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   Known in the 90's as "the Murder capital of the US" with almost 500 homicides annually, DC is on pace to finish with fewer than 100 this year for the first time since 1963. Lazy kids these days, got no gumption or stick-to-it-tiveness

23 Nov 2012 06:39 PM   |   2782 clicks   |   ABC
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brantgoose    [TotalFark]  
I blame Obama.

23 Nov 2012 12:08 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus    [TotalFark]  
Is it that or are they just missing a lot?

23 Nov 2012 02:53 PM
RedPhoenix122    [TotalFark]  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Is it that or are they just missing a lot?


They killed off everyone that needed killing.

23 Nov 2012 02:57 PM
Snarfangel    [TotalFark]  
Kids today are just lazy. Back in my day, if we wanted to shoot someone we had to go out with a real gun and get some exercise. Nowadays, they just play Grand Theft Auto or something. They will never get anywhere with their phony "virtual violence."

23 Nov 2012 02:58 PM
cman    [TotalFark]  
Any farker quick with charts? Curious to see what the 10 year trend was

23 Nov 2012 02:59 PM
TheBeastOfYuccaFlats    [TotalFark]  
I though Minneapolis was the "Murderapolis" in the 90s

23 Nov 2012 03:11 PM
dletter     

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Is it that or are they just missing a lot?


I actually had a semi-more serious related query. I would think in 20 years our capabilities in ER care would have improved, maybe even dramatically, in that people who were brought in and died 20 years ago are now able to recover.... and thusly, not reported as a homicide.

These reports sound pretty "cut and dry". This later on in the article seems to point to overall violent crime going way down though...

The department doesn't track non-fatal shootings, but the number of aggravated assaults reported to the FBI - which would encompass such crimes - dropped from 8,568 in 1992 to 2,949 last year.

23 Nov 2012 03:28 PM
gopher321    [TotalFark]  

brantgoose: I blame Obama Marion Barry.



FTFY

23 Nov 2012 03:29 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus    [TotalFark]  

dletter: I actually had a semi-more serious related query. I would think in 20 years our capabilities in ER care would have improved, maybe even dramatically, in that people who were brought in and died 20 years ago are now able to recover.... and thusly, not reported as a homicide.


It was a little flippant I'll admit.

23 Nov 2012 03:35 PM
Magorn    [TotalFark]  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Is it that or are they just missing a lot?


Maybe they should check the nails on all those boarded-up vacant houses.

Actually DC is nothing like it was in the early 1990's. I used to go to clubs around Half Street SE, and even for a 6'2 295 lb guy like me it felt like taking my life in my own hands sometimes. Now that the Ballpark went up nearby it's called "The Capitol Waterfront" and the area is all expensive condos and trendy wine bars

23 Nov 2012 03:56 PM
John Dewey     
I blame gun control.

23 Nov 2012 04:00 PM
Snarfangel    [TotalFark]  
Washington D.C. is getting too safe. This makes our politicians soft, putting our nation at risk.

We need to immediately move our nation's capital to East St. Louis, before the Russians or Chinese take advantage of our growing weakness.

23 Nov 2012 04:05 PM
Three Crooked Squirrels    [TotalFark]  
What's strange is that while the murder rate in DC saw a drastic fall, the murder rate in Chappaqua, NY skyrocketed. That has since dropped, but there is a whole new problem in Bedford Hills.

23 Nov 2012 04:14 PM
Lionel Mandrake    [TotalFark]  

gopher321: brantgoose: I blame Obama Marion Barry.


FTFY


I blame the biatch that set him up

23 Nov 2012 04:30 PM
brantgoose    [TotalFark]  

cman: Any farker quick with charts? Curious to see what the 10 year trend was


This is the best I can do in the way of a chart:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/share/cli p?f=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8 4 27ebtcqvgvsgo

A number of factors are involved in dropping violent crime rates (few of them specific to Washington, DC):

1) demographics--the population is aging and thus becoming less criminal--there are fewer young people and young men between 16 and 25 commit most violent crimes;

2) African American demographics--despite everything, the life expectancy of black males has increased--faster perhaps than among other demographic groups--this underscores the effects of an aging and thus more responsible population. With black males living longer, more youths have father figures if not fathers;

3) Crime fighting has returned to community based crime fighting and reinforcement of positive community living conditions. Cops are more often on the street, and with fewer violent crimes, have more time to patrol, which can produce a small positive feedback.

4) Crack is old hat. Drug use has declined somewhat, and the effects of the new drug may simply have worn off, or the crackheads have found treatment and support.

5) The economic situation of blacks improved a certain amount over the decades because of or despite various Presidential and Congressional efforts.

6) Despite spawning reverse racial profiling by banks and rip-off artists of that ilk (which used to refuse loans in certain neighbourhoods to certain people rather than targetting them with surprise balloon payments on the back end), and major property loses by the naive and ill-informed, the government policies which favoured home-ownership may have created a greater investment and stability in communities where home-ownership increased greatly before 2007.

7) There are cellphones with cameras every where. It is harder to commit a crime without somebody capturing your image in pixels. Cellphones can be used not only to capture criminals, but to protest against poor maintenance, horrible housing, potholes--anything that can be shown in a photograph posted to Facebook or elsewhere. This makes it harder for landlords, authorities, city workers and all sorts of other people to slack off in their duties, which means a cleaner, safer, better-maintained community with higher property values, a better tax-base and ultimately a better place to live.

8) There may be many, many more obsucre or local factors, but these are common to every place in America, almost, and even much of the rest of the world.

23 Nov 2012 04:54 PM
meow said the dog    [TotalFark]  
Did they all do the moving to Detroit?

23 Nov 2012 04:57 PM
brantgoose    [TotalFark]  

Lionel Mandrake: gopher321: brantgoose: I blame Obama Marion Barry.


FTFY

I blame the biatch that set him up


I think maybe you just might be missing the irony implied in blaming Obama for a major decline in murders in Washington, DC, rather than congratulating him on the same.

23 Nov 2012 04:58 PM
Thelyphthoric     
Murder is down because they're all stuck in one of those stupid traffic circles with lights.

23 Nov 2012 05:04 PM
simplicimus     
I think the K Street people scared the murderers into moving out.

23 Nov 2012 06:12 PM
Arthur Jumbles     
FTFA: And better medical care, honed through lessons learned in Iraq and Afghanistan, means patients who were once stabilized at the scene are more likely to be taken directly to the hospital, where they have access to improved blood transfusion processes.

So.... people are still being shot but our medical technology has advanced to the point that fewer people die of gun shot wounds anymore. Win?

23 Nov 2012 06:15 PM
Gyrfalcon     
There's still plenty of time.

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23 Nov 2012 06:41 PM
saber_saw25     

meow said the dog: Did they all do the moving to Detroit?


A lot moved to PG County.

23 Nov 2012 06:42 PM
Indubitably     
No, it's just because we live in a highly controlled state currently, and with everyone "looking for bad guys," who's minding the hen-house? Release the hounds!

23 Nov 2012 06:44 PM
Arkanaut    [TotalFark]  

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: And better medical care, honed through lessons learned in Iraq and Afghanistan, means patients who were once stabilized at the scene are more likely to be taken directly to the hospital, where they have access to improved blood transfusion processes.

So.... people are still being shot but our medical technology has advanced to the point that fewer people die of gun shot wounds anymore. Win?


Maybe! If the guy who got shot thinks to himself "Man, I'd rather never go through that again."

//I'm picturing the classic "drug deal gone wrong" situation.

23 Nov 2012 06:44 PM
Bit'O'Gristle     

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Is it that or are they just missing a lot?


/they always miss the target they are shooting at. Gang members aren't known for fire discipline. More along the lines of "turn my gun sideways so i can't use the sights and spray and pray." Generally ending up shooting an innocent bystander,

23 Nov 2012 06:44 PM
Jekylman     
I thought the murder capital was Santa Carla.

23 Nov 2012 06:45 PM
fusillade762    [TotalFark]  

cman: Any farker quick with charts? Curious to see what the 10 year trend was


All I could find with a quick GIS.

www.thegatewaypundit.comView Full Size

23 Nov 2012 06:45 PM
Arkanaut    [TotalFark]  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I though Minneapolis was the "Murderapolis" in the 90s


I used to hear Gary, IN associated with the "Murder Capital" title a lot back then.

23 Nov 2012 06:45 PM
twiztedjustin     
Gee I hope they don't make gun ownership less restrictive, then they would have 500 murders a day!

Oh, wait...

23 Nov 2012 06:47 PM
StashMonster     
suicide, on the other hand, is up ...

23 Nov 2012 06:47 PM
noneyourbase     
Spiffy is the right tag. The District has come a long way since the murder boom of the nineties and I'm proud of it.

23 Nov 2012 06:48 PM
Indubitably     
To statisticate

23 Nov 2012 06:49 PM
vabeard     
They just spread it out into the suburbs.

23 Nov 2012 06:50 PM
BATMANATEE     
Clearly, changing the name of the basketball team has had the desired effect.

23 Nov 2012 06:51 PM
StreetlightInTheGhetto     

Magorn: Now that the Ballpark went up nearby it's called "The Capitol Waterfront" and the area is all expensive condos and trendy wine bars




gentrification!

23 Nov 2012 06:52 PM
Tat'dGreaser     
Crack isn't as big as it was and they just raised the rent and forced the violence to outside areas. Big deal. Big cities have big crime rates, that will never change.

23 Nov 2012 06:52 PM
Shyla     
It's amazing what can be accomplished when you have a mayor that is more interested in fighting crime than smoking crack.

23 Nov 2012 06:53 PM
Strongbeerrules     
Outsourced to China?

23 Nov 2012 06:55 PM
Flying Lasagna Monster     

fusillade762: All I could find with a quick GIS.


That chart seems to correlate quite nicely with the introduction of crack.

23 Nov 2012 06:56 PM
eagles95     

brantgoose: I blame Obama.


Truly history's greatest monster.....but seriously Chicago has to be winning this contest right?

23 Nov 2012 06:57 PM
GORDON     
I bet a dollar that DC police changed the criteria for how they define "murder."

23 Nov 2012 06:57 PM
eagles95     

GORDON: I bet a dollar that DC police changed the criteria for how they define "murder."


He accidently walked in front of a hail of bullets?

23 Nov 2012 06:58 PM
HighZoolander     
In other news, the number of suicides are up by nearly 500 per year since the 90s.

23 Nov 2012 06:59 PM
OnlyM3     
Guns made legal.... violent crime drops.

It's almost like someone predicted it...
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23 Nov 2012 06:59 PM
Silly Jesus     
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23 Nov 2012 07:00 PM
Sin_City_Superhero    [TotalFark]  

Jekylman: I thought the murder capital was Santa Carla.


Is is...

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23 Nov 2012 07:00 PM
Mad Tea Party     
Parts of SE DC are genuinely getting better than they were in the 90s.

23 Nov 2012 07:00 PM
Dimensio    [TotalFark]  

fusillade762: cman: Any farker quick with charts? Curious to see what the 10 year trend was

All I could find with a quick GIS.

[www.thegatewaypundit.com image 684x459]


Omitted from your graph is the fact that the District of Columbia imposed strict regulations upon civilian handgun ownership in 2008, following a landmark Supreme Court ruling. As such, the lowered homicide rate is clearly a demonstration that these strict regulations work to keep crime low.

23 Nov 2012 07:02 PM
Indubitably     
Detectors: what are you detecting?

23 Nov 2012 07:03 PM
factoryconnection    [TotalFark]  

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: And better medical care, honed through lessons learned in Iraq and Afghanistan, means patients who were once stabilized at the scene are more likely to be taken directly to the hospital, where they have access to improved blood transfusion processes.

So.... people are still being shot but our medical technology has advanced to the point that fewer people die of gun shot wounds anymore. Win?


We are better at saving victims, however the aggravated assault rate is down by a factor of 3 since its peak in the 90s. So sure, some of those aren't going to the police after getting sewn up, but that is a massive decline that points to far fewer shooting victims. I've seen the MPD respond in under a minute when I've reported gunshots being fired in NW DC.

23 Nov 2012 07:03 PM
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