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   Shopping on Black Friday is for suckers, and if you insist on going shopping, here's a handy guide to what you shouldn't buy

23 Nov 2012 04:13 AM   |   11914 clicks   |   Slate
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Pocket Ninja    [TotalFark]  
I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.

23 Nov 2012 12:33 AM
Bucky Katt    [TotalFark]  
Bah humbug. I'm going to give money to the Indians tomorrow ... at their casino.

23 Nov 2012 01:32 AM
RedPhoenix122    [TotalFark]  

Bucky Katt: Bah humbug. I'm going to give money to the Indians tomorrow ... at their casino.


You should do that, then take it back.

23 Nov 2012 03:47 AM
The All-Powerful Atheismo     

RedPhoenix122: Bucky Katt: Bah humbug. I'm going to give money to the Indians tomorrow ... at their casino.

You should do that, then take it back.


You should go to their poker table and then ante with some blankets and whiskey.

23 Nov 2012 04:16 AM
Omahawg     

Pocket Ninja: I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.


man, those e-books don't pay nothing for royalties. seriously. it ain't even worth anyone's time. it doesn't even average out a penny a word anymore.

that's what the downfall of civilization will be. when it don't even pay to tell folks about anything anymore.

fark those e-books. fark them all day and all night long.

23 Nov 2012 04:17 AM
The All-Powerful Atheismo     

Omahawg: Pocket Ninja: I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.

man, those e-books don't pay nothing for royalties. seriously. it ain't even worth anyone's time. it doesn't even average out a penny a word anymore.

that's what the downfall of civilization will be. when it don't even pay to tell folks about anything anymore.

fark those e-books. fark them all day and all night long.


you are clearly an accomplished author, what with being a master of the English language and all.

23 Nov 2012 04:22 AM
Butterflew    [TotalFark]  

Pocket Ninja: I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.


My bf wanted one of these. I reminded him that he already had a kindle paperweight at home.

23 Nov 2012 04:24 AM
thatboyoverthere    [TotalFark]  
Says you subby. I managed to get a PS3 for 180 bucks with Uncharted 1 anf 2 and Infamous 1 and 2.

23 Nov 2012 04:25 AM
Mad_Radhu     
My plan to show up fashionably late worked out well again this year. I popped into Target about an hour after they opened, grabbed a few of the deals I was looking for, and got out. It seems like about one hour after opening is a good window to get some deals easily because the initial crowds have dispersed, and the store staff now has some time to start gathering up the various doorbusters left abandoned by customers who snatched them up in a hurry and then had second thoughts. There were Xboxes and Blu-Ray players scatted all through the store, and a little searching would generally find you what you were looking for.

Hell, I could have even grabbed the crazy doorbuster HDTV deal (a 50" Westinghouse for $350) if I wanted to. As I was wandering by the electronics staging area for the Black Friday deals, they were just hauling 6 of them out to the floor because no one who grabbed the tickets for them in line ever came to get them, so a couple of the staff were talking up the deal to people who were looking at the pallets of electronics. I'm betting some of the latecomers like me probably grabbed the deal while the people who were outside waiting in the cold just behind the last of the people who got tickets missed out because they probably already had gone home before the leftover inventory was brought out. For two years in a row, the strategy to hit the store about an hour after the doors open has worked out beautifully.

23 Nov 2012 04:27 AM
Omahawg     
meh. i get a couple checks a year so what of it? i'm a notorious luddite though who has never owned a cell phone so i'm likely prejudiced but, damn, the royalties from e-book downloads are truly less than a pittance. i'm talking charles dickens orphans scrounging for alms and gruel in the gutter with the offal level of payment.

23 Nov 2012 04:29 AM
schoolbread     

Omahawg: meh. i get a couple checks a year so what of it? i'm a notorious luddite though who has never owned a cell phone so i'm likely prejudiced but, damn, the royalties from e-book downloads are truly less than a pittance. i'm talking charles dickens orphans scrounging for alms and gruel in the gutter with the offal level of payment.


I just pirate all of my Ebooks, shrug.

//feels bad about it
//sometimes

23 Nov 2012 04:32 AM
Omahawg     
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go buy books, people! real books! they have pages and shiat!

23 Nov 2012 04:41 AM
My Bologna Has A Maiden Name     
Even shorter guide: buy nothing. By all means, go out and about early and often and waste all the salespeople's time you can, but buy nothing. Take whatever free samples you can but buy nothing. Make it so expensive a proposition for them to ram a distant shame-driven waste fest down our throats that they are forced to cease the year 'round bombardment of christmas advertising. Force some reason upon society. Buy nothing.

23 Nov 2012 04:43 AM
Omahawg     
john waters is a very wise man. didn't you ever see pink flamingos? that's like damn near genius level of wise.

#your dog wants you to eat his poo

23 Nov 2012 04:44 AM
ladyfortuna     
Ah, Black Friday. The orgy of consumerism.

Mind you, when I worked at the ol' EB, I actually kind of enjoyed it, because it was all about the video games. Working at Circuit City killed it for me. Though really, the death-knell started the year or so before with the nit-wit manager EB hired, CC just drove it home.

Still miss some of those years though. Was nice to keep busy all day and actually feel like I was accomplishing something. Now I'm just keeping busy trying to get the rest of my crap listed =/

23 Nov 2012 04:45 AM
ben_oakmag     
Omahawg : go buy books, people! real books! they have pages and shiat! 

I hear it's possible to go buy the original scripts for the "books on tape."

23 Nov 2012 04:47 AM
MadCat221     
The opening on *thursday* crap has shown that Black Friday has jumped the shark. Retail corps have now sunk to new sociopathic lows defying the entire purpose of Thanksgiving, requiring their employees to forgo it to show up at a mandatory all-hands-on-deck event.

23 Nov 2012 04:47 AM
Bomb Head Mohammed     
Pocket Ninja: I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.

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23 Nov 2012 04:55 AM
ladyfortuna     

MadCat221: The opening on *thursday* crap has shown that Black Friday has jumped the shark. Retail corps have now sunk to new sociopathic lows defying the entire purpose of Thanksgiving, requiring their employees to forgo it to show up at a mandatory all-hands-on-deck event.


Agreed. I worked six years in retail (physical location, not including my business), plus two in the food court during high school. I have a little less respect for any of my friends who went shopping on Thursday. Partly because wtf, stay home with your own family, but more to the point: every single person who shops on Thanksgiving is contributing to the problem. Every single one of you. YOU are the reason (most) retail employees can now no longer have one of the three guaranteed days off of the year.

Anyone who spouts that bullshiat about 'they knew what they were signing up for'? Normally I abhor the wish of violence on innocent people, but I'm willing to make an exception in this case. You asked for it, so I hope you hit a deer or a patch of ice because you *had* to save $10.

It's not farking worth it to steal one of the few remaining holidays from your fellow man. Get over it.

23 Nov 2012 05:00 AM
Mad_Radhu     

thatboyoverthere: Says you subby. I managed to get a PS3 for 180 bucks with Uncharted 1 anf 2 and Infamous 1 and 2.


That was a pretty nice deal. It's just a shame the new PS3s look like ass compared to the old SIlms. I really hate that they dropped the slot loading drive, which really makes it seem so much cheaper now. I hope mine doesn't die and need to be replaced, because I really don't want to have to switch to a newer tray load system.

If you're new to the PS3, you might want to check out Playstation Plus. It has turned into a really nice deal lately because they have started to put up full versions of some of the older PS3 games as free downloads if you pay $50 a year for the subscription. Since you get to keep the games as long as you keep up your subscription, I've filled up my hard drive with downloaded games like LittleBigPlanet 2, Resident Evil 5, King of Fighters XIII, and the first two episodes of The Walking Dead (of course, if you miss the freebies you can't go back and "purchase" them). The service had pretty crappy freebies when it started, but lately they have had some really good stuff.

23 Nov 2012 05:01 AM
ladyfortuna     

Mad_Radhu: e


For the love of god, just stop.

23 Nov 2012 05:02 AM
Beta Tested     
"Don't buy a non-retina MacBook"

This section was some of the worst computer advice I have heard. Firstly, the Air and Pro do not compete with each other, they may be comparatively priced but the Pro is more powerful while the Air is more portable, one is not better than the other. Just want a computer to surf and use office with, get the Air... want to get into photography and use Photoshop, Pro hands down.

Secondly, the Retina is $600 more expensive, that isn't a small amount of money. And, frankly, I don't understand why you'd need a 15 or 13 inch screen with such a high resolution, wouldn't that make it hard to use? The iPad makes sense, since the apps are custom made anyway, they can be designed with an interface for a specific devise that takes full advantage of the resolution. Also, on a large monitor a higher resolution gives you more easily accessible screen real estate, but I can't see how that would work on a laptop.

Maybe someone could help me out here? Has anyone used one?

//Not an Apple person but I recently helped a friend pick out one that was right for her.

23 Nov 2012 05:05 AM
Mad_Radhu     

ladyfortuna: Mad_Radhu: e

For the love of god, just stop.


Sorry, didn't realize I was personally pissing in your Cherrios this morning.

23 Nov 2012 05:10 AM
gadian     
I thought the charm of the Nook and what have you was that it didn't have a backlight to ruin your eyes. I don't care if I can read in the dark, I care if my eyes burn part way through chapter 1.

23 Nov 2012 05:11 AM
Beta Tested     

gadian: I thought the charm of the Nook and what have you was that it didn't have a backlight to ruin your eyes. I don't care if I can read in the dark, I care if my eyes burn part way through chapter 1.


It isn't a back-light, it is basically a light embedded in the plastic cover over the e-ink. You can google it for a better explanation.

23 Nov 2012 05:19 AM
Robyr     

Mad_Radhu: ladyfortuna: Mad_Radhu: e

For the love of god, just stop.

Sorry, didn't realize I was personally pissing in your Cherrios this morning.


I hate being that guy. If they didn't want pee in their cereal, they should stop leaving it in the toilet.

23 Nov 2012 05:19 AM
werty789     

Omahawg: Pocket Ninja: I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.

man, those e-books don't pay nothing for royalties. seriously. it ain't even worth anyone's time. it doesn't even average out a penny a word anymore.

that's what the downfall of civilization will be. when it don't even pay to tell folks about anything anymore.

fark those e-books. fark them all day and all night long.


Wrong. The industry average royalty for physical books is 7.5% of witch the author's agent gets a 15% cut. A self published ebook on Amazon will get a 70% royalty. When you do the math, an ebook that sells for $2.99 will get the author about the same royalty as a physical book that sells for $19.95. Selling an ebook for $1.99 will get an author more royalties than a $7.95 paperback.

23 Nov 2012 05:22 AM
LDM90     
If you are shopping today, you are what's wrong with this country.

/why yes I AM on my break at 4:30 am

23 Nov 2012 05:32 AM
Old enough to know better     
So any good riots or stampedes yet?

23 Nov 2012 05:36 AM
ladyfortuna     

Mad_Radhu: ladyfortuna: Mad_Radhu: e

For the love of god, just stop.

Sorry, didn't realize I was personally pissing in your Cheerios this morning.


Actually I'm still drinking beer and plan to continue for a while yet. Today is 'reset internal clock' day.

23 Nov 2012 05:50 AM
Omahawg     

werty789: Omahawg: Pocket Ninja: I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.

man, those e-books don't pay nothing for royalties. seriously. it ain't even worth anyone's time. it doesn't even average out a penny a word anymore.

that's what the downfall of civilization will be. when it don't even pay to tell folks about anything anymore.

fark those e-books. fark them all day and all night long.

Wrong. The industry average royalty for physical books is 7.5% of witch the author's agent gets a 15% cut. A self published ebook on Amazon will get a 70% royalty. When you do the math, an ebook that sells for $2.99 will get the author about the same royalty as a physical book that sells for $19.95. Selling an ebook for $1.99 will get an author more royalties than a $7.95 paperback.


then you have a better agent than me. I said fark it, went through lulu the last time, hustled them myself, and pocketed the straight up $15 per book sold and never said a damn thing to uncle sam.

ain't nothing like walking out of a book signing with a couple hundred bucks cash bulging in your pocket that you ain't going to tell no one about. that's like dope dealing and shiat and made me all smug. the whores hustle and the hustlers whore, right pj? gonna take your problems to the united nations, jackson 5?

23 Nov 2012 05:51 AM
NannyStatePark     

Omahawg: Pocket Ninja: I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.

man, those e-books don't pay nothing for royalties. seriously. it ain't even worth anyone's time. it doesn't even average out a penny a word anymore.

that's what the downfall of civilization will be. when it don't even pay to tell folks about anything anymore.

fark those e-books. fark them all day and all night long.


Omahawg: werty789: Omahawg: Pocket Ninja: I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.

man, those e-books don't pay nothing for royalties. seriously. it ain't even worth anyone's time. it doesn't even average out a penny a word anymore.

that's what the downfall of civilization will be. when it don't even pay to tell folks about anything anymore.

fark those e-books. fark them all day and all night long.

Wrong. The industry average royalty for physical books is 7.5% of witch the author's agent gets a 15% cut. A self published ebook on Amazon will get a 70% royalty. When you do the math, an ebook that sells for $2.99 will get the author about the same royalty as a physical book that sells for $19.95. Selling an ebook for $1.99 will get an author more royalties than a $7.95 paperback.

then you have a better agent than me. I said fark it, went through lulu the last time, hustled them myself, and pocketed the straight up $15 per book sold and never said a damn thing to uncle sam.

ain't nothing like walking out of a book signing with a couple hundred bucks cash bulging in your pocket that you ain't going to tell no one about. that's like dope dealing and shiat and made me all smug. the whores hustle and the hustlers whore, right pj? gonna take your problems to the united nations, jackson 5?


I read a Q&A with an erotica author pulling down over six grand a month selling smut for .99-2.99 a download and its getting better for her everyday. I considered it.

Your last paragraph makes you sound schizoaffective.

23 Nov 2012 06:01 AM
KrispyKritter     

ladyfortuna: MadCat221: The opening on *thursday* crap has shown that Black Friday has jumped the shark. Retail corps have now sunk to new sociopathic lows defying the entire purpose of Thanksgiving, requiring their employees to forgo it to show up at a mandatory all-hands-on-deck event.

Agreed. I worked six years in retail (physical location, not including my business), plus two in the food court during high school. I have a little less respect for any of my friends who went shopping on Thursday. Partly because wtf, stay home with your own family, but more to the point: every single person who shops on Thanksgiving is contributing to the problem. Every single one of you. YOU are the reason (most) retail employees can now no longer have one of the three guaranteed days off of the year.

Anyone who spouts that bullshiat about 'they knew what they were signing up for'? Normally I abhor the wish of violence on innocent people, but I'm willing to make an exception in this case. You asked for it, so I hope you hit a deer or a patch of ice because you *had* to save $10.

It's not farking worth it to steal one of the few remaining holidays from your fellow man. Get over it.


reading this it seems like a combo sour grapes / the pot calling the kettle black. if i worked in retail six years i too would be bitter about it. but it would be self-directed animosity, not outward directed. reminds me of how some veterans love to think their personal decision to play G.I. Joe is a license to mouth loud at everyone about what a hero they are and how they did it for us. it is not customers who are unlocking that door in the morning. that door is being unlocked as per corporate, and they only give damn about bottom line, not your holiday. myself, i'll have nothing to do with thurs or fri sales. when i shop its online. the more people that shop online, the fewer employment opportunities will exist for brick & mortar retail. maybe in a few years all those unemployed retail workers will be happily home for every holiday and every other day of the week while everyone shops online.

23 Nov 2012 06:02 AM
Omahawg     
that's probably about right, nannystatepark

keeps life interesting?

23 Nov 2012 06:07 AM
gmoney101     
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23 Nov 2012 06:08 AM
Dansker     

Pocket Ninja: Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend.


I think it's too late for prayer.

23 Nov 2012 06:19 AM
Dansker     

Omahawg:
then you have a better agent than me.


There is also the possibility that you're not a very good author.

23 Nov 2012 06:23 AM
Mikey1969     

Pocket Ninja: I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.


My wife ran into kinda the opposite with my Nook last year... She bought it on Black Friday because it was a great deal, and would have loved to wait until Christmas to give it to me(A few days due to shipping issues wouldn't have bothered me either), but then she found out that the no questions return policy was 14 days. An untried device(As in she had no idea if I'd like it as a reader) bought the day after Thanksgiving as a Christmas gift that had a 14 day return policy? Sure, she got it quick, but so did I... It's definitely one of the dumbest policies I've heard of, and nobody at the store was any help in this regard.

She could have held out, though, since I love it. The only reason that I'm ging to get a new one is because, like the author mentioned, the lighted ones are nice, and book lights suck. Still, I don't understand why these companies push Black Friday like this and then have asinine policies in place like B&N or idiotic expected ship dates like you ran into. It should be a requireent to use the term Black Friday, you have to at least act like you want your company to succeed.

23 Nov 2012 06:25 AM
dickfreckle     

RedPhoenix122: Bucky Katt: Bah humbug. I'm going to give money to the Indians tomorrow ... at their casino.

You should do that, then take it back.


Why the hell am I still laughing at this?

/well played, son

23 Nov 2012 06:25 AM
Mikey1969     

Omahawg: meh. i get a couple checks a year so what of it? i'm a notorious luddite though who has never owned a cell phone so i'm likely prejudiced but, damn, the royalties from e-book downloads are truly less than a pittance. i'm talking charles dickens orphans scrounging for alms and gruel in the gutter with the offal level of payment.


Which is stupid, considering that the prices for the books are almost the same as the prices for new hardcovers. It's a ripoff, and they have all kinds of things to justify the cots, but they're all bullshiat, they're just ripping you off. I love my nook, but I refuse to pay $15 for a book that cost them nothing to produce. Writers already submit books in electronic formats, and all the publisher really has to foot the bill for is storage space. I'd like to hear how they justify ripping the authors off on top of it all...

23 Nov 2012 06:30 AM
Mikey1969     

gadian: I thought the charm of the Nook and what have you was that it didn't have a backlight to ruin your eyes. I don't care if I can read in the dark, I care if my eyes burn part way through chapter 1.


It's different lighting. It's not a bright white screen glaring at you. It's an edge lit screen, bright enough to make reading in low light nice, but not bright enough to kill your eyes. It also has this coo feature called on and off. The light is like when Timex came out with the Indiglo, and it's great. I have pretty light sensitive eyes, and the thing doesn't bother me at all.

23 Nov 2012 06:34 AM
BolloxReader     

NannyStatePark: Omahawg: Pocket Ninja: I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.

man, those e-books don't pay nothing for royalties. seriously. it ain't even worth anyone's time. it doesn't even average out a penny a word anymore.

that's what the downfall of civilization will be. when it don't even pay to tell folks about anything anymore.

fark those e-books. fark them all day and all night long.

Omahawg: werty789: Omahawg: Pocket Ninja: I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.

man, those e-books don't pay nothing for royalties. seriously. it ain't even worth anyone's time. it doesn't even average out a penny a word anymore.

that's what the downfall of civilization will be. when it don't even pay to tell folks about anything anymore.

fark those e-books. fark them all day and all night long.

Wrong. The industry average royalty for physical books is 7.5% of witch the author's agent gets a 15% cut. A self published ebook on Amazon will get a 70% royalty. When you do the math, an ebook that sells for $2.99 will get the author about the same royalty as a physical book that sells for $19.95. Selling an ebook for $1.99 will get an author more royalties than a $7.95 paperback.

then you have a better agent than me. I said fark it, went through lulu the last time, hustled them myself, and pocketed the straight up $15 per book sold and never said a da ...


I'm a guy but I'm thinking of getting into the erotic fiction market. I've read a couple of examples out of curiosity and it's something I'd have to work at a bit to get my style to market-ready status but hey, money is money and sex sells. Cheap sex sells even more.

23 Nov 2012 06:40 AM
Dansker     

Mikey1969: Omahawg: meh. i get a couple checks a year so what of it? i'm a notorious luddite though who has never owned a cell phone so i'm likely prejudiced but, damn, the royalties from e-book downloads are truly less than a pittance. i'm talking charles dickens orphans scrounging for alms and gruel in the gutter with the offal level of payment.

Which is stupid, considering that the prices for the books are almost the same as the prices for new hardcovers. It's a ripoff, and they have all kinds of things to justify the cots, but they're all bullshiat, they're just ripping you off. I love my nook, but I refuse to pay $15 for a book that cost them nothing to produce.


You obviously have a point; they save on printing and distribution. But sparring, editing, corrections, typesetting and marketing has a kind of cost. In extreme cases, the editor spends more time on the book than the author.

Writers already submit books in electronic formats, and all the publisher really has to foot the bill for is storage space.

Seriously, authors rarely submit manuscripts that are ready to print. They're as bad at spelling, punctuation and grammar as everybody else. And as bad at editing their own writing.

I'd like to hear how they justify ripping the authors off on top of it all...

I could be wrong, but I have noticed that novels I bought from Amazon seem to change price, depending on how far up the bestseller list they are: Low price to boost sales when nobody's buying, high when it's being ripped off the virtual shelves. If authors are getting percentages, only the ones nobody wants to read are being "ripped off".

23 Nov 2012 06:49 AM
NannyStatePark     

KrispyKritter: ladyfortuna: MadCat221: The opening on *thursday* crap has shown that Black Friday has jumped the shark. Retail corps have now sunk to new sociopathic lows defying the entire purpose of Thanksgiving, requiring their employees to forgo it to show up at a mandatory all-hands-on-deck event.

Agreed. I worked six years in retail (physical location, not including my business), plus two in the food court during high school. I have a little less respect for any of my friends who went shopping on Thursday. Partly because wtf, stay home with your own family, but more to the point: every single person who shops on Thanksgiving is contributing to the problem. Every single one of you. YOU are the reason (most) retail employees can now no longer have one of the three guaranteed days off of the year.

Anyone who spouts that bullshiat about 'they knew what they were signing up for'? Normally I abhor the wish of violence on innocent people, but I'm willing to make an exception in this case. You asked for it, so I hope you hit a deer or a patch of ice because you *had* to save $10.

It's not farking worth it to steal one of the few remaining holidays from your fellow man. Get over it.

reading this it seems like a combo sour grapes / the pot calling the kettle black. if i worked in retail six years i too would be bitter about it. but it would be self-directed animosity, not outward directed. reminds me of how some veterans love to think their personal decision to play G.I. Joe is a license to mouth loud at everyone about what a hero they are and how they did it for us. it is not customers who are unlocking that door in the morning. that door is being unlocked as per corporate, and they only give damn about bottom line, not your holiday. myself, i'll have nothing to do with thurs or fri sales. when i shop its online. the more people that shop online, the fewer employment opportunities will exist for brick & mortar retail. maybe in a few years all those unemployed retail workers will ...


I think you are both being ridiculous. "You suck for personally having snatched the turkey out of the hands of retail workers because you'd like to get your kids an IPad without blowing people in the parking lot because Dennys isn't paying great, so die in an icy crash with a deer antler embedded in your eyeball you utterly worthless excuse for a human being" FIFM

Retail work has many benefits that aren't being considered here. When you have a M-F 9-5 job you are limited by that in dealing with scheduling all of the business YOU have to do with people who also get off at 5. Having a weekday off during business hours is the best part of hourly work, and I've done my fair share of it. How many families can't get together on the specific day for how many other reasons? I respect people who disagree, but I think a lot of what is wrong with this culture stems from setting up this Hallmark mentality that nobody is ever going to measure up to anyway. I somewhat enjoy the iconoclasm of Grey Thursday, myself.

Krispy, I am so sorry your wife sucks so bad that your bitterness has seeped all the way to Texas, but if you are as miserable as you sound you gotta do something, man. You are Sgt. Buzzkill. I wish Fark could take up a collection to get you laid.

23 Nov 2012 06:51 AM
fuligin     
As I'll be working 8 hours at an Apple retail store, followed by 5 hours at an overpriced clothing store, I am really not getting a kick out of this.

23 Nov 2012 06:55 AM
ExperianScaresCthulhu     
Black Friday has become the ThunderDome version of the Windows 95 launch back in the 90s. Screw that. Shop online. Waaaaay better deals, and less likely to get trampled to death, shot or attacked by asshole shoppers.

/God Help And Bless The Worker Bees who are scheduled today
//they deserve combat pay, no lie

23 Nov 2012 06:58 AM
ExperianScaresCthulhu     

NannyStatePark: KrispyKritter: ladyfortuna: MadCat221: The opening on *thursday* crap has shown that Black Friday has jumped the shark. Retail corps have now sunk to new sociopathic lows defying the entire purpose of Thanksgiving, requiring their employees to forgo it to show up at a mandatory all-hands-on-deck event.

Agreed. I worked six years in retail (physical location, not including my business), plus two in the food court during high school. I have a little less respect for any of my friends who went shopping on Thursday. Partly because wtf, stay home with your own family, but more to the point: every single person who shops on Thanksgiving is contributing to the problem. Every single one of you. YOU are the reason (most) retail employees can now no longer have one of the three guaranteed days off of the year.

Anyone who spouts that bullshiat about 'they knew what they were signing up for'? Normally I abhor the wish of violence on innocent people, but I'm willing to make an exception in this case. You asked for it, so I hope you hit a deer or a patch of ice because you *had* to save $10.

It's not farking worth it to steal one of the few remaining holidays from your fellow man. Get over it.

reading this it seems like a combo sour grapes / the pot calling the kettle black. if i worked in retail six years i too would be bitter about it. but it would be self-directed animosity, not outward directed. reminds me of how some veterans love to think their personal decision to play G.I. Joe is a license to mouth loud at everyone about what a hero they are and how they did it for us. it is not customers who are unlocking that door in the morning. that door is being unlocked as per corporate, and they only give damn about bottom line, not your holiday. myself, i'll have nothing to do with thurs or fri sales. when i shop its online. the more people that shop online, the fewer employment opportunities will exist for brick & mortar retail. maybe in a few years all those unemployed reta ...


When you have a 9 to 5 job you have stability.

When you don't have a 9 to 5 job (and you don't work for yourself) you are screwed when it comes to scheduling babysitters, utility appointments, any kind of appointment, a second job to supplement your other income. Without a stable schedule, you're subject to the whims of HR and whomever is best at kissing the ass of HR.

Having a set schedule each week or month or year is much more preferable, for family persons, to the stress-inducing crap of retail's 'we changed our mind' bullshiat.

23 Nov 2012 07:03 AM
ExperianScaresCthulhu     

Mikey1969: Pocket Ninja: I was actually thinking about buying a Kindle Paperwhite until I logged on and saw that it wouldn't ship until December 21st. December 21st? What the fark is that? Jesus, I thought online shopping was supposed to be efficient. Christ, give me a chance to stand in line for 10 hours and knife some schmuck in the back to get it by the weekend. Way to fail, Amazon.

My wife ran into kinda the opposite with my Nook last year... She bought it on Black Friday because it was a great deal, and would have loved to wait until Christmas to give it to me(A few days due to shipping issues wouldn't have bothered me either), but then she found out that the no questions return policy was 14 days. An untried device(As in she had no idea if I'd like it as a reader) bought the day after Thanksgiving as a Christmas gift that had a 14 day return policy? Sure, she got it quick, but so did I... It's definitely one of the dumbest policies I've heard of, and nobody at the store was any help in this regard.

She could have held out, though, since I love it. The only reason that I'm ging to get a new one is because, like the author mentioned, the lighted ones are nice, and book lights suck. Still, I don't understand why these companies push Black Friday like this and then have asinine policies in place like B&N or idiotic expected ship dates like you ran into. It should be a requireent to use the term Black Friday, you have to at least act like you want your company to succeed.


That's because everyone at the store is a worker bee, with no power. Why put a worker bee in a position to be fired, in this economy, just so you can have a traditional 'open presents' Christmas? You got other presents. It's all good.

23 Nov 2012 07:06 AM
Mikey1969     

Dansker: Mikey1969: Omahawg: meh. i get a couple checks a year so what of it? i'm a notorious luddite though who has never owned a cell phone so i'm likely prejudiced but, damn, the royalties from e-book downloads are truly less than a pittance. i'm talking charles dickens orphans scrounging for alms and gruel in the gutter with the offal level of payment.

Which is stupid, considering that the prices for the books are almost the same as the prices for new hardcovers. It's a ripoff, and they have all kinds of things to justify the cots, but they're all bullshiat, they're just ripping you off. I love my nook, but I refuse to pay $15 for a book that cost them nothing to produce.

You obviously have a point; they save on printing and distribution. But sparring, editing, corrections, typesetting and marketing has a kind of cost. In extreme cases, the editor spends more time on the book than the author.

Writers already submit books in electronic formats, and all the publisher really has to foot the bill for is storage space.

Seriously, authors rarely submit manuscripts that are ready to print. They're as bad at spelling, punctuation and grammar as everybody else. And as bad at editing their own writing.

I'd like to hear how they justify ripping the authors off on top of it all...

I could be wrong, but I have noticed that novels I bought from Amazon seem to change price, depending on how far up the bestseller list they are: Low price to boost sales when nobody's buying, high when it's being ripped off the virtual shelves. If authors are getting percentages, only the ones nobody wants to read are being "ripped off".


OK, allow me to rewrite my statement, still the same end result.

Regardless of how writers actually submit their work, it still already has to be put into a digital format before being physically printed, they don't set type by hand, but the publishers sure want us to think they do for the ebooks...

23 Nov 2012 07:10 AM
CeroX     
For those of us returning back to work on Friday to make sure the damn world doesn't end for companies that, you know, are actually productive on days like this... Let me say:

fark
Black
Friday

To the old people clogging the streets and adding 15 extra minutes to my drive time
To the Middle-Class soccer mom driving the gargantuan SUV and making a U-Turn in the middle of the street, no even an intersection, the middle of the street in front of me
To the out of staters visiting family, and then going out for a good deal and not knowing where the F- you are trying to go and swapping lanes at 14 miles an hour
To the HORDES of F-ing rednecks with their gargantuan 4x4 trucks with no mufflers blasting their exhuast louder the moment it's their turn to pull into the Bass Pro shop

fark each and every single one you... I hope your cheap ass chinese products give you a horrible inoperable cancer that drags your death out for 2 or 3 years where you end up a withered husk, stinking of urine and bed sores, without dignity, and your family is praying for you to just die and get it over with, then just as you release your last breath, and you hear your own death rattle, the last sound you hear is your own bowels releasing and the last thing you see are your loved ones covering their noses from the smell...

23 Nov 2012 07:14 AM
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