-III still being a missile with three solid-fuel stages, introduced in the post-boost stage ("bus") an additional liquid-fuel propulsion system rocket engine (PSRE) that is used to slightly adjust the trajectory.


Yes, I know, and BTW that's not technically true that liquid fuel is needed accurately steer a missile: You can use pressurized inert gas in a conventional RCS-type system, you can gimble the nozzle (yes, even on a solid fuel booster), and you can even use a series of solid fuel "one shot" thrusters, though that tends to be inefficient weight-wise. Another solution is vanes, which the V-2 used. They can either be thrust vanes, or aerodynamic. Aerodynamic ones don't require fins, as they can be simple flap-like devices, and the majority of coarse course corrections are going to happen in the atmosphere anyway because it requires less effort to make those corrections at the very beginning of the trajectory.

16 Nov 2012 09:01 AM
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id10ts    [TotalFark]  
I'd like to know who their 'map expert' is.
FTA: "connector route linking Highway 191 east of Roy with Highway 87 at Grass Range"
and "northwest of Lewistown"

WTF maps? How the fark was this northwest of Lewistown?

Google map of the three towns (new window)

16 Nov 2012 09:01 AM
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Voiceofreason01    [TotalFark]  
be careful what you shoot at. Most things in here don't react too well to bullets.

16 Nov 2012 09:02 AM
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Dinodork     
We dig our dinosaurs out there in Echo Field. There's military vehicles and helicopters galore on a normal day too, especially when they open up the lid.

Those silos may look remote and abandoned, but don't try to drive up to the chain link fence.

16 Nov 2012 09:04 AM
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mod3072     
If there is a suspected/actual leak, we will inform the community and base populace of what measures need to be taken to ensure their safety. cover that shiat up and hope like hell that by the time people start growing extra appendages, the high ranking officials who could be held responsible are retired and/or dead."

FTFThem

16 Nov 2012 09:07 AM
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maxheck     
pag1107:

sallys: [upload.wikimedia.org image 600x436]
It looks so simple.

That's because it is.


It looks so simple at first, and that's what committed the US to a completely unworkable missile defense system.

Well, that, and this psychopath:

www.pbs.org

If you want the face of the cold war, it's not Josef Stalin. It's this guy.

16 Nov 2012 09:09 AM
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id10ts    [TotalFark]  
That's Teller. Penn Jillette's partner.

16 Nov 2012 09:13 AM
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wallywam1     

Any Pie Left: Minuteman III missiles are solid-fueled, with a small, perhaps hypergolic, liquid component used for steering. Hypergolics are highly toxic and there would be a fire danger as well. A missile has caught fire and exploded in the silo before, famously, the blast propelled the warhead assembly off thru the air and onto the base. So some caution is in order.


They should put the warheads in lead-lined refrigerators as a precaution.

16 Nov 2012 09:16 AM
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dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

maxheck: pag1107:

sallys: [upload.wikimedia.org image 600x436]
It looks so simple.

That's because it is.

It looks so simple at first, and that's what committed the US to a completely unworkable missile defense system.

Well, that, and this psychopath:

[www.pbs.org image 150x171]

If you want the face of the cold war, it's not Josef Stalin. It's this guy.


Yes, because Hiram Maxim was responsible for the deaths in WWI. That's an analogy pointing out the idiocy of your statement, btw.

16 Nov 2012 09:18 AM
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Prevailing Wind     

dittybopper: BullBearMS: dittybopper: BullBearMS: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.

Minuteman missiles are solid-fueled. Not a rocket fuel leak.

If they only had solid fuel, there wouldn't be any way to accurately aim warheads. Once you ignite solid fuel, there is no way to control it. It burns until it burns out.

Minuteman-III still being a missile with three solid-fuel stages, introduced in the post-boost stage ("bus") an additional liquid-fuel propulsion system rocket engine (PSRE) that is used to slightly adjust the trajectory.

Yes, I know, and BTW that's not technically true that liquid fuel is needed accurately steer a missile: You can use pressurized inert gas in a conventional RCS-type system, you can gimble the nozzle (yes, even on a solid fuel booster), and you can even use a series of solid fuel "one shot" thrusters, though that tends to be inefficient weight-wise. Another solution is vanes, which the V-2 used. They can either be thrust vanes, or aerodynamic. Aerodynamic ones don't require fins, as they can be simple flap-like devices, and the majority of coarse course corrections are going to happen in the atmosphere anyway because it requires less effort to make those corrections at the very beginning of the trajectory.


You stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night didn't you?

16 Nov 2012 09:20 AM
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BullBearMS     

dittybopper: BullBearMS: dittybopper: BullBearMS: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.

Minuteman missiles are solid-fueled. Not a rocket fuel leak.

If they only had solid fuel, there wouldn't be any way to accurately aim warheads. Once you ignite solid fuel, there is no way to control it. It burns until it burns out.

Minuteman-III still being a missile with three solid-fuel stages, introduced in the post-boost stage ("bus") an additional liquid-fuel propulsion system rocket engine (PSRE) that is used to slightly adjust the trajectory.

Yes, I know, and BTW that's not technically true that liquid fuel is needed accurately steer a missile: You can use pressurized inert gas in a conventional RCS-type system, you can gimble the nozzle (yes, even on a solid fuel booster), and you can even use a series of solid fuel "one shot" thrusters, though that tends to be inefficient weight-wise. Another solution is vanes, which the V-2 used. They can either be thrust vanes, or aerodynamic. Aerodynamic ones don't require fins, as they can be simple flap-like devices, and the majority of coarse course corrections are going to happen in the atmosphere anyway because it requires less effort to make those corrections at the very beginning of the trajectory.


Wouldn't it be simpler to just go ahead and admit that the Minuteman III does indeed contain rocket fuel capable of leaking?

16 Nov 2012 09:22 AM
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ThreadSinger     
All I know is I heard the alarm from Half-Life in my head, followed by the Gman voice...

/Forget about Freeman!

16 Nov 2012 09:24 AM
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dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

Prevailing Wind: You stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night didn't you?


No. I'm just funny that way.

/Welcome to "All Things Ballistic".
//Our motto is: If it's not ballistic, it's *CRAP*

16 Nov 2012 09:25 AM
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maxheck     
dittybopper:

maxheck: pag1107:

sallys: [upload.wikimedia.org image 600x436]
It looks so simple.

That's because it is.

It looks so simple at first, and that's what committed the US to a completely unworkable missile defense system.

Well, that, and this psychopath:

[www.pbs.org image 150x171]

If you want the face of the cold war, it's not Josef Stalin. It's this guy.

Yes, because Hiram Maxim was responsible for the deaths in WWI. That's an analogy pointing out the idiocy of your statement, btw.

Please explain how Hiram Maxim was half so influential as Teller.

I know Teller lived a horrific life. How he was able to inflict his nightmares on the rest of us just points to a farked up situation. If you want a referent, look at Dick Cheney.

16 Nov 2012 09:27 AM
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dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

BullBearMS: Wouldn't it be simpler to just go ahead and admit that the Minuteman III does indeed contain rocket fuel capable of leaking?


No.

You see, at first, I was kind of dismissive of the idea, because the amount of liquid fuel in a Minuteman III isn't all that large, certainly not enough to breach the containment of a missile silo. Then I thought for a minute and said to myself "Self, the amount of liquid fuel probably large enough to possibly ignite one of the solid booster stages, which would then cause the other stages to ignite in the silo, with very, very, very bad consequences". Essentially, you've then got a very large gun with a very plugged up muzzle. Boom time.

This being Fark, however, you doubtlessly understand that I must continue to defend my position whether it's tenable or not.

16 Nov 2012 09:30 AM
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maxheck     
dittybopper:

Lemme put it a bit more bluntly. Teller wasn't just a brilliant physicist. He was whispering policy from a (to my mind, warped) perspective into the ears of US Presidents. He was personally responsible for the US overestimating the USSR arsenal and building 4000+ nukes. He was a major force in the "Star Wars" defense shield. Some of these things weren't entirely attached to reality.

16 Nov 2012 09:33 AM
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Maud Dib     
My younger brother is a missile tech at that base. I always tell him, if I get a call from you at 3 AM I will immediately poop my britches.

16 Nov 2012 09:34 AM
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BullBearMS     

dittybopper: BullBearMS: Wouldn't it be simpler to just go ahead and admit that the Minuteman III does indeed contain rocket fuel capable of leaking?

No.

You see, at first, I was kind of dismissive of the idea, because the amount of liquid fuel in a Minuteman III isn't all that large, certainly not enough to breach the containment of a missile silo. Then I thought for a minute and said to myself "Self, the amount of liquid fuel probably large enough to possibly ignite one of the solid booster stages, which would then cause the other stages to ignite in the silo, with very, very, very bad consequences". Essentially, you've then got a very large gun with a very plugged up muzzle. Boom time.

This being Fark, however, you doubtlessly understand that I must continue to defend my position whether it's tenable or not.


Henceforth to be known as the Welcome to Fark defense. dl.dropbox.com

16 Nov 2012 09:36 AM
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devildog123    [TotalFark]  

Maud Dib: My younger brother is a missile tech at that base. I always tell him, if I get a call from you at 3 AM I will immediately poop my britches.


Then be glad I'm not your younger brother, because at least twice a month, you'd get calls at 3 AM with me screaming "Oh God, what have we done? Quick, get in your basement! And call Mom!"

/because I'm a prick that way

16 Nov 2012 09:39 AM
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dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

maxheck: How he was able to inflict his nightmares on the rest of us just points to a farked up situation.


You know people who died in a nuclear holocaust? No?

Teller is a convenient punching bag for people who want to assign blame for all the bad things that happened. Not that he was a shining example of humanity, necessarily, but he didn't make any policy decisions on our side, he merely advocated for some, and he had *ZERO* influence on the actions of the Soviets.

The truth is, there is plenty of blame to go around, and that blame should rest on decision makers, not on those that advise them.

Teller's biggest problem is that the only tool he had was the hammer of the hydrogen bomb, and to him every problem looked like a nail.

16 Nov 2012 09:40 AM
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dittybopper    [TotalFark]  

maxheck: dittybopper:

Lemme put it a bit more bluntly. Teller wasn't just a brilliant physicist. He was whispering policy from a (to my mind, warped) perspective into the ears of US Presidents. He was personally responsible for the US overestimating the USSR arsenal and building 4000+ nukes. He was a major force in the "Star Wars" defense shield. Some of these things weren't entirely attached to reality.


Let me put it even more bluntly:

The truth is, there is plenty of blame to go around, and that blame should rest on decision makers, not on those that advise them.

16 Nov 2012 09:41 AM
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