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   That awkward moment when a creationist gets outwitted by a sixth grader

22 Nov 2012 01:38 AM   |   35981 clicks   |   Patheos
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naughtyrev    [TotalFark]  
Wow that must be embarrassing for that guy. And it should be embarrassing for everyone who agrees with him, but it won't be.

21 Nov 2012 09:24 PM
bloobeary     
In a nutshell:

Kid: What proof do you have that God exists?

Creationist: Uh...because anything is possible.

Kid: Then it's possible you're wrong?

Creationist: WHAARGAARBL!

21 Nov 2012 09:26 PM
effexca     
I like that you can't know 2+2=4 unless you know everything everywhere.

21 Nov 2012 09:34 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope    [TotalFark]  
What the god-pushing f*ckwit was trying to express is a fundamentally held belief among Christians who have examined their faith: You cannot prove god, but you cannot know anything unless it is revealed to you by god. Even if you don't acknowledge god's existence, god exists because if he didn't you wouldn't be sentient.

Circular reasoning at its best. And this guy can't even express his own flawed reasoning. Probably because he's perfectly content living an unexamined life.

21 Nov 2012 09:40 PM
This About That    [TotalFark]  
I don't think creationist guy knows enough to state the question, but he seems to be saying that one can't prove God does not exist, which requires proving a negative, without knowing "everything", which would allow one to know that "everything" doesn't include God. Mr. Creationist conflates evasion and stopping the debate with with "winning". In his halting, unsophisticated nattering, he is, indeed, completely outflanked by Atheist Kid. The whole mess proves only that Mr. Creationist is full of sh*t, and that Atheist Kid is smarter and more articulate than he.

21 Nov 2012 09:42 PM
gremlin1    [TotalFark]  
These things drive me crazy. I am not an atheist but I agree with their right to not believe in God.
However I believe in God (not organized religion)and have no trouble believing in science. I find the idea of a 9000 year old Earth ridiculous and I believe God set off the Big Bang and then sat back to see how it goes.

21 Nov 2012 09:50 PM
propasaurus    [TotalFark]  

21 Nov 2012 09:50 PM
ktybear     
"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F Roberts

21 Nov 2012 09:58 PM
Fark Me To Tears    [TotalFark]  

gremlin1: I find the idea of a 9000 year old Earth ridiculous


Good. The earth is only 6000 years old.

Oh... and Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark. He had to tranquilize the 'raptors to keep things manageable.

21 Nov 2012 10:04 PM
Arthur Jumbles     
The creationist's premise is that unless you know everything you can't be sure that anything is true unless someone who knows everything tells you so.

As such, since I don't know everything I can't be sure that God exists unless It tells me so Itself. I assume the creationist believes that God communicates with people through the Bible. However, given the creationist's premise that we can't be sure of anything without knowing everything there is no way for us to know whether the Bible is actually the Word of God.

21 Nov 2012 10:09 PM
gremlin1    [TotalFark]  

Fark Me To Tears: gremlin1: I find the idea of a 9000 year old Earth ridiculous

Good. The earth is only 6000 years old.

Oh... and Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark. He had to tranquilize the 'raptors to keep things manageable.


I just want to know how Noah managed to keep the rabbits down to just two.

21 Nov 2012 10:12 PM
effexca     

gremlin1: I just want to know how Noah managed to keep the rabbits down to just two.


All the animals got a commemorative lucky rabbit's foot upon departure.

21 Nov 2012 10:14 PM
Ambivalence    [TotalFark]  
How come agnostics are never represented in these debates. I have some pretty good arguments why the entire question of whether God exists or doesn't farking matter.

21 Nov 2012 10:15 PM
Eddie Adams from Torrance    [TotalFark]  

gremlin1: Fark Me To Tears: gremlin1: I find the idea of a 9000 year old Earth ridiculous

Good. The earth is only 6000 years old.

Oh... and Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark. He had to tranquilize the 'raptors to keep things manageable.

I just want to know how Noah managed to keep the rabbits down to just two.


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21 Nov 2012 10:27 PM
Mike_LowELL    [TotalFark]  
I guess I must be watching a different video than you guys. I just saw an intelligent, mature adult destroy a whiny kid in a debate. In other words, a Republican exchanged ideas with a Democrat. Lol.

21 Nov 2012 10:30 PM
Earguy    [TotalFark]  

Mike_LowELL: I guess I must be watching a different video than you guys. I just saw an intelligent, mature adult destroy a whiny kid in a debate. In other words, a Republican exchanged ideas with a Democrat. Lol.


I heard a lot of nonsensical arguing, and when the adult got tested, he reverted quickly to "his dad put him up to this." The kid, however, was not willing to listen or consider a differing opinion. Even if it was stupid. Instead of listening to the answer, he was more interested in firing off another shot.

Ultimately, no minds were changed that day, there was no enlightenment or self examination by anyone in the room.

21 Nov 2012 10:51 PM
ecmoRandomNumbers    [TotalFark]  
Damn, that's some tortured masturbatory logic.

Dimwitted zealots.

21 Nov 2012 11:33 PM
propasaurus    [TotalFark]  

Earguy: Mike_LowELL: I guess I must be watching a different video than you guys. I just saw an intelligent, mature adult destroy a whiny kid in a debate. In other words, a Republican exchanged ideas with a Democrat. Lol.

I heard a lot of nonsensical arguing, and when the adult got tested, he reverted quickly to "his dad put him up to this." The kid, however, was not willing to listen or consider a differing opinion. Even if it was stupid. Instead of listening to the answer, he was more interested in firing off another shot.

Ultimately, no minds were changed that day, there was no enlightenment or self examination by anyone in the room.


That's one of the worst 'both sides are bad' I've ever seen.

21 Nov 2012 11:44 PM
naughtyrev    [TotalFark]  

Mike_LowELL: I guess I must be watching a different video than you guys. I just saw an intelligent, mature adult destroy a whiny kid in a debate. In other words, a Republican exchanged ideas with a Democrat. Lol.


Weak troll. You should've put more effort into supporting douchebag than calling a child who won a debate whiny.

22 Nov 2012 12:25 AM
Ed Finnerty     
If God doesn't exist, who is making me type this?

22 Nov 2012 12:27 AM
Pocket Ninja    [TotalFark]  

Mike_LowELL: I guess I must be watching a different video than you guys. I just saw an intelligent, mature adult destroy a whiny kid in a debate. In other words, a Republican exchanged ideas with a Democrat. Lol.


I'll say. And since we all know how much of a fan the Left is now that "math" (since Saint Clinton invoked it at their convention) and "statistics" (since the Mainstream Media has annointed Saint Nate Silver as the Holy Crusader of Liberalism), here's a test they can do to see it for themselves.

1) Watch the video with pen and paper in hand.
2) Mark each time the little boy says "um" or "uh" or some other vocalized pause and each time the man does.
3) Tally up the scores and weep.

See, vocalized pauses are like a clinch in boxing...it's what a defeated opponent does to buy himself time. I've often thought about studying linguistics, and that's a fact of the science. And here's another fact: the higher pitched someone's voice gets in an argument, they more they know they're losing. Listen the video again, and now listen to their voice tones. Tell me who sounds like the frantic, defeated loser.

This is how criminals are caught, people.

22 Nov 2012 12:29 AM
log_jammin     
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22 Nov 2012 12:41 AM
mamoru    [TotalFark]  
It's unfortunate the kid didn't really get the chance to (and may not have been eloquent enough to) destroy that bullshiat "can you trust me that 2+2=4 if it has been revealed to me?" argument, because that was a really dumb example.

22 Nov 2012 12:43 AM
nmrsnr    [TotalFark]  

Benevolent Misanthrope: What the god-pushing f*ckwit was trying to express is a fundamentally held belief among Christians who have examined their faith: You cannot prove god, but you cannot know anything unless it is revealed to you by god. Even if you don't acknowledge god's existence, god exists because if he didn't you wouldn't be sentient.

Circular reasoning at its best. And this guy can't even express his own flawed reasoning. Probably because he's perfectly content living an unexamined life.


I heard it a little differently, but that may be because of an actual conversation I had with my uber-religious freshman year roommate. His argument (and the one I think that was attempted here) is this:

1) You admit that you may be wrong about what you perceive (any scientist worth their salt will admit as much, like the child's father).
2) Since you admit that you cannot, with 100% certainty, claim absolute knowledge of the Universe, you admit that it is possible that god exists.
3) On the other hand, were there a perfect being with perfect knowledge, and he revealed it to you, you wouldn't have any uncertainty about the universe, since the perfect being revealed knowledge to you. (This is the guy in the video's 2+2=4 analogy)
4) Since the Bible is the revealed word of the perfect being that is god, I have no uncertainty about god's existence.
5) Since I have no uncertainty, that proves that the revelation came from god. While your uncertainty allows for god to exist, my certainty does not allow for god to not exist, therefore god must exist, because I am certain of his existence. QED

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to find the logical flaws in that argument (I couldn't get my roommate to see them, though).

22 Nov 2012 01:22 AM
mamoru    [TotalFark]  

nmrsnr: I leave it as an exercise for the reader to find the logical flaws in that argument.


Yay, fun. :D

These are the two most obvious ones.

3) On the other hand, were there a perfect being with perfect knowledge, and he revealed it to you, you wouldn't have any uncertainty about the universe, since the perfect being revealed knowledge to you. (This is the guy in the video's 2+2=4 analogy)

Begs the question. Assumes the being communicating with you is perfect (and is not lying). At least, I think this is question begging, or at least similar to it. Whatever the fallacy is in this situation, it boils down to you not having any reason to be certain in the knowledge that the being communicating with you does indeed have perfect knowledge.

Then you have to throw in the qualification that Hovind had to in TFA, with the statement that there is a rule that the being with perfect knowledge cannot lie (yet never offering a reason why or even allowing anyone the chance to ask). Which means any argument you base off that will beg the question, because it will have to assume those antecedents.

nmrsnr: 4) Since the Bible is the revealed word of the perfect being that is god, I have no uncertainty about god's existence.


Begs the question. Assumes that the Bible is the revealed word of that deity.

Well, that was fun. ;)

/don't mind me... just really really bored right now

22 Nov 2012 01:37 AM
Porous Horace     
I've been outwitted by sixth graders in Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook and by gum has it been that many years since that episode first aired?

22 Nov 2012 01:44 AM
Yogimus     
The best part about having faith is that it does not require constant validation through argument.

22 Nov 2012 01:45 AM
nmrsnr    [TotalFark]  

Porous Horace: I've been outwitted by sixth graders in Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook and by gum has it been that many years since that episode first aired?


Since you used the phrase "by gum" I'm going to go with "yes"

22 Nov 2012 01:46 AM
strobe     
Time is cubed

22 Nov 2012 01:47 AM
ShobuZukuri     
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22 Nov 2012 01:48 AM
Yogimus     

strobe: Time is cubed


would be awesome if he was right.

22 Nov 2012 01:48 AM
log_jammin     

nmrsnr: I heard it a little differently, but that may be because of an actual conversation I had with my uber-religious freshman year roommate. His argument (and the one I think that was attempted here) is this:

1) You admit that you may be wrong about what you perceive (any scientist worth their salt will admit as much, like the child's father).
2) Since you admit that you cannot, with 100% certainty, claim absolute knowledge of the Universe, you admit that it is possible that god exists.
3) On the other hand, were there a perfect being with perfect knowledge, and he revealed it to you, you wouldn't have any uncertainty about the universe, since the perfect being revealed knowledge to you. (This is the guy in the video's 2+2=4 analogy)
4) Since the Bible is the revealed word of the perfect being that is god, I have no uncertainty about god's existence.
5) Since I have no uncertainty, that proves that the revelation came from god. While your uncertainty allows for god to exist, my certainty does not allow for god to not exist, therefore god must exist, because I am certain of his existence. QED

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to find the logical flaws in that argument (I couldn't get my roommate to see them, though).



that hurt my brain

22 Nov 2012 01:49 AM
Huck And Molly Ziegler     
I don't even know what I know - how can I possibly know what I believe?

22 Nov 2012 01:50 AM
Voiceofreason01     

Ambivalence: How come agnostics are never represented in these debates.


apparently because it's more important to be right(and therefore better than the other person) than it is to gain a better understanding of their viewpoint and the world in general

/that being said creationist dude seems like a douche bag

22 Nov 2012 01:50 AM
Tony_Pepperoni    [TotalFark]  

gremlin1: These things drive me crazy. I am not an atheist but I agree with their right to not believe in God.
However I believe in God (not organized religion)and have no trouble believing in science. I find the idea of a 9000 year old Earth ridiculous and I believe God set off the Big Bang and then sat back to see how it goes.


I am an atheist, and I really that statement. :)

22 Nov 2012 01:53 AM
CthulhuCalling     

Porous Horace: I've been outwitted by sixth graders in Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook and by gum has it been that many years since that episode first aired?


Did they sell you a bona fide, electrified, six-car monorail?

22 Nov 2012 01:54 AM
SN1987a goes boom     
Old video is very old.

22 Nov 2012 01:54 AM
Lionel Mandrake    [TotalFark]  

nmrsnr: Benevolent Misanthrope: What the god-pushing f*ckwit was trying to express is a fundamentally held belief among Christians who have examined their faith: You cannot prove god, but you cannot know anything unless it is revealed to you by god. Even if you don't acknowledge god's existence, god exists because if he didn't you wouldn't be sentient.

Circular reasoning at its best. And this guy can't even express his own flawed reasoning. Probably because he's perfectly content living an unexamined life.

I heard it a little differently, but that may be because of an actual conversation I had with my uber-religious freshman year roommate. His argument (and the one I think that was attempted here) is this:

1) You admit that you may be wrong about what you perceive (any scientist worth their salt will admit as much, like the child's father).
2) Since you admit that you cannot, with 100% certainty, claim absolute knowledge of the Universe, you admit that it is possible that god exists.
3) On the other hand, were there a perfect being with perfect knowledge, and he revealed it to you, you wouldn't have any uncertainty about the universe, since the perfect being revealed knowledge to you. (This is the guy in the video's 2+2=4 analogy)
4) Since the Bible is the revealed word of the perfect being that is god, I have no uncertainty about god's existence.
5) Since I have no uncertainty, that proves that the revelation came from god. While your uncertainty allows for god to exist, my certainty does not allow for god to not exist, therefore god must exist, because I am certain of his existence. QED

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to find the logical flaws in that argument (I couldn't get my roommate to see them, though).



So, basically:

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I would add this corollary:

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22 Nov 2012 01:56 AM
Satanic_Hamster     

mamoru: Begs the question. Assumes that the Bible is the revealed word of that deity.


It says it is. Duh.

22 Nov 2012 01:57 AM
log_jammin     

Ambivalence: How come agnostics are never represented in these debates. I have some pretty good arguments why the entire question of whether God exists or doesn't farking matter.


because the atheists would spend all of their time telling the agnostic that he's really an atheist and he's just afraid to admit it.

The creationist would spend all of their time telling the agnostic that he's really a christian and he's just afraid to admit it.

the agnostic would spend all of their time rolling their eyes.

22 Nov 2012 01:58 AM
Omahawg     
a concept by which we measure our pain
-johann lenin

22 Nov 2012 02:00 AM
wozzeck     

Ambivalence: How come agnostics are never represented in these debates. I have some pretty good arguments why the entire question of whether God exists or doesn't farking matter.


Well, think about the task you've just posed---getting someone to give a shiat enough about the issue to show and ask, "Who gives a shiat?"

22 Nov 2012 02:01 AM
Tony_Pepperoni    [TotalFark]  
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22 Nov 2012 02:01 AM
Kittypie070     
Has Mike_LoWELL been freebasing Cheetos?

His performance art is a mite lacking today.

22 Nov 2012 02:01 AM
cyberspacedout     

Ed Finnerty: If God doesn't exist, who is making me type this?


I am.

It's called psychokinesis. Look it up.

22 Nov 2012 02:03 AM
Popcorn Johnny     
I'm not even willing to anymore to accept that others have different beliefs than I do, if you believe in God, you're a damn moron, bottom line.

22 Nov 2012 02:04 AM
Begoggle     
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22 Nov 2012 02:05 AM
Decados    [TotalFark]  

Pocket Ninja: Mike_LowELL: I guess I must be watching a different video than you guys. I just saw an intelligent, mature adult destroy a whiny kid in a debate. In other words, a Republican exchanged ideas with a Democrat. Lol.


See, vocalized pauses are like a clinch in boxing...it's what a defeated opponent does to buy himself time. I've often thought about studying linguistics, and that's a fact of the science.
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Can't even begin to tell you how wrong you are about that. I would I mean, but you wouldn't buy it. Please though... quote a few 'sources' which back up your 'fact'.

22 Nov 2012 02:05 AM
iheartscotch     
Meh, you guys missed the part after the video ends; basically, jebus rides a velociraptor, with a Romney/Ryan bumper sticker on its tail, down a rainbow and strikes down the lil' commie where she stands. It was awesome.

/ oh, I almost forgot; Jebus was playing the "America, Fark Yeah!" song on his electric guitar.

// I keed, I keed

22 Nov 2012 02:05 AM
RedPhoenix122    [TotalFark]  

Begoggle: [i3.photobucket.com image 288x401]


You don't have enough black mana to cast that.

22 Nov 2012 02:06 AM
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