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  • As another Native American Heritage Month comes to an end, I have to stop and ask, did anybody other than Native folks even know it was taking place?

    Nope.

  • Does there come a point where we can borrow from other cultures simply for "the look"? At what point does it become insulting?

  • If I want to pretend to run a convenience store I can.

  • Barfmaker: Does there come a point where we can borrow from other cultures simply for "the look"? At what point does it become insulting?


    Right around the point where reason and logic are taken out of the equation.

    Mugato: If I want to pretend to run a convenience store I can.


    Feather not dot.

  • FriarReb98: Barfmaker: Does there come a point where we can borrow from other cultures simply for "the look"? At what point does it become insulting?

    Right around the point where reason and logic are taken out of the equation.



    That's not really helpful.

  • Barfmaker: Does there come a point where we can borrow from other cultures simply for "the look"? At what point does it become insulting?


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  • Barfmaker: That's not really helpful.


    But it is truthful. Unless it's a comedy, it's most likely that a culture's imagery is being used to convey a mood or style that they look up to. And if it's a comedy, it's a farking joke and people like She Who Has Stick Up Her Butt That Has Stick Up Its Butt should just get over it.

    \Political Correctness is killing comedy slowly but surely, and comedy should fight back.
    \\and for the record, I'm part Mikmaq and I went to a school where the mascot is an Indian.

  • FriarReb98: And if it's a comedy, it's a farking joke and people like She Who Has Stick Up Her Butt That Has Stick Up Its Butt should just get over it.


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  • You mean the younger generation won't have the fun of playing Cowboys and Casinos?

  • Snarfangel: You mean the younger generation won't have the fun of playing Cowboys and Casinos?


    that reminded me...

    It is still okay to play Cowboys and Redskins...

  • FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
    In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.

     
    I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.

  • dugitman: FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
    In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.
     
    I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.


    I was taught that the NA cultures were matrilineal. Maybe the violence is a result of placing a group of people in a human petting zoo?

  • Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

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  • Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.


    Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

  • FriarReb98: Mikmaq


    um, paddwhack?

    /does this elevator go straight to hell, or do I have to switch in the lobby?

  • Babwa Wawa: FriarReb98: Mikmaq

    um, paddwhack?

    /does this elevator go straight to hell, or do I have to switch in the lobby?


    You have screwed the pooch.

  • Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

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    Celebration of ones own heritage is not what's at issue, and no one has a problem with it. What they have a problem with are people doing the equivalent of wearing blackface. Not cool.

  • RexTalionis: Their heritage. Not somebody else's.


    Rincewind53: Celebration of ones own heritage is not what's at issue


    Yeah, everyone that was at Wurstfest dressed up drinking beer and shoveling sausages and schnitzels into their faces last month were German. My bad.

  • Thanksgiving is some Native Americans' 'Day of Mourning'

    Not around here.

    /but Columbus day is not very celebrated
    //it's called Piomingo Day in my area.

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    Tim Burton didn't even dress him

  • RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

    Their heritage. Not somebody else's.


    Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.

  • As another Native American Heritage Month comes to an end, I have to stop and ask, did anybody other than Native folks even know it was taking place?

    Does anyone care about these dedicated months they don't get paid vacation for? No.

    Get your people together, organize a REAL holiday, and lobby for some time off work. Preferably slave to a Friday so it's a long weekend kickoff every time.

    The Native American peoples were on of the foundations of our country. America is more like the Five Nations than England in spirit. We should learn more about the Iroquois. Out west, the Sioux, Comanche, and the rest were instrumental in shaping the country and culture as well. And the languages could be preserved much better if we could get some reason to start using them again. A new national holiday would spark at least some interest, if not generate cash flow, etc.

  • WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

    Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

    Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.


    And the traditional Irish green bowler hat, fake red beard, and green dyed beer isn't in the least bit offensive. It's not like the Irish are a proud people who've been oppressed by English speakers in the past or anything.

  • dugitman: FTFA: According to congressional findings of the  2010 Tribal Law & Order Act    , 34% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped; 39% will be subjected to domestic violence. That is more than twice the national average. In addition, the 2008 study by the  National Institute of Justice suggests that on some reservations, Native women are murdered at more than 10 times the rate of their non-native counterparts.
    In the past year, Native advocacy leaders have made a push to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act in Congress. The law would empower tribes for the first time to seek justice against non-Indian offenders.
     
    I know next to nothing about this subject, but it seems counterintuitive that violence against NA women is being overwhelmingly committed by non-NA men. Is her point that: fetishizing the NA image in entertainment has spilled over onto the reservations and created a misogynistic environment in the NA community? Because I thought that environment has been there all along.


    I heard a report on this issue. There's something of a loophole that gets created when the offenders are non-Indian (conflicting legal sovereignties, etc.), so people are working to close that gap.

  • So this thread has gone all Indian vs. Irish before hitting the main?
    I don't even care for basketball.

  • Dancin_In_Anson: RexTalionis: Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

    Rincewind53: Celebration of ones own heritage is not what's at issue

    Yeah, everyone that was at Wurstfest dressed up drinking beer and shoveling sausages and schnitzels into their faces last month were German. My bad.


    1) You were the one said "celebrating their heritage." Stick to your fact pattern, please.

    2) How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?

  • WorldCitizen: RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

    Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

    Yes, because everyone dressing up for St. Patrick's Day is of Irish heritage.


    Is wearing a green polo somehow Irish now?

  • RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: RexTalionis: Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

    Rincewind53: Celebration of ones own heritage is not what's at issue

    Yeah, everyone that was at Wurstfest dressed up drinking beer and shoveling sausages and schnitzels into their faces last month were German. My bad.

    1) You were the one said "celebrating their heritage." Stick to your fact pattern, please.

    2) How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?


    Did someone mention exploiting and co-opting a culture for financial and social benefits?

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  • RexTalionis: How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?


    Octoberfest is nothing if not exploitation for financial gain. Do you have any idea how much German beers run for the liter!?

  • RexTalionis: 1) You were the one said "celebrating their heritage." Stick to your fact pattern, please.


    Pardon me. Some people think it's fine to celebrate a heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

    Better?

    RexTalionis: 2) How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?


    How can you be such a farking tightass that you can't recognize the difference between having fun and being a farking tightass? Oh wait...you're a victim, aren't you?

  • FirstNationalBastard: Did someone mention exploiting and co-opting a culture for financial and social benefits?


    Okay. I'll admit that I snickered at this.

  • RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: RexTalionis: Their heritage. Not somebody else's.

    Rincewind53: Celebration of ones own heritage is not what's at issue

    Yeah, everyone that was at Wurstfest dressed up drinking beer and shoveling sausages and schnitzels into their faces last month were German. My bad.

    1) You were the one said "celebrating their heritage." Stick to your fact pattern, please.

    2) How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?


    DIA is ALWAYS obtuse. He will never answer your questions. I don't know what it is, but he is simple unable to actually honestly answer a simple question. He always has to slightly change the topic to one that he likes and get all butthurt and self-righteous over very little.

    Basically, it's like a high-functioning 4 year old running around.

  • Dancin_In_Anson: How can you be such a farking tightass that you can't recognize the difference between having fun and being a farking tightass? Oh wait...you're a victim, aren't you?


    Well, so we've established that you are obtuse. And you sound awfully butthurt about it in the process.

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  • Dancin_In_Anson: RexTalionis: 1) You were the one said "celebrating their heritage." Stick to your fact pattern, please.

    Pardon me. Some people think it's fine to celebrate a heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

    Better?

    RexTalionis: 2) How can you be so obtuse that you can't recognize the difference between celebrating a culture respectfully and exploiting and co-opting one for financial and social benefits?

    How can you be such a farking tightass that you can't recognize the difference between having fun and being a farking tightass? Oh wait...you're a victim, aren't you?


    I think one of the big differences is Oktoberfest celebrates the "fun" parts of German culture (drinking, food, and parties). Most of the Native American things I've seen make fun of their religion, paint the Native Americans as uneducated drunks, and celebrate their genocide.

    I doubt many Jewish people would think it was funny if the Germans all got together for a fest mocking their religion. They could call it Holofest.

  • What are they gonna do about it, declare war? Worked out well for them last time.

  • Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.


    You don't see him wearing a Nazi uniform, do you?

    People want to pick the parts of their heritage they celebrate.

  • As another Native American Heritage Month comes to an end, I have to stop and ask, did anybody other than Native folks even know it was taking place?

    Yes, but like every other month dedicated to certain issues...

    We didn't care.

    It's not unlike certain holidays. Most people consider Halloween to be a silly holiday where we give candy to children. Some people place some highly personal significance on it... Do you think they care what you think?

  • GAT_00: DIA is ALWAYS obtuse. He will never answer your questions. I don't know what it is, but he is simple unable to actually honestly answer a simple question. He always has to slightly change the topic to one that he likes and get all butthurt and self-righteous over very little.


    Awwww...Whatsamatta, Pumpkin. No Muppet thread for you to whine in?

    RexTalionis: Well, so we've established that you are obtuse. And you sound awfully butthurt about it in the process.


    I'm not the one complaining about people dressing up in costumes that are of other cultures. Indeed I'm the one that thinks it can be fun..and is most of the time. But tell me again that makes me "obtuse" and "butthurt".

    Ryan2065: I think one of the big differences is Oktoberfest celebrates the "fun" parts of German culture (drinking, food, and parties). Most of the Native American things I've seen make fun of their religion, paint the Native Americans as uneducated drunks, and celebrate their genocide.


    Funny you say that. McMurray University was threatened with sanctions by the NCAA unless they dropped their Indian mascot even though the history of the school is steeped in American Indian history. Must have been over my butthurt or something right?

  • But little recognition has been paid to the original inhabitants who represent 1% of the U.S. population.

    Gee, I wonder why.

  • Mugato: If I want to pretend to run a convenience store I can.


    The Pakistanis run the convenience stores, the Indians run the hotels. Get your stereotypes adjusted.

  • Mugato: Don't tell him that

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    That's his usual 'runnin' down to the 7/11' look

  • Dancin_In_Anson: But tell me again that makes me "obtuse" and "butthurt".


    Dancin_In_Anson: How can you be such a farking tightass that you can't recognize the difference between having fun and being a farking tightass? Oh wait...you're a victim, aren't you?


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    Go have a bit of a cry, why don'tcha?

  • Krieghund: Dancin_In_Anson: Some people think it's fine to celebrate their heritage. And believe it or not they have a lot of fun with it. Y'all should get yourself some fun.

    You don't see him wearing a Nazi uniform, do you?

    People want to pick the parts of their heritage they celebrate.


    Prince Harry tried to celebrate his heritage, but people mocked him for it.

  • RexTalionis: Dancin_In_Anson: How can you be such a farking tightass that you can't recognize the difference between having fun and being a farking tightass? Oh wait...you're a victim, aren't you?

    Well, so we've established that you are obtuse. And you sound awfully butthurt about it in the process.

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  • Damn native Americans are worse at assimilating into society than the nubians.

    Just look at the reservations.

    /I keed?

  • People all over the world stick up for their own kind i.e. race. It's no big deal and is completely acceptable on all counts unless you are white. Then you are clearly a bigot, racist, close minded hater, etc.

    /sorta think the squaw has a valid point

  • Dancin_In_Anson:

    Funny you say that. McMurray University was threatened with sanctions by the NCAA unless they dropped their Indian mascot even though the history of the school is steeped in American Indian history. Must have been over my butthurt or something right?


    No it isn't it's a Methodist Univ. founded in 1923.

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