'Murica.

Is the Obvious tag not working?

No sh*t.

I'll wager that countries that have a lot of doctors have more reported cases of diabetes as well, as do countries with more doctors, lawyers and maybe even Indian Chiefs.

Listen, and understand. Monsanto is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are morbidly obese.

yeah but the sample size for that study is necessarily limited.

i'd like to see the same diabetes rates lined up against consumption of simple carbohydrates and all carbohydrates.

Correlation is not causation

Therion: Is the Obvious tag not working?

Therion: Is the Obvious tag not working?

this !

New study finds that countries that use a lot of KFCS have more type 2 diabetics than countries that don't use as much KFCS

EvilEgg: Correlation is not causation

Logic? In a fark thread?

Get thee behind me, Satan!


/ couldn't agree more; none of that causation in the correlation

HakunaMatata: New study finds that countries that use a lot of KFCS have more type 2 diabetics than countries that don't use as much KFCS

Southpark already did that episode.

Kazan: Listen, and understand. Monsanto is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are morbidly obese.

It must have stopped in your case then

Countries with higher use of HFCS had an average prevalence of type 2 diabetes of 8 percent compared to 6.7 percent in countries not using HFCS.

"This research suggests that HFCS can increase the risk of type 2 diabetes

It doesn't suggest that at all.

said study co-author Professor Stanley Ulijaszek

Well that explains it then.

The rest of the article contains the same debunked crap about fructose that shows up in every "HFCS is evil" faux health article over the last 10 years.

I suspect the problem is too much over-sweetened junk food and too many calories, not HFCS specifically. Granted, corn syrup may be the worst offender, but good old-fashioned sugar or honey can cause just as much trouble if you eat it by the tub-full, and just about any source of excess calories will cause health problems eventually. Fruit also has fructose, but no-one is concerned about fruit intake because it is much harder to eat too much fruit than it is too drink too much soda or eat too many Twinkies.

Added Sugar is bad for you. ALL of it. That means cane sugar and HFC. The difference between the two is practically nil compared to what they BOTH will do to you when you are talking about the quantities most people consume.

Darn it! I meant "to drink too much soda."

But.... "Sugar is sugar!"

How about not putting sugar in every damned food product on the market? At this point I'm not even surprised when sugar or HFCS shows up on a random food label. It's craziness. That's why we have more of the diabeetus.

EvilEgg: Correlation is not causation

Oh hey, look! Someone said correlation is not causation. That means the two items can't possibly linked! We can all just close our browser windows and forget about this nonsense now.

Countries that use a lot of HFCS are countries where people eat a lot of processed food. People who eat processed food have little control over the nutritional value of the foods they eat. They are at the mercy of processed food industries which add sweeteners to increase market share. Whether that sweetener is HFCS, cane sugar or something else is mostly dictated by economics as well.

who says you cannot eat money?

TFA notes that Canada's HFCS use is "up there" but gives no actual figure for comparison. I can't see how it could be too high since I don't see HFCS listed as an ingredient in any products. It's not in ketchup, soda, candy bars, prepared sauces etc etc the way it seems to be in the USA.

Maybe I just don't buy crappy enough food.

mr_a: I'll wager that countries that have a lot of doctors have more reported cases of diabetes as well, as do countries with more doctors, lawyers and maybe even Indian Chiefs.

herp de derp

Shyla: But.... "Sugar is sugar!"

Your body doesn't know the .... diff... *thud*

Metalithic: I suspect the problem is too much over-sweetened junk food and too many calories, not HFCS specifically. Granted, corn syrup may be the worst offender, but good old-fashioned sugar or honey can cause just as much trouble if you eat it by the tub-full, and just about any source of excess calories will cause health problems eventually. Fruit also has fructose, but no-one is concerned about fruit intake because it is much harder to eat too much fruit than it is too drink too much soda or eat too many Twinkies.

Keep f*ckin' that HFCS chicken. Eating multiple times over the amount of simple carbohydrates that you should is going to result in diabetes. This isn't because of some mystical property of HFCS that has evaded chemists - it's because if you eat too many simple carbs in general you're going to develop insulin resistance. And yes, having a diet flooded with cheap simple carbs (which we have, thanks to HFCS) will have an increased rate of diabetes.

Get it right.

Metalithic:

I suspect the problem is too much over-sweetened junk food and too many calories, not HFCS specifically. Granted, corn syrup may be the worst offender, but good old-fashioned sugar or honey can cause just as much trouble if you eat it by the tub-full, and just about any source of excess calories will cause health problems eventually. Fruit also has fructose, but no-one is concerned about fruit intake because it is much harder to eat too much fruit than it is too drink too much soda or eat too many Twinkies.

I always figured "people who eat a farkton of sugar get sugar problems," although it does appear to my layman's eye that yeah, HFCS has some issues more than other sources of sugars.

But we are free, damn it! I would much rather have a higher risk of the type 2 wilford brimleys than live in some country where you can go to jail for offensive Facebook comments or even get your head cut off for insulting from sheep-farking prophet!

:-D

Wait.... A difference of 1.3%? This is news-worthy?

Metalithic: I suspect the problem is too much over-sweetened junk food and too many calories, not HFCS specifically. Granted, corn syrup may be the worst offender, but good old-fashioned sugar or honey can cause just as much trouble if you eat it by the tub-full, and just about any source of excess calories will cause health problems eventually. Fruit also has fructose, but no-one is concerned about fruit intake because it is much harder to eat too much fruit than it is too drink too much soda or eat too many Twinkies.

But when food manufacturers add HFCS to everything, then it becomes a problem.

/Read your labels sheeple!

iheartscotch: Get thee behind me, Satan!

Buttsecks?

EvilEgg: Correlation is not causation

So eat as much of that crap as you want?

Mock26:

But we are free, damn it! I would much rather have a higher risk of the type 2 wilford brimleys than live in some country where you can go to jail for offensive Facebook comments or even get your head cut off for insulting from sheep-farking prophet!

:-D

Is this the sort of thing you... check under your bed every night for?

GreatGlavinsGhost: Metalithic: I suspect the problem is too much over-sweetened junk food and too many calories, not HFCS specifically. Granted, corn syrup may be the worst offender, but good old-fashioned sugar or honey can cause just as much trouble if you eat it by the tub-full, and just about any source of excess calories will cause health problems eventually. Fruit also has fructose, but no-one is concerned about fruit intake because it is much harder to eat too much fruit than it is too drink too much soda or eat too many Twinkies.

But when food manufacturers add HFCS to everything, then it becomes a problem.

/Read your labels sheeple!

Well, they certainly could lay off it. It seems almost everything has some sort of added sweetener. Soy lecithin bothers me more, though. It adds fat and calories, but doesn't even taste good.

Not drinking sodas does a lot, since they're mostly corn syrup and fizz.

I'm a geek who does his own baking and cooking from scratch, so I don't get a lot of HFCS. Still working on this bucket of leftover Halloween candy though.

SpinStopper: Shyla: But.... "Sugar is sugar!"

Your body doesn't know the .... diff... *thud*


Sugar: The Bitter Truth

Worth your time. Sugar should be a treat, not a staple.

They needed a study?

Who is going to disagree with the premise, besides ADM maybe?

Wilford Brimley did not give you permission to stop eating sugar, citizen.

/He won't stop till we all the diabeetus

Obvious tag obviously in a diabetic coma.

NOW (OFFICIALLY) FREE ON YOUTUBE

Worth a watch. I was pleasantly surprised to see this favorite of mine for free there when I was browsing YouTube for a free movie to watch. It's worth a look to see just how ubiquitous corn (and HFCS) are.

Metalithic: I suspect the problem is too much over-sweetened junk food and too many calories, not HFCS specifically. Granted, corn syrup may be the worst offender, but good old-fashioned sugar or honey can cause just as much trouble if you eat it by the tub-full, and just about any source of excess calories will cause health problems eventually. Fruit also has fructose, but no-one is concerned about fruit intake because it is much harder to eat too much fruit than it is too drink too much soda or eat too many Twinkies.

Sigh, have you tasted sugar vs. HFCS, like sodas with cane sugar vs. regular? HFCS tastes sweeter. It tastes like it's going to go straight to your pancreas and require more insulin to cancel out.

Why are there so many goddamn white knights trying to defend HFCS? She's not going to sleep with you.

EvilEgg: Correlation is not causation

No, but it isn't like that was all they looked at.

The study reports that countries that use HFCS in their food supply had a 20 percent higher prevalence of diabetes than countries that did not use HFCS. The analysis also revealed that HFCS's association with the "significantly increased prevalence of diabetes" occurred independent of total sugar intake and obesity levels.

Well, the rich need to kill off the surplus population somehow.

The obvious solution to this problem is to switch to Low Fructose Corn Syrup.

Asa Phelps: yeah but the sample size for that study is necessarily limited.

i'd like to see the same diabetes rates lined up against consumption of simple carbohydrates and all carbohydrates.

This.

liam76: EvilEgg: Correlation is not causation

No, but it isn't like that was all they looked at.

The study reports that countries that use HFCS in their food supply had a 20 percent higher prevalence of diabetes than countries that did not use HFCS. The analysis also revealed that HFCS's association with the "significantly increased prevalence of diabetes" occurred independent of total sugar intake and obesity levels.

How many years did it take them to figure out the whole cholesterol/heart attack relationship? What, they still haven't?

The different fatty acids have different metabolic properties. So do the different amino acids, glutamine being the prime example (cancer cells can use it for damn near everything). So why would sugars be any different? I can verify today, but if fructose is metabolized by a different enzyme, or utilizes different receptors to enter the cell, or to be recognized by the pancreas, or initiates insulin signaling that in any way varies in intensity or effector kinases/transcription factors, then I think it would be safe to conclude it is metabolized differently, and could have different effects. Why sugars would be treated any differently than amino acids or fatty acids, whose structures can be quite similar but can each involve different individual metabolic enzymes, is beyond me. That's the research I'd like to see (it might even be on Pubmed right now...).

but i'm at a higher risk to GET type 2 diabetes and i don't even EAT HFCS
cause my waist is bigger than 40

Bill_Wick's_Friend: TFA notes that Canada's HFCS use is "up there" but gives no actual figure for comparison. I can't see how it could be too high since I don't see HFCS listed as an ingredient in any products. It's not in ketchup, soda, candy bars, prepared sauces etc etc the way it seems to be in the USA.

Maybe I just don't buy crappy enough food.

We don't list it as HFCS on our labels.

Look for glucose/fructose or glucose-fructose. That's HFCS.

Therion: Is the Obvious tag not working?

This.

I try to avoid that crap like the plague.

As a newly diagnosed diabetic, let me pass on a tip to all and sundry that I didn't know until too late:

Have your docs check your vitamin D level regularly and supplement them as necessary.

vit.D is hugely important in sensitizing the Insulin receptors in cells, allowing you to use less insulin to do the same job. Most adult who do not work outside are somewhat to severely deficient in it even if they drink Vit D milk (and our obsessive use of sunscreen ain't helping matters either).Therefore Vit D deficiency is a major contributing factor to the onset of Type II diabetes (and may explain why in NA African-Americans have a higher incidence of it even after controlling for all lifestyle factors)

My doc is offering me some hope that with massive Vit D supplements and the low carb diet I'm undertaking I may be able to completely reverse the disease. So for whatever it's worth, get yourselves checked.