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   Man who sold the army Chinese ammunition has been arrested for prostitution. Apparently, people liked his guns

19 Nov 2012 10:33 AM   |   5879 clicks   |   Talking Points Memo
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Sybarite    [TotalFark]  
He was sentenced to 14 months of probation and seven months of home detention but was allowed to continue working as a self-employed massage therapist as a condition of his probation.

Well, I'm sure this story will have a happy ending.

19 Nov 2012 08:50 AM
Cythraul     
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Umm, no thanks.

19 Nov 2012 09:09 AM
topcon     
Were these the Botach Tactical guys?

Real piece of shiat company, notwithstanding this story. Very noted poor customer service everywhere you read about them.

19 Nov 2012 10:38 AM
Father_Jack     
that looks like steel cased 7.62x39. Like, for AK47s and SKS rifles.

since when did the US adopt russian firearms?

19 Nov 2012 10:41 AM
earthworm2.0     

Father_Jack: that looks like steel cased 7.62x39. Like, for AK47s and SKS rifles.

since when did the US adopt russian firearms?


stock photo is stock.

19 Nov 2012 10:42 AM
topcon     

Father_Jack: that looks like steel cased 7.62x39. Like, for AK47s and SKS rifles.

since when did the US adopt russian firearms?


The ammo was intended for allies in Afghanistan.

19 Nov 2012 10:43 AM
topcon     

earthworm2.0: Father_Jack: that looks like steel cased 7.62x39. Like, for AK47s and SKS rifles.

since when did the US adopt russian firearms?

stock photo is stock.


Yes, but it really was a shipment of 7.62x39.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ news/the-stoner-arms-dealers-201 1 0316

19 Nov 2012 10:44 AM
stampylives     
defraud government towards the tune of $300,000,000.00... house arrest and probation, still allowed to conduct the business you cheated at.
get caught with 4 grams of weed while being a minority... jail time.


remember, if you are going to be a criminal, be a rich one.

19 Nov 2012 10:50 AM
groppet     

topcon: Father_Jack: that looks like steel cased 7.62x39. Like, for AK47s and SKS rifles.

since when did the US adopt russian firearms?

The ammo was intended for allies in Afghanistan.


^ I think Ive read about them before they were buying ammo from China, the Baltics and places where they make a lower quality AK and SKS ammo and jacking up the prices and selling it to the allies to use in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think there was another company that got busted for saying they were making the ammo here but just repackaging old ammo and selling it.

19 Nov 2012 10:54 AM
Arkanaut    [TotalFark]  
But did they like his rifles?

19 Nov 2012 10:55 AM
liam76     

stampylives: defraud government towards the tune of $300,000,000.00... house arrest and probation, still allowed to conduct the business you cheated at.
get caught with 4 grams of weed while being a minority... jail time.


remember, if you are going to be a criminal, be a rich one.


I would read the rolling stone article linked above.

IIRC the he told the govt what exactly he was selling them, they said "ok" and it wasn't until the big dogs int he amrs world caught wind of it that he got in trouble.

19 Nov 2012 10:56 AM
Bit'O'Gristle     
A former arms dealer convicted of defrauding the government by repackaging 40-year-old Chinese ammunition and selling it to the Army was arrested for prostitution this week, the Naples Daily News reports.

/could have been worse....it could have been French ammo from WWII. It would just jump out of the magazine and run screaming.
//I KEED.

19 Nov 2012 11:03 AM
James F. Campbell     
Restrictive relative clauses are not set off with commas, subster.

19 Nov 2012 11:05 AM
darth_badger     
I've got some Coke from China for sale of the Army wants to buy it.

19 Nov 2012 11:09 AM
dryknife     
What was the problem? Typical Chinese crap with lead in it?

19 Nov 2012 11:16 AM
Magorn    [TotalFark]  

Father_Jack: that looks like steel cased 7.62x39. Like, for AK47s and SKS rifles.

since when did the US adopt russian firearms?


The ammo was supposed to be used to supply Afghan and Iraqi Army troops, both of whom still had boatloads of Russian made guns and it was considered easier to keep them using what they were used to than to make them all swap for NATO standard gear (to say nothing of the fact that we had a bit of ammo shortage at the time for NATO calibers)

The real question is how a 30-something massage therapist and his BFF managed to get a $300 MILLION contract with the US Military with NO references or prior experience?

19 Nov 2012 11:24 AM
treesloth     

Magorn: The real question is how a 30-something massage therapist and his BFF managed to get a $300 MILLION contract with the US Military with NO references or prior experience?


Free massage with every $100M of contract value?

19 Nov 2012 11:32 AM
BHShaman     

Magorn:
The real question is how a 30-something massage therapist and his BFF managed to get a $300 MILLION contract with the US Military with NO references or prior experience?


Lowest bidder scoring.

That and often the contract bids are vetted by an independent reviewing agency. While in theory this helps eliminate preference hiring, the reality is that someone who knows NOTHING about the business they are reviewing for makes decisions for those that will be living with that decision. Since the reviewing agency is not invested too heavily in the outcome, they perhaps don't perform as much due diligence.

19 Nov 2012 12:20 PM
liam76     

Magorn: Father_Jack: that looks like steel cased 7.62x39. Like, for AK47s and SKS rifles.

since when did the US adopt russian firearms?

The ammo was supposed to be used to supply Afghan and Iraqi Army troops, both of whom still had boatloads of Russian made guns and it was considered easier to keep them using what they were used to than to make them all swap for NATO standard gear (to say nothing of the fact that we had a bit of ammo shortage at the time for NATO calibers)

The real question is how a 30-something massage therapist and his BFF managed to get a $300 MILLION contract with the US Military with NO references or prior experience?


Read the rolling story article linked above.

Very interesting story.

19 Nov 2012 12:22 PM
justanotherfarkinfarker     
I remember reading about that contract. Basically they owned a small time arms co because one of the guys uncles was in the biz and he had enough of a rep. So this kid went out on his own and was filling small time contracts with the gov building up a rep. Back then there was so much money flowing around with all the post 9/11 bush bs. If you filled the previous contracts and underbid people you kept getting them. It's an automatic system; almost. Then this big ass contract rolled in and they got it. By underbidding legit people. Only thing was they had no way to fill it. And 7.62 still isn't in huge stocks like it was just post cold war. So they went around grabing rusty shiat from around the world. Then eventually got called out on it.

Now he is sucking dick to make ends meet. Very fitting. Too bad more people from the bush era don't have to do that. Most of them were smart enough to stay very rich.

19 Nov 2012 12:23 PM
liam76     

justanotherfarkinfarker: I remember reading about that contract. Basically they owned a small time arms co because one of the guys uncles was in the biz and he had enough of a rep. So this kid went out on his own and was filling small time contracts with the gov building up a rep. Back then there was so much money flowing around with all the post 9/11 bush bs. If you filled the previous contracts and underbid people you kept getting them. It's an automatic system; almost. Then this big ass contract rolled in and they got it. By underbidding legit people. Only thing was they had no way to fill it. And 7.62 still isn't in huge stocks like it was just post cold war. So they went around grabing rusty shiat from around the world. Then eventually got called out on it.


IIRC they knew they were going to have a problem filling the order and contacted the govt telling them where the ammo was coming from, and the govt gave them the thumbs up.

/could be wrong.

19 Nov 2012 12:34 PM
Apos     
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19 Nov 2012 01:04 PM
chachi88     
I've never had any real problems with NORINCO ammo. You can't re-load it but the military doesn't anyway.

What's the big deal?

19 Nov 2012 01:29 PM
Head_Shot     

chachi88: I've never had any real problems with NORINCO ammo. You can't re-load it but the military doesn't anyway.

What's the big deal?


That's not Wolf brand ammo in the picture? Every time I go to our public range, I find somewhere in the area of 17,000,000 of these cases on the ground. And since they're not brass, they don't deform as much when you step on them, meaning that occasionally someone's foot will roll.....while holding a weapon. Not very safe. I hate these youngsters who don't clean up their brass.

Of course, I suppose I could shell out and go to a private range. But I'm cheap...another reason I handload.

19 Nov 2012 02:02 PM
maggoo     

topcon: The ammo was intended for allies in Afghanistan.


Considering the amount of bullets that Afghan allies shoot at US personnel, maybe the guy deserves a medal for selling chinese knock-offs.

19 Nov 2012 03:00 PM
DrRatchet     

chachi88: What's the big deal?


The story is kind of sad, really. The problem wasn't that the ammo was bad, old, no good, etc. but rather that is was Chinese, and we have rules against licensed arms dealers selling Chinese arms. This guy made a deal to buy ammo from Albania. He didn't figure out until AFTER he took some US money that the stuff was really Chinese ammo shipped to Albania 20 years ago. Dumbass then tried to "fix" the problem by having the Albanians clean the "Made in China" off the crates.

19 Nov 2012 06:05 PM
BravadoGT    [TotalFark]  

topcon: Were these the Botach Tactical guys?

Real piece of shiat company, notwithstanding this story. Very noted poor customer service everywhere you read about them.


That's funny--I ordered some mags from them about 10 days ago, and today received a very brief email from them saying they were out of stock with no ETA. 10 days later? And too disinterested to include even a "we're sorry" in the automated email?

No tax and free shipping don't make up for that kind of service.

19 Nov 2012 09:21 PM
brandent     

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I know there is lots of Nicolas Cage hate on Fark but that was an awesome movie. I believe Rogert Ebert described it as the kind of movie you need Nic Cage for.

19 Nov 2012 11:35 PM
Apos     

brandent: Apos: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 518x346]

approves.

I know there is lots of Nicolas Cage hate on Fark but that was an awesome movie. I believe Rogert Ebert described it as the kind of movie you need Nic Cage for.


Agreed. It's one of my favorites.

19 Nov 2012 11:38 PM
topcon     

BravadoGT: topcon: Were these the Botach Tactical guys?

Real piece of shiat company, notwithstanding this story. Very noted poor customer service everywhere you read about them.

That's funny--I ordered some mags from them about 10 days ago, and today received a very brief email from them saying they were out of stock with no ETA. 10 days later? And too disinterested to include even a "we're sorry" in the automated email?

No tax and free shipping don't make up for that kind of service.


Yep. They lure you in with low prices then drag their feet. Well known.

21 Nov 2012 02:11 PM
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