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   It's Native American Heritage Month, which is one of at least three reasons why "Drink Like a Indian" isn't a good slogan to use for your bar promotion

17 Nov 2012 06:28 AM   |   3473 clicks   |   Washington Post
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Ed Finnerty     
I can't wait for the writer to throw his wet blanket on the upcoming Smallpox Saturday event.

17 Nov 2012 06:28 AM
IAAl     
Yeah, because it should be "Drink like an Indian."

17 Nov 2012 06:29 AM
TheSwizz     
Next month's promotion: "Be driven off of your own premises and forced to reopen your bar in a desolate shiat-hole, like an Indian."

17 Nov 2012 06:32 AM
Mock26     
Better to drink like an Indian than loan like one!

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17 Nov 2012 06:36 AM
Rixel    [TotalFark]  
Well, 'twould be O'kay if it was only marketed just one day 'o the year, laddie.
Of that, I be sure!

17 Nov 2012 06:43 AM
ReapTheChaos     
100 bucks says that most of the people complaining aren't even Indians "Native Americans"

17 Nov 2012 06:47 AM
fusillade762     
Not sure if troll.

17 Nov 2012 06:49 AM
DerAppie     

ReapTheChaos: 100 bucks says that most of the people complaining aren't even Indians "Native Americans"


100 bucks says that before this was in the news there was no public outrage.

/Outrage may still be lacking in your area
//Check the site for current outrage zones

17 Nov 2012 06:53 AM
GreenSun     
Why is it offensive to call Native Americans "Indians"? I always thought it was ok, we even have that "One little two, little three, little Indians" song as kids.

17 Nov 2012 06:55 AM
subsetzero     
Drinking like an Indian. Stereotypes are usually based in reality

4th of July celebration in my home town in extreme upstate NY was sponsored by the fire department. They invited all sorts of other departments to join in the parade and festivities including some from VT and Quebec. Regular as clockwork the first departments to arrive were from the Kahnawake Mohawk reservation on the south shore of Montreal. They'd be pretty well tore up when they crossed the border in the early afternoon and continued to imbibe until well after the fireworks were done and the beer tent shut down. Knee walking, bowl hugging, war whooping sumbiches to a man they were. I can't imagine how they drove the forty miles back to Montreal but I never heard of any wrecked firetrucks.

17 Nov 2012 06:59 AM
ggecko     
But not a single word about "drink like a pilgrim"?????


I'm trying to think if a nightclub had a sign that said "dance like a white guy" and "dance like an african american guy" if there would be any outrage and exactly who would be outraged?

17 Nov 2012 07:06 AM
Just another Heartland Weirdass     
But just don't tip like one!

17 Nov 2012 07:11 AM
Just another Heartland Weirdass     
HOW?

17 Nov 2012 07:12 AM
Medic Zero     
Can someone explain to me the outrage about this other event of theirs? - "Who could forget August 2010's "WWIII Bombs Away Bash," which featured Landmine, M-16 and Hand Grenade shot specials? "

17 Nov 2012 07:13 AM
Quantum Apostrophe     

ggecko: But not a single word about "drink like a pilgrim"?????


I'm trying to think if a nightclub had a sign that said "dance like a white guy" and "dance like an african american guy" if there would be any outrage and exactly who would be outraged?


"Date like a black guy" would mean that you can only date fat ugly white women.

17 Nov 2012 07:14 AM
The Quaalude Renaissance     
Maybe drink like a Redskin?
It is a DC bar.

17 Nov 2012 07:16 AM
Nick Nostril     
Should have used "Drink Like a Farker" day.

17 Nov 2012 07:17 AM
Nick Nostril     

Just another Heartland Weirdass: But just don't tip like one!


Too bad this wasn't a charity instead of a bar. They could have used "Give Like and Indian" as their slogan.

/ amirite?

17 Nov 2012 07:20 AM
Wolf892     

subsetzero: Drinking like an Indian. Stereotypes are usually based in reality

4th of July celebration in my home town in extreme upstate NY was sponsored by the fire department. They invited all sorts of other departments to join in the parade and festivities including some from VT and Quebec. Regular as clockwork the first departments to arrive were from the Kahnawake Mohawk reservation on the south shore of Montreal. They'd be pretty well tore up when they crossed the border in the early afternoon and continued to imbibe until well after the fireworks were done and the beer tent shut down. Knee walking, bowl hugging, war whooping sumbiches to a man they were. I can't imagine how they drove the forty miles back to Montreal but I never heard of any wrecked firetrucks.


Currently I'm in a School of Social Work program with a Specialization in Indigenous healping and healing...so I've been studying a lot about this issue.

What I've learnt is that there has been multiple trauma's against the Indigenous community, of course the land thing being the first, then the living on reservations, then the government creating "Indian Agents" who were white people that gave permission for Aboriginal people to leave their reserves, that's right, they were sent to reserves and not allowed off the land without specific written permission. The Government outlawed their ceremonies, their traditions and their cultural rituals in an attempt to westernize them. Then came the residential schools where child were forcefully sent, they were seperated from their families, and at the schools they were even seperated from their siblings. Then, they were starved, abused physically and sexually, and forced to forget their languages and their cultures. This messed with their minds a lot.
The trauma that they experienced lead to some very messed up adults as they left the residential schools. Being this messed up caused them to start hitting the bottle so that they could escape the pain of what they'd been through.
Of course, being messed up makes you bad parents, and worse, the economic conditions being forced upon them (not allowed to find work in a lot of professions) ended them up in poverty. The Indian agents were converted into government sponsered social workers who'd been given orders to remove Indigenous children from their home communities so that they could be adopted out to white families, either in or out of country. This mass adoption/kidnapping is known as the "60's scoop." It resulted in a lot of Indigenous children growing up in foster homes that did nothing to teach them about their culture, top that with the fact that most of them had some form of FASD and it was a recipe for disaster...
These kids did poorly at school, had major anti-social personalities, suffered from extream identity crisis and found their only comfort in the bottle.
This is a very simplified look at the Indigenous history (at least here in Canada) and has left out many, many details of how the Indigenous population has been incredibly screwed over.
Is it any wonder that each generation hits the bottle when they are born with FASD, when their parents beat and sexually abuse them (as they learnt to do in the residential schools) and when they know that they have no real prospects in the job force. Add to that the government hand outs that are just enough to keep them surviving but not enough to actually solve any of their problems and you create a people who are alcoholic, dependend on the government, and very angry at the white man.

The more you know...

17 Nov 2012 07:31 AM
Wolf892     
And I noticed that my spelling and grammar suck...That's what I get for trying to post something at 4:30 in the AM after being up working all night.

17 Nov 2012 07:34 AM
bmihura     
I'm an Indian (the feather, not dot kind) and have no problems with this.

In fact, I find all manner of political correctness annoying!

17 Nov 2012 07:42 AM
shadowmaster     
So the Government sets them up in gated communities and sends their kids to private schools. Sounds like they were pretty lucky. BTW Seems like the bar could make up for this faux pas by letting indians drink for free that night.

17 Nov 2012 07:47 AM
Abe Vigoda's Ghost     
I want to drink like a sic Indian.

17 Nov 2012 08:00 AM
Red Shirt Blues     
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Outrage!

17 Nov 2012 08:02 AM
orbister     

Wolf892: Add to that the government hand outs that are just enough to keep them surviving but not enough to actually solve any of their problems and you create a people who are alcoholic, dependend on the government, and very angry at the white man.


So you're saying that "Drink like a(n) Indian" is a valid metaphor?

17 Nov 2012 08:04 AM
BarkingUnicorn     
"Party like a Pilgrim" would be dull, wouldn't it? I thought they were uptight Puritans.

17 Nov 2012 08:06 AM
BarkingUnicorn     
And this isn't the first time the slogan has been used. St. Paul, MN., 2010

17 Nov 2012 08:09 AM
Wolf892     

orbister: Wolf892: Add to that the government hand outs that are just enough to keep them surviving but not enough to actually solve any of their problems and you create a people who are alcoholic, dependend on the government, and very angry at the white man.

So you're saying that "Drink like a(n) Indian" is a valid metaphor?


not unless you want to go through the same abuses that lead to the drinking. The drinking is a symptom, not the problem. If you are just going to the party and choosing to drink to get drunk for the sheer fun of it, then you might be "drinking like a member of the privledged class."

17 Nov 2012 08:11 AM
Red Shirt Blues     
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"You couldn't buy it cheaper off a drunken Indian".

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17 Nov 2012 08:13 AM
the801     

Wolf892: Currently I'm in a School of Social Work program with a Specialization in Indigenous healping and healing...so I've been studying a lot about this issue.

Is it any wonder that each generation hits the bottle when they are born with FASD, when their parents beat and sexually abuse them (as they learnt to do in the residential schools) and when they know that they have no real prospects in the job force. Add to that the government hand outs that are just enough to keep them surviving but not enough to actually solve any of their problems and you create a people who are alcoholic, dependend on the government, and very angry at the white man.

how sad for you. but at least you understand that people with certain skin colors have an excuse to drink heavily while pregnant and then beat and molest their children. 'cause the white man. especially in canada, where the 'first nation' folk are treated like gods and showered with money and every other government benefit they could think of.

and it's great that you can justify physical and sexual abuse of children by saying 'their grandparents went to boarding school, so of course they're going to abuse their children, who will abuse their children, and on and on forever'. i guess it's not like they can help it, what with their inferior genes and all? you'll make a fine social worker.

17 Nov 2012 08:14 AM
Alleyoop     
Mmmmm, Fire-Water!

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17 Nov 2012 08:26 AM
Wolf892     

the801: Wolf892: Currently I'm in a School of Social Work program with a Specialization in Indigenous healping and healing...so I've been studying a lot about this issue.

Is it any wonder that each generation hits the bottle when they are born with FASD, when their parents beat and sexually abuse them (as they learnt to do in the residential schools) and when they know that they have no real prospects in the job force. Add to that the government hand outs that are just enough to keep them surviving but not enough to actually solve any of their problems and you create a people who are alcoholic, dependend on the government, and very angry at the white man.

how sad for you. but at least you understand that people with certain skin colors have an excuse to drink heavily while pregnant and then beat and molest their children. 'cause the white man. especially in canada, where the 'first nation' folk are treated like gods and showered with money and every other government benefit they could think of.

and it's great that you can justify physical and sexual abuse of children by saying 'their grandparents went to boarding school, so of course they're going to abuse their children, who will abuse their children, and on and on forever'. i guess it's not like they can help it, what with their inferior genes and all? you'll make a fine social worker.


I think that we need to accept that there is a cycle of fail that keeps moving forward. You aren't really saying that you expect telling someone "just get over it" will work? That would be brilliant if that was a real thing, then all social services and mental health services could disappear over night.
Nope, it's easier to just blame the addict for their addiction rather than think a little deeper and and wonder if there might be a reason for the addiction...If we could address the factors that lead to the addiction, perhaps we could break that cycle of fail.
But nope, not you, seems like you're not much of a deep thinker.

17 Nov 2012 08:28 AM
orbister     

Wolf892: Nope, it's easier to just blame the addict for their addiction rather than think a little deeper and and wonder if there might be a reason for the addiction...If we could address the factors that lead to the addiction, perhaps we could break that cycle of fail.


Is it not a little patronising for a white social worker to make value judgements about the lifestyle decisions and cultures of indigenous people?

17 Nov 2012 08:37 AM
I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros     
And they're not even real Indians. It's just a cheap Souix veneer.

17 Nov 2012 08:41 AM
orbister     

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: And they're not even real Indians. It's just a cheap Souix veneer.


Comanche that over here.

17 Nov 2012 08:42 AM
Wolf892     

orbister: Wolf892: Nope, it's easier to just blame the addict for their addiction rather than think a little deeper and and wonder if there might be a reason for the addiction...If we could address the factors that lead to the addiction, perhaps we could break that cycle of fail.

Is it not a little patronising for a white social worker to make value judgements about the lifestyle decisions and cultures of indigenous people?


I'm Metis. And I"m not making value judgments. I'm only stating what I'm being taught in University, and the instructors of the Indigenous specialization are Aboriginal professors who've come straight from the communities that I've been describing.

17 Nov 2012 08:43 AM
varmitydog     
Drink like an Indian. Put a pinch of curry in your beer.

17 Nov 2012 08:57 AM
Raithun     

Quantum Apostrophe: "Date like a black guy" would mean that you can only date fat ugly white women.


Heidi Klum reportedly inconsolable.

17 Nov 2012 08:59 AM
kimmygibblershomework     
89% APR is nothing to scoff at, whitey.
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17 Nov 2012 09:00 AM
orbister     

Wolf892: And I"m not making value judgments. I'm only stating what I'm being taught in University, and the instructors of the Indigenous specialization are Aboriginal professors who've come straight from the communities that I've been describing.


You are saying that there is a problem. That's a value judgement, because the people you (or whose elite) think have a problem may not themselves think they have a problem. Anyway, what's wrong with a bit of value judgement over things like child sexual abuse?

17 Nov 2012 09:14 AM
LOTN     

kimmygibblershomework: 89% APR is nothing to scoff at, whitey.
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Perhaps you should read the same graphic + zoom posted by the other user and get back with us.

17 Nov 2012 09:26 AM
MyRandomName     
Is Liz Warren going to make a speech emphasizing the repression she grew up under?

17 Nov 2012 09:29 AM
hasty ambush     
There are only a few months left to "celebrate" your "heritage", sexual orientation, gender, disability etc etc. so if you don't have one now best reserve it while supplies last. This will prevent the self-esteem shattering effects of not having a month to celebrate your heritage or whatever and not being able to inform others of just how great it is to be you.

You could end up suffering the indignities and humiliation of other groups like the Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc)and Pacific Islanders (Hawaiians, Samoans, Guamanian, Maori etc) ; American Indians (Apache, Comanche, Ojibwa etc) and Sexual orientation crowd (Gays Lesbians and confused) by being lumped in one group with a bunch of others. Sort of like how European means that the Greeks and the Swedes are the same.

After all women do not have to share a month with men or the gender confused/undecided/indeterminate. Blacks and Hispanics also do not have to share with each other

Worse still you could not even get a whole month an be suffer the humiliation of being limited to a single day like the Irish, mothers, fathers, veterans and "labor".

National Mentoring Month - January

African American History Month (Black History Month) - February

Women's History Month - March

Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month - May

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month - June

Hispanic Heritage Month - September

Disability Employment Awareness Month - October

American Indian Heritage Month - November 

/diversity is the same thing as divide

17 Nov 2012 09:32 AM
A Day Older than Yesterday     
When I was learning to drink in the 1970's bars in Canada had "Indian lists." Does anyone know if those still exist?

17 Nov 2012 09:34 AM
grumpyoldmann     
Native Americans named their new museum on the National Mall "National Museum Of American Indians". They should know what they want to be called. 

What were they called before this land was named America?

I think that, sometimes, whitie makes more fuss over what other ethnic groups are call than the group itself.

Several years ago, a survey showed that older Blacks wanted to be called "Blacks" instead of African Americans.

17 Nov 2012 09:35 AM
WhippingBoy     

A Day Older than Yesterday: When I was learning to drink in the 1970's bars in Canada had "Indian lists." Does anyone know if those still exist?


Yes, unofficially. ICBC (vehicle insurance) keeps similar lists (unofficially), but for the other kind of indian.

17 Nov 2012 09:52 AM
WhippingBoy     
Sorry, ICBC has what they call the (unofficial) "yellow list" (do the math). It's WCB (workers comp) that has the (unofficial) "(east) indian list" (seems that some members of certain cultures feel they hit the jackpot if they "accidentally" cut off their hand in an industrial accident and can go on compo for the remainder of their lives).

But we can't, of course, talk about any of the above, because someone's feelings might get hurt.

17 Nov 2012 09:56 AM
Mid_mo_mad_man     

grumpyoldmann: Native Americans named their new museum on the National Mall "National Museum Of American Indians". They should know what they want to be called. 

What were they called before this land was named America?

I think that, sometimes, whitie makes more fuss over what other ethnic groups are call than the group itself.

Several years ago, a survey showed that older Blacks wanted to be called "Blacks" instead of African Americans.


American Indian Movement. If the racist hate mongers perfer the word Indian that's good enough for me

17 Nov 2012 09:59 AM
BolshyGreatYarblocks     

Rixel: Well, 'twould be O'kay if it was only marketed just one day 'o the year, laddie.
Of that, I be sure!


THIS. Why is pointing out that Natives are binge drinkers uncool, but a "drink like an Irishman" event would draw large numbers of Irish- and non-Irish-descended people?

I see that the article write also got huffy about the bar's glib reference to a World War III bash. The bar is in Washington DC.

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17 Nov 2012 10:05 AM
willfullyobscure     
it is a fact that Indians can't handle their booze, much like the Irish. I think its biological. the Japanese ate terrible drinkers too but they have more social constraints so its not as embarrassingly evident as with the micks and the injuns.

17 Nov 2012 10:26 AM
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