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20 Nov 2012 06:59 PM   |   5388 clicks   |   Mercury News
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bunner     
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"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?'

20 Nov 2012 02:52 PM
real_headhoncho    [TotalFark]  
That is just sad.

20 Nov 2012 03:25 PM
BarkingUnicorn     
I guess the new strategy is the same as the old one: get all the homeless you can off the street and let the rest starve. The goal of ending homelessness is not necessarily compatible with the goal of helping the homeless.

20 Nov 2012 03:48 PM
MaudlinMutantMollusk     
That was handled well

20 Nov 2012 03:50 PM
Darth_Lukecash    [TotalFark]  
"InnVision/Shelter Network really prides ourselves on running our organization like a business," said Maria Duzon, the organization's marketing director. "We have a service model that works like a science if you have enough staff and focused services. We are committed to using metrics-based, research-based practices to do the best by our donors and clients."

There's your problem. Charities aren't really supposed to run like buisness.

20 Nov 2012 06:09 PM
BigNumber12     
San Jose feeding program made homeless by another homeless program


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seen fleeing the scene

20 Nov 2012 07:02 PM
BumpInTheNight     
So a better equipped organization who's vision is to teach the man to fish rather then continuously hand him a fish wants to move in. I'm okay with that.

20 Nov 2012 07:04 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom     
We had a guy in town who had the brilliant idea of renting like a hundred units in a mini-storage place, and then charging homeless people $5 a night to sleep there. Eventually the city's code enforcement department shut his operation down.

20 Nov 2012 07:07 PM
vudukungfu    [TotalFark]  
CEO, Karae Lisle bad
Mike Fox Jr., CEO of Goodwill of Silicon Valley good

20 Nov 2012 07:08 PM
mat catastrophe     
This reminds me of that time Jimmy Buffet sued a "Save the Manatees" group out of existence because he wanted his to be "the one".

20 Nov 2012 07:09 PM
Silly Jesus     
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20 Nov 2012 07:10 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom     

mat catastrophe: This reminds me of that time Jimmy Buffet sued a "Save the Manatees" group out of existence because he wanted his to be "the one".


Jimmy Buffet doesn't live in Key West, anymore

20 Nov 2012 07:10 PM
Benjimin_Dover    [TotalFark]  

BumpInTheNight: So a better equipped organization who's vision is to teach the man to fish rather then continuously hand him a fish wants to move in. I'm okay with that.


This. It sounds like the displaced organization was run by liberals who want to continue to "feel good" about giving people food and the displacing organization is run by conservatives who want to help move the homeless out of being homeless. A hand out vs. a hand up. How dare they try to help people!

20 Nov 2012 07:13 PM
BumpInTheNight     

Silly Jesus: [www.strangepolitics.com image 491x363]


I was gonna snark you for the pathetic attempt to drag this towards the abyss of the politics tab... but the first heading/image in your profile is making me lol hard :P

20 Nov 2012 07:13 PM
The Southern Dandy     
If you rat on the InnVision/Shelter, you'll be lucky to find your toenails. These guys are the roughest of all the charities.

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20 Nov 2012 07:16 PM
Fark Rye For Many Whores     

BumpInTheNight: I was gonna snark you for the pathetic attempt to drag this towards the abyss of the politics tab... but the first heading/image in your profile is making me lol hard :P


I'm trying to figure out if his profile is just more trolling or if he's serious - he sounds like me but then again I don't scream for attention like an angry baby in every thread.

20 Nov 2012 07:18 PM
brimed03     
See, this is why government needs to get out of the compassion business. Clearly, the NGOs have things well in hand.

20 Nov 2012 07:20 PM
Loucifer     
"We packed up the kitchen today and it was really sad" said one volunteer, "we had ten thousand spoons but couldn't find any damn knives!"

20 Nov 2012 07:20 PM
Zeb Hesselgresser     

real_headhoncho: That is just sad.


Read the whole thing, it actually has a happy ending.

Everyone likes those.

20 Nov 2012 07:21 PM
chaosweaver     
This is unacceptable! Who do these people think they are trying to give the homeless marketable skills? Don't they know that the jobs market is tighter than a virgin's ? I don't need more bloody competition out there!

/that being said, this is how you help the homeless.

20 Nov 2012 07:23 PM
firefly212     

Darth_Lukecash: "InnVision/Shelter Network really prides ourselves on running our organization like a business," said Maria Duzon, the organization's marketing director. "We have a service model that works like a science if you have enough staff and focused services. We are committed to using metrics-based, research-based practices to do the best by our donors and clients."

There's your problem. Charities aren't really supposed to run like buisness.


The MBAs have ruined all the good businesses out there, it was only natural for them to go cannibalize a new prey.

20 Nov 2012 07:23 PM
sporkme     
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

--Terry Pratchett

Bureaucracy and competition among charities? SHOCKING.

And yes, you do want to run a charity like a business to maximize efficiency and minimize overhead costs.

20 Nov 2012 07:24 PM
firefly212     

Silly Jesus: [www.strangepolitics.com image 491x363]


We do not "give" unemployment checks... you pay for unemployment insurance out of each and every paycheck. I'm tired of the GOP trying to further the logic that expecting something that you paid for is somehow unreasonable, irrational, or greedy. When I give the cashier at the grocery store my money, I'm entitled to the food in my cart... when I give the government money for insurance, whether SSI, Medicare, or unemployment, you damn well better believe that I'm entitled to what I paid for. I'm tired of you dirtbags trying to give working class people a bad name just because they expect the government to do something useful with their money instead of frittering it away on cronies, defense contractors, and the already rich.

20 Nov 2012 07:26 PM
SearchN     

chaosweaver: This is unacceptable! Who do these people think they are trying to give the homeless marketable skills? Don't they know that the jobs market is tighter than a virgin's ? I don't need more bloody competition out there!

/that being said, this is how you help the homeless.


...

20 Nov 2012 07:28 PM
muck4doo     
Lisle called the San Mateo theory a "cheap shot," noting that she had spent three days last week in San Jose. "This has been a very difficult entrance into the community," she said, "having someone call me out."

Well, you know everything you need to know then about San Jose homeless. Three days.

20 Nov 2012 07:29 PM
firefly212     

sporkme: "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

--Terry Pratchett

Bureaucracy and competition among charities? SHOCKING.

And yes, you do want to run a charity like a business to maximize efficiency and minimize overhead costs.


Though businesses frequently can operate by scheduling needs and addressing those needs at a scheduled time, when people find themselves without food, if you reschedule meeting that need for a month down the road, they're dead, and you're not really a charity at all. If the Red Cross operated like a consulting firm, and when an earthquake hit, they said they'd be out there in a few weeks, but they could come sooner for a pretty hefty fee, they'd be profiteers and assholes, but for some reason you can't see that when it comes to helping poor people on a normal day, when they're having a personal disaster, but everyone else is doing ok.

20 Nov 2012 07:29 PM
muck4doo     

firefly212: Silly Jesus: [www.strangepolitics.com image 491x363]

We do not "give" unemployment checks... you pay for unemployment insurance out of each and every paycheck. I'm tired of the GOP trying to further the logic that expecting something that you paid for is somehow unreasonable, irrational, or greedy. When I give the cashier at the grocery store my money, I'm entitled to the food in my cart... when I give the government money for insurance, whether SSI, Medicare, or unemployment, you damn well better believe that I'm entitled to what I paid for. I'm tired of you dirtbags trying to give working class people a bad name just because they expect the government to do something useful with their money instead of frittering it away on cronies, defense contractors, and the already rich.


I'm Conservative, and will agree. Unemployment insurance, is just that, insurance. You don't get to collect on it if you never paid in.

20 Nov 2012 07:30 PM
red5ish     
Why don't they just go home, get some food out of their refrigerators and heat it up in their microwave ovens?

20 Nov 2012 07:35 PM
Zeb Hesselgresser     

muck4doo: firefly212: Silly Jesus: [www.strangepolitics.com image 491x363]

We do not "give" unemployment checks... you pay for unemployment insurance out of each and every paycheck. I'm tired of the GOP trying to further the logic that expecting something that you paid for is somehow unreasonable, irrational, or greedy. When I give the cashier at the grocery store my money, I'm entitled to the food in my cart... when I give the government money for insurance, whether SSI, Medicare, or unemployment, you damn well better believe that I'm entitled to what I paid for. I'm tired of you dirtbags trying to give working class people a bad name just because they expect the government to do something useful with their money instead of frittering it away on cronies, defense contractors, and the already rich.

I'm Conservative, and will agree. Unemployment insurance, is just that, insurance. You don't get to collect on it if you never paid in.


it can be a little different in some states, but the most popular models are 99% employer funded. The employees contribution to the fund is fairly insignificant. Sorry.

20 Nov 2012 07:36 PM
muck4doo     

Zeb Hesselgresser: muck4doo: firefly212: Silly Jesus: [www.strangepolitics.com image 491x363]

We do not "give" unemployment checks... you pay for unemployment insurance out of each and every paycheck. I'm tired of the GOP trying to further the logic that expecting something that you paid for is somehow unreasonable, irrational, or greedy. When I give the cashier at the grocery store my money, I'm entitled to the food in my cart... when I give the government money for insurance, whether SSI, Medicare, or unemployment, you damn well better believe that I'm entitled to what I paid for. I'm tired of you dirtbags trying to give working class people a bad name just because they expect the government to do something useful with their money instead of frittering it away on cronies, defense contractors, and the already rich.

I'm Conservative, and will agree. Unemployment insurance, is just that, insurance. You don't get to collect on it if you never paid in.

it can be a little different in some states, but the most popular models are 99% employer funded. The employees contribution to the fund is fairly insignificant. Sorry.


It doesn't change the point that you can't collect unless you've paid into it. Whether you paid most of it, or your employer, you don't get to collect if you haven't been working and contributing.

20 Nov 2012 07:38 PM
firefly212     

Zeb Hesselgresser: muck4doo: firefly212: Silly Jesus: [www.strangepolitics.com image 491x363]

We do not "give" unemployment checks... you pay for unemployment insurance out of each and every paycheck. I'm tired of the GOP trying to further the logic that expecting something that you paid for is somehow unreasonable, irrational, or greedy. When I give the cashier at the grocery store my money, I'm entitled to the food in my cart... when I give the government money for insurance, whether SSI, Medicare, or unemployment, you damn well better believe that I'm entitled to what I paid for. I'm tired of you dirtbags trying to give working class people a bad name just because they expect the government to do something useful with their money instead of frittering it away on cronies, defense contractors, and the already rich.

I'm Conservative, and will agree. Unemployment insurance, is just that, insurance. You don't get to collect on it if you never paid in.

it can be a little different in some states, but the most popular models are 99% employer funded. The employees contribution to the fund is fairly insignificant. Sorry.


If you don't think there's cost-forwarding with wages, I've got a bridge to sell you.

20 Nov 2012 07:39 PM
red5ish     

Zeb Hesselgresser: it can be a little different in some states, but the most popular models are 99% employer funded. The employees contribution to the fund is fairly insignificant. Sorry.


In California, where this story is set, the employer pays 100% into the UI fund. That being said, it's still insurance and doesn't get bought and paid for unless the individual was working/employed. If you buy insurance, or your employer buys insurance for you, is qualifying to use it and then using it somehow a freebee? I don't think so.

20 Nov 2012 07:40 PM
firefly212     

red5ish: Zeb Hesselgresser: it can be a little different in some states, but the most popular models are 99% employer funded. The employees contribution to the fund is fairly insignificant. Sorry.

In California, where this story is set, the employer pays 100% into the UI fund. That being said, it's still insurance and doesn't get bought and paid for unless the individual was working/employed. If you buy insurance, or your employer buys insurance for you, is qualifying to use it and then using it somehow a freebee? I don't think so.


Even where it's employer funded (it is here in CO), I can assure you that the math figures into wages when you decide how much you're going to pay a person, especially given the way unemployment payout is structured. Employers do bear some of the cost, but denying there's cost forwarding to the employee just seems beyond the bounds of reason... I can't for the life of me understand how the conservatives understand cost forwarding when it comes to things like cutting wages/hours because of ObamaCare, but they all of a sudden forget how cost forwarding works when it comes to things like unemployment insurance. I see your selectively applied logic, and raise you a pancake astronaut.

20 Nov 2012 07:45 PM
muck4doo     

firefly212: red5ish: Zeb Hesselgresser: it can be a little different in some states, but the most popular models are 99% employer funded. The employees contribution to the fund is fairly insignificant. Sorry.

In California, where this story is set, the employer pays 100% into the UI fund. That being said, it's still insurance and doesn't get bought and paid for unless the individual was working/employed. If you buy insurance, or your employer buys insurance for you, is qualifying to use it and then using it somehow a freebee? I don't think so.

Even where it's employer funded (it is here in CO), I can assure you that the math figures into wages when you decide how much you're going to pay a person, especially given the way unemployment payout is structured. Employers do bear some of the cost, but denying there's cost forwarding to the employee just seems beyond the bounds of reason... I can't for the life of me understand how the conservatives understand cost forwarding when it comes to things like cutting wages/hours because of ObamaCare, but they all of a sudden forget how cost forwarding works when it comes to things like unemployment insurance. I see your selectively applied logic, and raise you a pancake astronaut.


It's not all conservatives. Don't use the broad brush.

20 Nov 2012 07:48 PM
jafiwam     

BumpInTheNight: So a better equipped organization who's vision is to teach the man to fish rather then continuously hand him a fish wants to move in. I'm okay with that.


That group, to a man (woman) is the "I refuse to fish" type.

20 Nov 2012 07:49 PM
KrustyKitten    [TotalFark]  

BumpInTheNight: So a better equipped organization who's vision is to teach the man to fish rather then continuously hand him a fish wants to move in. I'm okay with that.


And part of the long term solution will keep people out of the creeks. I understand that SJ has a long standing issue with amount of homeless people living in creek beds. Evidently the water supply has become ahhh..... tainted.

20 Nov 2012 07:52 PM
firefly212     

muck4doo: firefly212: red5ish: Zeb Hesselgresser: it can be a little different in some states, but the most popular models are 99% employer funded. The employees contribution to the fund is fairly insignificant. Sorry.

In California, where this story is set, the employer pays 100% into the UI fund. That being said, it's still insurance and doesn't get bought and paid for unless the individual was working/employed. If you buy insurance, or your employer buys insurance for you, is qualifying to use it and then using it somehow a freebee? I don't think so.

Even where it's employer funded (it is here in CO), I can assure you that the math figures into wages when you decide how much you're going to pay a person, especially given the way unemployment payout is structured. Employers do bear some of the cost, but denying there's cost forwarding to the employee just seems beyond the bounds of reason... I can't for the life of me understand how the conservatives understand cost forwarding when it comes to things like cutting wages/hours because of ObamaCare, but they all of a sudden forget how cost forwarding works when it comes to things like unemployment insurance. I see your selectively applied logic, and raise you a pancake astronaut.

It's not all conservatives. Don't use the broad brush.


My apologies, I've been a little frustrated by others in the conservative movement portraying a push towards efficiency and accountability from the government as somehow greedy. It is almost like the anti-Obama crowd (I will use that term instead of conservatives) is hellbent on portraying any expectation of getting some bang for the buck out of the government as unamerican, or selfish.

20 Nov 2012 07:55 PM
fusillade762    [TotalFark]  

red5ish: Why don't they just go home, get some food out of their refrigerators and heat it up in their microwave ovens?


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20 Nov 2012 07:55 PM
BumpInTheNight     

jafiwam: BumpInTheNight: So a better equipped organization who's vision is to teach the man to fish rather then continuously hand him a fish wants to move in. I'm okay with that.

That group, to a man (woman) is the "I refuse to fish" type.


and?

20 Nov 2012 07:57 PM
Zeb Hesselgresser     

muck4doo: firefly212: red5ish: Zeb Hesselgresser: it can be a little different in some states, but the most popular models are 99% employer funded. The employees contribution to the fund is fairly insignificant. Sorry.

In California, where this story is set, the employer pays 100% into the UI fund. That being said, it's still insurance and doesn't get bought and paid for unless the individual was working/employed. If you buy insurance, or your employer buys insurance for you, is qualifying to use it and then using it somehow a freebee? I don't think so.

Even where it's employer funded (it is here in CO), I can assure you that the math figures into wages when you decide how much you're going to pay a person, especially given the way unemployment payout is structured. Employers do bear some of the cost, but denying there's cost forwarding to the employee just seems beyond the bounds of reason... I can't for the life of me understand how the conservatives understand cost forwarding when it comes to things like cutting wages/hours because of ObamaCare, but they all of a sudden forget how cost forwarding works when it comes to things like unemployment insurance. I see your selectively applied logic, and raise you a pancake astronaut.

It's not all conservatives. Don't use the broad brush.


I wasn't judging, just splaining where the funds come from. I collected once, it was a huge part of keeping my life together during a tailspin, good program

20 Nov 2012 08:17 PM
Igor Jakovsky     
The concept of get people off the streets and house them while feeding and clothing them is noble, but I cant imagine there are enough beds to do this for everyone. The article says the larger charity only has 85 beds. What happens to the folks that are on a waiting list or have otherwise fallen through the cracks? These soup kitchens that serve meals only have their purpose. Namely to keep people from starving. I dont see the point of having one large charity evict a smaller charity. Surely there are enough homeless folks in that city that they would be better served if both charities were functioning.

20 Nov 2012 08:20 PM
CygnusDarius     

Silly Jesus: [www.strangepolitics.com image 491x363]


Oh, Silly Jesus.

20 Nov 2012 08:23 PM
Mitch Taylor's Bro    [TotalFark]  
I've donated to Shelter Network in the past and believe they are a good organization who just didn't think this through. Waiting until March, using actual, compassionate language instead of hostile MBA-speak to describe their methods, and working to relocate Loaves & Fishes in the mean time would've been best for everyone. I am guessing that they wanted the good publicity that comes with "look at these people we helped get off the street and into housing for Christmas," and didn't take into account the bad publicity that goes with "GTFO, you outdated, inefficient soup kitchen! Our methods are proven best practices that utilize transparency and innovative metrics to maximize efficiency and return maximum shareholder, I mean, donor value!!!"

20 Nov 2012 09:36 PM
BarkingUnicorn     

Darth_Lukecash: "InnVision/Shelter Network really prides ourselves on running our organization like a business," said Maria Duzon, the organization's marketing director. "We have a service model that works like a science if you have enough staff and focused services. We are committed to using metrics-based, research-based practices to do the best by our donors and clients."

There's your problem. Charities aren't really supposed to run like buisness.


This one's run by a Harvard MBA; see Karae Lisle's LinkedIn profile and you'll understand.

She's in the business of ending homelessness, not the charity of helping the homeless.

20 Nov 2012 09:42 PM
JRoo     
What we need are self sustaining homeless shelters that are powered by hobo-run generators attached to stationary bicycles that give them exercise and have hoses to spray the crap out of their pants at the same time.

20 Nov 2012 09:59 PM
Mitch Taylor's Bro    [TotalFark]  

BarkingUnicorn: Darth_Lukecash: "InnVision/Shelter Network really prides ourselves on running our organization like a business," said Maria Duzon, the organization's marketing director. "We have a service model that works like a science if you have enough staff and focused services. We are committed to using metrics-based, research-based practices to do the best by our donors and clients."

There's your problem. Charities aren't really supposed to run like buisness.

This one's run by a Harvard MBA; see Karae Lisle's LinkedIn profile and you'll understand.

She's in the business of ending homelessness, not the charity of helping the homeless.


Wow, 500+ connections and only 3 recommendations? I have more recommendations and far, far fewer contacts!

20 Nov 2012 10:11 PM
legion_of_doo     

Darth_Lukecash: There's your problem. Charities aren't really supposed to run like buisness.


Welcome to California. Homelessness is a racket.

20 Nov 2012 11:34 PM
bloatboy     
Came here for a Saint's Row 2 "Homeless People Make Even More Homeless" reference. I'll check back tomorrow.

21 Nov 2012 12:04 AM
Piestar     

Silly Jesus: [www.strangepolitics.com image 491x363]


I work in a welfare office, and I meet more clients there who believe every word that FOX NEWS puts out then anywhere else in my life.

21 Nov 2012 01:01 AM
sminkypinky     
I like the sound of your 'America' - where do I sign up?

21 Nov 2012 02:53 AM
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