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21 Nov 2012 10:45 PM   |   2805 clicks   |   Philly Burbs
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/I'm sure it's just a glitch.

21 Nov 2012 09:25 PM
Tr0mBoNe    [TotalFark]  

Mentat: [imageshack.us image 408x278]

/I'm sure it's just a glitch.


Some laws of Systems Engineering:
1) Complex systems always fail when you demo them for upper management.
2) All bugs go away when you show it to someone smarter than you.

21 Nov 2012 10:48 PM
Gyrfalcon     
Yeah, and?

You can already report via kiosk; why not pay via kiosk? If it works, great. If it doesn't, it's no different from all the idiots who already don't pay their restitution because they have to buy a 54" plasma screen TV this week.

21 Nov 2012 10:49 PM
AverageAmericanGuy    [TotalFark]  
Mellow greetings. What seems to be your boggle?

21 Nov 2012 10:52 PM
crabsno termites     
Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?

21 Nov 2012 10:53 PM
semiotix     
EZ Pay convenience comes at a price, though. Customers are charged a $2.99 transaction fee to use the kiosk in Warminster.

It's like the old saying: crime doesn't pay once you factor in service fees and associated transaction charges.

21 Nov 2012 10:53 PM
ciberido     

Mentat: [imageshack.us image 408x278]

/I'm sure it's just a glitch.


I think you'd better do what he says, Mr. Subby.

21 Nov 2012 10:54 PM
ciberido     

crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?


Because it will save taxpayers dollars?

Or are you into the whole "cut off your nose to spite your face" flavor of "tough on crime"?

21 Nov 2012 10:57 PM
CalamitousCrasher     
It'd be way cooler if you could order up some crime from it instead. Larceny with a side of grand theft, plz.

21 Nov 2012 10:58 PM
semiotix     

crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?


Short answer: because the effect of that "convenience" will be to increase the payment of court costs and criminal fines. Dude, if you're getting off on how someone had to wait in line to pay their court costs on top of the six months they spent in County, you're just messed up.

More answer: because having a machine do this will mean they can replace the staff that normally counts the money. I'll prove it by quoting from the article: "'We certainly don't see this as a way to replacing people," he added."

Admittedly, many Farkers would want to see both criminals and municipal employees take it in the shorts, but you can't have everything.

21 Nov 2012 11:01 PM
SinPiEqualsZero     
Couldn't we have just made a web site (that didn't depend on someone being at a specific time and place) to more easily and cheaply take their money?

I'm all for making it convenient to recoup costs from the convicted.

21 Nov 2012 11:02 PM
Oznog     
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Umm, yeah, can you let the judge know I'm gonna have to be a little late this month....

/so, we good?

21 Nov 2012 11:04 PM
Gyrfalcon     

semiotix: crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?

Short answer: because the effect of that "convenience" will be to increase the payment of court costs and criminal fines. Dude, if you're getting off on how someone had to wait in line to pay their court costs on top of the six months they spent in County, you're just messed up.

More answer: because having a machine do this will mean they can replace the staff that normally counts the money. I'll prove it by quoting from the article: "'We certainly don't see this as a way to replacing people," he added."

Admittedly, many Farkers would want to see both criminals and municipal employees take it in the shorts, but you can't have everything.


Even more answer: Because most of those "assholes" are nothing more than petty drug offenders, shoplifters and other minor offenders whose crimes consist of missing their court date because they had to pick up their kids at day care or the bus was late (or they're just clueless and forgot they had 48 hours to meet with their probation officer). And because the probation office is only open M-Th 9-5 and Friday 9-4 nowadays, and people sometimes have to choose between keeping their minimum-wage job or reporting to their PO, or taking their kids out of school for a day so they can report. Go to any probation office and you'll see rows of moms and dads with kids who should be in class so they can meet with their PO or pay their monthly restitution.

I for one would just as soon people could report via kiosk 24/7 if it makes it possible for them to do it on weekends or after 5 p.m. during the week; keeps them out of the lockup and lets them keep their crappy jobs so they don't get violated or another bench warrant. Anything to keep the courts less crowded and the jails less full. Sorry if that makes life easier for these "assholes" as you say; but I recommend you do a few days work down at the probation office before you pass judgement on the poor fools who have to report every month.

21 Nov 2012 11:10 PM
semiotix     

SinPiEqualsZero: Couldn't we have just made a web site (that didn't depend on someone being at a specific time and place) to more easily and cheaply take their money?


The short answer is that there are a small number of people who:

• don't have internet at their homes (or don't have homes), and/or
• don't live or work anywhere near a library, and/or
• don't have checking accounts or bank cards, and/or
• genuinely cannot operate a computer well enough to make that kind of transaction happen.

So, for these folks--who hopefully are too busy during the workday to take three busses to pay their fines in person--a dead-simple machine that swallows envelopes full of cash is a good thing.

There aren't too many people like that, but there are a HELL of a lot more of them than you might think, and they are VASTLY overrepresented in the ranks of people who have to pay court costs and restitution, for reasons that, depending on your political orientation, are either completely obvious or one of the Great Coincidences of the Universe.

21 Nov 2012 11:12 PM
wildcardjack     
Dallas had a low tech version of this twelve years ago. I got popped urinating in public in Deep Ellum and had to pay $150 fine, went to city hall or whatever that place was and was able to pop my citation and fine in an envelope into a little lock box.

I wish I would have been able to pay that someplace outside of downtown. I had to pay to park for something that took 15 minutes. I bet they have an online method now but I'm not going out of my way to find out.

I remember seeing that Los Angeles had a kiosk years ago to pay traffic citations. Of course, that was part of their scheme to increase revenues by issuing tickets to people stuck in traffic.

21 Nov 2012 11:13 PM
MrEricSir     

Tr0mBoNe: Some laws of Systems Engineering:
1) Complex systems always fail when you demo them for upper management.
2) All bugs go away when you show it to someone smarter than you.


I must say, these two laws have always proved to be true in my life.

21 Nov 2012 11:13 PM
crabsno termites     

ciberido: crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?

Because it will save taxpayers dollars?

Or are you into the whole "cut off your nose to spite your face" flavor of "tough on crime"?


Nah, but it has been too stormy this last wek to take my bot out so I'm here on Fark.

21 Nov 2012 11:16 PM
crabsno termites     
"week" " boat"

21 Nov 2012 11:17 PM
crabsno termites     

semiotix: crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?

Short answer: because the effect of that "convenience" will be to increase the payment of court costs and criminal fines. Dude, if you're getting off on how someone had to wait in line to pay their court costs on top of the six months they spent in County, you're just messed up.

More answer: because having a machine do this will mean they can replace the staff that normally counts the money. I'll prove it by quoting from the article: "'We certainly don't see this as a way to replacing people," he added."

Admittedly, many Farkers would want to see both criminals and municipal employees take it in the shorts, but you can't have everything.


So, add a machine, don't reduce staff = savings?

21 Nov 2012 11:18 PM
semiotix     

wildcardjack: I got popped urinating in public in Deep Ellum


Ah, a sex offender! Well, at least you paid your debt to society, so all is forgiven.

Now, according to the terms of your sentence, please take up residence no less than ten miles from any daycare, elementary or secondary school, or place where children congregate. Your options are Death Valley and low earth orbit. Both are rather dry, so remember to stay hydrated.

21 Nov 2012 11:22 PM
Fano     
I hope some kid isn't turned into an orphan by some midget with a gun in Crime Kiosk.

21 Nov 2012 11:23 PM
Fark Rye For Many Whores     
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buffet diner:Meals On Wheels
crime kiosk:?

21 Nov 2012 11:27 PM
Cpl.D     
"What are you hear for?"
"Parking tickets. You?"
"Restitution for a felony. And you back there?"
"Public lewdness fine."

21 Nov 2012 11:28 PM
crabsno termites     

crabsno termites: "week" " boat"


Have a huge pot of potato soup on the stove (most going in the freezer) and don't want to scorch it, so don't spellcheck.

/With bacon goodness.

//Love me some "tater soup with bacon.

21 Nov 2012 11:29 PM
semiotix     

crabsno termites: So, add a machine, don't reduce staff = savings?


If the machine increases the number of payments, then... yeah, savings. Whether or not they lay off a few clerical workers.

Reducing the public workforce is probably not a great idea for this or any other county. Private sector job growth compared to just before the 2008 recession has been net positive, which means that the net negative job growth we have since then is 100% accounted for by public sector layoffs. (In other words: if we just go back to the socialistic days of that commie George W. Bush, we'd have net job growth!) And it's not like there aren't other things that these employees could be working on that would be good for all concerned.

But, if I'm right, and "we're totally not going to fire people!" means "we are just about ready to fire people!", then... yeah, even more savings to the municipal budget.

21 Nov 2012 11:31 PM
ciberido     

CalamitousCrasher: It'd be way cooler if you could order up some crime from it instead. Larceny with a side of grand theft, plz.


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Sure, but packaging and delivery are gonna cost you.

21 Nov 2012 11:33 PM
Richard Saunders     
Thanks a lot you shiat-brained, fark-faced, ball breaking, duck farking pain in the ass.

21 Nov 2012 11:33 PM
StoPPeRmobile    [TotalFark]  

SinPiEqualsZero: Couldn't we have just made a web site (that didn't depend on someone being at a specific time and place) to more easily and cheaply take their money?

I'm all for making it convenient to recoup costs from the convicted.


Now they have a convenient way to collect money they can increase the amount of people they pull into the system. Maybe even expand the laws. Maybe they will chose to make something illegal that you do.

Maybe they will catch you doing what you have been getting away with.

Bet you never thought of that?

/casting stones, yada, yada

21 Nov 2012 11:34 PM
crabsno termites     

semiotix: crabsno termites: So, add a machine, don't reduce staff = savings?

If the machine increases the number of payments, then... yeah, savings. Whether or not they lay off a few clerical workers.

Reducing the public workforce is probably not a great idea for this or any other county. Private sector job growth compared to just before the 2008 recession has been net positive, which means that the net negative job growth we have since then is 100% accounted for by public sector layoffs. (In other words: if we just go back to the socialistic days of that commie George W. Bush, we'd have net job growth!) And it's not like there aren't other things that these employees could be working on that would be good for all concerned.

But, if I'm right, and "we're totally not going to fire people!" means "we are just about ready to fire people!", then... yeah, even more savings to the municipal budget.


Do you really think that people who regularly ignore court orders will be more likely to go to a machine? Attitude, my friend.

/otherwise, I agree with you.

21 Nov 2012 11:36 PM
The Ghost of Tom Ace     

Gyrfalcon: Yeah, and?

You can already report via kiosk; why not pay via kiosk? If it works, great. If it doesn't, it's no different from all the idiots who already don't pay their restitution because they have to buy a 54" plasma screen TV thisfood for the week.


/FTFM

21 Nov 2012 11:44 PM
The Ghost of Tom Ace     

crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?


Sheriff Joe, is that you?

21 Nov 2012 11:46 PM
StoPPeRmobile    [TotalFark]  

ciberido: Because it will save taxpayers dollars?


lol

21 Nov 2012 11:46 PM
fusillade762    [TotalFark]  

crabsno termites: "week" " boat"


And here I had this great image in my head of your robot staring forlornly out the window at the rain.

But wait!

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Oznog: [www.sadgeezer.com image 243x182]

Umm, yeah, can you let the judge know I'm gonna have to be a little late this month....

/so, we good?


Came for the suicide booth.

21 Nov 2012 11:51 PM
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21 Nov 2012 11:52 PM
semiotix     

crabsno termites: Do you really think that people who regularly ignore court orders will be more likely to go to a machine? Attitude, my friend.


Sure I do. Not every single one of them--but the reason people don't pay their fines is NOT because they're twirling their mustaches and cackling evilly.

Let's say you get busted for misdemeanor possession (i.e., you had a joint in your pocket when you were stop-and-frisked) and you've got $300 in fines to pay. That's a lot of money to you, but you know that if you don't pay it, you will FOR SERIOUS go to jail for a few days the next time you're busted. County Jail is not a nice place for baby-faced pot-smokers like you. You don't want to go there, not least because your $8/hr job at Taco Bell will not be waiting for you when you come back. So you're somewhat motivated to pay off the debt.

You scrounge together the money before the bill comes due. $5 from grandma, $12 in loose change, your entire $125 weekly paycheck... it adds up. Now, you're not dumb enough to shove a loose wad of bills into an envelope and stick it in the mail. But you live ten miles from the place where you pay the fine. Do you... drive? No, you don't have a car. Take a cab? Disadvantaged person, please. A bus? No, but maybe you take three. Okay, six buses total it is. Except you work a day shift--just like the people who collect your money. Taco Bell does not offer personal days or vacation time. And the whole point of paying the fine was so that you WOULDN'T get arrested and lose your job because you missed a day in jail. So it doesn't exactly make sense to get fired just for the chance to pay the fine.

The clock's ticking. After a month, the fine goes up for some reason, which means that you'll just have a BIGGER problem a week from now. After two, they issue a warrant. But here's the thing--they're not going to hunt you down. It'll just kind of be there.

So, it's about this time that you say FARK IT ALL and take your chances with the bench warrant that will eventually get issued. Maybe you'll get lucky and move to a different shiatty neighborhood in a different jurisdiction before you get stop-and-frisked again.

And you know what? That's probably the smart thing to do! Unless one of two things happens:

1) society figures out a way to avoid this kind of shiat from happening in the first place, or
2) they invent a 24-hour kiosk that will let you take the six buses AFTER your shift.

tl;dr: Yes, I really think that.

21 Nov 2012 11:53 PM
ciberido     

Richard Saunders: Thanks a lot you shiat-brained, fark-faced, ball breaking, duck farking pain in the ass.


It's going to be fun to guess randomly at whom you're addressing.

Um .... "Macho Man" Randy Savage?

22 Nov 2012 12:02 AM
jtown     

semiotix: crabsno termites: Do you really think that people who regularly ignore court orders will be more likely to go to a machine? Attitude, my friend.

Sure I do. Not every single one of them--but the reason people don't pay their fines is NOT because they're twirling their mustaches and cackling evilly.

Let's say you get busted for misdemeanor possession (i.e., you had a joint in your pocket when you were stop-and-frisked) and you've got $300 in fines to pay. That's a lot of money to you, but you know that if you don't pay it, you will FOR SERIOUS go to jail for a few days the next time you're busted. County Jail is not a nice place for baby-faced pot-smokers like you. You don't want to go there, not least because your $8/hr job at Taco Bell will not be waiting for you when you come back. So you're somewhat motivated to pay off the debt.

You scrounge together the money before the bill comes due. $5 from grandma, $12 in loose change, your entire $125 weekly paycheck... it adds up. Now, you're not dumb enough to shove a loose wad of bills into an envelope and stick it in the mail. But you live ten miles from the place where you pay the fine. Do you... drive? No, you don't have a car. Take a cab? Disadvantaged person, please. A bus? No, but maybe you take three. Okay, six buses total it is. Except you work a day shift--just like the people who collect your money. Taco Bell does not offer personal days or vacation time. And the whole point of paying the fine was so that you WOULDN'T get arrested and lose your job because you missed a day in jail. So it doesn't exactly make sense to get fired just for the chance to pay the fine.

The clock's ticking. After a month, the fine goes up for some reason, which means that you'll just have a BIGGER problem a week from now. After two, they issue a warrant. But here's the thing--they're not going to hunt you down. It'll just kind of be there.

So, it's about this time that you say FARK IT ALL and take your chances with the bench warr ...


TL:DR

Poor people use money orders. Every liquor store in the 'hood sells them. They also do check cashing, bill pay, moneygrams, etc. Put the money order in an envelope, put a stamp on the envelope, drop it in a mailbox.

22 Nov 2012 12:04 AM
crabsno termites     

semiotix: crabsno termites: Do you really think that people who regularly ignore court orders will be more likely to go to a machine? Attitude, my friend.

Sure I do. Not every single one of them--but the reason people don't pay their fines is NOT because they're twirling their mustaches and cackling evilly.

(Redacted 'cause there's a whole bunch there)

Disagree. Think that most people who find themselves in that position are there of their own doing: little sense of responsibility. Attitude, my friend; force them to learn.


22 Nov 2012 12:09 AM
StoPPeRmobile    [TotalFark]  

semiotix: crabsno termites: Do you really think that people who regularly ignore court orders will be more likely to go to a machine? Attitude, my friend.

Sure I do. Not every single one of them--but the reason people don't pay their fines is NOT because they're twirling their mustaches and cackling evilly.

Let's say you get busted for misdemeanor possession (i.e., you had a joint in your pocket when you were stop-and-frisked) and you've got $300 in fines to pay. That's a lot of money to you, but you know that if you don't pay it, you will FOR SERIOUS go to jail for a few days the next time you're busted. County Jail is not a nice place for baby-faced pot-smokers like you. You don't want to go there, not least because your $8/hr job at Taco Bell will not be waiting for you when you come back. So you're somewhat motivated to pay off the debt.

You scrounge together the money before the bill comes due. $5 from grandma, $12 in loose change, your entire $125 weekly paycheck... it adds up. Now, you're not dumb enough to shove a loose wad of bills into an envelope and stick it in the mail. But you live ten miles from the place where you pay the fine. Do you... drive? No, you don't have a car. Take a cab? Disadvantaged person, please. A bus? No, but maybe you take three. Okay, six buses total it is. Except you work a day shift--just like the people who collect your money. Taco Bell does not offer personal days or vacation time. And the whole point of paying the fine was so that you WOULDN'T get arrested and lose your job because you missed a day in jail. So it doesn't exactly make sense to get fired just for the chance to pay the fine.

The clock's ticking. After a month, the fine goes up for some reason, which means that you'll just have a BIGGER problem a week from now. After two, they issue a warrant. But here's the thing--they're not going to hunt you down. It'll just kind of be there.

So, it's about this time that you say FARK IT ALL and take your chances with the bench warr ...


DUI

22 Nov 2012 12:24 AM
Gyrfalcon     

crabsno termites: semiotix: crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?

Short answer: because the effect of that "convenience" will be to increase the payment of court costs and criminal fines. Dude, if you're getting off on how someone had to wait in line to pay their court costs on top of the six months they spent in County, you're just messed up.

More answer: because having a machine do this will mean they can replace the staff that normally counts the money. I'll prove it by quoting from the article: "'We certainly don't see this as a way to replacing people," he added."

Admittedly, many Farkers would want to see both criminals and municipal employees take it in the shorts, but you can't have everything.

So, add a machine, don't reduce staff = savings?


Yes.

Right now, the average PO has a caseload of between 200-300 probationers, most of whom could just as easily be reporting and paying by kiosk, but who can't because (although they could report by kiosk) can't pay by kiosk because they have to show up in person to pay. If you could cut that number by even one third, the PO would have more time free to handle real problem cases--the ones who actually NEED to show up and see a case manager face-to-face.

It saves money in the long term because it reduces recidivism: the PO doesn't have to violate people for failure to pay or appear because--surprise!--they were able to report and pay via kiosk; their restitution got paid in a timely fashion and they are off the books; they don't have to go before a judge, which frees up space on the calendar that's desperately needed for someone else; and after a few months, the PO's caseload is reduced to manageable levels.

The stress on PO's and staff is tremendous; so reducing their caseloads would also lower costs by reducing turnover and stress leave. I know that's not as visible as cutting staff, but it's going to be there.

22 Nov 2012 12:27 AM
crabsno termites     

Gyrfalcon: crabsno termites: semiotix: crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?

Short answer: because the effect of that "convenience" will be to increase the payment of court costs and criminal fines. Dude, if you're getting off on how someone had to wait in line to pay their court costs on top of the six months they spent in County, you're just messed up.

More answer: because having a machine do this will mean they can replace the staff that normally counts the money. I'll prove it by quoting from the article: "'We certainly don't see this as a way to replacing people," he added."

Admittedly, many Farkers would want to see both criminals and municipal employees take it in the shorts, but you can't have everything.

So, add a machine, don't reduce staff = savings?

Yes.

Right now, the average PO has a caseload of between 200-300 probationers, most of whom could just as easily be reporting and paying by kiosk, but who can't because (although they could report by kiosk) can't pay by kiosk because they have to show up in person to pay. If you could cut that number by even one third, the PO would have more time free to handle real problem cases--the ones who actually NEED to show up and see a case manager face-to-face.

It saves money in the long term because it reduces recidivism: the PO doesn't have to violate people for failure to pay or appear because--surprise!--they were able to report and pay via kiosk; their restitution got paid in a timely fashion and they are off the books; they don't have to go before a judge, which frees up space on the calendar that's desperately needed for someone else; and after a few months, the PO's caseload is reduced to manageable levels.

The stress on PO's and staff is tremendous; so reducing their caseloads would also lower costs by reducing turnover and stress leave. I know that's not as visible as cutting staff, but it's going to be there.


PO? (not being snarky, but would like to know what your perspective is). Don't most parolees just game the system? The ones I have known do.

/Have to package my potato soup, so may not be back for a while.

22 Nov 2012 12:31 AM
semiotix     

crabsno termites: Disagree. Think that most people who find themselves in that position are there of their own doing: little sense of responsibility. Attitude, my friend; force them to learn.


Do you really? Think that, I mean? I have my doubts. ;)

The internet is good for pissing matches about this, but in my experience it's a very rare advocate of the "Those People..." theory who actually believes even 10% of the things they'd need to believe for the whole thing to hold together, once you get to talking about it with them. It makes for some disappointingly lackluster Thanksgiving Dinners.

22 Nov 2012 12:39 AM
KrispyKritter     
10,000 ways to take your money. they should just cut to the chase. outside of raperape, murder, gun stuff, all the really serious crime, just make most everything legal and tax us all another 25%. save a lot of time & bullshiat, and it would be nice to play adult and bang a hooker or smoke a spliff without becoming a social pariah or a convict. and think of all the useless war on this & that arseholes you could let go find more meaningful callings in life.

22 Nov 2012 12:46 AM
crabsno termites     

semiotix: crabsno termites: Disagree. Think that most people who find themselves in that position are there of their own doing: little sense of responsibility. Attitude, my friend; force them to learn.

Do you really? Think that, I mean? I have my doubts. ;)

The internet is good for pissing matches about this, but in my experience it's a very rare advocate of the "Those People..." theory who actually believes even 10% of the things they'd need to believe for the whole thing to hold together, once you get to talking about it with them. It makes for some disappointingly lackluster Thanksgiving Dinners.


Civilized society requires adherence to some rules. Like them or not (I don't), you have two choices: adhere to the rules or suffer the penalties that civilized society imposes. Your choice, your responsibility.

/Time for a change of government. "till then, this is the real world.

22 Nov 2012 12:46 AM
Richard Saunders     

ciberido: Richard Saunders: Thanks a lot you shiat-brained, fark-faced, ball breaking, duck farking pain in the ass.

It's going to be fun to guess randomly at whom you're addressing.

Um .... "Macho Man" Randy Savage?


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/not the first reference in the thread, either

22 Nov 2012 12:58 AM
dbirchall     

semiotix: The short answer is that there are a small number of people who:

• don't have internet at their homes (or don't have homes), and/or
• don't live or work anywhere near a library, and/or
• don't have checking accounts or bank cards, and/or
• genuinely cannot operate a computer well enough to make that kind of transaction happen.

So, for these folks--who hopefully are too busy during the workday to take three busses to pay their fines in person--a dead-simple machine that swallows envelopes full of cash is a good thing.

There aren't too many people like that, but there are a HELL of a lot more of them than you might think, and they are VASTLY overrepresented in the ranks of people who have to pay court costs and restitution, for reasons that, depending on your political orientation, are either completely obvious or one of the Great Coincidences of the Universe.


So these busy people, who work (not near a library, not near a computer, et cetera) do so in a state that for whatever reason isn't capable of a thing called garnishment of wages? Our biannual "don't get in trouble at work" training guy mentioned that last week (and how they do, at least, have to leave you $500 a month to live on, which, well, ain't jack here) and I thought it was commonplace.

22 Nov 2012 01:04 AM
Gyrfalcon     

crabsno termites: PO? (not being snarky, but would like to know what your perspective is). Don't most parolees just game the system? The ones I have known do.

/Have to package my potato soup, so may not be back for a while.


For reals? Who are you talking about, PROBATIONERS (who have not yet served time for the crime they were arrested for) or PAROLEES (who have done time and been granted early release)? You want an honest answer, here's my perspective.

A probationer, who has been given a chance to make things right, should be given that chance. Too often, they're not. They have to get a job, pay restitution, report to their probation officer, get off drugs, attend anger-management class or other rehab...AND do it all at the court's convenience, not theirs. For things like reporting and paying restitution, that means taking time off the job they probably had trouble finding in the first place, or missing drug rehab the court ordered them to get as a condition of probation, in order to get to the office someplace else that's only open from 9-4 M-F. Miss a meeting or lose the job so you can't pay restitution--get violated and back to the slammer. To me, that's just not right. Society puts all these impossible conditions on people and then penalizes them when they can't do the impossible.

Sure, some of them do game the system--but those are the ones who will get caught doing another crime. Let them. The ones I don't want to get caught are the ones who commit paper crimes, like failure to pay restitution because they couldn't get into the office by 4 p.m. because there was nobody to pick up their kid at school. Or because they missed their appointment with the PO because they had to get to their drug rehab meeting. Why penalize those folks?

Now PAROLEES, who were in prison and got their early release because they promised to behave; that's different. They should be held to a much higher standard and I've got no problem with that. They're essentially still in prison and should behave and be treated as such. It's on them to find a job that allows them to get to their parole officer meetings and suchlike. That's my opinion. YMMV.

22 Nov 2012 01:19 AM
Noah_Tall     

crabsno termites: Attitude, my friend.


He's not your friend buddy.

22 Nov 2012 01:21 AM
BarkingUnicorn     

dbirchall: semiotix: The short answer is that there are a small number of people who:

• don't have internet at their homes (or don't have homes), and/or
• don't live or work anywhere near a library, and/or
• don't have checking accounts or bank cards, and/or
• genuinely cannot operate a computer well enough to make that kind of transaction happen.

So, for these folks--who hopefully are too busy during the workday to take three busses to pay their fines in person--a dead-simple machine that swallows envelopes full of cash is a good thing.

There aren't too many people like that, but there are a HELL of a lot more of them than you might think, and they are VASTLY overrepresented in the ranks of people who have to pay court costs and restitution, for reasons that, depending on your political orientation, are either completely obvious or one of the Great Coincidences of the Universe.

So these busy people, who work (not near a library, not near a computer, et cetera) do so in a state that for whatever reason isn't capable of a thing called garnishment of wages? Our biannual "don't get in trouble at work" training guy mentioned that last week (and how they do, at least, have to leave you $500 a month to live on, which, well, ain't jack here) and I thought it was commonplace.


That would be too convenient; part of the punishment is the hassle of going to the court house or PO office, or at least writing and mailing a check.

Also, some states allow employers to charge an employee a fee for each garnishment; after all, it costs the employer something to garnish the money and send it to the creditor. It's under $10 in most such states but Georgia (of course) allows employers to charge up to $50 a pop.

22 Nov 2012 01:22 AM
semiotix     

crabsno termites: Civilized society requires adherence to some rules.


That's not the part I think you don't really believe. ;)

22 Nov 2012 01:52 AM
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