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   In today's uncertain and violent world, an international incident involving an Argentine Navy sailboat, an American hedge fund manager, and the nation of Ghana has delighted international observers with its whimsy

16 Nov 2012 11:40 AM   |   5001 clicks   |   Business Insider
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shanrick    [TotalFark]  
Suck it, Libertad.

16 Nov 2012 09:55 AM
PapaChester     
"Vulture funds". I like that and will start using it.

Nothing says "F America" like vulture funds and investment bankers.

16 Nov 2012 11:46 AM
kbronsito    [TotalFark]  
It's not like their ship is being held by a country with anything resembling a navy. What does Ghana have... a couple of patrol boats. Argentina has a small navy, but a couple of destroyers should be enough to intimidate Ghana. Maybe they should just send a few of their warships over and park them off Ghana's coast and have some Argentines pretend like they are a world power. It would be good for morale back in buenos aires for them to pick on a smaller, weaker country.

Or maybe Ghana has some sort of local insurrection (most african countries do). Argentina produces some decent small arms. they had no problem selling those to the Croatians even when there was an arms embargo. A nice 20% discount out of spite on a large shipment Argentine guns and ammo for whomever is the enemy of the current government of Ghana would probably get their attention.

16 Nov 2012 11:52 AM
capt.hollister    [TotalFark]  
Have I got his right ?

First she goes batshiat crazy to stir national sentiment over the Falklands, because annexing those islands would fix all of Argentina's troubles..

Then she goes batshiat crazy to stir national sentiment over a hedge fund whom her country borrowed from and then defaulte against, because not paying their loans would fix all of Argentina's troubles

Shouldn't she go batshiat crazy actually trying to fix her country's troubles, or is Argentina another one of those countries that in its own view has never done anything wrong and whose economy is kept broken by outsiders. ?

16 Nov 2012 11:56 AM
tlchwi02     

kbronsito: It's not like their ship is being held by a country with anything resembling a navy. What does Ghana have... a couple of patrol boats. Argentina has a small navy, but a couple of destroyers should be enough to intimidate Ghana. Maybe they should just send a few of their warships over and park them off Ghana's coast and have some Argentines pretend like they are a world power. It would be good for morale back in buenos aires for them to pick on a smaller, weaker country.

Or maybe Ghana has some sort of local insurrection (most african countries do). Argentina produces some decent small arms. they had no problem selling those to the Croatians even when there was an arms embargo. A nice 20% discount out of spite on a large shipment Argentine guns and ammo for whomever is the enemy of the current government of Ghana would probably get their attention.


argentina has no way of getting their ships across the atlantic. and ghana is a peaceful and stable democracy enforcing an international judgement against a country that is notorious for defaulting on its debt. you really would rather that people in ghana die to defend the argentine "right" to not pay its creditors their money back?

16 Nov 2012 11:59 AM
Pribar     
1982-Argentina loses ship to British torpedo, over 300 Argentinian sailors die

2012-Argentina loses ship to American creditors, over 300 Argentinian sailors fly home

The times are a changing....

16 Nov 2012 12:09 PM
Barnstormer     
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Saw that ship in the tall ships parade at the Bicentennial in New York. Nice.

16 Nov 2012 12:15 PM
thisisarepeat     
Its a farking sailboat. Argentina just had its yacht repossessed. big deal.

16 Nov 2012 12:15 PM
kbronsito    [TotalFark]  

tlchwi02: kbronsito: It's not like their ship is being held by a country with anything resembling a navy. What does Ghana have... a couple of patrol boats. Argentina has a small navy, but a couple of destroyers should be enough to intimidate Ghana. Maybe they should just send a few of their warships over and park them off Ghana's coast and have some Argentines pretend like they are a world power. It would be good for morale back in buenos aires for them to pick on a smaller, weaker country.

Or maybe Ghana has some sort of local insurrection (most african countries do). Argentina produces some decent small arms. they had no problem selling those to the Croatians even when there was an arms embargo. A nice 20% discount out of spite on a large shipment Argentine guns and ammo for whomever is the enemy of the current government of Ghana would probably get their attention.

argentina has no way of getting their ships across the atlantic. and ghana is a peaceful and stable democracy enforcing an international judgement against a country that is notorious for defaulting on its debt. you really would rather that people in ghana die to defend the argentine "right" to not pay its creditors their money back?


Argentina sent frigates to the Persian Gulf for Gulf War 1. I'm sure they had to cross the Atlantic for that. If Cruise Carnival can do it... it can't be that difficult.

And since when does a country need to be on the right to use military force? EVERYONE IS DOING IT. Even the cool countries: America, the UK, Israel... they just sabre rattle and bomb things ALL THE TIME. Ghana is free to stop doing the bidding of vulture funds at any time. It's not like it has a glowing record on those transparency international corruption reports. Why decide to get all caught up on the rules all of a sudden?

16 Nov 2012 12:18 PM
tlchwi02     

kbronsito: Argentina sent frigates to the Persian Gulf for Gulf War 1. I'm sure they had to cross the Atlantic for that. If Cruise Carnival can do it... it can't be that difficult.

And since when does a country need to be on the right to use military force? EVERYONE IS DOING IT. Even the cool countries: America, the UK, Israel... they just sabre rattle and bomb things ALL THE TIME. Ghana is free to stop doing the bidding of vulture funds at any time. It's not like it has a glowing record on those transparency international corruption reports. Why decide to get all caught up on the rules all of a sudden?


yeah, and how did the argentine frigate refuel? with the assistance of international partners. where are they going to get gas now?

and ghana is doing the bidding of a "vulture fund" that has obtained multiple orders against argentina in international courts. this isn't some hedge fund bribing ghana, they are being a good partner to the international community and the rule of law. Here's a crazy thought- if argentina doesn't want to have assets seized to pay their debts, maybe they should pay their debts. I'd say that before they pay for all the fuel and bloodshed of sending their navy to take it back, maybe they could try not screwing everyone who tries to help them with aid?

16 Nov 2012 12:23 PM
angry_scientist     
If you're country absolutely needs hedge funds to stay afloat, WTF were you thinking?

16 Nov 2012 12:23 PM
Intoxoman     

tlchwi02: kbronsito: Argentina sent frigates to the Persian Gulf for Gulf War 1. I'm sure they had to cross the Atlantic for that. If Cruise Carnival can do it... it can't be that difficult.

And since when does a country need to be on the right to use military force? EVERYONE IS DOING IT. Even the cool countries: America, the UK, Israel... they just sabre rattle and bomb things ALL THE TIME. Ghana is free to stop doing the bidding of vulture funds at any time. It's not like it has a glowing record on those transparency international corruption reports. Why decide to get all caught up on the rules all of a sudden?

yeah, and how did the argentine frigate refuel? with the assistance of international partners. where are they going to get gas now?

and ghana is doing the bidding of a "vulture fund" that has obtained multiple orders against argentina in international courts. this isn't some hedge fund bribing ghana, they are being a good partner to the international community and the rule of law. Here's a crazy thought- if argentina doesn't want to have assets seized to pay their debts, maybe they should pay their debts. I'd say that before they pay for all the fuel and bloodshed of sending their navy to take it back, maybe they could try not screwing everyone who tries to help them with aid?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Pata gonia_(B-1) They have an oiler. Though I dont see them sending ships to Ghana.

16 Nov 2012 12:30 PM
Pribar     

kbronsito: tlchwi02: kbronsito: It's not like their ship is being held by a country with anything resembling a navy. What does Ghana have... a couple of patrol boats. Argentina has a small navy, but a couple of destroyers should be enough to intimidate Ghana. Maybe they should just send a few of their warships over and park them off Ghana's coast and have some Argentines pretend like they are a world power. It would be good for morale back in buenos aires for them to pick on a smaller, weaker country.

Or maybe Ghana has some sort of local insurrection (most african countries do). Argentina produces some decent small arms. they had no problem selling those to the Croatians even when there was an arms embargo. A nice 20% discount out of spite on a large shipment Argentine guns and ammo for whomever is the enemy of the current government of Ghana would probably get their attention.

argentina has no way of getting their ships across the atlantic. and ghana is a peaceful and stable democracy enforcing an international judgement against a country that is notorious for defaulting on its debt. you really would rather that people in ghana die to defend the argentine "right" to not pay its creditors their money back?

Argentina sent frigates to the Persian Gulf for Gulf War 1. I'm sure they had to cross the Atlantic for that. If Cruise Carnival can do it... it can't be that difficult.

And since when does a country need to be on the right to use military force? EVERYONE IS DOING IT. Even the cool countries: America, the UK, Israel... they just sabre rattle and bomb things ALL THE TIME. Ghana is free to stop doing the bidding of vulture funds at any time. It's not like it has a glowing record on those transparency international corruption reports. Why decide to get all caught up on the rules all of a sudden?


Argentina had a fleet oiler and assistance from Allied supply vessels then, now their oiler is a rusting hulk and she has alienated all her friends with blue water capabilities, which is why her training ship was sail powered, Argentina is in such bad shape financially that their presidential plane can't leave the country because it is subject to repossession...

16 Nov 2012 12:32 PM
Pribar     

Intoxoman: tlchwi02: kbronsito: Argentina sent frigates to the Persian Gulf for Gulf War 1. I'm sure they had to cross the Atlantic for that. If Cruise Carnival can do it... it can't be that difficult.

And since when does a country need to be on the right to use military force? EVERYONE IS DOING IT. Even the cool countries: America, the UK, Israel... they just sabre rattle and bomb things ALL THE TIME. Ghana is free to stop doing the bidding of vulture funds at any time. It's not like it has a glowing record on those transparency international corruption reports. Why decide to get all caught up on the rules all of a sudden?

yeah, and how did the argentine frigate refuel? with the assistance of international partners. where are they going to get gas now?

and ghana is doing the bidding of a "vulture fund" that has obtained multiple orders against argentina in international courts. this isn't some hedge fund bribing ghana, they are being a good partner to the international community and the rule of law. Here's a crazy thought- if argentina doesn't want to have assets seized to pay their debts, maybe they should pay their debts. I'd say that before they pay for all the fuel and bloodshed of sending their navy to take it back, maybe they could try not screwing everyone who tries to help them with aid?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Pata gonia_(B-1) They have an oiler. Though I dont see them sending ships to Ghana.


I missed where she had acquired a new FRS from the French, however it would be interesting to see where they would get it resuppled without risking it getting siezed too, not to mention bringing surface combatants close enough to land to engage shore targets when you have no air cover is not wise.

16 Nov 2012 12:48 PM
offmymeds     
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WHAT THE HELL AM I READING?

16 Nov 2012 12:56 PM
PunGent     

thisisarepeat: Its a farking sailboat. Argentina just had its yacht repossessed. big deal.


Heh...MY takeaway is that Argentina's president is kinda cute.

/yes, I can be shallow

16 Nov 2012 01:00 PM
kbronsito    [TotalFark]  

Pribar: Intoxoman: tlchwi02: kbronsito: Argentina sent frigates to the Persian Gulf for Gulf War 1. I'm sure they had to cross the Atlantic for that. If Cruise Carnival can do it... it can't be that difficult.

And since when does a country need to be on the right to use military force? EVERYONE IS DOING IT. Even the cool countries: America, the UK, Israel... they just sabre rattle and bomb things ALL THE TIME. Ghana is free to stop doing the bidding of vulture funds at any time. It's not like it has a glowing record on those transparency international corruption reports. Why decide to get all caught up on the rules all of a sudden?

yeah, and how did the argentine frigate refuel? with the assistance of international partners. where are they going to get gas now?

and ghana is doing the bidding of a "vulture fund" that has obtained multiple orders against argentina in international courts. this isn't some hedge fund bribing ghana, they are being a good partner to the international community and the rule of law. Here's a crazy thought- if argentina doesn't want to have assets seized to pay their debts, maybe they should pay their debts. I'd say that before they pay for all the fuel and bloodshed of sending their navy to take it back, maybe they could try not screwing everyone who tries to help them with aid?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Pata gonia_(B-1) They have an oiler. Though I dont see them sending ships to Ghana.

I missed where she had acquired a new FRS from the French, however it would be interesting to see where they would get it resuppled without risking it getting siezed too, not to mention bringing surface combatants close enough to land to engage shore targets when you have no air cover is not wise.


they just have to grab the ship... not invade the whole country. they either have the balls to take their stuff back w/o paying because they chose to stick to their story that the hedge fund is run by a bunch of corrupt sleezebags (A fact they probably know because certain people in their government clearly remember taking bribes that particular hedge fund) or they better give up on their yacht. Because biatching about it on the news is apparently not going to accomplish a thing.

16 Nov 2012 01:00 PM
YixilTesiphon     

Pribar: Argentina is in such bad shape financially that their presidential plane can't leave the country because it is subject to repossession


Which really makes you wonder what the fark Repsol was thinking getting involved there.

16 Nov 2012 01:15 PM
Kilroy Evans     
As I was reading through that, "Yaketty Sax" started playing the back of my head.

16 Nov 2012 02:55 PM
FLMountainMan     
Demonizing Ghana is a hell of a lot cheaper than starting a war with the United Kingdom. Anything to divert public attention away from your failed socialist state.

16 Nov 2012 03:04 PM
ha-ha-guy     

FLMountainMan: Demonizing Ghana is a hell of a lot cheaper than starting a war with the United Kingdom. Anything to divert public attention away from your failed socialist state.


That's what I was thinking, the UK still has those SSNs and the Argentinian Navy learned how deadly they were last time.

16 Nov 2012 03:14 PM
Norfolking Chance     

kbronsito: Pribar: Intoxoman: tlchwi02: kbronsito: Argentina sent frigates to the Persian Gulf for Gulf War 1. I'm sure they had to cross the Atlantic for that. If Cruise Carnival can do it... it can't be that difficult.

And since when does a country need to be on the right to use military force? EVERYONE IS DOING IT. Even the cool countries: America, the UK, Israel... they just sabre rattle and bomb things ALL THE TIME. Ghana is free to stop doing the bidding of vulture funds at any time. It's not like it has a glowing record on those transparency international corruption reports. Why decide to get all caught up on the rules all of a sudden?

yeah, and how did the argentine frigate refuel? with the assistance of international partners. where are they going to get gas now?

and ghana is doing the bidding of a "vulture fund" that has obtained multiple orders against argentina in international courts. this isn't some hedge fund bribing ghana, they are being a good partner to the international community and the rule of law. Here's a crazy thought- if argentina doesn't want to have assets seized to pay their debts, maybe they should pay their debts. I'd say that before they pay for all the fuel and bloodshed of sending their navy to take it back, maybe they could try not screwing everyone who tries to help them with aid?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Pata gonia_(B-1) They have an oiler. Though I dont see them sending ships to Ghana.

I missed where she had acquired a new FRS from the French, however it would be interesting to see where they would get it resuppled without risking it getting siezed too, not to mention bringing surface combatants close enough to land to engage shore targets when you have no air cover is not wise.

they just have to grab the ship... not invade the whole country. they either have the balls to take their stuff back w/o paying because they chose to stick to their story that the hedge fund is run by a bunch of corrupt sleezebags (A fact they pr ...


Ghana is a member of

The Commenwealth of Nations
La Francophonie
African Union

Argentina could try and take it by force if they want to but that that would risk starting something that could snowball into a nasty confrontation with lots of other nations. Two of those friends of Ghana are nuclear powers, one proved thirty years ago they could destroy the entire Argentinian blue water navy. I also expect the African Union would love to flex is muscles as well in defense of a member.

16 Nov 2012 05:02 PM
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