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ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  
Good.

27 Nov 2012 03:08 PM
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dv-ous     
Ugh. He's a bastard, but that's a shiatty way to go.

27 Nov 2012 03:09 PM
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Rapmaster2000    [TotalFark]  
consisting of various sessions of hyperbaric oxygen therapy that along with physiotherapy will continue to consolidate the process of recovery."

This sounds more like easing the pain of a slow death.

27 Nov 2012 03:13 PM
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dabbletech     
www.omomisha.com

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27 Nov 2012 03:13 PM
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macadamnut     
If we don't stop the Reds in _____________, tomorrow they will be in _____________, and next week they will be in _____________.

27 Nov 2012 03:13 PM
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ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Well except Fidel....Oh and Bashar al-Assad....and Joseph Kony...yeah.....Oh and Robert Mugabe & his buddy Omar al-Bashir and Sexiest Best Leader Kim Jong Un

27 Nov 2012 03:14 PM
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KellyX     

dv-ous: Ugh. He's a bastard, but that's a shiatty way to go.


Don't care, he can go fark himself!

27 Nov 2012 03:15 PM
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illannoyin     

KellyX: dv-ous: Ugh. He's a bastard, but that's a shiatty way to go.

Don't care, he can go fark himself!


Or, maybe castro can help him with that too...

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27 Nov 2012 03:19 PM
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TheBigJerk     
Sounds terminal.

I also suspect that, as an active politician, he made his chances worse by not following doctor's orders whenever he thought he could get away with it.

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Of course, with the lies and spin all you can really do is guess at his situation.

27 Nov 2012 03:19 PM
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Rapmaster2000    [TotalFark]  

ChipNASA: Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Well except Fidel....Oh and Bashar al-Assad....and Joseph Kony...yeah.....Oh and Robert Mugabe & his buddy Omar al-Bashir and Sexiest Best Leader Kim Jong Un


Oh, so it's OK with you that Isais Afewerki, Islam Karimov, U Thein Sein, and Gurbanguly Berdymukahmmedov just walk around without cancer then, huh?

Typical bleeding heart.

27 Nov 2012 03:19 PM
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Lupine Chemist     
If this messes up our PDVSA contracts and my trips to Venezuela, I'll be pissed.

27 Nov 2012 03:20 PM
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Doom MD     
No word on what type of cancer it is? Also, hyperbaric oxygen? For cancer? No wonder he isn't getting cured.

27 Nov 2012 03:21 PM
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signaljammer     
Actually, he's a great guy who has improved the life of his country's underclass greatly. Also, he is a democrat, unlike the CIA.

27 Nov 2012 03:22 PM
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ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  

Rapmaster2000: ChipNASA: Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Well except Fidel....Oh and Bashar al-Assad....and Joseph Kony...yeah.....Oh and Robert Mugabe & his buddy Omar al-Bashir and Sexiest Best Leader Kim Jong Un

Oh, so it's OK with you that Isais Afewerki, Islam Karimov, U Thein Sein, and Gurbanguly Berdymukahmmedov just walk around without cancer then, huh?

Typical bleeding heart.


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Gurbanguly Berdymukahmmedov???

OK now you're just making shiat up. there is NO WAY someone is named..........

/ :-D

27 Nov 2012 03:22 PM
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capt.hollister     
I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

27 Nov 2012 03:24 PM
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Rapmaster2000    [TotalFark]  

ChipNASA: Rapmaster2000: ChipNASA: Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Well except Fidel....Oh and Bashar al-Assad....and Joseph Kony...yeah.....Oh and Robert Mugabe & his buddy Omar al-Bashir and Sexiest Best Leader Kim Jong Un

Oh, so it's OK with you that Isais Afewerki, Islam Karimov, U Thein Sein, and Gurbanguly Berdymukahmmedov just walk around without cancer then, huh?

Typical bleeding heart.

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Gurbanguly Berdymukahmmedov???

OK now you're just making shiat up. there is NO WAY someone is named..........

/ :-D


If I was that dictator I would have my goons stop peasants on the street and say "Pop quiz, hotshot! Spell my name!"

27 Nov 2012 03:24 PM
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YixilTesiphon     

signaljammer: he's a great guy who has improved the life of his country's underclass greatly


Life is better when you can't buy toilet paper.

27 Nov 2012 03:25 PM
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Rapmaster2000    [TotalFark]  

capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.


He's definitely not as bad as Isais Afewerki, but no one in America has even heard of Eritrea. You know how this works.

27 Nov 2012 03:27 PM
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Fark Rye For Many Whores     
Still no cure for Commie.

27 Nov 2012 03:30 PM
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Doom MD     

capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.


Fomenting class warfare, outright propery theft from citizens, allowing the murder rate to skyrocket, rampant corruption, etc. Part of my family lives in Caracas and the quality of life for them has taken an enormous turn for the worst. When I was a child the streets were generally safe to walk around in most neighbrohoods. Now as an adult I wouldn't walk them without a firearm and a damn good reason.

27 Nov 2012 03:32 PM
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macadamnut     

capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.


Same reason as the Castro hate. Charges money for commodities the US used to get for free.

27 Nov 2012 03:32 PM
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ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  

Rapmaster2000: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

He's definitely not as bad as Isais Afewerki, but no one in America has even heard of Eritrea. You know how this works.


OK now you're REALLY making shiat up...I mean Eritrea, there's no country called Eritrea...I mean I bet it's it's right next to Farkistan and Greater Sharpkneealick oh and it borders Strong Badia.

27 Nov 2012 03:34 PM
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Rapmaster2000    [TotalFark]  

ChipNASA: Rapmaster2000: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

He's definitely not as bad as Isais Afewerki, but no one in America has even heard of Eritrea. You know how this works.

OK now you're REALLY making shiat up...I mean Eritrea, there's no country called Eritrea...I mean I bet it's it's right next to Farkistan and Greater Sharpkneealick oh and it borders Strong Badia.


Wait until you hear about the 55 million people starving in a place called "Myanmar". The CIA says this country doesn't even exist.

27 Nov 2012 03:40 PM
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YixilTesiphon     

macadamnut: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

Same reason as the Castro hate. Charges money for commodities the US used to get for free.


I think the embargo is the biggest favor we can do for Castro, but you do realize these governments are pretty evil, right?

27 Nov 2012 03:44 PM
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Holocaust Agnostic     
Mmmm. Smell that cappy butthurt.

27 Nov 2012 03:44 PM
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Holocaust Agnostic     

YixilTesiphon: macadamnut: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

Same reason as the Castro hate. Charges money for commodities the US used to get for free.

I think the embargo is the biggest favor we can do for Castro, but you do realize these governments are pretty evil, right?


Wake me when either one catches up to the kill count of the USG..

27 Nov 2012 03:49 PM
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ArkPanda     
Chavez has basically shut down or driven out every other industry in Venezuela except for oil extraction. He's put a lot of the oil money into social spending, so he was genuinely popular with the poor for a while. Venezuela's oil is very low grade so refinieries would rather use other sources if they are available. When the price of oil came down a few years ago, the money stopped coming in and the people started turning against him. His popularity is directly linked to the price of oil.

TL;DR When you ride alone, you ride with Chavez.

27 Nov 2012 03:54 PM
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ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  

Rapmaster2000: ChipNASA: Rapmaster2000: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

He's definitely not as bad as Isais Afewerki, but no one in America has even heard of Eritrea. You know how this works.

OK now you're REALLY making shiat up...I mean Eritrea, there's no country called Eritrea...I mean I bet it's it's right next to Farkistan and Greater Sharpkneealick oh and it borders Strong Badia.

Wait until you hear about the 55 million people starving in a place called "Myanmar". The CIA says this country doesn't even exist.


OK see you just outed yourself. You are *really, *really* Really, making shiat up. I mean, Myanmar. it's that the place they make those shiny balloons or is that they naval Base in California where they Shot Top Gun.
55 million people. Hell, that's impossible, there probably ain't 55 million folks in ALL of the US.
/I mean, if the CIA says so....it's got to be right, right?!?!?

27 Nov 2012 03:55 PM
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theflatline    [TotalFark]  

capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.


I see you have never been to Venezuela. I was in Caracas in 2000, and in 2011, and it was even a bigger shiathole a decade later.

The country has to buy 70 percent of it's food from Colombia because they are not producing their own.

He also spent a ton of money buying old munitions from the Russians and threatened to roll into Colombia like a boss, when he realized that not only does Colombia have a standing army that is well feed, extremely patriotic, but have been combat hardened over the last 50 years with fighting farc. Plus the US is an ally and would step in.

He is a third world despot at it's finest.

27 Nov 2012 04:00 PM
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macadamnut     

YixilTesiphon: I think the embargo is the biggest favor we can do for Castro, but you do realize these governments are pretty evil, right?


I think a bigger favor we could have done for Castro would have been to act as a force for democracy and social justice in this hemisphere at some point in our history. But if we had, there wouldn't be any Castro, would there?

27 Nov 2012 04:01 PM
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theflatline    [TotalFark]  

Doom MD: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

Fomenting class warfare, outright propery theft from citizens, allowing the murder rate to skyrocket, rampant corruption, etc. Part of my family lives in Caracas and the quality of life for them has taken an enormous turn for the worst. When I was a child the streets were generally safe to walk around in most neighbrohoods. Now as an adult I wouldn't walk them without a firearm and a damn good reason.



Dude, when I was there last year it felt worse than Mexico City or Medellin in 1989.

27 Nov 2012 04:02 PM
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Rapmaster2000    [TotalFark]  

ArkPanda: Chavez has basically shut down or driven out every other industry in Venezuela except for oil extraction. He's put a lot of the oil money into social spending, so he was genuinely popular with the poor for a while. Venezuela's oil is very low grade so refinieries would rather use other sources if they are available. When the price of oil came down a few years ago, the money stopped coming in and the people started turning against him. His popularity is directly linked to the price of oil


Actually, you've got that backwards. As prices rise, the subsidies Chavez must supply to keep gas costs down rises as well. PDVSA gets more inefficient with the promotion of every crony such that higher oil prices drain coffers faster than lower prices. At very high prices, there isn't enough money coming in to cover the subsidy, but the subsidy is maintained.

27 Nov 2012 04:06 PM
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YixilTesiphon     

macadamnut: But if we had, there wouldn't be any Castro, would there?


Pretty much, and I agree, all of the US's interventions in Latin America were despicable. Yet another reason to hate Woodrow Wilson.

27 Nov 2012 04:07 PM
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corronchilejano     
+1 for headline subby.

As much as I hate the bastard, it's undeniable Venezuela is doing better with him.

27 Nov 2012 04:14 PM
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ArkPanda     

Rapmaster2000: ArkPanda: Chavez has basically shut down or driven out every other industry in Venezuela except for oil extraction. He's put a lot of the oil money into social spending, so he was genuinely popular with the poor for a while. Venezuela's oil is very low grade so refinieries would rather use other sources if they are available. When the price of oil came down a few years ago, the money stopped coming in and the people started turning against him. His popularity is directly linked to the price of oil

Actually, you've got that backwards. As prices rise, the subsidies Chavez must supply to keep gas costs down rises as well. PDVSA gets more inefficient with the promotion of every crony such that higher oil prices drain coffers faster than lower prices. At very high prices, there isn't enough money coming in to cover the subsidy, but the subsidy is maintained.


Well I was thinking of everything, not just gasoline. As noted above they have to import food and that's all being paid for with a shrinking pool of oil money.

27 Nov 2012 04:17 PM
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Doom MD     

theflatline: Doom MD: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

Fomenting class warfare, outright propery theft from citizens, allowing the murder rate to skyrocket, rampant corruption, etc. Part of my family lives in Caracas and the quality of life for them has taken an enormous turn for the worst. When I was a child the streets were generally safe to walk around in most neighbrohoods. Now as an adult I wouldn't walk them without a firearm and a damn good reason.


Dude, when I was there last year it felt worse than Mexico City or Medellin in 1989.


I absolutely 100% believe in the accuracy of what you're saying. It's heart-breaking for me that I've got family living like that. The useful idiots that turn out for Chavez have no idea what they're rooting for.

27 Nov 2012 04:18 PM
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Rapmaster2000    [TotalFark]  

ArkPanda: Rapmaster2000: ArkPanda: Chavez has basically shut down or driven out every other industry in Venezuela except for oil extraction. He's put a lot of the oil money into social spending, so he was genuinely popular with the poor for a while. Venezuela's oil is very low grade so refinieries would rather use other sources if they are available. When the price of oil came down a few years ago, the money stopped coming in and the people started turning against him. His popularity is directly linked to the price of oil

Actually, you've got that backwards. As prices rise, the subsidies Chavez must supply to keep gas costs down rises as well. PDVSA gets more inefficient with the promotion of every crony such that higher oil prices drain coffers faster than lower prices. At very high prices, there isn't enough money coming in to cover the subsidy, but the subsidy is maintained.

Well I was thinking of everything, not just gasoline. As noted above they have to import food and that's all being paid for with a shrinking pool of oil money.


Right right. It's definitely an economic house of cards. There's very little investment in future earnings. It's like milking a goat that you give smaller and smaller amounts of feed.

27 Nov 2012 04:22 PM
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Spare Me    [TotalFark]  

Doom MD: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

Fomenting class warfare, outright propery theft from citizens, allowing the murder rate to skyrocket, rampant corruption, etc. Part of my family lives in Caracas and the quality of life for them has taken an enormous turn for the worst. When I was a child the streets were generally safe to walk around in most neighbrohoods. Now as an adult I wouldn't walk them without a firearm and a damn good reason.


Not to mention he Nationalized the oil and cement industries there, and who knows what else. American and Mexican companies lost a shiat ton of billions when he did that. I think it's still tied up in the World Court.

27 Nov 2012 04:29 PM
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downstairs    [TotalFark]  
If anyone need proof Venezuela is a craphole:
 
Their friggin' President needs to go to Cuba for medical treatment.

27 Nov 2012 04:31 PM
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Poo_Fight     

Holocaust Agnostic: YixilTesiphon: macadamnut: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

Same reason as the Castro hate. Charges money for commodities the US used to get for free.

I think the embargo is the biggest favor we can do for Castro, but you do realize these governments are pretty evil, right?

Wake me when either one catches up to the kill count of the USG..


Nothing going on in /b/?

27 Nov 2012 04:52 PM
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bikerbob59     
I laughed. +1.

27 Nov 2012 05:08 PM
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Xenomech     
upload.wikimedia.org

27 Nov 2012 05:16 PM
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deanayer     
I wish it was cancer of the face but I will settle for raging ass cancer.

27 Nov 2012 05:39 PM
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TheBigJerk     

downstairs: If anyone need proof Venezuela is a craphole:
 
Their friggin' President needs to go to Cuba for medical treatment.


Cuba has basically the best hospitals in the Western Hemisphere* and pounds a lot of money and effort into it. There's a reason they've beaten me several times in Pandemic even after I had managed to get Madagascar.

*south of the United States' southern borders

27 Nov 2012 05:55 PM
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TheBigJerk     

theflatline: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

I see you have never been to Venezuela. I was in Caracas in 2000, and in 2011, and it was even a bigger shiathole a decade later.

The country has to buy 70 percent of it's food from Colombia because they are not producing their own.

He also spent a ton of money buying old munitions from the Russians and threatened to roll into Colombia like a boss, when he realized that not only does Colombia have a standing army that is well feed, extremely patriotic, but have been combat hardened over the last 50 years with fighting farc. Plus the US is an ally and would step in.

He is a third world despot at it's finest.


It's a bit more complicated than that. But not much.

Thing is he *did* do some good for the country; literacy is up, the nation has more autonomy than it used to, but he wastes way too much in resources and social stability keeping a death grip on his power.

27 Nov 2012 06:01 PM
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olddinosaur     
I am sure we are all hoping ardently for that poor innocent cancer to be cured of the horrible malignancy with which it has been afflicted.

27 Nov 2012 07:58 PM
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Doom MD     

TheBigJerk: theflatline: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

I see you have never been to Venezuela. I was in Caracas in 2000, and in 2011, and it was even a bigger shiathole a decade later.

The country has to buy 70 percent of it's food from Colombia because they are not producing their own.

He also spent a ton of money buying old munitions from the Russians and threatened to roll into Colombia like a boss, when he realized that not only does Colombia have a standing army that is well feed, extremely patriotic, but have been combat hardened over the last 50 years with fighting farc. Plus the US is an ally and would step in.

He is a third world despot at it's finest.

It's a bit more complicated than that. But not much.

Thing is he *did* do some good for the country; literacy is up, the nation has more autonomy than it used to, but he wastes way too much in resources and social stability keeping a death grip on his power.


Stalin made the trains run on time

27 Nov 2012 08:35 PM
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corq    [TotalFark]  

dabbletech: [www.omomisha.com image 454x512]

The race is on!


I think I have both these guys in my rotten.com deadpool; put up or shaddup, I say.

27 Nov 2012 11:39 PM
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Holocaust Agnostic     

Doom MD: TheBigJerk: theflatline: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

I see you have never been to Venezuela. I was in Caracas in 2000, and in 2011, and it was even a bigger shiathole a decade later.

The country has to buy 70 percent of it's food from Colombia because they are not producing their own.

He also spent a ton of money buying old munitions from the Russians and threatened to roll into Colombia like a boss, when he realized that not only does Colombia have a standing army that is well feed, extremely patriotic, but have been combat hardened over the last 50 years with fighting farc. Plus the US is an ally and would step in.

He is a third world despot at it's finest.

It's a bit more complicated than that. But not much.

Thing is he *did* do some good for the country; literacy is up, the nation has more autonomy than it used to, but he wastes way too much in resources and social stability keeping a death grip on his power.

Stalin made the trains run on time


Closing a few radio stations and peppering some crowds with rubber bullets is hardly the moral equivalent of letting millions starve to death to keep building factories instead. Also, its typically Mussolini who "made trains run on time". If you wanted to use Stalin for your "bad guys doing some good stuff" example you should maybe mention stopping Hitler. Course that's kind huge and might bring out a little "uhhhh, maybe kinda worth it?" in your audience.(personally, I think its just pushing the question one step further away but ymmv)

27 Nov 2012 11:59 PM
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TheBigJerk     

Holocaust Agnostic: Doom MD: TheBigJerk: theflatline: capt.hollister: I don't get all the Chavez hate. Sure, he's a socialist megalomaniac who hates the West in general and the US in particular, but he's hardly one of history's bad guys.

I see you have never been to Venezuela. I was in Caracas in 2000, and in 2011, and it was even a bigger shiathole a decade later.

The country has to buy 70 percent of it's food from Colombia because they are not producing their own.

He also spent a ton of money buying old munitions from the Russians and threatened to roll into Colombia like a boss, when he realized that not only does Colombia have a standing army that is well feed, extremely patriotic, but have been combat hardened over the last 50 years with fighting farc. Plus the US is an ally and would step in.

He is a third world despot at it's finest.

It's a bit more complicated than that. But not much.

Thing is he *did* do some good for the country; literacy is up, the nation has more autonomy than it used to, but he wastes way too much in resources and social stability keeping a death grip on his power.

Stalin made the trains run on time

Closing a few radio stations and peppering some crowds with rubber bullets is hardly the moral equivalent of letting millions starve to death to keep building factories instead. Also, its typically Mussolini who "made trains run on time". If you wanted to use Stalin for your "bad guys doing some good stuff" example you should maybe mention stopping Hitler. Course that's kind huge and might bring out a little "uhhhh, maybe kinda worth it?" in your audience.(personally, I think its just pushing the question one step further away but ymmv)


If memory serves, a lotta those starvation deaths were because Stalin hated their "kind." One of those "how can you white people tell who you're supposed to hate" situations.

Thing is if you can get past "Chavez is evil and everything he does is evil" it's an interesting study. Like the Chavistas, his army of poorly-educated fanatically-devoted peasants that do all his voter suppression and political thuggery for him with minimal executive control. The nationalizing of the oil industry and its ups and downs (there were both, despite what some want to believe). And he's legitimately popular. Stupid or not, the people like him and believe in his particular brand of bullshiat. He may be a bad leader but he's THEIR leader, by popular choice.

The details are interesting, but more than that they are important. His posturing towards Colombia? He was never stupid enough to invade, he was making noise to A: gin up his supporters and B: keep Colombia from contemplating cross-the-border raids. The hypothetical raids? Chavez has back-room dealings with FARC and Colombia had good reason to not like that.

28 Nov 2012 01:24 AM
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