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   Cops on Texas mall shopper who pulled gun on line-cutter: "Seems legit"

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BalugaJoe    [TotalFark]  
I like the guy who shot at Target. Seems perfect to me.

25 Nov 2012 07:12 AM
pyrotek85     
That headline is a bit trollish. He didn't pull the gun because the guy cut in line, but because the guy assaulted him by punching him in the face.

25 Nov 2012 07:13 AM
BullBearMS     

pyrotek85: That headline is a bit trollish. He didn't pull the gun because the guy cut in line, but because the guy assaulted him by punching him in the face.


Welcome to Fark?

25 Nov 2012 07:14 AM
Lucidz     
"Police confiscated the gun, which was loaded and had one round in a chamber, the report says.Salame reportedly showed proof that he had a concealed handgun license, and he told officers that he pulled the gun out to defend himself because he was punched in the face by Alejandro Alex, 35."

But.... What if he'd had TWO rounds in the chamber?!?

25 Nov 2012 07:22 AM
Princess Ryans Knickers     

pyrotek85: That headline is a bit trollish. He didn't pull the gun because the guy cut in line, but because the guy assaulted him by punching him in the face.


And was there any reason for the escalation that put innocent bystanders at risk?

25 Nov 2012 07:26 AM
Plant Rights Activist     
Should've just shot him. Now this thug is free to line jump again.

25 Nov 2012 07:31 AM
BalugaJoe    [TotalFark]  
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25 Nov 2012 07:34 AM
Apos     
Hey, the guy took a shot to the face. Can ya blame him for wanting to reciprocate?

25 Nov 2012 07:34 AM
jmadisonbiii     
Uh, it seems more "legit" than allowing someone to punch you in the face. But maybe that's just me. The assault seems to have been downplayed by the author of the article. Wonder why she would do that?

25 Nov 2012 07:36 AM
Likwit     

Princess Ryans Knickers: pyrotek85: That headline is a bit trollish. He didn't pull the gun because the guy cut in line, but because the guy assaulted him by punching him in the face.

And was there any reason for the escalation that put innocent bystanders at risk?


Obvious troll is obvious.

25 Nov 2012 07:36 AM
fluffy2097     

Lucidz: But.... What if he'd had TWO rounds in the chamber?!?


Something would be very wrong with the gun (on the order of physically impossible), and probably would explode in your face if fired.

What they are describing is that the gun was loaded with a full magazine, and there was also a bullet already loaded into the chamber, so he had "one extra bullet" that otherwise would not fit in the magazine. It seems a bit excessive, but it's not wrong or illegal.

25 Nov 2012 07:40 AM
starsrift     
Why is this a Followup? It's basically an article that just links to the original SA article... which was already linked on Fark. There's nothing new here...

25 Nov 2012 07:41 AM
fluffy2097     

starsrift: Why is this a Followup? It's basically an article that just links to the original SA article... which was already linked on Fark. There's nothing new here...


Because boing boing paid for it.

/yes, you can pay to have your article greenlit.

25 Nov 2012 07:43 AM
VRaptor117     
So wait a minute. This guys gets punched, pulls his legally owned and licensed firearm in case he needs to defend himself, and the cops are allowed to confiscate it? With no crime committed or the weapon being discharged? WTF.

25 Nov 2012 07:43 AM
Wonktnod     

VRaptor117: So wait a minute. This guys gets punched, pulls his legally owned and licensed firearm in case he needs to defend himself, and the cops are allowed to confiscate it? With no crime committed or the weapon being discharged? WTF.


That's pretty common when investigating a possible crime involving a firearm. He'll get it back soon, if he hasn't already.

25 Nov 2012 07:47 AM
edmo    [TotalFark]  
Secede already...

25 Nov 2012 07:50 AM
SomeTexan     

Wonktnod: VRaptor117: So wait a minute. This guys gets punched, pulls his legally owned and licensed firearm in case he needs to defend himself, and the cops are allowed to confiscate it? With no crime committed or the weapon being discharged? WTF.

That's pretty common when investigating a possible crime involving a firearm. He'll get it back soon, if he hasn't already.


I doubt it. Guns are commonly not returned by law enforcement, except stolen property. Besides Sears and/or the mall probably had a sign prohibiting guns. If a sign is posted, entering with a gun is illegal in Texas. Even if you have a carry permit. And he will probably lose that permit. Either now, or when it's time to renew it, he will be turned down.

25 Nov 2012 08:04 AM
Richard Saunders     

jmadisonbiii: Uh, it seems more "legit" than allowing someone to punch you in the face. But maybe that's just me. The assault seems to have been downplayed by the author of the article. Wonder why she would do that?


Because Skittles were not involved?

25 Nov 2012 08:09 AM
illannoyin     
Here's what really happened...

Guy is in line.

Other guy cuts in line.

Guy has a gun and therefore feels like his balls are big enough to confront the other guy

Other guy is a douche who likes to create confrontational situations so he can punch people

Or...

Guy hopes for situations like this so he can escalate it as an excuse to pull his gun



Here's what should have happened (according to my concealed firearm license instructor)

I'm in line with my gun on me

Guy cuts in line

I ignore him and say "what a jerk" like everyone else in line

Situation over.

Nothing is worth possibly escalating a situation with someone, who obviously has no consideration for other people, to a point where someone could be shot. Confrontations, especially with people who initiate them, should be avoided as much as possible. The firearm should be the final option and only when forced to it.

If you have a tendency to feel 'dissed' by other people or the phrase "are you gonna just stand there and take that?" has the effect of making you think violence is an appropriate way to resolve a situation then you should not have a concealed firearm license or carry a firearm.

If you do not make every effort to avoid a confrontation or de-escalate and maintain as much distance from the other person as possible when in a confrontation you should not have a concealed firearm license or carry a firearm.

/Texas, six years, carried a concealed firearm for all six, never had to 'reveal' it to anyone.

25 Nov 2012 08:37 AM
rico567     
The previous post basically covers it. The ability of a gun to "de-escalate" is practically nil. From the standpoint of myself CCW, once I've displayed a gun, there's only one thing in the situation I have control of beyond that, which involves pulling the trigger. Therefore, only upon the perception of an immediate threat to life should a gun be involved, and it's draw - present - fire, quicker than it takes to say it.

25 Nov 2012 04:39 PM
Wonktnod     

SomeTexan: Wonktnod: VRaptor117: So wait a minute. This guys gets punched, pulls his legally owned and licensed firearm in case he needs to defend himself, and the cops are allowed to confiscate it? With no crime committed or the weapon being discharged? WTF.

That's pretty common when investigating a possible crime involving a firearm. He'll get it back soon, if he hasn't already.

I doubt it. Guns are commonly not returned by law enforcement, except stolen property. Besides Sears and/or the mall probably had a sign prohibiting guns. If a sign is posted, entering with a gun is illegal in Texas. Even if you have a carry permit. And he will probably lose that permit. Either now, or when it's time to renew it, he will be turned down.


I'm sure firearm theft via police officer does occur occasionally, but we have no reason to suspect it happened here yet.
On another note, Sears can post as many signs as they want prohibiting guns, but in Texas if they aren't 30.06 signs they do not prohibit licensed concealed carry.

26 Nov 2012 05:29 PM
SomeTexan     

Wonktnod: SomeTexan: Wonktnod: VRaptor117: So wait a minute. This guys gets punched, pulls his legally owned and licensed firearm in case he needs to defend himself, and the cops are allowed to confiscate it? With no crime committed or the weapon being discharged? WTF.

That's pretty common when investigating a possible crime involving a firearm. He'll get it back soon, if he hasn't already.

I doubt it. Guns are commonly not returned by law enforcement, except stolen property. Besides Sears and/or the mall probably had a sign prohibiting guns. If a sign is posted, entering with a gun is illegal in Texas. Even if you have a carry permit. And he will probably lose that permit. Either now, or when it's time to renew it, he will be turned down.

I'm sure firearm theft via police officer does occur occasionally, but we have no reason to suspect it happened here yet.
On another note, Sears can post as many signs as they want prohibiting guns, but in Texas if they aren't 30.06 signs they do not prohibit licensed concealed carry.



What kind of sign do you think I am talking about? Of course the mall has a 30.06 sign, and Sears probably does, too. 

Permanent confiscation happens so much in the US that returning the gun is the exception, not the rule. I am not sure about Texas specifically, but I would not be surprised if it were true of Texas as well.

27 Nov 2012 10:35 AM
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