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   "It's a sad, sad commentary on the attitudes of the day that a nearly 60-year-old Christmas tradition is now having to hunt for a home, something like our savior had to hunt for a place to be born because the world was not interested"

19 Nov 2012 07:59 AM   |   12884 clicks   |   Kansas.com
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Hanky    [TotalFark]  
Welcome to the People's Republic of Santa Monica. You are not wanted.

/love my old home city

19 Nov 2012 01:48 AM
PreMortem    [TotalFark]  
"...something like our savior had to hunt for a place to be born because the world was not interested."

Wat

19 Nov 2012 02:45 AM
themindiswatching    [TotalFark]  
When did we become such pussies?

/Christianity did fine without public nativity scenes.

19 Nov 2012 02:49 AM
Eat More Possum    [TotalFark]  
You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

19 Nov 2012 03:11 AM
SnarfVader     
Here we go again. Hurr Durr "War on Christmas" derpy derp derpity doo! Normally, I like this time of year. But these douchebags who insist I celebrate the season their way are getting to be intolerable, for Christ's sake.

19 Nov 2012 04:13 AM
Happy Hours     

Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land


I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes

19 Nov 2012 05:01 AM
Bontesla     

SnarfVader: Here we go again. Hurr Durr "War on Christmas" derpy derp derpity doo! Normally, I like this time of year. But these douchebags who insist I celebrate the season their way are getting to be intolerable, for Christ's sake.


Ffs. We're still waiting for Thanksgiving.

19 Nov 2012 05:41 AM
bunner     
This going to be one of those "there's no such thing as an evangelistic atheist" smirkfests, isn't it. I'm gonna get some sleep.

19 Nov 2012 05:42 AM
mamoru    [TotalFark]  

Happy Hours: Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes


You see, there wouldn't be an issue if the Christians hadn't vandalized the displays that Atheists, also expressing their very equal first amendment rights, put up. It's a public space. The Christians do not get special privileges for their displays over those of other faiths or lack thereof.

But since the Christians went and vandalized the other displays, the city decided to cancel the whole thing rather than have the same kind of trouble this year. Now, the city's decision to try to avoid conflict may not be the correct decision, but don't blame the atheists for putting them in the position they were in to make such a decision.

19 Nov 2012 06:27 AM
doglover    [TotalFark]  

Happy Hours: Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes


This.

No different than the anti-drugs and anti-drinking crowd. They just want other people to be miserable. Worthless, the lot of them.

19 Nov 2012 06:43 AM
alienated     

Happy Hours: You militant atheists are assholes


And he is not one of them, asshole. Plus- f you , n00b .

19 Nov 2012 07:06 AM
alienated     
i escalated that quickly . jpg

19 Nov 2012 07:08 AM
Babwa Wawa     

Happy Hours: I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes


"Scenes" are not speech, you retard. You want to hand out leaflets or preach in the park, go ahead. If you want to act out the nativity with live people, feel free. But if you want to put up a scene and then leave it, you need a permit, just as if you were putting up a billboard.

And as someone pointed out earlier, they'd have continued permission if someone hadn't chosen to vandalize the atheists' display last year.

19 Nov 2012 07:15 AM
Happy Hours     

mamoru: Happy Hours: Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes

You see, there wouldn't be an issue if the Christians hadn't vandalized the displays that Atheists, also expressing their very equal first amendment rights, put up. It's a public space. The Christians do not get special privileges for their displays over those of other faiths or lack thereof.

But since the Christians went and vandalized the other displays, the city decided to cancel the whole thing rather than have the same kind of trouble this year. Now, the city's decision to try to avoid conflict may not be the correct decision, but don't blame the atheists for putting them in the position they were in to make such a decision.


Okay, you got me to read the rest of the article. I only read about half of it the first time around. So some shiat got vandalized. That seems to me to be a criminal matter, but to say there wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for that vandalism is somewhat dishonest. Activist atheists obviously saw an issue which is why they trolled the Christians with their displays of Poseidon and Flying Spaghetti Monsters - and that's their right of free speech to do so too.

I find it sad, I'm not religious but I'm not against religion either. If you want to celebrate your god or even multiple gods I'm not going to show up at your celebration just to shiat all over it. If you want to protest a religion, let's be specific about it. Protest the Catholic church sheltering pedophiles if you want. That's something even Catholics can support.


But you just look like assholes when you show up to mock those who have different beliefs than you do - even though that is your right. The First Amendment does protect your right to be an asshole and to make a fool of yourself. I'm suggesting that it might be wiser not to do so.

19 Nov 2012 07:25 AM
cman    [TotalFark]  
And people wonder why we Americans are so divided. We are more content with pissing in everyone's coffee instead of live and let live

19 Nov 2012 07:26 AM
t3knomanser     

doglover: They just want other people to be miserable.


No, that would definitely be the religious folks. Religion is pretty much a system for inducing misery while making your victims feel like they deserve it and should be enjoying it. But that has nothing to do with this thread.

19 Nov 2012 07:27 AM
EvilEgg    [TotalFark]  
I want to put up a scene about the conception, but the city wouldn't let me.

They were all like, "Mary was a virgin, she wouldn't do double penetration on her first time." I still think God could have talked her into it.

Do get me started on my portrayal of Jesus crowning, the didn't want that scene either. The Jesus the stupid Catholics use looks like a three month old, not a newborn. You'd think they'd know what one looks like with the way the shiat them out.

19 Nov 2012 07:29 AM
Generation_D    [TotalFark]  
Kansas City newspaper whining about California town. Mind your own business, red state asswits.

19 Nov 2012 07:33 AM
cman    [TotalFark]  

Generation_D: Kansas City newspaper whining about California town. Mind your own business, red state asswits.


Its an AP article that will be found on pretty much every AP member's website

19 Nov 2012 07:39 AM
Gwendolyn    [TotalFark]  

Babwa Wawa: Happy Hours: I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes

"Scenes" are not speech, you retard. You want to hand out leaflets or preach in the park, go ahead. If you want to act out the nativity with live people, feel free. But if you want to put up a scene and then leave it, you need a permit, just as if you were putting up a billboard.

And as someone pointed out earlier, they'd have continued permission if someone hadn't chosen to vandalize the atheists' display last year.


Spot on.

19 Nov 2012 07:40 AM
t3knomanser     

Happy Hours: Activist atheists obviously saw an issue which is why they trolled the Christians with their displays of Poseidon and Flying Spaghetti Monsters - and that's their right of free speech to do so too.


That is not trolling. That's getting equal time. Poseidon is as legitimate a deity as any other, and we have equal reason to believe in him as we do the judeochristolamic deity. If the state gives one religious group space, then they must give everyone space. That's the best reason for keeping government away from religious holidays.

19 Nov 2012 07:42 AM
thismomentinblackhistory     
Everyone above this post is an asshole, everyone below this post is an idiot.

/barometer of outrage

19 Nov 2012 07:43 AM
Sybarite    [TotalFark]  
Want someone think of the tiny sect of poor oppressed Christians?

19 Nov 2012 07:48 AM
Babwa Wawa     

t3knomanser: That's the best reason for keeping government away from religious holidays.


There are plenty of other, better, reasons.

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19 Nov 2012 07:57 AM
Maturin     
Sixty years of something is not a tradition. It's a fad.

19 Nov 2012 08:02 AM
HotWingConspiracy     
Just pray harder. If your efforts fail, it's clear that god never cared about your idols. Oh wait, that's already in the instruction manual.

19 Nov 2012 08:03 AM
andersoncouncil42     

Happy Hours: Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes


How is "pray all you want, wherever you want, to whom ever you want, just don't use public money or land" against the 1st amendment or asshole behavior?

19 Nov 2012 08:06 AM
TheOriginalEd     
I like x-mas. You spend time with your family, you buy everyone gifts. decorate the house. Its nice.

That christian holiday on the same day can shove it though.

19 Nov 2012 08:07 AM
cassanovascotian     
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19 Nov 2012 08:07 AM
StrangeQ     
The Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Committee argues in its lawsuit that atheists have the right to protest, but that freedom doesn't trump the Christian's right to free speech.

But apparently the Christians' right to speech trumps the atheists as they were the ones who vandalized the atheist displays after the atheists applied for the display locations under the exact same system and using the exact same rules as the Christians. Hypocrisy at its finest.

19 Nov 2012 08:08 AM
ltdanman44     
I enjoy christmas, but not for the religious reasons.

19 Nov 2012 08:09 AM
PirateKing     
The thing that religionists who are up in arms about holiday display equality fail to realize is that a universal ban on public displays actually works in their favor.

Think about it: If all displays are banned, that includes the other religious/non-religious displays. Churches, on the other hand, are free to display on their own property.

There are thousands of churches everywhere. And that means lots of real estate for religious displays.

It's unlikely that there will be many explicitly atheistic displays on private property, so the religious scenes will far outnumber the rest.

19 Nov 2012 08:12 AM
xanadian    [TotalFark]  
Missing from the courtroom drama will be Vix and his fellow atheists, who are not parties to the case. Their role outside court highlights a tactical shift as atheists evolve into a vocal minority eager to get their non-beliefs into the public square as never before

Oh goodie. The militant atheists have all left the bar and are hitting the streets.

/you're not helping

Happy Hours: Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes


The question becomes: are these churches putting up their religious stuff on government property (i.e., city hall grounds)? Then it runs afoul of a government purporting to favor one religion (or non-religion) over another. Hence, why the atheists have put up their OWN displays.

It's still not helping, though. Sometimes, just let the baby have its bottle.

19 Nov 2012 08:12 AM
hbk72777     
What a douche. I'm an Atheist, I have never believed, never went to church outside of a couple of weddings and a baptism. fark this guy. I like seeing the decorations. I like seeing lit up menorahs in windows. I put up 3 full sized trees in my house. Why stop someone else from doing something? Turn your head for a month if you don't like it. Public land is just that, for everyone. So in the summer, you Lib's have your dirty hippies playing folk music on the lawn while you funk up the fresh air, in winter you have a nativity scene, see, it's fair.

/I also decorate big for Halloween, another holiday celebration fake spirits, so suck it.

19 Nov 2012 08:12 AM
Happy Hours     

t3knomanser: Happy Hours: Activist atheists obviously saw an issue which is why they trolled the Christians with their displays of Poseidon and Flying Spaghetti Monsters - and that's their right of free speech to do so too.

That is not trolling. That's getting equal time. Poseidon is as legitimate a deity as any other, and we have equal reason to believe in him as we do the judeochristolamic deity. If the state gives one religious group space, then they must give everyone space. That's the best reason for keeping government away from religious holidays.


No, it would be different if these people actually believed in Poseidon. It's still trolling. And yes, trolling is protected free speech (at least for now), but let's be clear about this. Certain atheists set up displays for the sole purpose of pissing off some Christians.That is trolling. That is evidence that it was an issue before the vandalism took place.

They weren't really promoting Poseidon. They were making a point - which is their right, but it was still very trollish of them especially because they didn't actually believe in Poseidon.

Personally, I don't see religion as such a threat that I have to troll religious folks. I can comfortably ignore religion.

People complain about "free speech zones" for political protests but at the same time they want free speech when it comes to religion to be off of any public property. I think we should be a little more tolerant of speech and allow it and promote it even when we disagree with the message.

19 Nov 2012 08:12 AM
PirateKing     

andersoncouncil42: Happy Hours: Eat More Possum: You want a religious scene up? Put it up on your own land

I'm pretty sure religious speech is covered by the First Amendment. This point was that not only can the government not impose a religion on anyone, they also cannot stop you from practicing your religion.

You militant atheists are assholes

How is "pray all you want, wherever you want, to whom ever you want, just don't use public money or land" against the 1st amendment or asshole behavior?


Militant atheists are the ones who dare to admit it, OUT LOUD. And politely requesting that the law is followed makes us assholes.

19 Nov 2012 08:13 AM
xanadian    [TotalFark]  

Babwa Wawa: And as someone pointed out earlier, they'd have continued permission if someone hadn't chosen to vandalize the atheists' display last year.


Because some people are apparently too insecure in their faith.

/FIGHT *ALL* THE DIFFERENCES!!!

19 Nov 2012 08:13 AM
StrangeQ     

Happy Hours: Okay, you got me to read the rest of the article. I only read about half of it the first time around. So some shiat got vandalized. That seems to me to be a criminal matter, but to say there wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for that vandalism is somewhat dishonest.


Actually, it's not. The only reason the city isn't doing it again this year is because of the vandalism. If the nutjob Christians could accept the fact that their supernatural superstition is just as valid as every other form of supernatural superstition and learn to live with the fact that occasionally people are going to point that out to them when they try to broadcast their beliefs for all the world to see then there wouldn't be a problem.

19 Nov 2012 08:14 AM
orbister     

doglover: No different than the anti-drugs and anti-drinking crowd. They just want other people to be miserable. Worthless, the lot of them.


The last time I looked, it wasn't the atheists who went round telling everybody that there are poor, miserable sinners destined to burn in hell for all eternity because someone ate an apple.

19 Nov 2012 08:14 AM
andersoncouncil42     

Happy Hours:
I find it sad, I'm not religious but I'm not against religion either. If you want to celebrate your god or even multiple gods I'm not going to show up at your celebration just to shiat all over it. If you want to protest a religion, let's be specific about it. Protest the Catholic church sheltering pedophiles if you want. That's something even Catholics can support.


But you just look like assholes when you show up to mock those who have different beliefs than you do - even though that is your right. The First Amendment does protect yo ...


"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."
- Thomas Jefferson

We specifically mocking the belief in gods.

19 Nov 2012 08:15 AM
xanadian    [TotalFark]  
Hmm. In 2011, Vix recruited 10 others to inundate the city with applications for tongue-in-cheek displays such as an homage to the "Pastafarian religion," which would include an artistic representation of the great Flying Spaghetti Monster.

pffffchchchchch....


Ok, NOW you're helping.

/dude still looks like a hipster douche, though...

19 Nov 2012 08:15 AM
t3knomanser     

Happy Hours: I can comfortably ignore religion.


I can- right up until religious beliefs invade government. Which is all. the. farking. time.

19 Nov 2012 08:16 AM
StrangeQ     

hbk72777: I like seeing the decorations. I like seeing lit up menorahs in windows. I put up 3 full sized trees in my house.


You do know that the trees have originally nothing to do with Christian mythology. Just sayin', because I like putting up a tree too, but I don't have to feel like I'm being dishonest about it because I'm celebrating it in its original context.

19 Nov 2012 08:16 AM
orbister     

Happy Hours: Personally, I don't see religion as such a threat that I have to troll religious folks. I can comfortably ignore religion.


Perhaps religion isn't trying to stop you getting married?

19 Nov 2012 08:17 AM
willfullyobscure     
*sniff* he he he he he he *sniff* *snnniifff* he he he he he he *sniff* he he he he he

19 Nov 2012 08:18 AM
t3knomanser     

orbister: Perhaps religion isn't trying to stop you getting married?


Or decide what gets to set up shop in your uterus? Or define regressive social roles based on gender? Or promote the physical, sexual and psychological abuse of children?

19 Nov 2012 08:19 AM
StrangeQ     

Happy Hours: They weren't really promoting Poseidon. They were making a point - which is their right, but it was still very trollish of them especially because they didn't actually believe in Poseidon.


Would it be very trollish of me if all the world smoked cigarettes and I and a few others knew the truth that they cause you to die of terrible, delibilitating cancer and so we set about putting up signs depicting diseased lungs on national have a smoke day?

19 Nov 2012 08:19 AM
cassanovascotian     

StrangeQ: But apparently the Christians' right to speech trumps the atheists as they were the ones who vandalized the atheist displays...


No. Let's stop for a second and be honest with ourselves. The atheists' "display" wasn't exactly a display of something meaningful and valuable that they wanted to showcase about a seasonal holiday they celebrate; it was a Big ol' "Fark you" to the christians -the equivalent of a big farking middle finger sticking up in the air, so don't go all martyr on this by saying that your beliefs were attacked when someone "vandalized" said display.

19 Nov 2012 08:19 AM
TanHamster     
The atheists should go ahead and change the city's name to something a little more secular, too, no?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_ Monica

19 Nov 2012 08:19 AM
xanadian    [TotalFark]  

t3knomanser: Happy Hours: Activist atheists obviously saw an issue which is why they trolled the Christians with their displays of Poseidon and Flying Spaghetti Monsters - and that's their right of free speech to do so too.

That is not trolling. That's getting equal time. Poseidon is as legitimate a deity as any other, and we have equal reason to believe in him as we do the judeochristolamic deity. If the state gives one religious group space, then they must give everyone space. That's the best reason for keeping government away from religious holidays.


EQUAL time? The secular coalition won 18 of 21 spaces. The two others went to the traditional Christmas displays and one to a Hanukkah display.

It would've been fine if they had 1 or 2. Displays about the secular bit of Xmas. Or even a flat-out atheist thingee about how there's no God or something. That would've been fine. But 18 of 21!??

And that's how Vamon Dicks is "not helping."

19 Nov 2012 08:19 AM
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