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OregonVet    [TotalFark]  
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Why does the black kid have to sit by himself?

24 Nov 2012 11:54 AM
Ennuipoet     
I'm gonna say it: I never like Peanuts, not even as a kid. I never laughed and Charlie Brown seemed like a whiny biatch.

And the Great Pumpkin? WTF?

You may all now commence the Internet Stoning of the Heretic.

24 Nov 2012 11:56 AM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener     

Ennuipoet: I'm gonna say it: I never like Peanuts, not even as a kid. I never laughed and Charlie Brown seemed like a whiny biatch.

And the Great Pumpkin? WTF?

You may all now commence the Internet Stoning of the Heretic.



I didn't submit this, but I'm a huge lifelong Charles Schulz fan, and I will do no such Internet Stoning of the Heretic.

Me, I love the hell out of the newspaper strips and the TV specials and what-have-ya.

Opinions vary, and I respect yours.

24 Nov 2012 12:13 PM
Ennuipoet     

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Opinions vary, and I respect yours.


That's because you sir, are a gentleman.

I don't know if I could be so genteel if someone said the same thing about Calvin and Hobbes.

But then, I don't think anyone in the Universe dislikes Mr. Watterson.

24 Nov 2012 12:47 PM
make me some tea    [TotalFark]  
Oh.

Oh wow.

I loved Peanuts as a kid, especially the ones from the '60s.

24 Nov 2012 12:51 PM
OtherLittleGuy     

OregonVet: Why does the black kid have to sit by himself?


And when did Snoopy make the desserts? The rest of the meal was on the quick.

/and Claire Thomas wasn't born yet

24 Nov 2012 12:53 PM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener     

Ennuipoet: That's because you sir, are a gentleman.


*tips hat*

Likewise, mammajamma.


Ennuipoet: I don't know if I could be so genteel if someone said the same thing about Calvin and Hobbes.

But then, I don't think anyone in the Universe dislikes Mr. Watterson.


Just by the Law of Averages (TM), there has to be somebody (or somebodies) who don't like Calvin & Hobbes or The Far Side.

This concept terrifies me, as I love both these strips.

There's only one newspaper comic strip that I adamantly hate, and that's Zits. I would call it High School Cathy, but that would be a gross disservice to Cathy.


make me some tea: Oh.

Oh wow.

I loved Peanuts as a kid, especially the ones from the '60s.


Same here!

The early 50s ones were interesting, since Schulz did a lot more with angles and neighborhood details back then. Then again, it was when the strip was still finding its feet, so that would explain it.

24 Nov 2012 12:54 PM
make me some tea    [TotalFark]  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The early 50s ones were interesting, since Schulz did a lot more with angles and neighborhood details back then. Then again, it was when the strip was still finding its feet, so that would explain it.


I've never seen the ones from the 50s. Interesting. I also don't even get the joke in a lot of them.

24 Nov 2012 01:02 PM
Winterlight    [TotalFark]  

Ennuipoet: But then, I don't think anyone in the Universe dislikes Mr. Watterson.


My mother. Said it reminded her way too much of me when I was Calvin's age.
 
/ which explains so much

24 Nov 2012 01:04 PM
Lionel Mandrake    [TotalFark]  
Spoiler Alert
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Charlie Brown never gets to nail the Little Red-Haired Girl

24 Nov 2012 01:07 PM
albert71292    [TotalFark]  
And yet the same site reruns the same two or three storylines of "Lil' Abner" over and over and over from the over 40 year history of the strip.

24 Nov 2012 01:25 PM
Darth_Lukecash    [TotalFark]  

Ennuipoet: I'm gonna say it: I never like Peanuts, not even as a kid. I never laughed and Charlie Brown seemed like a whiny biatch.

And the Great Pumpkin? WTF?

You may all now commence the Internet Stoning of the Heretic.


You should give them a second try. Especially since Shultz brilliantly satires American society in whic he lived. He later moved on to the sly humor of the characters and played with the conventions of comic strip form.

There were a few misfires in the earlier strips. Charlie Brown was also a prankster. Snoopy walked on all fours. Lucy was an innocent toddler. What was amazing is how many characters started out young and then aged to become Charlie Browns contemporary. While the original cast: Shermy, Violet, and the other chick..just dissapeared into the background

24 Nov 2012 01:33 PM
timharrod    [TotalFark]  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Just by the Law of Averages (TM), there has to be somebody (or somebodies) who don't like Calvin & Hobbes or The Far Side.


I actually know a guy- an intelligent, creative guy who has illustrating and comedy experience- who sniffs that C&H is just a retread of Winsor McCay's work.

I think this may be his one indulgence in kneejerk contrarianism. I mean, after a certain number of decades, you're not stealing. You're bringing it back.

24 Nov 2012 01:55 PM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener     

timharrod: I actually know a guy- an intelligent, creative guy who has illustrating and comedy experience- who sniffs that C&H is just a retread of Winsor McCay's work.


I think that's more than a tad unfair, and I say that as someone who thought that the Little Nemo cartoons were interesting.


timharrod: I think this may be his one indulgence in kneejerk contrarianism. I mean, after a certain number of decades, you're not stealing. You're bringing it back.


Precisely.

I'm just not seeing legitimate plagiarism claims in such instances.

24 Nov 2012 01:58 PM
Somacandra    [TotalFark]  
I had several of the dime-store style compilation booklets published in the 1960s when I was growing up. One of my favorite storylines was always the Linus-Truffles romance with Sally getting extremely jealous.

24 Nov 2012 02:02 PM
Somacandra    [TotalFark]  
We always have the remastered Thanksgiving, Christmas and Halloween DVD's around---the kids and I both like them. I like the Most Offensive Video NSFW versions too, but obviously not with the kids around.

24 Nov 2012 02:03 PM
Somacandra    [TotalFark]  

Ennuipoet: And the Great Pumpkin? WTF?


"We are obviously separated by denominational differences."

24 Nov 2012 02:04 PM
Pud    [TotalFark]  

Lionel Mandrake: Spoiler Alert
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Charlie Brown never gets to nail the Little Red-Haired Girl


The rumor was that's because she was doing Marcie.

24 Nov 2012 02:14 PM
GGracie     
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October 9, 1950
Helping to promote the belief that all women, at any age, are money grubbing, selfish biatches.

Damn you Charles Schultz!

24 Nov 2012 03:15 PM
Peter von Nostrand    [TotalFark]  

Ennuipoet: I'm gonna say it: I never like Peanuts, not even as a kid. I never laughed and Charlie Brown seemed like a whiny biatch.

And the Great Pumpkin? WTF?

You may all now commence the Internet Stoning of the Heretic.


Other than Snoopy, I find Peanuts insufferable

24 Nov 2012 03:37 PM
A Shambling Mound     
Every Peanuts strip ever?

So, like, 15 minutes of total enjoyment if you can stand sifting through the chaff for a week?

Neat.

24 Nov 2012 03:39 PM
tzzhc4     

Ennuipoet: I'm gonna say it: I never like Peanuts, not even as a kid. I never laughed and Charlie Brown seemed like a whiny biatch.

And the Great Pumpkin? WTF?

You may all now commence the Internet Stoning of the Heretic.


Came to say the same thing!

24 Nov 2012 03:40 PM
abb3w    [TotalFark]  
Good grief....

24 Nov 2012 03:41 PM
Friend_Computer     

Lionel Mandrake: Spoiler Alert
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Charlie Brown never gets to nail the Little Red-Haired Girl


Not if you're familiar with Achewood:

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24 Nov 2012 03:47 PM
skwerl     
As a kid I always read the Peanuts strips in the paper, every day without fail. It wasn't until I was older that I recognized what a few others here have said; they simply are not funny. All the 'humor' is of the insulting type where you laugh at the misfortune of others. A bunch of spiteful little brats is all.

24 Nov 2012 03:48 PM
DaWormyPimpsta     
Wake me when the Bloom County collection get's released for free...

24 Nov 2012 03:49 PM
orbister     
Once you've read the one with the football being pulled away, the one with the kite caught in the trees, the one with the psychiatrist's stall, the one with the pumpkin, the one with the Red Baron, the one with Woodstock as a cub scout and the one with the little red haired girl, why would you want to read another thousand versions of each one?

24 Nov 2012 03:50 PM
DaWormyPimpsta     
"get's"?!? geez, that was horribled grammar

24 Nov 2012 03:50 PM
LDM90     
I like the strip. The tv shows suck though. Put me to sleep with that easy listening jazz.

24 Nov 2012 03:55 PM
jtown     

OregonVet: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
Why does the black kid have to sit by himself?


It was a different time, you see.

24 Nov 2012 03:58 PM
rjakobi     

Ennuipoet: I'm gonna say it: I never like Peanuts, not even as a kid. I never laughed and Charlie Brown seemed like a whiny biatch.

And the Great Pumpkin? WTF?

You may all now commence the Internet Stoning of the Heretic.


Read the ones from the Fifties. Charlie Brown was less emo then.

24 Nov 2012 03:59 PM
libranoelrose    [TotalFark]  

GGracie: October 9, 1950
Helping to promote the belief that all women, at any age, are money grubbing, selfish biatches.

Damn you Charles Schultz!


They're not?

24 Nov 2012 04:00 PM
brantgoose    [TotalFark]  

OregonVet: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
Why does the black kid have to sit by himself?


10 Possible Reasons Why the Black Kid Has to Sit By Himself

10. Because Segregation was still a fond memory in the South in the 1960s
09. Because the black kid always arrives late
08. Because the black kid is not one of the main characters
07. The Black Kid? What are you a racist? He has a name, you know! (His name is Roosevelt. Say it!)
06. The Dog switched placemarks and took his chair.
05. He's a gate crasher.
04. He's the guest of honor.
03. He smells funny.
02. He has cooties from kissing girls before natural girl cootie-immunity starts up at puberty.

And the Number One Possible Reason He Sits Alone is:

01. The cartoon is an allusion to a Renaissance painting of the Last Supper in which Judas was the only disciple seated on the opposite side of the table to symbolize his betrayal of Christ and suicide.

24 Nov 2012 04:01 PM
geoduck42     

Ennuipoet: But then, I don't think anyone in the Universe dislikes Mr. Watterson.


What the heck, I'll admit it: while the art is brilliant and the dialogue witty, Calvin's antics sometimes got on my nerves.

24 Nov 2012 04:01 PM
T.M.S.     

Ennuipoet: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Opinions vary, and I respect yours.

That's because you sir, are a gentleman.

I don't know if I could be so genteel if someone said the same thing about Calvin and Hobbes.

But then, I don't think anyone in the Universe dislikes Mr. Watterson.


I imagine the people who make t-shirts and toys despise him.

24 Nov 2012 04:01 PM
MikeMc     
The later Peanuts were crap. Now some of the early/mid run stuff is good. And surprisingly dark (Schulz had some major depression issues IIRC).

24 Nov 2012 04:02 PM
brantgoose    [TotalFark]  
Personally I'm wondering why there are pink parfaits scattered all over the table before they have even undone their napkins and put them on their laps.

Are they just filling empty space?

Why?

24 Nov 2012 04:03 PM
cryinoutloud     
I never really liked Peanuts, even when I was a kid. I read it every week, even the books of Peanuts cartoons, but they never really did anything for me. And that whole football thing.....well, I kind of liked Snoopy and the Red Baron. I think I had a poster of that on my wall.

And don't stone me, stone the other guy who said it before me. I'm just a copycat.

/and to this day, I still like dogs better than people.

24 Nov 2012 04:06 PM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener     

MikeMc: The later Peanuts were crap. Now some of the early/mid run stuff is good. And surprisingly dark (Schulz had some major depression issues IIRC).


You recall correctly.

A recurring element in Schulz's work is Charlie Brown's depression about being sent away to camp. This most likely mirrors the fact that Schulz left to fight in World War II just days after his mother succumbed to cancer.

24 Nov 2012 04:08 PM
brantgoose    [TotalFark]  
Notice that Roosevelt is also sitting on the lawn chair while the other kids have old-timey kitchen chairs ($3.99 each in Sears Roebuck, 1909). I am guessing that he is low man on the totem pole and that the kid with her back to the audience is a seat-filler.

Charles Swartz was probably just being lazy. He drew several main characters on one side and then realized that looks stupid and contrived as this isn't the Middle Ages, so he balanced them off with one kid on the other side, who was Roosevelt, because you need at least one token non white-kid, even in the 1960s, to represent the growing liberalism, diversity, and tolerance of suburban America.

24 Nov 2012 04:09 PM
timharrod    [TotalFark]  

brantgoose: 07. The Black Kid? What are you a racist? He has a name, you know! (His name is Roosevelt. Say it!)


Can't tell if trolling or racist or Peanuts really is unmemorable.

24 Nov 2012 04:12 PM
LockeOak     

make me some tea: I also don't even get the joke in a lot of them.


Life sucks, each day is a new disappointment and we're all going to die? That seems to be the joke in most of them.

24 Nov 2012 04:15 PM
LockeOak     

LockeOak: make me some tea: I also don't even get the joke in a lot of them.

Life sucks, each day is a new disappointment and we're all going to die? That seems to be the joke in most of them.


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Read them as desperate scribblings from a depressive (as Schulz was) and they're a bit more interesting.

24 Nov 2012 04:18 PM
Flakeloaf     

brantgoose: 07. The Black Kid? What are you a racist? He has a name, you know! (His name is Roosevelt. Say it!)


I hear you saying it, with his first name first and his second name second.

24 Nov 2012 04:25 PM
Metaluna Mutant     
Peanuts were great from the 50s to the early 70s. Here's a quick guide as to why:

Charlie Brown is the star of the 50s strips and he's basically Schulz himself, insecure, put upon but struggling to make it. All Schulz personal angst, lurking anxiety and deep seated insecurity about the whole world is on the page - and no other strip at the time was so revolutionary, personal and yet minimalistic.

In the 60s, Lucy (who had been in the strip since the 50s but wasnt a major character) replaces CB as the actual star of the strip - serving as perpetual antagonist to CB and everyone else over and over. This is right as Schulz was becoming a real success with the strip but feeling increasingly controlled and put upon by his wife. In those 2 decades Snoopy was intermittently seen - just another side character.

At the end of the decade, Schulz divorced his wife, and was left with both his complete freedom and his increasing wealth from the strip. He was allowed to do anything he wanted, was finally a major media player and no one could control him or tell him what to do. At this time Snoopy becomes the star of the strip - the Red Baron, Snoopys fantasies etc. Snoopy replaced Charlie Brown as Schulz alter ego in the strip. All the other characters serve Snoopy as foils.

By the mid and late 70s Schulz now has no stress in his life and he's rich. He merchandises the hell out of the strip. THAT is when his stories turn to junk, and what most people remember about how lame Peanuts was - and they're right. He had no inner turmoil, stress or anxiety to turn into stories.

I love Peanuts and think Schulz was one of the great cartoonists of the 20th century - but his work after the mid 70s is basically sterile.

24 Nov 2012 04:29 PM
PunkTiger     
My favourite Lucy moment...
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/Best Fark picture mispost, evar!

24 Nov 2012 04:33 PM
brantgoose    [TotalFark]  
The artist who drew Bloom County (Outland, and Opus), Berkeley Breathèd, caught some flack from his peers for saying that Charles Schultz should have retired at his peak and not dragged the cartoon strip to the bitter end like so many cartoonists do.

After the awards show where he spoke up, he confesses (in the complete Opus collection) Mrs. Schultz came up to him:

To the NCS audience, I asked out loud how wonderful and brave it would have been for Sparky to have stepped off the dance floor when his feet were still nimbel and dazzling.

Little did I know that somebody besides poorly coiffed and undersexed cartoonists were in the audience that night.

To my horror, Jeannie Schultz approached me and put a hand on my arm. She squeezed gently, introduced herself and said "You need to understand, Berkley, Sparky kept drawing the strip because he couldn't have lived without it."

Mrs Schultz seems to be a wise and good woman. She got Sparky as well as any critic or fan ever could.

In the early years in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, Peanuts was therapy for Schultz and the world. The "kids" were at their most grown-up then, drawn less cutely and dealing with the issues of the day as sharply as the famous Spanish-language cartoon, Malfada, from Argentina but well-known in Spain, France and elsewhere through translatons.

Malfada was the female Charlie Brown. She had to deal with a lot worse from the Argentinian government and society than even Charlie Brown did. The USA had lynchings and massacres at university riots, but Argentina had Péron and los disparados. Even if you don't really read Spanish (as I do), the angst and the fear come through in a Malfada cartoon, and so it did in Schultz.

He was an outsider but sensitive. He was Charlie Brown. He was also Linus and Lucy and the others. They were all aspects of his personality and his ability to convey his own feelings and thoughts through ostensible wise children was his genius.

The early years of the cartoon delt with many things in society and in the psyche of all of us. Those children were the parents and grandparents of the overly sophisticated and wise children of today, including the Simpsons and every TV child star.

In later years, he kept on drawing in the new stereotyped style, with lighter, more meaningless gags which repeated. If you cartoon for too long, even the greatest cartoonists face this fate. He simply ran out of material--which is to say pain and fear, angst, guilt, hope, passive-aggressivity--whatever the soul contains that can fuel great satire and great comedy and tragedy.

To his credit, it took decades to exhaust his self-analysis. Linus is still the best Christian in cartoons. Lucy is still the most loveable bully and biotch. Charlie Brown is still the archetype of the born loser, the lonely, out-of-it child.

Cathy and Garfield declined much faster into a four-gag strip with only occasional flashes of brilliance or novelty. Some strips like Dagwood and BC declined in other hands or hit a plateau that they would never but seldom rise above because a family is a family is a family and cavemen don't have to evolve.

Peanuts was deeper, more brilliant and more intelligent than all of these and the decline is sadder, but it's like watching your parents grow old and feeble. You remember them in their glory or a little after and you are happy when a glimmer of that shines out from time to time. You'll meet people who knew them when they were completely different people and they will tell you about those people you never knew and you'll understand them a little.

I have known a lot of people who were friends to me but couldn't stand each other. It is the same with cartoons, books, and all human creations. The greatest geniuses hate the most passionately because they envy and are jealous more passionately and they are most likely to hurt each other's vanity and pride on the way up or down the ladder of success. But we can love them all or not love them a bit, like fans, not like rivals and peers.

God bless Mrs. Schultz. She really got Sparky. She really did.

And bless Breathed for telling his "most embarassing moment" story. It is a gem.

24 Nov 2012 04:38 PM
brantgoose    [TotalFark]  
With corrections to my typos from typing with a book half-balanced before me:

To the NCS audience, I asked out loud how wonderful and brave it would have been for Sparky to have stepped off the dance floor when his feet were still nimble and dazzling.

Little did I know that somebody besides poorly coiffed and undersexed cartoonists were in the audience that night.

To my horror, Jeannie Schultz approached me and put a hand on my arm. She squeezed gently, introduced herself and said "You need to understand, Berkeley, Sparky kept drawing the strip because he couldn't have lived without it."

24 Nov 2012 04:40 PM
Sgt Oddball     

PunkTiger: My favourite Lucy moment...
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/Best Fark picture mispost, evar!


You made my day with that.

24 Nov 2012 04:42 PM
brantgoose    [TotalFark]  
You can now get the complete Bloom County, Outland and Opus collections from your local Amazon site.

The hardcover editions will probably never get any cheaper than $25 each, and IIRC, I have five Bloom County, one Outland and one Opus volumes, or is it four? The format is a bit awkward but typical of cartoon books.

I am reading Opus (which ran from 2002-2009 or something like that). It was a weekly cartoon focused on Opus, with Steve Dallas back (but apparently no longer gay) and a son (to serve as foil to Steve Dallas as the Dumb Father Figure, rather than the Frat Boy Monster Figure. I am enjoying it. Perhaps I should have kept in touch, but it's really fun getting filled in on the recent past. Opus sure would have been a life-saver during the second Bush years, but I survived without him.

Bloom County was as close as the Eighties came to having a Charles Schultz in his prime again, but Schultz was never that political or that concerned with pop fashion or history. They were different generations and they were typical of those generations in their beliefs, attitudes, interests, fears, etc.

Far Side and Chast Roz filled in a lot of the space that Schultz and Breathed didn't care about.

24 Nov 2012 04:49 PM
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