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18 Nov 2012 04:16 PM   |   18435 clicks   |   Guardian
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Bontesla     
Good for you employees.
/Will not be doing any Christmas shopping at Walmart anyway

18 Nov 2012 12:39 PM
tbhouston     
People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

18 Nov 2012 12:46 PM
Bontesla     

tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...


Everyone who works at Walmart really must love their job then, right?

18 Nov 2012 12:49 PM
teto85    [TotalFark]  
Good for them.

18 Nov 2012 12:53 PM
Friskya    [TotalFark]  

Bontesla: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Everyone who works at Walmart really must love their job then, right?


Obviously. Why else would they continue working there, instead of taking the first stable mucking job that came available?

18 Nov 2012 12:57 PM
Bontesla     

Friskya: Bontesla: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Everyone who works at Walmart really must love their job then, right?

Obviously. Why else would they continue working there, instead of taking the first stable mucking job that came available?


Obviously. Great, stable, high paying jobs for those qualified to work at Walmart are raining like a plague upon this nation.

18 Nov 2012 12:59 PM
vartian    [TotalFark]  

tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...


Yeah, because people who work at Walmart have all these options just laid out in front of them.

18 Nov 2012 01:00 PM
Bontesla     

vartian: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Yeah, because people who work at Walmart have all these options just laid out in front of them.


Didn't you realize that they PICKED Walmart?

18 Nov 2012 01:07 PM
basemetal    [TotalFark]  
And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

18 Nov 2012 02:46 PM
Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.


wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.

18 Nov 2012 02:53 PM
coco ebert     
Awesome. Go for it, workers!

18 Nov 2012 03:14 PM
coco ebert     

tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...


As someone who studies labor markets, I can say that there really aren't that many options for "unskilled" or "low-skilled" jobs in this economy. Retailers have largely followed Wal-mart's lead and have increasingly relied on low-wage, part-time work that offers next to zero benefits. Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.

18 Nov 2012 03:17 PM
whistleridge    [TotalFark]  

tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...


Have you ever been to some towns in flyover country? You know, the ones where there used to be 20 - 30 businesses downtown, and now there's a Wal-Mart on the edge of the bunch of shuttered buildings that used to be downtown? Where do you think the folks that worked in those businesses went? Where else would they go?

Wal-Mart is flat-out exploitative, and if you think otherwise, you're dreaming.

18 Nov 2012 03:22 PM
One Bad Apple    [TotalFark]  

coco ebert:

Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.


But it IS funny

18 Nov 2012 03:33 PM
dickfreckle     

Bontesla: Good for you employees.
/Will not be doing any Christmas shopping at Walmart anyway


I had to go there recently because it was the only store open that late, and I desperately needed something.

I'm not trying to pull a hipster dislike of the store; I genuinely despise going there and feel like I'm at the cusp of a heart attack each minute I'm there. Crotchfruit everywhere, muffin-tops, women beating their children...

Anyway, I'm proud of the workers for even planning a walk-out, but at the same time, they have to work or starve. Wal-Mart knows they have this leverage, unless all the employees planning to walk out have spouses that can support them.

18 Nov 2012 03:37 PM
Brontes    [TotalFark]  
So, corporations upper management can stand united when it comes to deciding employee benefits, but employees can't stand united to decide employee benefits?

18 Nov 2012 03:44 PM
basemetal    [TotalFark]  

Weaver95: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.


Working for WalMart, other than management (and even them sometimes), is not rocket science, and it doesn't take that long to get an employee up to speed.

18 Nov 2012 03:48 PM
coco ebert     

dickfreckle: Bontesla: Good for you employees.
/Will not be doing any Christmas shopping at Walmart anyway

I had to go there recently because it was the only store open that late, and I desperately needed something.

I'm not trying to pull a hipster dislike of the store; I genuinely despise going there and feel like I'm at the cusp of a heart attack each minute I'm there. Crotchfruit everywhere, muffin-tops, women beating their children...

Anyway, I'm proud of the workers for even planning a walk-out, but at the same time, they have to work or starve. Wal-Mart knows they have this leverage, unless all the employees planning to walk out have spouses that can support them.


Did you go to that monstrosity they erected by the St. Thomas neighborhood?

18 Nov 2012 03:53 PM
dickfreckle     

whistleridge: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Have you ever been to some towns in flyover country? You know, the ones where there used to be 20 - 30 businesses downtown, and now there's a Wal-Mart on the edge of the bunch of shuttered buildings that used to be downtown? Where do you think the folks that worked in those businesses went? Where else would they go?

Wal-Mart is flat-out exploitative, and if you think otherwise, you're dreaming.


We had a huge debate here in New Orleans regarding Wal-Mart. The point of contention was that it would put the mom 'n pops up and down Magazine St. out of business. Thing is, that didn't actually happen. However, the level of service is far higher, which is why we all still shop at those places. I don't care that my trip will cost an extra $5 or so. The peace of mind is worth paying for. No, I am not even close to wealthy.

I love my local ACE store, even though they're a chain. It doesn't matter if a hammer is $2 more than the Chinese one at Wal-Mart...they take the time to help me, and all the elderly black ladies call me "dawlin.'" Always leave the store with a smile on my face, as opposed to risking a homicide charge whenever I go to Wal-Mart. You can't put a price on an intangible like that.

18 Nov 2012 03:54 PM
coco ebert     

One Bad Apple: coco ebert:

Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.

But it IS funny


Really? I don't say that out of self-righteousness, because sometimes funny is just funny, I just am not getting the humor angle to it.

18 Nov 2012 03:54 PM
GAT_00     

coco ebert: Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.


But it is incredibly Libertarian.

18 Nov 2012 03:55 PM
dickfreckle     

coco ebert: Did you go to that monstrosity they erected by the St. Thomas neighborhood?


Yup. It's widely regarded as the worst Wal-Mart in the world.

And it is.

But since Katrina, everything past Canal St. closes (there used to be plenty of 24 hour stores, but oh well). I almost went to that Rouse's in the CBD we talked about a month or so ago, but the Wally World was closer. I do live next to a gas station that's open all night, but they don't sell beer. They do sell pipes and screens, but no beer.

Point is, I can walk to Wal-Mart in about 15 minutes (think I told you I recently moved to the Irish Channel). I ride a motorcycle, so driving to Rouse's is out of the question after the first beer, which of course is when I want more.

Who in New Orleans doesn't sell beer?

18 Nov 2012 03:59 PM
Weaver95    [TotalFark]  

basemetal: Weaver95: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.

Working for WalMart, other than management (and even them sometimes), is not rocket science, and it doesn't take that long to get an employee up to speed.


it costs more than most people realize. not merely in terms of training but in terms of lost revenue, lost consumer confidence and time.

18 Nov 2012 04:09 PM
theflinx     
I haven't bought anything on black friday in 4 or 5 years. WHO CARES!

18 Nov 2012 04:18 PM
Mike_LowELL    [TotalFark]  
As the greatest philosopher, politician, businessman, and video game player to ever walk this Earth, you should take me seriously when I say that Wal-Mart is the highest form of art to ever exist.

18 Nov 2012 04:22 PM
PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm     
I'm stuck working at my temp call-center job on Friday, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

18 Nov 2012 04:23 PM
Mija     
Good. I'm sick of Walmart encouraging it's employees to get on welfare instead of providing them with insurance and a living wage. I try not to do business with companies like that.

18 Nov 2012 04:23 PM
Techhell     

Weaver95: basemetal: Weaver95: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.

Working for WalMart, other than management (and even them sometimes), is not rocket science, and it doesn't take that long to get an employee up to speed.

it costs more than most people realize. not merely in terms of training but in terms of lost revenue, lost consumer confidence and time.


Not to mention that actually staffing a new position is done by people in management positions, which takes up their time at their salaries. It's expensive to replace even a Wal-Mart Greeter.

Regarding this strike, my thought is that it's going to be a net-negative for labour in general. Not because it's a bad thing that they're doing - IMO, it's not - but because Wal-Mart is going to win, which will set a precedent going forward in future labour actions. Things aren't going to improve until enough people have been directly impacted by the changing business climate and realize how dangerous it is becoming.

18 Nov 2012 04:25 PM
skinink     
WalkoutMart

18 Nov 2012 04:25 PM
mbillips     

basemetal: Weaver95: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.

Working for WalMart, other than management (and even them sometimes), is not rocket science, and it doesn't take that long to get an employee up to speed.


The union knows that, and that's why they're not doing a full-out strike. They're doing brief, targeted walkouts, which bleeds Wal-Mart, but doesn't get to the point where Wal-Mart would save money by firing the workers and hiring new ones.

If the Hostess unions had been as smart, you might still be able to buy Twinkies (probably not; that company was so mismanaged and overleveraged that labor problems were the least of it).

18 Nov 2012 04:25 PM
hbk72777     
Monday's headline "Walmart training 30 new employees"

/Every Walmart I've shopped in regularly, has had the same people there for years.

/Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK

18 Nov 2012 04:25 PM
Jon iz teh kewl     
i turned down a job at Best Buy cause unemployment pays more.

18 Nov 2012 04:27 PM
Coastalgrl     
Online black friday shopping is so much better.

18 Nov 2012 04:28 PM
LovingTeacher     

coco ebert: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

As someone who studies labor markets, I can say that there really aren't that many options for "unskilled" or "low-skilled" jobs in this economy. Retailers have largely followed Wal-mart's lead and have increasingly relied on low-wage, part-time work that offers next to zero benefits. Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.


Sadly in this labor market not all of the people working at Walmartare "unskilled" or "low-skilled" workers. The simple truth is that sometimes we don't have much of a choice in where we work. Despite being educated several times in my life I've just had to take the first job that came along. This has more to do with a bad attitude towards authority in my younger days than my actual skill level.

18 Nov 2012 04:30 PM
PC LOAD LETTER    [TotalFark]  

Mike_LowELL: As the greatest philosopher, politician, businessman, and video game player to ever walk this Earth, you should take me seriously when I say that Wal-Mart is the highest form of art to ever exist.


No, sir, you are. YOU. ARE.

18 Nov 2012 04:30 PM
theorellior    [TotalFark]  
Fark WalMart. Welcome to your first day on the job, here's a packet telling you how to apply for TANF and WIC because the Walton heirs need more Gulfstreams.

18 Nov 2012 04:31 PM
jshine     

hbk72777: Not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving. Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK


Its not a religious holiday, you know.

There's nothing in the Bible that says "And verily did Jesus feast upon the turkeys and stuffing and mashed potatoes and pie, then get drunk and watch football. So sayeth The Lord. Amen".

18 Nov 2012 04:31 PM
XveryYpettyZ     
The central story of the United States is the idea that if you work hard, sacrifice, delay gratification, save and live frugally, in the end you will get ahead and your children will have an opportunity at a better life. Wal Mart, and other stores of their ilk, make a mockery of that ideal by having full-time employees still on public assistance. What is popularly railed-against as lazy people taking advantage of the system is often more a form of corporate welfare than one that benefits the individuals collecting the checks/food stamps/WIC vouchers, etc.

18 Nov 2012 04:32 PM
b0rg9     
I don't like this idea, because soon we will hear in the news of "Walmart scabs".

And Walmart scabs sound itchy and infectious if you pick them.

18 Nov 2012 04:33 PM
jshine     

XveryYpettyZ: The central story of the United States is the idea that if you work hard, sacrifice, delay gratification, save and live frugally, in the end you will get ahead and your children will have an opportunity at a better life. Wal Mart, and other stores of their ilk, make a mockery of that ideal by having full-time employees still on public assistance. What is popularly railed-against as lazy people taking advantage of the system is often more a form of corporate welfare than one that benefits the individuals collecting the checks/food stamps/WIC vouchers, etc.


Maybe its the labor market saying "there are too many workers"? I mean, if an employer can offer $x/hr and someone is willing to take it, that fact must have some meaning other than "the employer is evil".

18 Nov 2012 04:34 PM
Friskya    [TotalFark]  

Jon iz teh kewl: i turned down a job at Best Buy cause unemployment pays more.


You sound Democrat.

18 Nov 2012 04:35 PM
Popcorn Johnny     
I'm about to go get some shopping done at Wal-Mart so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Also, fark unions.

18 Nov 2012 04:35 PM
machodonkeywrestler     

mbillips: basemetal: Weaver95: basemetal: And in other news, WalMart is now hiring.

wal-mart's problem is that they've started to realize that they cannot actually fire their entire work force without it affecting their bottom line. turns out that even the min wage slaves play an important part in the business cycle.

Working for WalMart, other than management (and even them sometimes), is not rocket science, and it doesn't take that long to get an employee up to speed.

The union knows that, and that's why they're not doing a full-out strike. They're doing brief, targeted walkouts, which bleeds Wal-Mart, but doesn't get to the point where Wal-Mart would save money by firing the workers and hiring new ones.

If the Hostess unions had been as smart, you might still be able to buy Twinkies (probably not; that company was so mismanaged and overleveraged that labor problems were the least of it).


You can still buy twinkies.

18 Nov 2012 04:35 PM
fark'emfeed'emfish     

whistleridge: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

Have you ever been to some towns in flyover country? You know, the ones where there used to be 20 - 30 businesses downtown, and now there's a Wal-Mart on the edge of the bunch of shuttered buildings that used to be downtown? Where do you think the folks that worked in those businesses went? Where else would they go?

Wal-Mart is flat-out exploitative, and if you think otherwise, you're dreaming.


I'm right here with ya... just wanted to say I prefer predatory as a descriptor. It says all that and more.

18 Nov 2012 04:35 PM
fred_chan     

hbk72777: Maybe the Jews, Muslims, Jehovahs, etc WANT THE WORK


I honestly can't think of a single Jewish family I know that doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving, and I am a practicing Jew.

18 Nov 2012 04:36 PM
GBB    [TotalFark]  
TFA: Seattle Walmart worker Sara Gilbert said ...

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Really?? No one??

18 Nov 2012 04:37 PM
iheartscotch     
President Obama last seen preparing his fiddle.


/ I keed, I keed

18 Nov 2012 04:37 PM
Hagenhatesyouall     
Oh NOOOEZZZZZZ!

WHERE WILL I GO TO BUY CHEAP CHINESE shiat NOW!!!!!?????

WHERE...WHERE...WHERE!!!!!??????

Wait a minute.....

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Nevermind.

18 Nov 2012 04:37 PM
coco ebert     

LovingTeacher: coco ebert: tbhouston: People choose to work at Walmart for what ever reason..no one is forcing them...

As someone who studies labor markets, I can say that there really aren't that many options for "unskilled" or "low-skilled" jobs in this economy. Retailers have largely followed Wal-mart's lead and have increasingly relied on low-wage, part-time work that offers next to zero benefits. Simply telling workers, "oh well it's your fault you don't have a better job" is lazy and not grounded in empirical reality.

Sadly in this labor market not all of the people working at Walmartare "unskilled" or "low-skilled" workers. The simple truth is that sometimes we don't have much of a choice in where we work. Despite being educated several times in my life I've just had to take the first job that came along. This has more to do with a bad attitude towards authority in my younger days than my actual skill level.


Absolutely. By the way the reason I put quotations around those terms is precisely to question how we use them. There are definitely overqualified people taking those positions but there's also an issue of us denigrating that type of work.

18 Nov 2012 04:38 PM
mbillips     

XveryYpettyZ: The central story of the United States is the idea that if you work hard, sacrifice, delay gratification, save and live frugally, in the end you will get ahead and your children will have an opportunity at a better life. Wal Mart, and other stores of their ilk, make a mockery of that ideal by having full-time employees still on public assistance. What is popularly railed-against as lazy people taking advantage of the system is often more a form of corporate welfare than one that benefits the individuals collecting the checks/food stamps/WIC vouchers, etc.

That story is largely bullshiat, except when a) there was a frontier and b) the government stepped in to create opportunity between 1945 and 1980. Farmers and factory workers between 1870 and 1940 had it WAY worse than Wal-Mart employees today.

18 Nov 2012 04:40 PM
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