Nice couple of teachers and they had to live next to scumbag losers. They probably blew up their own house for the insurance money.

Indianapolis Department of Homeland Security Chief Gary Coons puts in request for more funds.

Have they found the owner and/or occupants of the house that exploded? Seems like they would be the prime suspects...

So it wasn't a sudden matter/anti-matter collapse like we originally thought, then?

A white van with people in it... could that be any more vague?

Probably the work of a mad scientist

chaosweaver: A white van with people in it... could that be any more vague?

'an occupied vehicle'

chaosweaver: A white van with people in it... could that be any more vague?

Selling Bose speakers at a great price?

Damn, Really? thats quite surprising. Hell, i HARD it from all the way at Washington street and German Church, and thats 15 miles away.

With that begin said, the way people are wanting to burn the mother, seriously, what proof do you have? Because they weren't inside?

AverageAmericanGuy: chaosweaver: A white van with people in it... could that be any more vague?

'an occupied vehicle'

There may or may not have been a vehicle in the area, and there might have possibly been people in it. Either people, or large spidermonkeys.

chaosweaver: A white van with people in it... could that be any more vague?

"The suspect is wearing a hat. I repeat, a hat."

Are you SURE it was a white van?

kxs401: chaosweaver: A white van with people in it... could that be any more vague?

"The suspect is wearing a hat. I repeat, a hat."

"The suspect is hatless. Repeat, hatless."

Screwed that quote up.

At least it wasn't a file cabinet for widows and young professionals.

Tyler Durden did it.

kxs401: kxs401: chaosweaver: A white van with people in it... could that be any more vague?

"The suspect is wearing a hat. I repeat, a hat."

"The suspect is hatless. Repeat, hatless."

Screwed that quote up.

For shame...

...for shame...

Tumbleweed Garden: Have they found the owner and/or occupants of the house that exploded? Seems like they would be the prime suspects...

Yea. They weren't at home at the time, because their furnace wasn't working. They stayed in a hotel that week.

So, sounds like that The white van could say, belong to a furnace repair company? Maybe they skipped the appointment when the family wasn't home? (more likely)

simrobert2001: Damn, Really? thats quite surprising. Hell, i HARD it from all the way at Washington street and German Church, and thats 15 miles away.

With that begin said, the way people are wanting to burn the mother, seriously, what proof do you have? Because they weren't inside?

The suspicious part seems to be the way that nobody was there in the house. They even boarded the cat. (as I recall, it was for something like a one night trip away, and they boarded the cat)

Not exactly damning, but there you have it.

simrobert2001: Tumbleweed Garden: Have they found the owner and/or occupants of the house that exploded? Seems like they would be the prime suspects...

Yea. They weren't at home at the time, because their furnace wasn't working. They stayed in a hotel that week.

So, sounds like that The white van could say, belong to a furnace repair company? Maybe they skipped the appointment when the family wasn't home? (more likely)

Naw, man... the van was totally acting suspicious. It had these shifty, beady headlights. And a scar over it's left blinker.

here we are now going to the south side
i pick up my friends and we hope we won't die
ride at night, ride through heaven and hell
come back and feel so well

So... they're investigating the possibility that it's a homicide. Like all police offers should.

I knew it was fishy. Accidental gas leak explosions just do not explode with that kind of ferocity.

The owner has been making vague statements about the furnace, but there are lots of problems with that.

Furnaces come with several simple, redundant basic safety devices that keep the gas valves shut if there is any sign of problem. But, if they do get stuck open, the gas will generally flow out of the exhaust pipe that vents outdoors.

The smell of gas is very obvious in small amounts. Which leads to the next issue - how did nobody in the neighborhood smell the gas, especially the quantity being vented into the house?

My guess - not the furnace. They sealed the place up tight so no gas would escape and then opened a large gas fitting (dryer etc) to fill it up.

The Green Intern: simrobert2001: Damn, Really? thats quite surprising. Hell, i HARD it from all the way at Washington street and German Church, and thats 15 miles away.

With that begin said, the way people are wanting to burn the mother, seriously, what proof do you have? Because they weren't inside?

The suspicious part seems to be the way that nobody was there in the house. They even boarded the cat. (as I recall, it was for something like a one night trip away, and they boarded the cat)

Not exactly damning, but there you have it.

ah. And dang it, i meant "HEARD"

I tried to find out what it was. I just didnt' have the common sense to turn to say, a local news station, or radio reference.

Channel 13 was there before the police where, even.

simrobert2001: Yea. They weren't at home at the time, because their furnace wasn't working. They stayed in a hotel that week.

So, sounds like that The white van could say, belong to a furnace repair company? Maybe they skipped the appointment when the family wasn't home? (more likely)

Maybe the furnace wasn't working because the gas was leaking out before it got to it?

hackhix:

Seems legit

TheDirtyNacho: The smell of gas is very obvious in small amounts. Which leads to the next issue - how did nobody in the neighborhood smell the gas, especially the quantity being vented into the house?

My guess - not the furnace. They sealed the place up tight so no gas would escape and then opened a large gas fitting (dryer etc) to fill it up.

Or the moron tampered with it, and would up disabling all the basic safety devices.

simrobert2001: Damn, Really? thats quite surprising. Hell, i HARD it from all the way at Washington street and German Church, and thats 15 miles away.

With that begin said, the way people are wanting to burn the mother, seriously, what proof do you have? Because they weren't inside?

All circumstantial......but you have:

Both occupants out of the house.
Daughter sent to a friends house.
Cat put in boarding for the weekend.
Truck parked in front of the house for a long time moved prior to blast.
House mortgaged at 225K (total value 230K)
Attempted short sale in 2011 for ~150K but pulled off the market.
Chapter 13 bankruptcy in 2007.

After the divorce, wife got the house, and new boyfriend moved in. He's a real prize:

Mark Leonard, 43, has a lengthy criminal record dating back to 1992. He has been convicted of several felonies, including intimidation, stalking, operating a vehicle while intoxicated with a prior conviction, theft, dealing in marijuana and possession of cocaine or a narcotic drug, according to Marion County court and Indiana Department of Correction records.

Also, a "Mark Leonard" at that address is listed in Indy incident reports for an 'explosives investigation' on 11/10. I think they're zeroing in on the boyfriend.

So, no 'proof', but something is hinky.

Wonder if it was some sort of terrorism involved, domestic or international, doesn't matter. Maybe it was some sort of bomb making going on.

Maybe they were getting the house "tented for termites." Has anyone seen Heisenberg lately??

/Things that fall down, go BOOM.

kokomo61: So, no 'proof', but something is hinky.

Ah, now that DOES make sense. Though, I was wondering why they would burn the MOTHER. Borading up the cat and sending your daughter out are things you do if someone is attempting to kill you, and has made threats to do so. In a divorce case, that does sound like something somebody would kill for. And a Gas explosion can be written of as "Accidental." (Or so some people believe.)

Woman and man own home

woman and man get divorced

woman gets house and moves in boyfriend.

daughter who lived there not home. woman and boyfriend not home. house cat boarded for 2 nights they weren't home.

smells like woman and boyfriend are involved in insurance fraud and (unintentionally) negligent homocide x 2.

kokomo61: simrobert2001: Damn, Really? thats quite surprising. Hell, i HARD it from all the way at Washington street and German Church, and thats 15 miles away.

With that begin said, the way people are wanting to burn the mother, seriously, what proof do you have? Because they weren't inside?

All circumstantial......but you have:

Both occupants out of the house.
Daughter sent to a friends house.
Cat put in boarding for the weekend.
Truck parked in front of the house for a long time moved prior to blast.
House mortgaged at 225K (total value 230K)
Attempted short sale in 2011 for ~150K but pulled off the market.
Chapter 13 bankruptcy in 2007.

After the divorce, wife got the house, and new boyfriend moved in. He's a real prize:

Mark Leonard, 43, has a lengthy criminal record dating back to 1992. He has been convicted of several felonies, including intimidation, stalking, operating a vehicle while intoxicated with a prior conviction, theft, dealing in marijuana and possession of cocaine or a narcotic drug, according to Marion County court and Indiana Department of Correction records.

Also, a "Mark Leonard" at that address is listed in Indy incident reports for an 'explosives investigation' on 11/10. I think they're zeroing in on the boyfriend.

So, no 'proof', but something is hinky.

I like that they were away at a casino too. Trying to hit the jackpot twice in one night!

simrobert2001: TheDirtyNacho: The smell of gas is very obvious in small amounts. Which leads to the next issue - how did nobody in the neighborhood smell the gas, especially the quantity being vented into the house?

My guess - not the furnace. They sealed the place up tight so no gas would escape and then opened a large gas fitting (dryer etc) to fill it up.

Or the moron tampered with it, and would up disabling all the basic safety devices.


It would take an expert to do that, as it requires pretty much disassembling the furnace entirely - you'd have to remove entire components and subassemblies. And then disconnect the furnace gas fitting and leave it open. Have you ever accidentally opened a gas fitting not connected to something? It is ear piercing loud. And of course, the smell.

It seems very unlikely that incompetent furnace repair would lead to this.

simrobert2001: kokomo61: So, no 'proof', but something is hinky.

Ah, now that DOES make sense. Though, I was wondering why they would burn the MOTHER. Borading up the cat and sending your daughter out are things you do if someone is attempting to kill you, and has made threats to do so. In a divorce case, that does sound like something somebody would kill for. And a Gas explosion can be written of as "Accidental." (Or so some people believe.)

Gotta be either that, or, more likely an insurance scan. Destroy the house, collect the insurance money, and start over. One would hope at least that they didn't intend to blow up the whole neighborhood.

chaosweaver: hackhix:

Seems legit

more like hogtie express

SquiggsIN: Woman and man own home

woman and man get divorced

woman gets house and moves in boyfriend.

daughter who lived there not home. woman and boyfriend not home. house cat boarded for 2 nights they weren't home.

smells like woman and boyfriend are involved in insurance fraud and (unintentionally) negligent homocide x 2.

so, why didn't the cops just come out and say that these two upstanding citzens were wanted for questioning? Or mention their names at all?

Karma Curmudgeon: chaosweaver: hackhix:

Seems legit

more like hogtie express

Giggity?

TheDirtyNacho: It would take an expert to do that, as it requires pretty much disassembling the furnace entirely - you'd have to remove entire components and subassemblies. And then disconnect the furnace gas fitting and leave it open. Have you ever accidentally opened a gas fitting not connected to something? It is ear piercing loud. And of course, the smell.

Huh. you learn something new every day.

When I first saw this story I was thinking meth lab. Guess I was wrong

LordPistachio: simrobert2001: kokomo61: So, no 'proof', but something is hinky.

Ah, now that DOES make sense. Though, I was wondering why they would burn the MOTHER. Borading up the cat and sending your daughter out are things you do if someone is attempting to kill you, and has made threats to do so. In a divorce case, that does sound like something somebody would kill for. And a Gas explosion can be written of as "Accidental." (Or so some people believe.)

Gotta be either that, or, more likely an insurance scan. Destroy the house, collect the insurance money, and start over. One would hope at least that they didn't intend to blow up the whole neighborhood.


Sounds like the criminal bf had it thought through. I bet they sealed up the windows and doors really tight and turned off any appliances that might accidentally spark the fire prematurely. Left one item on a timer.

Gotta love boarding the cat for a night.

SquiggsIN: Woman and man own home

woman and man get divorced

woman gets house and moves in boyfriend.

daughter who lived there not home. woman and boyfriend not home. house cat boarded for 2 nights they weren't home.

smells like woman and boyfriend are involved in insurance fraud and (unintentionally) negligent homocide x 2.

If that is indeed the situation, it's two counts of murder, thanks to this.

kokomo61: simrobert2001: Damn, Really? thats quite surprising. Hell, i HARD it from all the way at Washington street and German Church, and thats 15 miles away.

With that begin said, the way people are wanting to burn the mother, seriously, what proof do you have? Because they weren't inside?

All circumstantial......but you have:

Both occupants out of the house.
Daughter sent to a friends house.
Cat put in boarding for the weekend.
Truck parked in front of the house for a long time moved prior to blast.
House mortgaged at 225K (total value 230K)
Attempted short sale in 2011 for ~150K but pulled off the market.
Chapter 13 bankruptcy in 2007.

After the divorce, wife got the house, and new boyfriend moved in. He's a real prize:

Mark Leonard, 43, has a lengthy criminal record dating back to 1992. He has been convicted of several felonies, including intimidation, stalking, operating a vehicle while intoxicated with a prior conviction, theft, dealing in marijuana and possession of cocaine or a narcotic drug, according to Marion County court and Indiana Department of Correction records.

Also, a "Mark Leonard" at that address is listed in Indy incident reports for an 'explosives investigation' on 11/10. I think they're zeroing in on the boyfriend.

So, no 'proof', but something is hinky.

She also had a restraining order out on her ex-husband because of domestic violence.

Mark Leonard's prior arrest record includes:
* Intimidation
* Coke possession
* Stalking

He seems nice.

It's a frame job!



/In case not obvious, DNRTFA

At least we know the cat didn't do it.

This has been endlessly discussed around here.

A neighbor of of Moncy Shirley said:
-the white van is the boyfriend's work van
-they had been packing stuff up and loading it in the van prior to the weekend of the explosion
-they took the van to the casino instead of the leased car (Cadillac?) that was left in the garage
-the truck sat in front of the house for months and disappeared the day of the explosion
-that they had no doubt they intended to burn the house and car

My wife found the boyfriend listed on a dating site watch list as someone known to date women to take their money

add that to the cat and the tearless crying... everybody here has already convicted them

and they would be guilty of felony murder, not manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter. if someone dies because you committed a felony, you are guilty of felony murder. Indiana law even has a special provision for arson.

I am guessing that the trial venue will be in the far hinterlands of the district, because everyone here HEARD the damned blast, let alone heard OF it.

TheDirtyNacho: I knew it was fishy. Accidental gas leak explosions just do not explode with that kind of ferocity.

The owner has been making vague statements about the furnace, but there are lots of problems with that.

My guess - not the furnace. They sealed the place up tight so no gas would escape and then opened a large gas fitting (dryer etc) to fill it up.

Mythbusters did this. It wont work like that. First, you need oxygen. Second, they couldn't get an explosion even close to the size of this.

chaosweaver: A white van with people in it... could that be any more vague?

I heard they may or may not have had tattoos.