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   Your tax dollars at work: Town of 1,000 has a $77 million airport with no air service; now adds $29 million harbor with no road access

19 Nov 2012 02:37 PM   |   29990 clicks   |   Anchorage Daily News
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serial_crusher    [TotalFark]  
Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor.

19 Nov 2012 01:14 PM
Babwa Wawa     

serial_crusher: Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor.


Came here to say this, but it's more likely to be about the need to boost our naval presence in the Pacific.

I'd say the harbor (and the airfield) are consistent with the prevailing analysis of emerging threats.

19 Nov 2012 01:25 PM
Cubansaltyballs    [TotalFark]  

Babwa Wawa: serial_crusher: Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor.

Came here to say this, but it's more likely to be about the need to boost our naval presence in the Pacific.

I'd say the harbor (and the airfield) are consistent with the prevailing analysis of emerging threats.


Looks like that harbor could hold maybe one Navy ship.

19 Nov 2012 01:36 PM
AdolfOliverPanties     
Was this where the bridge to nowhere was going?

19 Nov 2012 01:44 PM
sithon    [TotalFark]  
they are there in case global warming opens up the northwest passage .so they can grape their slice of the pie .

19 Nov 2012 01:59 PM
sithon    [TotalFark]  
grab. not grape.

damn autocorrect .

19 Nov 2012 02:01 PM
Babwa Wawa     

Cubansaltyballs: Babwa Wawa: serial_crusher: Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor.

Came here to say this, but it's more likely to be about the need to boost our naval presence in the Pacific.

I'd say the harbor (and the airfield) are consistent with the prevailing analysis of emerging threats.

Looks like that harbor could hold maybe one Navy ship.


How many ships need to be docked there? They're likely talking about a quick refueling station, perhaps emergency repair dock.

It's not going to be San Diego, but fire up google maps and take a look at where Akutan actually is, maybe mapped alongside Adak and Midway, then make your own assessment of how critical that harbor would be in the event of naval hostilities in the Pacific.

Aw hell, I'll do it for you.

19 Nov 2012 02:02 PM
kmmontandon     

AdolfOliverPanties: Was this where the bridge to nowhere was going?


No, that was a completely different pile of pork by bootstrappy, fiscally conservative Alaskan Republicans.

19 Nov 2012 02:03 PM
Nadie_AZ    [TotalFark]  

kmmontandon: AdolfOliverPanties: Was this where the bridge to nowhere was going?

No, that was a completely different pile of pork by bootstrappy, fiscally conservative Alaskan Republicans.


Funny thing. Alaska couldn't exist without Federal aid to build their infrastructure.

I'm ok with funding projects to help states and communities. Anyone have any info whether this one is one of the 'good' projects (further down the line, when the road is built and the town can use it)?

19 Nov 2012 02:15 PM
Ed Finnerty     
Don't worry. I've been in this mess before.

Here's how to fix everything:
1. Press Ctrl + Shift + C
2. In the console, type: motherlode;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!
3. Profit

19 Nov 2012 02:29 PM
cannotsuggestaname    [TotalFark]  

sithon: they are there in case global warming opens up the northwest passage .so they can grape their slice of the pie .


grape pie sounds... interesting.

19 Nov 2012 02:33 PM
fredbox    [TotalFark]  

Babwa Wawa: serial_crusher: Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor.

Came here to say this, but it's more likely to be about the need to boost our naval presence in the Pacific.

I'd say the harbor (and the airfield) are consistent with the prevailing analysis of emerging threats.


Uh yeah, they could just un-mothball Adak ...

19 Nov 2012 02:39 PM
fredbox    [TotalFark]  
On the other hand, a naval installation in Barrow is starting to make a helluva lot more sense. The Coasties are spending a lot more time up there these days..

19 Nov 2012 02:39 PM
Spare Me     
Considering global warming will make that the new Alaskan Riviera, it looks like a great place for a future Sandals resort and casino.

19 Nov 2012 02:41 PM
Corvus     
*read headline*

Must be Alaska!

*click*

Yep!!

Keep being bootstrappy ultra red state Alaska. Oh and how are those socialistic oil payments going?

19 Nov 2012 02:41 PM
MorePeasPlease     
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19 Nov 2012 02:42 PM
2BuckChuck     
If you build it, they will come

19 Nov 2012 02:42 PM
Rhypskallion     

serial_crusher: Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll they'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor. occupy the harbor and airport before we know it!



Fixed that for you.

19 Nov 2012 02:43 PM
TheotherMIguy     

fredbox: Babwa Wawa: serial_crusher: Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor.

Came here to say this, but it's more likely to be about the need to boost our naval presence in the Pacific.

I'd say the harbor (and the airfield) are consistent with the prevailing analysis of emerging threats.

Uh yeah, they could just un-mothball Adak ...


The Department for Redundant Departments has a sub office in charge of Military Redundancy preplanning and backup efforts. Their Senate subcommittee for Redundancy in Redundant Military Outposts would like a word with you.

19 Nov 2012 02:43 PM
FuturePastNow     
That sounds like the cities I built in SimCity.

/the simulator didn't check to see if the seaport had transportation access

19 Nov 2012 02:43 PM
dryknife     

cannotsuggestaname: grape pie sounds... interesting.


It's actually not bad

19 Nov 2012 02:44 PM
dofus     
2 miles? No road? BFD. Generally speaking, there are no roads in the western half of Alaska. That's an area about the size of Texas.

19 Nov 2012 02:44 PM
TheGreatGazoo     
That's ok. Illinois has the $313 million Mid America Airport that has no air service.

19 Nov 2012 02:44 PM
Treygreen13     
I always ended up doing that in Sim City too. I got all excited when I realized I could build harbors and airports so my little town that barely had running water would have an airport taking tourists in and out of the middle of nowhere.

Of course, that was Sim City and I could just re-start. This is real moneys.

Fund fund bond?

19 Nov 2012 02:44 PM
moops     
I can actually say I've been to Akutan (aka Akutraz). I took a Grumman Goose amphibious plane to get there. The town has one bar, which served only Lucky Lager ($5 a can).

19 Nov 2012 02:45 PM
Makh    [TotalFark]  
An overt Aleutian to future events. Global warming or global war, perhaps?

19 Nov 2012 02:46 PM
mutterfark    [TotalFark]  
Maybe it could be used for a Langoliers reboot.

19 Nov 2012 02:47 PM
monoski     
Now for the second question; who did the work and what connections do they have to the money??

19 Nov 2012 02:47 PM
StashMonster     

FuturePastNow: That sounds like the cities I built in SimCity.

/the simulator didn't check to see if the seaport had transportation access


came to say this
leaving satisfied

19 Nov 2012 02:48 PM
Headso     
The Berkshires?

19 Nov 2012 02:49 PM
DGK     

moops: I can actually say I've been to Akutan (aka Akutraz). I took a Grumman Goose amphibious plane to get there. The town has one bar, which served only Lucky Lager ($5 a can).


I have not thought about Lucky Lager beer in a long time, I grew up in Montana and that was the beer my parents drank. I didn't even know that stuff was still being made. I remember my personal opinion being that it tasted like ass

19 Nov 2012 02:49 PM
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier    [TotalFark]  
Since this is outside my Congressional district, I demand this horrible waste of pork be cut immediately.

/But don't touch that new veterans statue/mini garden on the Ohio River walkway
//It's critical to the state infrastructure

19 Nov 2012 02:51 PM
Odd Bird     

AdolfOliverPanties: Was this where the bridge to nowhere was going?


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19 Nov 2012 02:51 PM
Grapple     

dofus: 2 miles? No road? BFD. Generally speaking, there are no roads in the western half of Alaska. That's an area about the size of Texas.


Agree. Anyone that would live anywhere near this part of the world and not be capable at 4x4 travel for 2 miles isn't surviving long enough to worry about...

19 Nov 2012 02:53 PM
Aidan     
Forget it Jake, it's Alaska.

19 Nov 2012 02:53 PM
blatz514    [TotalFark]  
Steve Boardman is head of the Army Corps of Engineers' civil projects division.

Read that as Steve Bartman

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19 Nov 2012 02:54 PM
vudukungfu    [TotalFark]  
Boardman says the Corps made an exception in this case because of the harbor's strategic importance.

strategic importance = STFU and stop asking so many questions.

19 Nov 2012 02:55 PM
freak74     
At least they didn't follow through with the 1950s plan to build harbors in Alaska. "We don't actually NEED a harbor here, but we have a bunch of nukes sitting around..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation _Chariot_%281958%29

Although, that harbor at Akutan kind of looks like a crater...

19 Nov 2012 02:55 PM
Virulency     
how did they build it without even any infrastructure to build it? looks like all it is is a harbor wall and something to dock to...

19 Nov 2012 02:55 PM
ArcadianRefugee     
So an airport that saw use no longer has air service, and a habit was built in advance of the construction of an access road, rather then be douchy and skip over them and possibly deny them a harbor until a road is built and some other president soles out stimulus monies.

I don't see the problems here.

19 Nov 2012 02:56 PM
Gosling     
Look, I know Sig Hansen stops by to unload crab, but is that worth $29 million?

19 Nov 2012 02:57 PM
ArcadianRefugee     
doles

Stupid "predictive" phone.

19 Nov 2012 02:57 PM
crapo87     
I present to you the Libertarian-Socialist State of Alaska.

HOO-RAY!

19 Nov 2012 02:58 PM
Rapmaster2000     
Another unknown for the Akutan harbor: There's no guarantee Trident Seafoods, the largest processor in the Aleutians, will use it.

Ah, corporate welfare.

19 Nov 2012 02:58 PM
fredbox    [TotalFark]  

Corvus: *read headline*

Must be Alaska!

*click*

Yep!!

Keep being bootstrappy ultra red state Alaska. Oh and how are those socialistic oil payments going?


None of this is for the people, its for the corporation doing business there.

19 Nov 2012 03:01 PM
cleek     
according to the city's document , the town is comprised of two populations: a native Aluet population (of about 90 people) and the Trident Fishing Corp (with ~800 people living in company dorms). the harbor will, of course, provide moorings and shelter for the Trident company's fishing boats.

because of the geography, the town is currently only accessible by seaplane or boat. also, the geography prohibits access roads to the airport or harbor. instead, they will be connect by... no shiat... hovercraft service.

19 Nov 2012 03:03 PM
cleek     
here's the document: http://akutanharbor.com/wp-content/upl oads/2011/11/H-LAP_Final_Review_ 10Feb2011.pdf

19 Nov 2012 03:04 PM
dopekitty74     

DGK: moops: I can actually say I've been to Akutan (aka Akutraz). I took a Grumman Goose amphibious plane to get there. The town has one bar, which served only Lucky Lager ($5 a can).

I have not thought about Lucky Lager beer in a long time, I grew up in Montana and that was the beer my parents drank. I didn't even know that stuff was still being made. I remember my personal opinion being that it tasted like ass


I had it in alberta, it was cheap, so alot of people bought it. Wasn't horrible, I'd rather that than LaBatts.

19 Nov 2012 03:05 PM
ficklefkrfark     

fredbox: Corvus: *read headline*

Must be Alaska!

*click*

Yep!!

Keep being bootstrappy ultra red state Alaska. Oh and how are those socialistic oil payments going?

None of this is for the people, its for the corporation doing business there.


^^This....some lucky seafood processor will be able to set up shop with a brand new guvmint subsidized port

19 Nov 2012 03:06 PM
I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros     

freak74: Although, that harbor at Akutan kind of looks like a crater...


That's just an optical Aleutian.

19 Nov 2012 03:06 PM
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