Snarfangel: But collisions are paid for by drivers and insurance companies, while government gets that sweet camera loot.
tallguywithglasseson: Replace them all with roundabouts!//runs
Pocket Ninja: Would you seriously, subby, weigh a little bit of property damage, a bent fender, against these two shattered lives. What's one million dollars when compared to infinite suffering and shattered lives? Next time, remember Mr. Macavoy's sad tale before you post.
Eddie Adams from Torrance: tallguywithglasseson: Replace them all with roundabouts!//runsWorks for me. There are several still in use near here (Along NY6 and the Palisades Pkwy) I remember the ones in Wayne on Route 23 too. They worked amazingly well considering that they were full of NJ drivers.They'd work even better if driver education and training in the USA wasn't such a farking joke.
Slaxl: tallguywithglasseson: Replace them all with roundabouts!//runsI love roundabouts.That is all.
ZAZ: like taking a list of injury accidents and throwing out rear-enders because they don't usually cause injury
Drakin020: Increase in rear collision because people are driving to fast, but how many seriously accidents have been reduced? (T-bones, etc)No no that would hint at the red light cameras working, and we can't have that here on Fark.
Jument: Putting aside the issue of whether or not cameras are good, people who slam on their brakes and cause a collision because of red light cameras ARE FARKING IDIOTS.Do you really think risking the destruction of your car and your health is worth it to avoid a petty ticket? Grow a brain, morans.
Gig103: Snarfangel: But collisions are paid for by drivers and insurance companies, while government gets that sweet camera loot.Yup. Around here (AZ) I watch idiots tap their brakes on green lights "just in case" it's about to turn yellow. I had to do an emergency stop from 50mph because the yellow at a particular intersection isn't long enough (no surprise there either).
max_pooper: If you travel at the legally allotted sleep limit and pay attention you should never be put in a position to have to choose from slamming on the breaks and having the person behind you ram into you or run a red light.
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Rear ends typically aren't fatal. 90 degree crashes (the kind that result from red light running) typically are.
Contribution Corsair: PocketNinja improves my day.And is it bad that I took his tale as a reason why we should allow more speeding to teach kids to stay out of the street?I think all the time on the politics tab is blackening my heart.
DubyaHater: Perhaps you shouldn't speed and tailgate people. Typically, if one follows traffic laws, the risk of an accident is minimal.
Pocket Ninja: No, the real question is how many countless lives have actually been saved by this. Consider this scenario:Bobby Ericson, 9, is playing in his yard. He kicks the softball and runs out into the street to retrieve it. What he doesn't know is that Douglas Macavoy, 34, is speeding up the residential street, which has a 25-mile-per-hour limit, at 43 miles per hour. Mr. Macavoy is going that fast because he just finished running the red light at the previous intersection, which had started turning yellow even as he approached it. However, seeing no camera on the pole, he floored the accelerator and ran the light. Now, as he rounds the Pete's Plumbing van parked on the curve, he's shocked to find little sandy-haired Bobby crouching in the street right in front of him. And, splat, just like that, two lives are irreparably destroyed -- Bobby is paralyzed from the neck down for the rest of his life. Mr. Macavoy is in jail. His wife leaves him after a few months after starting an affair with his probation officer. She takes his children. Despondent, alone, he attempts to take his own life by jumping out a window in a ramshackle motel, but he lands on a pedestrian and breaks her neck. Now he's in jail again, only for murder this time. And all he can think on those long nights as he's gripped in Bubba's sweaty embrace is: If only I had stopped for that light. If only there had been a camera, I would have stopped for that life.Would you seriously, subby, weigh a little bit of property damage, a bent fender, against these two shattered lives. What's one million dollars when compared to infinite suffering and shattered lives? Next time, remember Mr. Macavoy's sad tale before you post.
ringersol: Revenue boost *and* localized economic stimulus? Brilliant!
moothemagiccow: DubyaHater: Perhaps you shouldn't speed and tailgate people. Typically, if one follows traffic laws, the risk of an accident is minimal.The yellow light duration is reduced and people are either terrified of running the red or anxious to make the light on green and yellow. The combination is not good. They're also inexplicably slow in moving forward on the green, but that's normal.
Gig103: I had to do an emergency stop from 50mph because the yellow at a particular intersection isn't long enough
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