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ChipNASA    [TotalFark]  
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28 Nov 2012 09:28 AM
Photoshop This     
I sure am glad my hometown can rise above only being known for the Lizzie Borden ax murders.

28 Nov 2012 09:28 AM
BitwiseShift     
King of planet Rodney? Where's the video.

28 Nov 2012 09:30 AM
Englebert Slaptyback     

never having to say "I'm sorry for that dead body in the pool"


Bond: "Exceptionally fine shot."

Thug: "I didn't know there was a pool down there."

28 Nov 2012 09:34 AM
fnordest     
After being off work for 13 months, he could not comment on the story because he was "on vacation".

WTF

28 Nov 2012 09:39 AM
The Angry Hand of God     
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28 Nov 2012 09:43 AM
Deep Contact     
Pool was cloudy from the body blocking filter intake. Just remove body and your good to go.

28 Nov 2012 09:45 AM
sodomizer     
When asked about the basis of the decision, the worker's lawyer said, "Mr. Casavant as a city inspector had no jurisdiction over the state-run pool."

As much as I hate unions for good reason, this seems like a case of bureaucratic bungle. I think everyone involved should be fired for not escalating this obvious problem.

28 Nov 2012 09:49 AM
maddogdelta     
TFA
Casavant had no jurisdiction over the state-run pool handled by the Department of Conservation and Recreation, according to the ruling.

So, subtard, being part of a union really means that if you are fired unjustly, there are people who have your back and will work to get you your job back.

If you're not part of a union, then the supervisor who really was responsible can fire you as a scapegoat and you are eternally screwed.

28 Nov 2012 09:50 AM
Geotpf     
I love the technical reason for the reinstatement-officially, the city had no juristiction over the state-run pool, but nobody knew this at the time. Since he had no juristiction of the pool, the fact that his inspection missed the dead body couldn't be held against him since he wasn't supposed to be inspecting the pool in the first place.

28 Nov 2012 09:51 AM
keylock71     
The pool is state-run, not city run.

Don't get me wrong, this whole thing was horrible. Obviously, someone wasn't doing their job, but it does look like this guy was wrongfully terminated.

/Fall Riverite

28 Nov 2012 09:53 AM
TV's Vinnie     
Unions are bad. Unions! GRRRRRR!!!

A union turned me into a newt!

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28 Nov 2012 09:55 AM
keylock71     
I would also say the main people to blame for this are the Life Guards, their direct supervisors, and the folks responsible for maintaining the pool.

I used to swim at that pool when I was a kid. It was actually a well run and clean facility back in the 70s.

28 Nov 2012 09:56 AM
Oliver Twisted     

keylock71: The pool is state-run, not city run.

Don't get me wrong, this whole thing was horrible. Obviously, someone wasn't doing their job, but it does look like this guy was wrongfully terminated.

/Fall Riverite


Read carefully. He thought he was responsible and actually performed an inspection while a dead body was in the pool but somehow that minor detail escaped his inspection. Skills somewhere in the "Springfield Cop" level.

28 Nov 2012 09:58 AM
Headso    [TotalFark]  

Oliver Twisted: keylock71: The pool is state-run, not city run.

Don't get me wrong, this whole thing was horrible. Obviously, someone wasn't doing their job, but it does look like this guy was wrongfully terminated.

/Fall Riverite

Read carefully. He thought he was responsible and actually performed an inspection while a dead body was in the pool but somehow that minor detail escaped his inspection. Skills somewhere in the "Springfield Cop" level.


He probably inspected the pool from his lazy boy in his living room.

28 Nov 2012 10:00 AM
Molavian     

keylock71: Obviously, someone wasn't doing their job, but it does look like this guy was wrongfully terminated.


He gave a pool with a dead body in it a passing score on his inspection.

Public sector unions at their finest.

28 Nov 2012 10:06 AM
Walker    [TotalFark]  

Oliver Twisted: keylock71: The pool is state-run, not city run.

Don't get me wrong, this whole thing was horrible. Obviously, someone wasn't doing their job, but it does look like this guy was wrongfully terminated.

/Fall Riverite

Read carefully. He thought he was responsible and actually performed an inspection while a dead body was in the pool but somehow that minor detail escaped his inspection. Skills somewhere in the "Springfield Cop" level.


That's some fine pool inspection work there Lou
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28 Nov 2012 10:06 AM
eKonk     

Molavian: keylock71: Obviously, someone wasn't doing their job, but it does look like this guy was wrongfully terminated.

He gave a pool with a dead body in it a passing score on his inspection.

Public sector unions at their finest.


This. The guy has proven he is completely incompetent. Whether it was his job to inspect that particular pool doesn't change the fact that a pool he inspected had a dead body in it that he failed to notice. Proven incompetence is justifiable grounds for termination (or at least should be).

28 Nov 2012 10:09 AM
kokomo61    [TotalFark]  

Headso: Oliver Twisted: keylock71: The pool is state-run, not city run.

Don't get me wrong, this whole thing was horrible. Obviously, someone wasn't doing their job, but it does look like this guy was wrongfully terminated.

/Fall Riverite

Read carefully. He thought he was responsible and actually performed an inspection while a dead body was in the pool but somehow that minor detail escaped his inspection. Skills somewhere in the "Springfield Cop" level.

He probably inspected the pool from his lazy boy in his living room.


Probably true. If you can't see 12 feet down in a (even poorly) filtered swimming pool, you're not looking. That being said, how did the lifeguards miss this for TWO DAYS? Every lifeguard I've known (and I used to be one too), had to check the pH of the water once an hour, and every chair shift change (at 20-30 minutes), the person coming on had to scan the pool before getting in the chair.

28 Nov 2012 10:09 AM
Beeblebrox    [TotalFark]  

sodomizer: When asked about the basis of the decision, the worker's lawyer said, "Mr. Casavant as a city inspector had no jurisdiction over the state-run pool."

As much as I hate unions for good reason, this seems like a case of bureaucratic bungle. I think everyone involved should be fired for not escalating this obvious problem.


My outrage faded as soon as I read the above statement. Nothing to see here.

28 Nov 2012 10:10 AM
KFBR392     

maddogdelta: TFA
Casavant had no jurisdiction over the state-run pool handled by the Department of Conservation and Recreation, according to the ruling.

So, subtard, being part of a union really means that if you are fired unjustly, there are people who have your back and will work to get you your job back.

If you're not part of a union, then the supervisor who really was responsible can fire you as a scapegoat and you are eternally screwed.


I'm not sure if you're trolling or you suck that bad at reading comprehension.

"Officials said Casavant had inspected the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Pool on June 28, 2011, at Lafayette Park and wrote that the water was cloudy. He approved a permit that was not issued, officials said."

"Joseph, 36, of Reuben Street, drowned on June 26, 2011, and her body sank to the 12-foot deep part of the pool, where it eventually floated to the surface two days later, after the June 28 inspection, officials said."


So....putting it all together,

1. person drowns on June 26, 2011
2. Casavant inspected the pool on June 28, 2011
3. AFTER THE INSPECTION, Casavant approves the permit
4. the then body floated to the surface
5. Casavant was rightfully told to go the F&%k home
6. Casavant gets back pay and/or his job back because hey...lots of people could have missed a dead body at the bottom of a pool during a pool inspection...it's not like he was a pool inspector.

28 Nov 2012 10:10 AM
Oliver Twisted     

Walker: Oliver Twisted: keylock71: The pool is state-run, not city run.

Don't get me wrong, this whole thing was horrible. Obviously, someone wasn't doing their job, but it does look like this guy was wrongfully terminated.

/Fall Riverite

Read carefully. He thought he was responsible and actually performed an inspection while a dead body was in the pool but somehow that minor detail escaped his inspection. Skills somewhere in the "Springfield Cop" level.

That's some fine pool inspection work there Lou
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That's why I like Fark. Someone is always there to pick up the ball and move it forward.

28 Nov 2012 10:11 AM
Electromax     
Legalities aside, how creepy would it be to know you went swimming on June 27th when there was a dead body in the pool and the water was too cloudy to see a DEAD BODY IN IT.

I don't remember if this is the same story, but there was one about some kids who broke in for a midnight swim and a body floated to the top after they stirred it up, I'm pretty sure it's the same case. Would never swim again.

Also I keep thinking about that one scene in Sinister. Those home movies creeped me the hell out.

28 Nov 2012 10:13 AM
sodomizer     

maddogdelta: So, subtard, being part of a union really means that if you are fired unjustly, there are people who have your back and will work to get you your job back.


At a cost of an increased 50% to the company and consumers. You could achieve the same result with a lawsuit for under 1% increased cost.

28 Nov 2012 10:15 AM
someonelse     

Molavian: keylock71: Obviously, someone wasn't doing their job, but it does look like this guy was wrongfully terminated.

He gave a pool with a dead body in it a passing score on his inspection.

Public sector unions at their finest.


They guy should have been fired. And the union defending him on the basis of a technicality is shady at best. But don't pretend that laziness and blanket incompetence aren't regularly and systematically rewarded in the private sector, too.

28 Nov 2012 10:15 AM
Molavian     

KFBR392: So....putting it all together,

1. person drowns on June 26, 2011
2. Casavant inspected the pool on June 28, 2011
3. AFTER THE INSPECTION, Casavant approves the permit
4. the then body floated to the surface
5. Casavant was rightfully told to go the F&%k home
6. Casavant gets back pay and/or his job back because hey...lots of people could have missed a dead body at the bottom of a pool during a pool inspection...it's not like he was a pool inspector.


Technically, it wasn't his responsibility to notice the corpse in bottom of the pool because his job title is City Sanitary Inspector and not Dead Body Floating In The Pool Inspector.

28 Nov 2012 10:18 AM
BarkingUnicorn     

fnordest: After being off work for 13 months, he could not comment on the story because he was "on vacation".

WTF


He was rehired in August and "made whole," which would include vacation time as well as back pay.

28 Nov 2012 10:18 AM
someonelse     

Electromax: Legalities aside, how creepy would it be to know you went swimming on June 27th when there was a dead body in the pool and the water was too cloudy to see a DEAD BODY IN IT.


No kidding. A mouse or chipmunk drowned in my rainbarrel last summer, and I was gagging from the stench when I dealt with that. I could smell it when I walked by; that's how I discovered it. I can't imagine how bad a body in a stagnant pool would smell.

28 Nov 2012 10:21 AM
darth_badger     
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State pool.

28 Nov 2012 10:23 AM
vincentfox     
What about the LIFEGUARD?

28 Nov 2012 10:26 AM
Englebert Slaptyback     

vincentfox


What about the LIFEGUARD?


Not his responsibility to look after a DEAD body.

28 Nov 2012 10:29 AM
CandidCallie     
It seems like some of you have never had to perform maintance on an inground swimming pool.

Certain types of pools have finishes that contain minerals. When the pH of the water in the pool increases, the minerals can leach out of the finish and the water takes on an opaque quality. Muriatic acid lowers the pH and the water becomes clear again.

Then again, maybe the water in the pool was just nasty from algae or kiddies peeing in it...

28 Nov 2012 10:29 AM
BarkingUnicorn     
The body was down there for several days. How many people didn't see it, both employees and the public? That pool must have been as "cloudy" as milk. The inspector's job evidently did not entail scuba gear and sonar.

I lay it on the state, not the city inspector. Pool should have been close and drained long before he showed up.

28 Nov 2012 10:30 AM
someonelse     

vincentfox: What about the LIFEGUARD?


From a 2011 story about it: n a separate interview with The Associated Press, Reis said Joseph and a 9-year-old boy in the group went into the pool from a slide. After they splashed into the water, the boy noticed that Joseph hadn't come back up, Reis said.

"He got up to the water and went to go tell the lifeguard," said Reis, who talked to the 9-year-old afterward. "The lifeguard said he was going to do a pool check. ... They never did that. They never did anything."


Now for the good part:

Joseph was found floating in the pool Tuesday at 10 p.m. by a group of teenagers who jumped the locked fence to get into the pool area after it was closed.

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28 Nov 2012 10:34 AM
fnordest     

BarkingUnicorn: fnordest: After being off work for 13 months, he could not comment on the story because he was "on vacation".

WTF

He was rehired in August and "made whole," which would include vacation time as well as back pay.


Granted, but after being off work for so long, I wouldn't be needing a vacation for a while.

/side note: I hate those "use it or lose it" vacation plans

28 Nov 2012 10:35 AM
pantojar    [TotalFark]  

BarkingUnicorn: The body was down there for several days. How many people didn't see it, both employees and the public? That pool must have been as "cloudy" as milk. The inspector's job evidently did not entail scuba gear and sonar.

I lay it on the state, not the city inspector. Pool should have been close and drained long before he showed up.


This. I don't understand calling this guy incompetent. Dozens of people missed the body. It's a crazy story. That's why it's on fark. But I don't understand all of the outrage just because the guy got his job back.

28 Nov 2012 10:35 AM
rwfan     

Electromax: Legalities aside, how creepy would it be to know you went swimming on June 27th when there was a dead body in the pool and the water was too cloudy to see a DEAD BODY IN IT.

I don't remember if this is the same story, but there was one about some kids who broke in for a midnight swim and a body floated to the top after they stirred it up, I'm pretty sure it's the same case. Would never swim again.

Also I keep thinking about that one scene in Sinister. Those home movies creeped me the hell out.


Yup that is what happened except, as I remember it, the kids saw the body before they got into the pool. For two and a half days there was a body at the bottom of the pool and people were swimming in it. I am not surprised that the inspector did not see the body when people actually swimming in the pool didn't. The real WTF here was the woman was missing for two and a half days and was last seen at the pool and the woman's family or friends didn't report her missing.

28 Nov 2012 10:37 AM
Headso    [TotalFark]  

pantojar: BarkingUnicorn: The body was down there for several days. How many people didn't see it, both employees and the public? That pool must have been as "cloudy" as milk. The inspector's job evidently did not entail scuba gear and sonar.

I lay it on the state, not the city inspector. Pool should have been close and drained long before he showed up.

This. I don't understand calling this guy incompetent. Dozens of people missed the body. It's a crazy story. That's why it's on fark. But I don't understand all of the outrage just because the guy got his job back.


probably better to fire those dozen people too than give this guy his job back.

28 Nov 2012 10:39 AM
Geotpf     

KFBR392: maddogdelta: TFA
Casavant had no jurisdiction over the state-run pool handled by the Department of Conservation and Recreation, according to the ruling.

So, subtard, being part of a union really means that if you are fired unjustly, there are people who have your back and will work to get you your job back.

If you're not part of a union, then the supervisor who really was responsible can fire you as a scapegoat and you are eternally screwed.

I'm not sure if you're trolling or you suck that bad at reading comprehension.

"Officials said Casavant had inspected the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Pool on June 28, 2011, at Lafayette Park and wrote that the water was cloudy. He approved a permit that was not issued, officials said."

"Joseph, 36, of Reuben Street, drowned on June 26, 2011, and her body sank to the 12-foot deep part of the pool, where it eventually floated to the surface two days later, after the June 28 inspection, officials said."

So....putting it all together,

1. person drowns on June 26, 2011
2. Casavant inspected the pool on June 28, 2011
3. AFTER THE INSPECTION, Casavant approves the permit
4. the then body floated to the surface
5. Casavant was rightfully told to go the F&%k home
6. Casavant gets back pay and/or his job back because hey...lots of people could have missed a dead body at the bottom of a pool during a pool inspection...it's not like he was a pool inspector.


You got #6 wrong-it was:

6. Casavant gets back pay and his job back because the fact that he missing the body at the bottom of a pool during a pool inspection doesn't matter because he wasn't actually authorized to inspect that particular pool so the inspection never technically happened so he never technically missed the body at the bottom of the pool.

That is, if he was supposed to be inspecting that pool and missed the body he could have been fired, but since he wasn't actually supposed to be inspecting that pool, he couldn't be.

28 Nov 2012 10:42 AM
Profedius     
He should have his job back and should have never been fired in the first place. The Mayor targeted him as a fall guy so the people who were outraged had someone to focus their hate on. The man did not fail at his job in anyway; because the water was cloudy he could not see the bottom where the body was located at the time of inspection. This man was to inspect the pool and note any problems not to address those problems discovered even if a problem prevented a completion of his inspection.

28 Nov 2012 10:42 AM
pantojar    [TotalFark]  

Headso: pantojar: BarkingUnicorn: The body was down there for several days. How many people didn't see it, both employees and the public? That pool must have been as "cloudy" as milk. The inspector's job evidently did not entail scuba gear and sonar.

I lay it on the state, not the city inspector. Pool should have been close and drained long before he showed up.

This. I don't understand calling this guy incompetent. Dozens of people missed the body. It's a crazy story. That's why it's on fark. But I don't understand all of the outrage just because the guy got his job back.

probably better to fire those dozen people too than give this guy his job back.


Well maybe, but I was thinking of the people swimming in the pool. Or the people that came with this woman to the pool when she drowned in it.

28 Nov 2012 10:43 AM
Callous    [TotalFark]  

Molavian: KFBR392: So....putting it all together,

1. person drowns on June 26, 2011
2. Casavant inspected the pool on June 28, 2011
3. AFTER THE INSPECTION, Casavant approves the permit
4. the then body floated to the surface
5. Casavant was rightfully told to go the F&%k home
6. Casavant gets back pay and/or his job back because hey...lots of people could have missed a dead body at the bottom of a pool during a pool inspection...it's not like he was a pool inspector.

Technically, it wasn't his responsibility to notice the corpse in bottom of the pool because his job title is City Sanitary Inspector and not Dead Body Floating In The Pool Inspector.


You don't think that having a dead body in the pool is a sanitation issue?

28 Nov 2012 10:44 AM
Headso    [TotalFark]  

pantojar: Headso: pantojar: BarkingUnicorn: The body was down there for several days. How many people didn't see it, both employees and the public? That pool must have been as "cloudy" as milk. The inspector's job evidently did not entail scuba gear and sonar.

I lay it on the state, not the city inspector. Pool should have been close and drained long before he showed up.

This. I don't understand calling this guy incompetent. Dozens of people missed the body. It's a crazy story. That's why it's on fark. But I don't understand all of the outrage just because the guy got his job back.

probably better to fire those dozen people too than give this guy his job back.

Well maybe, but I was thinking of the people swimming in the pool. Or the people that came with this woman to the pool when she drowned in it.


but it's hard to create a snarky response if you include the nuance in your post.

28 Nov 2012 10:50 AM
eKonk     

pantojar: BarkingUnicorn: The body was down there for several days. How many people didn't see it, both employees and the public? That pool must have been as "cloudy" as milk. The inspector's job evidently did not entail scuba gear and sonar.

I lay it on the state, not the city inspector. Pool should have been close and drained long before he showed up.

This. I don't understand calling this guy incompetent. Dozens of people missed the body. It's a crazy story. That's why it's on fark. But I don't understand all of the outrage just because the guy got his job back.


I agree completely that the pool was in no state to be operated, which has nothing to do with this guy. And it was clearly easy to miss the body given the circumstances. But dozens of people were not there to inspect the pool

Lifeguards, pool maintenance workers, and most of all, the damned pool inspector all proved themselves to be incompetent. There is no way he can claim to have done a proper inspection of the pool if he missed a dead body in it and gave it a pass - if the pool was so cloudy a body couldn't be seen in it, it's not fit for swimming.

28 Nov 2012 10:52 AM
pantojar    [TotalFark]  

Callous: Molavian: KFBR392: So....putting it all together,

1. person drowns on June 26, 2011
2. Casavant inspected the pool on June 28, 2011
3. AFTER THE INSPECTION, Casavant approves the permit
4. the then body floated to the surface
5. Casavant was rightfully told to go the F&%k home
6. Casavant gets back pay and/or his job back because hey...lots of people could have missed a dead body at the bottom of a pool during a pool inspection...it's not like he was a pool inspector.

Technically, it wasn't his responsibility to notice the corpse in bottom of the pool because his job title is City Sanitary Inspector and not Dead Body Floating In The Pool Inspector.

You don't think that having a dead body in the pool is a sanitation issue?


Most certainly, but based on the fact that the woman was in there for two days without being noticed, even if the guy jumped in and swam around for a bit he might not have found her.

28 Nov 2012 10:52 AM
irsquareamads     

Englebert Slaptyback: vincentfox

What about the LIFEGUARD?


Not his responsibility to look after a DEAD body.


Yeah, no doubt, not like his job title is DEATHGUARD, i mean she was already dead, her life didnt need to be guarded any more. Technicalities, people.

28 Nov 2012 10:55 AM
pantojar    [TotalFark]  

irsquareamads: Englebert Slaptyback: vincentfox

What about the LIFEGUARD?


Not his responsibility to look after a DEAD body.

Yeah, no doubt, not like his job title is DEATHGUARD, i mean she was already dead, her life didnt need to be guarded any more. Technicalities, people.


Nice. Found a new name for my metal band.

28 Nov 2012 11:01 AM
Headso    [TotalFark]  

irsquareamads: Yeah, no doubt, not like his job title is DEATHGUARD


I think that's a CNA

28 Nov 2012 11:07 AM
SlothB77    [TotalFark]  

sodomizer: When asked about the basis of the decision, the worker's lawyer said, "Mr. Casavant as a city inspector had no jurisdiction over the state-run pool."

As much as I hate unions for good reason, this seems like a case of bureaucratic bungle. I think everyone involved should be fired for not escalating this obvious problem.


i get that pool wasn't his jurisdiction. He thought it was and he was sent to inspect it. He missed a freaking body in the pool. As a pool inspector, he is incompetent. would anyone here hire him as pool inspector for their city?

28 Nov 2012 11:12 AM
SlothB77    [TotalFark]  
I'd fire everyone who inspected the pool, all lifeguards too. I'd fire everyone.

28 Nov 2012 11:19 AM
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