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   $4.3 million in late fees are due on 40,000 items checked out of the Phoenix, AZ, public library system. Don't bogart that book, my friend

27 Nov 2012 12:47 AM   |   1802 clicks   |   Green Valley News
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OregonVet    [TotalFark]  
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/inconsolable

27 Nov 2012 12:40 AM
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Fano     
I'm paying the fine in red licorice

27 Nov 2012 12:48 AM
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unicron702     
I kind of feel bad, one of bathroom reading books is a book I got from the library like 2 years ago:

images.bookcloseouts.com

27 Nov 2012 12:51 AM
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gunsmack    [TotalFark]  
This is about illegal immigrants, isn't it?

27 Nov 2012 12:51 AM
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cousin-merle     
I'm amazed we haven't sold off all the libraries to balance the budget.

27 Nov 2012 12:54 AM
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INeedAName     
I was working for a public school and an older gentlemen I know who lived down the street from me was cleaning out his stuff and found an old book he had taken from the school library and asked me to return it. I explained things and the librarian and I chuckled as she checked what the fine should be. $375.00

27 Nov 2012 12:54 AM
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cmb53208     
I thought books were illegal in Phoenix because Sheriff Joe doesn't like people who read

27 Nov 2012 12:55 AM
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picturescrazy     
So around $100 an item? Did they have the police calculate the overdue fees?

27 Nov 2012 12:56 AM
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1000 Ways to Dye     
That's a lot of copies of "Hop on Pop," and dammit, they'll be returned when they're finished with them. Reading doesn't come easily to Arizonians.

27 Nov 2012 12:57 AM
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JerkyMeat     
Farking republicans. They make the world awful.

27 Nov 2012 12:59 AM
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RedPhoenix122    [TotalFark]  
t0.gstatic.com 

/oblig

27 Nov 2012 01:03 AM
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demaL-demaL-yeH    [TotalFark]  

cousin-merle: I'm amazed we haven't sold off all the libraries to balance the budget.


Shut.
Up.

/You'll give our batshiat insane state legislature very ideas.

27 Nov 2012 01:05 AM
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rkane1     

RedPhoenix122: [t0.gstatic.com image 257x196] 

/oblig


So you think I'm a loser? Just because I have a stinking job that I hate, a family that doesn't respect me, a whole city that curses the day I was born? Well, that may mean loser to you, but let me tell you something. Every morning when I wake up, I know it's not going to get any better until I go back to sleep again. So I get up, have my watered-down Tang and still-frozen Pop Tart, get in my car with no upholstery, no gas, and six more payments to fight traffic just for the privilege of putting cheap shoes on the cloven hooves of people like you. I'll never play football like I thought I would. I'll never know the touch of a beautiful woman. And I'll never again know the joy of driving without a bag on my head. But I'm not a loser. 'Cause, despite it all, me and every other guy who'll never be what he wanted to be are still out there being what we don't want to be forty hours a week for life. And the fact that I haven't put a gun in my mouth, you pudding of a woman, makes me a winner.

27 Nov 2012 01:07 AM
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wildcardjack     
My local library had a $25 max fee, which was a problem for the longest time because a $300 videocassette with public performance rights was never returned. It also applied to someone who checked out a $10 book and forgot to return it.

I think they changed to the max fine being replacement value. But now they don't bother collecting fines if you have less than $5 in them, so you could be a day late on a bunch of items before the self checkout system would frown at you. At that rate their ten or twenty thousand users could rack up big sounding money in uncollected fines.

27 Nov 2012 01:09 AM
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Fark Me To Tears     
If the library wants to find their books, they need to go to the flea markets, yard sales, and antique shops.

27 Nov 2012 01:18 AM
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warlok42     
Is the sad tag for the overdue fines, or the fact that an entire state only has 40,000 books that were returned overdue?

I think I may have that many overdue now myself...

27 Nov 2012 01:21 AM
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NetOwl     
I've managed to talk my way out of hundreds of dollars in library fines. If you're apologetic, most librarians will be undersanding.


I couldn't live without a good library. Most books I read are too expensive to own, and some of the rest are too hard to find.

27 Nov 2012 01:22 AM
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robohobo     
A few years back, maybe 5 or 6, even, the Kansas City library computer system went down, losing all their records of who had what books out. I had a good 15 books out at the time. I should get around to returning them, one day. I've moved in the interim, and it's like a 10 minute drive.

27 Nov 2012 01:24 AM
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StreetlightInTheGhetto     
Man. I rented out a DVD from our local library. Had to leave out of town for work and asked the boyfriend to return it. He forgot for 3 weeks, and since it got buried under mail and I was exhausted I didn't notice for 2 more.

They capped what I owed at $20.

wildcardjack: My local library had a $25 max fee, which was a problem for the longest time because a $300 videocassette with public performance rights was never returned. It also applied to someone who checked out a $10 book and forgot to return it.

I think they changed to the max fine being replacement value. But now they don't bother collecting fines if you have less than $5 in them, so you could be a day late on a bunch of items before the self checkout system would frown at you. At that rate their ten or twenty thousand users could rack up big sounding money in uncollected fines.


Man... this.

I'm fine with charging a restocking fee on top of the replacement value - someone has to recatalog that item if it has to be replaced - but beyond that, come on.

/worked at a library at my university
//part of the training was looking up people we knew in the system
///my roommate owed $200 she had to pay before she could get her diploma
////and even with that leverage that was still just for 4 art books she had ridiculously overdue

27 Nov 2012 01:29 AM
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Spartacus Outlaw     
One of the times I was most ashamed of myself was when I spilled a coke on a library book and ruined it. The worst part was that I paid the value of the book, but I knew they weren't going to replace it, and it was a really neat translation of the Odyssey. I was so bummed that I took that book out of circulation. That was many years ago, and now I would be ashamed of myself for almost anything. I am a shameful person.

27 Nov 2012 01:30 AM
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Cyrus the Mediocre    [TotalFark]  
Dammit. But Emerson makes the best coasters

27 Nov 2012 01:33 AM
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Ryker's Peninsula     
I think the chances are better that they have 40,000 copies of "The Little Mermaid" checked out than they do of one book being checked out.

27 Nov 2012 01:33 AM
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demaL-demaL-yeH    [TotalFark]  

warlok42: Is the sad tag for the overdue fines, or the fact that an entire state only has 40,000 books that were returned overdue?

I think I may have that many overdue now myself...


Phoenix is a city. There should be a Sad or Sick tag on this thread because the Phoenix library system has fewer items than the population of the city.

27 Nov 2012 01:35 AM
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Philbb    [TotalFark]  

NetOwl: I've managed to talk my way out of hundreds of dollars in library fines. If you're apologetic, most librarians will be undersanding.


I couldn't live without a good library. Most books I read are too expensive to own, and some of the rest are too hard to find.


A lot of THIS^. I have seldom had overdue books, But I do have four children who would lose books all the time. A couple of times per year we would find books that had been "lost". If I hadn't already paid the replacement cost by then*, we would return them and usually get the fines greatly reduced or forgiven.

The public library system is one of the greatest accomplishments of civilization. Checking out a book, reading it, and taking it back is much better than buying a book, reading it, and then have it laying around the house collecting dust.

*The main reason I hadn't already paid the replacement cost was almost exclusively because one of my kids wouldn't tell me that they had lost a library book.

27 Nov 2012 01:38 AM
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Despair of the Cheese     
I suppose this isn't a good time to admit that about 20% of my book collection is from books I forgot to return and rediscovered years later.

/nearly all of it was lady porn
//not ashamed

27 Nov 2012 01:41 AM
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Harold Beanbag     
I occasionally hook up with the head librarian of my branch. Haven't paid a fine in a while even though my books are rarely taken back on time. She's a pig, so I'm probably losing out on the deal.

27 Nov 2012 01:43 AM
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StreetlightInTheGhetto     

Philbb: NetOwl: I've managed to talk my way out of hundreds of dollars in library fines. If you're apologetic, most librarians will be undersanding.


I couldn't live without a good library. Most books I read are too expensive to own, and some of the rest are too hard to find.

A lot of THIS^. I have seldom had overdue books, But I do have four children who would lose books all the time. A couple of times per year we would find books that had been "lost". If I hadn't already paid the replacement cost by then*, we would return them and usually get the fines greatly reduced or forgiven.

The public library system is one of the greatest accomplishments of civilization. Checking out a book, reading it, and taking it back is much better than buying a book, reading it, and then have it laying around the house collecting dust.

*The main reason I hadn't already paid the replacement cost was almost exclusively because one of my kids wouldn't tell me that they had lost a library book.


My local library held me to money I owed before I could renew my card ( I had moved and foolishly told them my old address). Honestly, that was fair... mainly because it was entirely reasonable fines for what I owed ($20 for the aforementioned 'deemed lost before it was eventually returned' DVD and between $5 and $10 for random accumulated book fines).

If you have kids, granted, it's best to have a librarian that will work with you. Unfortunately, because of budget cuts (sigh) I know the librarians at the library my parents go to aren't *allowed* to make exceptions. Which, IMHO, is stupid and just leads to fewer people borrowing period (combination of that policy and for killing off most of the satellite branches in a fairly large city).

/sigh
//I have many memories growing up of riding to the library on my bike and trying to hold my breath the entire half mile I had to ride past a cemetary... it was a somewhat limited satellite branch(that no longer exists) but I freaking read the hell out of most of the Young Adult books there, then moved on to all of the Vonnegut they had, then moved on from there...

27 Nov 2012 01:52 AM
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wildcardjack     

StreetlightInTheGhetto: /worked at a library at my university
//part of the training was looking up people we knew in the system
///my roommate owed $200 she had to pay before she could get her diploma
////and even with that leverage that was still just for 4 art books she had ridiculously overdue


My university library charged somewhere around ten cents per hour overdue.

27 Nov 2012 01:59 AM
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Lsherm    [TotalFark]  
Libraries are becoming internet access points for research. There's no point in having a paper record distributed anymore, and even librarians realize that. Libraries have been consolidating important books for years, and they have been providing lending services for those same books for decades.

Suck it up - if the local library is to survive, it's going to be as a public access point for internet service. If they don't, then what the hell are they there for?

27 Nov 2012 02:04 AM
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Gyrfalcon     
The libraries I've been acquainted with don't really care about the fines, because when all's said and done, they'd rather have the books back than the money. A lot of those books can't be replaced anymore.

27 Nov 2012 02:09 AM
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fusillade762    [TotalFark]  
I SAID I'd bring them back next week. Sheesh.

27 Nov 2012 02:19 AM
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Dinjiin     
I am rather surprised that library systems have not worked with lawmakers to add some creative enforcement and collection methods. Late fees could be added to your state income tax liabilities. Renewal of your drivers license could be blocked until you paid your fees if you owed a significant amount.

Having said that, fees really shouldn't be more than replacement value plus administrative overhead. The late fee counter should not continue rolling forever.


Lsherm: Libraries have been consolidating important books for years, and they have been providing lending services for those same books for decades.


Not to mention that many library systems have joined lending networks to greatly increase the number of books their users can check out. I've had a number of rare technical books sent to my local branch from out of state. It takes a few days for them to show up, but I can order them online and then pick them up a few days later.

27 Nov 2012 02:39 AM
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daveb0rg     
i.imgur.com

27 Nov 2012 02:42 AM
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libranoelrose    [TotalFark]  

daveb0rg: [i.imgur.com image 337x233]


Tropic of Cancer

/took way too long

robohobo: A few years back, maybe 5 or 6, even, the Kansas City library computer system went down, losing all their records of who had what books out. I had a good 15 books out at the time. I should get around to returning them, one day. I've moved in the interim, and it's like a 10 minute drive.


Are you the dick that has the copy of World without End?

Dick.

27 Nov 2012 02:48 AM
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doglover     

Dinjiin: I am rather surprised that library systems have not worked with lawmakers


Lawmakers only want hookers and blow.

Anything that cuts into their budget for those two items are the enemy.

27 Nov 2012 02:50 AM
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Mikey1969     

demaL-demaL-yeH: warlok42: Is the sad tag for the overdue fines, or the fact that an entire state only has 40,000 books that were returned overdue?

I think I may have that many overdue now myself...

Phoenix is a city. There should be a Sad or Sick tag on this thread because the Phoenix library system has fewer items than the population of the city.


Actually, Phoenix only has 1.5 million people, and TFA said that they have 1.8 million items in their inventory.

27 Nov 2012 03:03 AM
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Mikey1969     

Gyrfalcon: The libraries I've been acquainted with don't really care about the fines, because when all's said and done, they'd rather have the books back than the money. A lot of those books can't be replaced anymore.


^^^THIS^^^

27 Nov 2012 03:04 AM
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Mikey1969     

Philbb: NetOwl: I've managed to talk my way out of hundreds of dollars in library fines. If you're apologetic, most librarians will be undersanding.


I couldn't live without a good library. Most books I read are too expensive to own, and some of the rest are too hard to find.

A lot of THIS^. I have seldom had overdue books, But I do have four children who would lose books all the time. A couple of times per year we would find books that had been "lost". If I hadn't already paid the replacement cost by then*, we would return them and usually get the fines greatly reduced or forgiven.

The public library system is one of the greatest accomplishments of civilization. Checking out a book, reading it, and taking it back is much better than buying a book, reading it, and then have it laying around the house collecting dust.

*The main reason I hadn't already paid the replacement cost was almost exclusively because one of my kids wouldn't tell me that they had lost a library book.


Actually, I prefer to own my books. I re-read books every few years, I sometimes attack an entire series and don't want to wait until I can get to the library to get the next book inthe series, especially since it might be out by the time I get there.

I also love to be able to tell people 'Here, read this, you might enjoy it', and being able to go pick it off the shelf.

It's also nice to track down a book or short story when a movie or TV show reminds me of something I had read. This gets hard to do with short stories...

That aside, I agree that libraries are one of our most important assets.

27 Nov 2012 03:11 AM
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boinkingbill     
I'm guilty. I still have a vhs tape that I took out when I was at the University of Arizona called "Debby does the Pol Pot" which I really should return. I mean Pol Pot is just so yesterday, isn't it?

27 Nov 2012 03:34 AM
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Mock26     
A friend of mine from when I was in high school has his name misspelled on his library card and never had it fixed. He once had several books for over a year and returned them in the drop box. He then went to the library the next day to get a new library card. They tried to say he owed them money but he just pulled out his idea and said, "I do not spell my name that way. That is not me." At the time they did not have addresses stored anywhere and they bought his story.

27 Nov 2012 03:38 AM
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Hal5423     
I went to ASU and I borrowed a book (instead of buying it for the class) from the Phoenix library that I returned late. I think it was the only book I ever got from the library and I think I still owe them the $5 in late fines. I guess this would have been 4 years ago.

/csb

27 Nov 2012 03:48 AM
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red5ish     
As it is Arizona I imagine they ate the books.

27 Nov 2012 04:27 AM
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DrPainMD     
Several years ago, I was going thru some boxes in the attic and found a book I never returned to the Boston library. I left Boston in 1987.

27 Nov 2012 05:23 AM
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offacue     
To be fair, they're probably scattered from Tucson to Tucumcari,Tehachapi to Tonopah

27 Nov 2012 06:01 AM
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jaspyrnyte     
reellibrarians.files.wordpress.com
On the case
/Really? I'm the first?
//f451!

27 Nov 2012 06:16 AM
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Zoomaster     
A friend of mine runs an independent video rental store (yes there are a few left out there, especially in the back neck of the woods like where I live, too spread out for cable and most of the people are too cheap for Direct TV). She used to keep a running total posted on what the amount of her late fees were, when it went over $50,000 she gave up (about two years profit on videos, she sells other thing too) I told her to quit renting to people with late fees and she said she would lose 3/4 of her customers. She is trying to raise revenue in her other sales, so she can drop the video rental.

27 Nov 2012 06:50 AM
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Nowhereman     

unicron702: I kind of feel bad, one of bathroom reading books is a book I got from the library like 2 years ago:

images.bookcloseouts.com

This was mine about 10 years ago, library never came after me.
ecx.images-amazon.com
/"Hey man, don't bundy that book"

27 Nov 2012 07:40 AM
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imtheonlylp     
people still check out books? there's this new thing, called e-books, where you can digitally check out a book from many many lie-berries across the world!

/water discovered to be wet too!

27 Nov 2012 09:35 AM
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gochuck     
Columbus Metropolitan Library has the solution... you send large accounts to collections. It's pretty funny to see how quickly books show back up and fines are paid once they go to a collections agency.

27 Nov 2012 11:12 AM
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demaL-demaL-yeH    [TotalFark]  

Mikey1969: demaL-demaL-yeH: warlok42: Is the sad tag for the overdue fines, or the fact that an entire state only has 40,000 books that were returned overdue?

I think I may have that many overdue now myself...

Phoenix is a city. There should be a Sad or Sick tag on this thread because the Phoenix library system has fewer items than the population of the city.

Actually, Phoenix only has 1.5 million people, and TFA said that they have 1.8 million items in their inventory.


Hmm. Should have said books. (Tucson/Pima Public Library is better. Barely. Good thing UofA has more than 5 million volumes in its collection.)
Phoenix Public Library Books & Serial Volumes: 1,385,403 0.92 Number per capita
Subscriptions: 2,886
Audio (Physical): 155,319
Video (Physical): 117,403

27 Nov 2012 11:16 AM
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