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Sir Cumference the Flatulent    [TotalFark]  
In post-Soviet Amerika, you can get locked up for that.

26 Nov 2012 07:24 AM
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PhiloeBedoe     
In post=Soviet Russia, You watch Big Brother
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26 Nov 2012 08:57 AM
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Tell Me How My Blog Tastes    [TotalFark]  
Oh yeah, cops in Eastern Europe are awful. It's standard over there to pay tickets on the spot, rather than to go to court or anything. I can only imagine what that kind of lawlessness leads to.

26 Nov 2012 09:34 AM
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slayer199    [TotalFark]  
That the guy was able to get out of the vehicle in the 2nd crash was simply amazing.

26 Nov 2012 09:39 AM
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Mentalpatient87    [TotalFark]  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: In post-Soviet Amerika, you can get locked up for that.


Funny how that works out.

26 Nov 2012 11:22 AM
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olddeegee    [TotalFark]  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: In post-Soviet Amerika, you can get locked up for that.


Not in Illinois as of today.Link

26 Nov 2012 11:24 AM
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Hot Carl To Go     

slayer199: That the guy was able to get out of the vehicle in the 2nd crash was simply amazing.


This. Lucky guy

26 Nov 2012 11:25 AM
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Void_Beavis     
The most fantastic dash cam footage on earth comes out of post-Soviet Russia. The more recent video where the truck driver gets launched out the front window, lands on his feet, and walks off while not a single fark was given that day is simply amazing.

26 Nov 2012 11:26 AM
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miniflea     
Wasn't there a thread recently about how cameras being everywhere are helping ordinary people more than hurting them, contrary to big brother fears?

26 Nov 2012 11:27 AM
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ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  

Void_Beavis: The most fantastic dash cam footage on earth comes out of post-Soviet Russia. The more recent video where the truck driver gets launched out the front window, lands on his feet, and walks off while not a single fark was given that day is simply amazing.


THIS!

26 Nov 2012 11:28 AM
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Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion     

miniflea: Wasn't there a thread recently about how cameras being everywhere are helping ordinary people more than hurting them, contrary to big brother fears?


The problem isn't the cameras, it's who controls them.

26 Nov 2012 11:29 AM
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special20    [TotalFark]  

slayer199: That the guy was able to get out of the vehicle in the 2nd crash was simply amazing.


I was impressed with how the first accident had a guy just casually stroll out of his windshield, seemingly unscathed.

/vodak
//how does it work?

26 Nov 2012 11:30 AM
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RidgeRunner5     

miniflea: Wasn't there a thread recently about how cameras being everywhere are helping ordinary people more than hurting them, contrary to big brother fears?


It's about who has control of the footage.

26 Nov 2012 11:30 AM
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wildcardjack     

olddeegee: Sir Cumference the Flatulent: In post-Soviet Amerika, you can get locked up for that.

Not in Illinois as of today.Link


What's important there is it was a SCOTUS ruling, so it can be argued as precedent in other cases. I hope.

I can see a future of low-profile camera recording for many Americans, but it's a double edged sword. Or maybe I could just market the kits or even just the how-to book.

26 Nov 2012 11:31 AM
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factoryconnection    [TotalFark]  

olddeegee: Sir Cumference the Flatulent: In post-Soviet Amerika, you can get locked up for that.

Not in Illinois as of today.Link


This is a legal issue that has evolved massively over the past few years. The practice of charging video recorders in public under wiretapping laws was spreading but seems to be getting stamped out by significant cases in various states. Yes a lot of PDs still screw up and arrest people for it, but that doesn't make it against the law. The police are going to have to get used to more accountability for their actions. 

Not mentioned in TFA, but I've seen a number of films from Russia in which the dash cam proves an invaluable asset against fraudulent injury lawsuit trolls... pedestrians that dive into cars for an insurance payout. Much less convincing when you see them in 720p.

26 Nov 2012 11:32 AM
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BronyMedic     

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: In post-Soviet Amerika, you can get locked up for that.


Well, I personally know that when I want to make comparisons between a country with strict civil liberties, constutitonally protect rights, and court systems that will throw charges out based on the most light technicalities - Like America, and countries where the words Police Brutality mean nothing - like Russia, I choose Fark to do it on.

26 Nov 2012 11:32 AM
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Void_Beavis     

ChipNASA: Void_Beavis: The most fantastic dash cam footage on earth comes out of post-Soviet Russia. The more recent video where the truck driver gets launched out the front window, lands on his feet, and walks off while not a single fark was given that day is simply amazing.

THIS!


Hehe. I also like the one where the dude fails at his attempt at insurance fraud by diving in front of a car, then the driver gets out and beats his ass senseless.

Wonder if car insurance covers road rage in Russia? Lol!

26 Nov 2012 11:33 AM
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aevert     
I always wondered why so many dashcam car crashes seemed to come put of Russia.

26 Nov 2012 11:34 AM
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BronyMedic     

miniflea: Wasn't there a thread recently about how cameras being everywhere are helping ordinary people more than hurting them, contrary to big brother fears?


Police Departments are starting to put video cameras on their officer's lapels and on their guns now because of the protection and back-up it offers them in court. The technology is to the point now where the camera is no bigger than a lapel pin, and the recorder is the size of a credit card.

The video can either win your case, or fark you over criminally and civilly.

Tasers have had them since 2004, IIRC, because of the liability over their improper use.

26 Nov 2012 11:34 AM
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clane     
You can't do that in America

26 Nov 2012 11:35 AM
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FizixJunkee     

olddeegee: Sir Cumference the Flatulent: In post-Soviet Amerika, you can get locked up for that.

Not in Illinois as of today.Link


That's good news.

26 Nov 2012 11:36 AM
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RidgeRunner5     

aevert: I always wondered why so many dashcam car crashes seemed to come put of Russia.


Reportedly they have dash cams set up for insurance purposes, as apparently there is a big problem with fraud, thus hiking everybody's rates.

26 Nov 2012 11:37 AM
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neongoats     
Sounds like a great big fat "all cars in America need this" wake up call to me.

Market a 4 camera, 720p, 48hr dvr car kit that just quietly works without having to constantly fark with it and I'm a pre sale baby.

Our police are corrupt for-profit businesses. Any vestige of public service and civic virtue are gone.

26 Nov 2012 11:38 AM
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puckrock2000     

26 Nov 2012 11:39 AM
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BronyMedic     

clane: You can't do that in America


Sure you can. To an extent. States with laws prohibiting it are seeing those laws struck down as unconstitutional.

The difference is, you have a right to video tape the cops. You don't have a right to get in their face with a cell phone and obstruct them from doing their duty to record them, or barge onto a crime scene or active incident and video tape them.

When you interfere with their job, they have every legal right to arrest you. Not for videotaping them, but for getting in their way.

Doesn't make it necessarily right, or justifiable to do so. But neither does it justify shoving a camera in someone's face while they're wrestling with someone who just punched them in the jaw. Most people aren't very nice at that point.

26 Nov 2012 11:40 AM
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Raging Thespian    [TotalFark]  

olddeegee: Sir Cumference the Flatulent: In post-Soviet Amerika, you can get locked up for that.

Not in Illinois as of today.Link


About damn time.

26 Nov 2012 11:40 AM
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kapaso     

BronyMedic: Sir Cumference the Flatulent: In post-Soviet Amerika, you can get locked up for that.

Well, I personally know that when I want to make comparisons between a country with strict civil liberties, constutitonally protect rights, and court systems that will throw charges out based on the most light technicalities - Like America, and countries where the words Police Brutality mean nothing - like Russia, I choose Fark to do it on.


Come deal with the police in Arizona a few times and see if you still feel the same way. As far as throwing cases out on minor technicalities, you watch touch tv, that is rare at best and unheard of in a lot of court rooms, unless of course youre wealthy.

26 Nov 2012 11:41 AM
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Psycoholic_Slag     

clane: You can't do that in America


You just need to be discreet. I am simply amazed that we are not legally allowed to record our police doing their jobs.

26 Nov 2012 11:42 AM
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Sticky Hands    [TotalFark]  

BronyMedic: miniflea: Wasn't there a thread recently about how cameras being everywhere are helping ordinary people more than hurting them, contrary to big brother fears?

Police Departments are starting to put video cameras on their officer's lapels and on their guns now because of the protection and back-up it offers them in court. The technology is to the point now where the camera is no bigger than a lapel pin, and the recorder is the size of a credit card.

The video can either win your case, or fark you over criminally and civilly.

Tasers have had them since 2004, IIRC, because of the liability over their improper use.


The Salt Lake City PD is rolling out cameras mounted to glasses.

The chief of police had an interesting quote:

This is going to demonstrate the things we're doing good," Burbank said. "Sometimes it's going to catch us doing things improperly, but for the most part it is going to show we do an outstanding job."

He also seems to accept that the public is going to record the officers, and they should be recording right back.

26 Nov 2012 11:43 AM
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factoryconnection    [TotalFark]  

BronyMedic: The video can either win your case, or fark you over criminally and civilly.


They are usually met with significant resistance by the PD, and yet once put into general use end up making the LEOs lives a lot easier. "Well your honor, what I recall seeing is possibly meaningful, but let's see what this high-definition version of my memory does for the defendant's case... yeah that's what I saw."

Even if it makes it harder for the little guy to skate on charges, at least the conviction comes from solid evidence instead of just assuming the LEO is telling the truth. Fewer assumptions benefiting them is better in my mind.

26 Nov 2012 11:47 AM
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Bomb Head Mohammed     
Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Oh yeah, cops in Eastern Europe are awful. It's standard over there to pay tickets on the spot, rather than to go to court or anything. I can only imagine what that kind of lawlessness leads to.

I regularly drive there on a foreign license. I take the following approach:

1. i pretend to half-understand their request until they say it a bit too clearly.
2. then i show them my recording devices.
3. then i make them feel bad and lay into them.

if this all doesn't work, i just tell them to send me the ticket for the supposed offense. 10 stops, none ever has.

26 Nov 2012 11:47 AM
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FizixJunkee     

kapaso:

Come deal with the police in Arizona a few times and see if you still feel the same way. As far as throwing cases out on minor technicalities, you watch touch tv, that is rare at best and unheard of in a lot of court rooms, unless of course youre wealthy.



And in Arizona, it's old, white folks serving on juries. For some reason, they're eager to proclaim young defendants guilty of any accused crime, no matter how weak the evidence. Doubly true if the defendant isn't white.

26 Nov 2012 11:48 AM
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plasticuser     
I personally use a dash cam here in TX.

It records video in front of and behind me, plus GPS and accelerometer data.

If the recording would vindicate me in the eyes of the law, that's a wonderful thing -- and it already has dissuaded a small town cop from giving me a BS speeding ticket.

In the event the recording would convict me, I know how to keep my mouth shut, or man up and hand it over if it's directly asked for. Which, given the rarity of this type of device in the US, it rarely is.

26 Nov 2012 11:48 AM
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Xai     

puckrock2000: Russians don't believe in turn signals or mirrors...

/as addictive as TV Tropes


I thought that was poland, but I would love to know what cameras they use and how much they are.

26 Nov 2012 11:49 AM
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BronyMedic     

neongoats: Sounds like a great big fat "all cars in America need this" wake up call to me.

Market a 4 camera, 720p, 48hr dvr car kit that just quietly works without having to constantly fark with it and I'm a pre sale baby..


Drivecams are around 250 bucks a pop. We use them at R/M because they cut down on insurance fraud and false accusations. However, they only record 15 seconds before the event, and fifteen seconds after.

As said before, it can either hang you in court, or clear you.

The system you're talking about would cost at least a thousand dollars to install, and would be incredibly sightly and awkward at the very least. Hell, the basic digital dash cam systems that go into police crusiers, at the very entry level, are 5 to 600 dollars, and require integration with the car's electronics systems. No one is going to pay for that unless they are required to by law.

Our police are corrupt for-profit businesses. Any vestige of public service and civic virtue are gone.

Funny. 50% of the department I run rescue at are Reserve/Volunteer. The only thing they get out of it is a 250 dollar a year uniform alotment and ability to buy into the insurance there, and they have to work 36 hours a month to maintain their Reserve status.

26 Nov 2012 11:49 AM
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david_gaithersburg     
In California that's a four days of jalin. Link

26 Nov 2012 11:52 AM
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Summer Glau's Love Slave     
i1125.photobucket.com
What a fan of electronic surveillance may look like.

/Best. Show. Ever.

26 Nov 2012 11:52 AM
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SirDigbyChickenCaesar     

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: In post-Soviet Amerika, you can get locked up for that.


Is legal in Virginia as long as you don't interfere. Our motto: "assume you are being taped"

/just don't get pissed at me when I hand you a subpoena

26 Nov 2012 11:55 AM
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factoryconnection    [TotalFark]  

david_gaithersburg: In California that's a four days of jalin. Link


Going to jail sucks, and arrests under false pretenses are a bad thing, but fundamentally there is a large difference between being accused and convicted of a crime. Right now there is a bold trend (SCOTUS-driven) to protect citizens' rights to video tape in public and convictions are getting overturned, cases are getting thrown out, and PDs are being trained to not persecute people for recording.

While there are LEOs and PDs out there that are slow to adapt, our rights are at least being protected by the courts in general.

26 Nov 2012 12:00 PM
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Kuroshin     

wildcardjack: olddeegee: Sir Cumference the Flatulent: In post-Soviet Amerika, you can get locked up for that.

Not in Illinois as of today.Link

What's important there is it was a SCOTUS ruling, so it can be argued as precedent in other cases. I hope.

I can see a future of low-profile camera recording for many Americans, but it's a double edged sword. Or maybe I could just market the kits or even just the how-to book.


Motorcyclists are finally catching on as well. About a third of the bikers you see on the road around here have a helmet cam.

Cheap insurance against the "he said-she said" crap. Plus, it's impossible to get away with a hit-and-run when you're caught on video, complete with license plate.

26 Nov 2012 12:02 PM
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CygnusDarius     
Must be hard being a police officer when the freakin Russian Mafia either wants you in their pocket, or in a ditch.

26 Nov 2012 12:03 PM
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Sin_City_Superhero    [TotalFark]  

plasticuser: I personally use a dash cam here in TX.


In the event the recording would convict me, I know how to keep my mouth shut, or man up and hand it over if it's directly asked for. Which, given the rarity of this type of device in the US, it rarely is.


I am not a lawyer, so I really have no idea, but can the cops do that? Can the cops demand that you hand over a video recording? I mean, I think that the DA's office can subpoena the video, but are you required to hand it over to a cop that asks for/demands it?

26 Nov 2012 12:05 PM
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david_gaithersburg     

factoryconnection: david_gaithersburg: In California that's a four days of jalin. Link

Going to jail sucks, and arrests under false pretenses are a bad thing, but fundamentally there is a large difference between being accused and convicted of a crime. Right now there is a bold trend (SCOTUS-driven) to protect citizens' rights to video tape in public and convictions are getting overturned, cases are getting thrown out, and PDs are being trained to not persecute people for recording.

While there are LEOs and PDs out there that are slow to adapt, our rights are at least being protected by the courts in general.


Here is the rest of the story. Link They had arrested him before and were ordered to pay him $25k. He's probally looking at millions this time.

26 Nov 2012 12:05 PM
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david_gaithersburg     
I want one of those cameras. Did anyone notice the second camera that flips out from the side to record the driver and passenger windows. Good old American Russian ingenuity.

26 Nov 2012 12:08 PM
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Kuroshin     

BronyMedic: neongoats: Sounds like a great big fat "all cars in America need this" wake up call to me.

Market a 4 camera, 720p, 48hr dvr car kit that just quietly works without having to constantly fark with it and I'm a pre sale baby..

Drivecams are around 250 bucks a pop. We use them at R/M because they cut down on insurance fraud and false accusations. However, they only record 15 seconds before the event, and fifteen seconds after.

As said before, it can either hang you in court, or clear you.

The system you're talking about would cost at least a thousand dollars to install, and would be incredibly sightly and awkward at the very least. Hell, the basic digital dash cam systems that go into police crusiers, at the very entry level, are 5 to 600 dollars, and require integration with the car's electronics systems. No one is going to pay for that unless they are required to by law.

Our police are corrupt for-profit businesses. Any vestige of public service and civic virtue are gone.

Funny. 50% of the department I run rescue at are Reserve/Volunteer. The only thing they get out of it is a 250 dollar a year uniform alotment and ability to buy into the insurance there, and they have to work 36 hours a month to maintain their Reserve status.


www.shop-eat-surf.com
Contour+2 - $400

printrbot.com
Micro USB cable - $1

www.erodov.com
USB car charger (giving up on links) - $5


About the only thing that it can't do is record more than six to twelve hours of footage (depending on MicroSD card capacity). Total cost is less than $500.

26 Nov 2012 12:09 PM
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uttertosh    [TotalFark]  

Sticky Hands: He also seems to accept that the public is going to record the officers, and they should be recording right back.


Try reversing the order of the subjects, then you've hit the nail here. The police have been recording-for-training-purposes for decades. It's every citizens duty to do the same.

I've been given a thick ear for recording an officer who was recording a demo I attended a few years back. (anti Irak war, UK, post 9/!!) My camera confiscated, me held for 24hrs, charged with obstruction, assaulting a police officer, resisting arrest, disorderly conduct and breach of the peace. Never got to court. Never had my assault complaint responded to. What effin camera, son? Piss off.

I wear a teeshirt with "This person is monitored by CCTV" when recording protests now, and have copies of photographers rights in every pocket.

26 Nov 2012 12:10 PM
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clane     

BronyMedic: clane: You can't do that in America

Sure you can. To an extent. States with laws prohibiting it are seeing those laws struck down as unconstitutional.

The difference is, you have a right to video tape the cops. You don't have a right to get in their face with a cell phone and obstruct them from doing their duty to record them, or barge onto a crime scene or active incident and video tape them.

When you interfere with their job, they have every legal right to arrest you. Not for videotaping them, but for getting in their way.

Doesn't make it necessarily right, or justifiable to do so. But neither does it justify shoving a camera in someone's face while they're wrestling with someone who just punched them in the jaw. Most people aren't very nice at that point.


Don't kid yourself, Read the news, people get shaken down by the police at will in this country. It's not 1970 America anymore

26 Nov 2012 12:11 PM
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squeez cheez     
Can anyone recommend a good dash cam, that does it's business without much input after installation? I bought one earlier this year but have struggled to get it to work properly.

26 Nov 2012 12:11 PM
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BronyMedic     

Kuroshin: About the only thing that it can't do is record more than six to twelve hours of footage (depending on MicroSD card capacity). Total cost is less than $500.


Big problem there. Law Enforcement recorders - digital hard drive based, card based, or tape based, and civil products like DriveCam are built to resist video tampering and editing. DriveCam videos themselves can only be read using a proprietary software that ensures video is raw from the camera.

The burdon of proof on non-LEO is a lot less when presenting a video than it is on an LEO trying to use it to prove or disprove events in terms of demonstrating it's not edited.

26 Nov 2012 12:13 PM
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BronyMedic     

clane: Don't kid yourself, Read the news, people get shaken down by the police at will in this country. It's not 1970 America anymore


And people get Multimillion dollar payouts now too, and get to walk on things like drug trafficing, rape and murder because of it.

Like you said, it's not 1970s America anymore.

26 Nov 2012 12:14 PM
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