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   I don't know how that rumor started. I mean, the Pope releases a book that says Jesus was probably born in a cave without animals around, and next thing you know, everyone thinks he's banning Christmas

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Sybarite    [TotalFark]  
I read a pretty good analysis a while back that a lot of the Nativity mythology is derived from a series of mistranslations and misunderstandings. The text is probably saying that Jesus was born in the lower room of Joseph's family ancestral home (kataluma - which could also mean "inn" but is probably referring to the home in this context). It was not uncommon for people to have animal feeding troughs (mangers) in this area because animals were often brought inside at night.

29 Nov 2012 09:52 AM
Diogenes    [TotalFark]  
Idealized, historically inaccurate Jesus is Best Jesus.

29 Nov 2012 09:53 AM
Ennuipoet     

Sybarite: I read a pretty good analysis a while back that a lot of the Nativity mythology is derived from a series of mistranslations and misunderstandings.


I was told the Bible was the inerrant word, now you are telling me different. Well. I'm sorry, but I am going to have to set you on fire now.

29 Nov 2012 10:11 AM
Diogenes    [TotalFark]  

Ennuipoet: Sybarite: I read a pretty good analysis a while back that a lot of the Nativity mythology is derived from a series of mistranslations and misunderstandings.

I was told the Bible was the inerrant word, now you are telling me different. Well. I'm sorry, but I am going to have to set you on fire now.


I love this one. Inerrant word in which language?

"It is a subtlety that God learned Greek when he wanted to become a writer, and also that he did not learn it well."

- Nietzsche

29 Nov 2012 10:30 AM
Benevolent Misanthrope    [TotalFark]  
Well - if he wants to be as historically correct as possible, he could mention that there is no contemporary evidence for the existence of Jesus, outside of the oral history copied into the religious works of the religion built around him.

FFS - some guy in Rome says that their mythos doesn't mention some of the details that were added to the myth later, and next thing you know people are upset enough by the meaning of this offhand remark that the guys who consider themselves in charge have to put out a statement that he didn't just change the entire belief system.

Am I the only one who thinks this is not healthy?

29 Nov 2012 11:00 AM
jayhawk88    [TotalFark]  

Diogenes: Ennuipoet: Sybarite: I read a pretty good analysis a while back that a lot of the Nativity mythology is derived from a series of mistranslations and misunderstandings.

I was told the Bible was the inerrant word, now you are telling me different. Well. I'm sorry, but I am going to have to set you on fire now.

I love this one. Inerrant word in which language?

"It is a subtlety that God learned Greek when he wanted to become a writer, and also that he did not learn it well."

- Nietzsche


Suggesting God doesn't know all languages? Double burnin'.

Quoting Nietzsche? Triple burnin'.

29 Nov 2012 12:05 PM
thurstonxhowell     
DAMN YOU POPE BONGOFART!

29 Nov 2012 12:05 PM
Romanes Eunt Domus     
No animals around but did he at least have a box of scraps around like Tony Stark?

29 Nov 2012 12:07 PM
oldfarthenry    [TotalFark]  
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Have you heard one of us broads when we're giving birth?
The screaming & hollering would cause animals to stampede to the nearest exit - or bust a hole in the wall to make one!
That Pope guy knows his sh*t.

29 Nov 2012 12:09 PM
r1niceboy     
Christians really are the lambs of God. They meander around in a bewildered panic and are easily herded into big buildings where they a rendered down into things that have nothing to do with sausage.

29 Nov 2012 12:09 PM
Englebert Slaptyback     

Benevolent Misanthrope


Well - if he wants to be as historically correct as possible, he could mention that there is no contemporary evidence for the existence of Jesus, outside of the oral history copied into the religious works of the religion built around him.


I think they should present the Jesus figure in the context of a parable: describe him as a nice guy who did things for other people and wanted them to be nice to one another, and present some examples of what he did. Leave the supernatural stuff out. Take for example the loaves and fishes: don't say he performed a miracle; say he persuaded the townspeople to cooperate and barter and everyone was better off. It's more believable and makes a better example.

29 Nov 2012 12:10 PM
meat0918     
Next thing you'll be telling me is Jesus wasn't white!

29 Nov 2012 12:10 PM
Inflatable Rhetoric     
Jon Stewart covered this very well.

The pope says no animals are mentioned in the bible.

Stewart pointed out that no popes are mentioned in it, either.

29 Nov 2012 12:12 PM
meat0918     

Englebert Slaptyback: Benevolent Misanthrope

Well - if he wants to be as historically correct as possible, he could mention that there is no contemporary evidence for the existence of Jesus, outside of the oral history copied into the religious works of the religion built around him.


I think they should present the Jesus figure in the context of a parable: describe him as a nice guy who did things for other people and wanted them to be nice to one another, and present some examples of what he did. Leave the supernatural stuff out. Take for example the loaves and fishes: don't say he performed a miracle; say he persuaded the townspeople to cooperate and barter and everyone was better off. It's more believable and makes a better example.


My old Catholic priest kind of explained the miracle of fish and loaves that way.

If you were going to see this guy talk, you'd probably take some food with you. After all, don't many of us bring food on road trips or hikes or walks. Well, you see this very inspirational guy sharing food, and encouraging others to do the same. So you share your food with your neighbors. Some brought a lot, some not so much, but in the end, everyone is fed.

It's was actually a lot more powerful a story that way than "Jesus magicked up some extra fish and bread, lol"

29 Nov 2012 12:13 PM
spentmiles     
In a nutshell, Mary and Joesph show up in Bethlehem to pay their taxes. They aren't legally married, but she's knocked up. The authorities are like, "this is bullshiat." Mary is all "Waaahhh." Joesph is like, "I know right?" The authorities want to flog the shiat out of Mary, but Joesph begs them to let him marry her instead. He even volunteers to take her beating for her, which leaves the villagers like "woah damn, biatch got a tight one." God heard that and tore all their dicks off in their sleep. Meanwhile, Mary is all, "I broke it riding horseback when I was eleven! It must be some miracle type shiat." People were like "ok! we don't have shiat going on right now to excite us so let's all agree to believe in some shiat and get worked up." Lots of dancing and wine drinking and petting the animals ensued. And that's why we have eggnog.

29 Nov 2012 12:15 PM
Inflatable Rhetoric     

meat0918: Englebert Slaptyback: Benevolent Misanthrope

Well - if he wants to be as historically correct as possible, he could mention that there is no contemporary evidence for the existence of Jesus, outside of the oral history copied into the religious works of the religion built around him.


I think they should present the Jesus figure in the context of a parable: describe him as a nice guy who did things for other people and wanted them to be nice to one another, and present some examples of what he did. Leave the supernatural stuff out. Take for example the loaves and fishes: don't say he performed a miracle; say he persuaded the townspeople to cooperate and barter and everyone was better off. It's more believable and makes a better example.

My old Catholic priest kind of explained the miracle of fish and loaves that way.

If you were going to see this guy talk, you'd probably take some food with you. After all, don't many of us bring food on road trips or hikes or walks. Well, you see this very inspirational guy sharing food, and encouraging others to do the same. So you share your food with your neighbors. Some brought a lot, some not so much, but in the end, everyone is fed.

It's was actually a lot more powerful a story that way than "Jesus magicked up some extra fish and bread, lol"


Any way you tell it, it's a dull story, true or not.

29 Nov 2012 12:17 PM
Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo     

meat0918: Englebert Slaptyback: Benevolent Misanthrope

Well - if he wants to be as historically correct as possible, he could mention that there is no contemporary evidence for the existence of Jesus, outside of the oral history copied into the religious works of the religion built around him.


I think they should present the Jesus figure in the context of a parable: describe him as a nice guy who did things for other people and wanted them to be nice to one another, and present some examples of what he did. Leave the supernatural stuff out. Take for example the loaves and fishes: don't say he performed a miracle; say he persuaded the townspeople to cooperate and barter and everyone was better off. It's more believable and makes a better example.

My old Catholic priest kind of explained the miracle of fish and loaves that way.

If you were going to see this guy talk, you'd probably take some food with you. After all, don't many of us bring food on road trips or hikes or walks. Well, you see this very inspirational guy sharing food, and encouraging others to do the same. So you share your food with your neighbors. Some brought a lot, some not so much, but in the end, everyone is fed.

It's was actually a lot more powerful a story that way than "Jesus magicked up some extra fish and bread, lol"


The real message is not one that is in favor with the powers that be: "Share equally and everyone will have enough" = ohmgardSocialzm!! But "pray for magic and Jesus will save you" doesn't mention anything about the rich having to share.

29 Nov 2012 12:20 PM
limeyfellow     

spentmiles: In a nutshell, Mary and Joesph show up in Bethlehem to pay their taxes. They aren't legally married, but she's knocked up. The authorities are like, "this is bullshiat." Mary is all "Waaahhh." Joesph is like, "I know right?" The authorities want to flog the shiat out of Mary, but Joesph begs them to let him marry her instead. He even volunteers to take her beating for her, which leaves the villagers like "woah damn, biatch got a tight one." God heard that and tore all their dicks off in their sleep. Meanwhile, Mary is all, "I broke it riding horseback when I was eleven! It must be some miracle type shiat." People were like "ok! we don't have shiat going on right now to excite us so let's all agree to believe in some shiat and get worked up." Lots of dancing and wine drinking and petting the animals ensued. And that's why we have eggnog.


Which is interesting in that going to the place of birth to pay taxes goes against every other recorded incident involving taxes in the Roman Empire. Thousands of inscriptions go into great detail of how taxes were collected, but this one time they apparently changed their mind for one or two towns in the middle of one province.

29 Nov 2012 12:21 PM
Ivo Shandor    [TotalFark]  
Did he also cover the "didn't happen in December" bit?

/Merry Saturnalia, everyone!

29 Nov 2012 12:23 PM
odinsposse     

Englebert Slaptyback: Benevolent Misanthrope

Well - if he wants to be as historically correct as possible, he could mention that there is no contemporary evidence for the existence of Jesus, outside of the oral history copied into the religious works of the religion built around him.


I think they should present the Jesus figure in the context of a parable: describe him as a nice guy who did things for other people and wanted them to be nice to one another, and present some examples of what he did. Leave the supernatural stuff out. Take for example the loaves and fishes: don't say he performed a miracle; say he persuaded the townspeople to cooperate and barter and everyone was better off. It's more believable and makes a better example.


So basically the Jefferson Bible.

29 Nov 2012 12:26 PM
impaler    [TotalFark]  
Did the Pope mention that people don't travel to participate in a census, as it defeats the entire point of a census?

29 Nov 2012 12:27 PM
Joce678     

Diogenes: Ennuipoet: Sybarite: I read a pretty good analysis a while back that a lot of the Nativity mythology is derived from a series of mistranslations and misunderstandings.

I was told the Bible was the inerrant word, now you are telling me different. Well. I'm sorry, but I am going to have to set you on fire now.

I love this one. Inerrant word in which language?


In all of them.

Wouldn't god be there watching over the translators? He finds time to watch every time somebody has sex or says a bad word, why wouldn't he be there for the translation of his divine book? It's important - people are supposed to use as a guide for getting into heaven!

29 Nov 2012 12:27 PM
fruitloop     
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Santa adds "the pope" under "Reasons Christmas can be Cancelled" on the Christmas Special Plot List.

29 Nov 2012 12:28 PM
Deep Contact     
Not sure why xmas is celebrated except for consuming. Where the hell is Jesus and Santa!

29 Nov 2012 12:29 PM
Bullseyed     

Benevolent Misanthrope: Well - if he wants to be as historically correct as possible, he could mention that there is no contemporary evidence for the existence of Jesus, outside of the oral history copied into the religious works of the religion built around him.


Not sure if troll or just went to public school...

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted. While there is little agreement on the historicity of gospel narratives and their theological assertions of his divinity most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born between 7 and 2 BC and died 30-36 AD. Most scholars hold that Jesus lived in Galilee and Judea, did not preach or study elsewhere and that he spoke Aramaic and may have also spoken Hebrew and Greek. Although scholars differ on the reconstruction of the specific episodes of the life of Jesus, the two events whose historicity is subject to "almost universal assent" are that he was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic ity_of_Jesus

29 Nov 2012 12:34 PM
Bullseyed     

Inflatable Rhetoric: Jon Stewart covered this very well.

The pope says no animals are mentioned in the bible.

Stewart pointed out that no popes are mentioned in it, either.


Matthew 16:18-19
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Acts 20:28
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

29 Nov 2012 12:43 PM
occamswrist     

Bullseyed: Benevolent Misanthrope: Well - if he wants to be as historically correct as possible, he could mention that there is no contemporary evidence for the existence of Jesus, outside of the oral history copied into the religious works of the religion built around him.

Not sure if troll or just went to public school...

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted. While there is little agreement on the historicity of gospel narratives and their theological assertions of his divinity most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born between 7 and 2 BC and died 30-36 AD. Most scholars hold that Jesus lived in Galilee and Judea, did not preach or study elsewhere and that he spoke Aramaic and may have also spoken Hebrew and Greek. Although scholars differ on the reconstruction of the specific episodes of the life of Jesus, the two events whose historicity is subject to "almost universal assent" are that he was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic ity_of_Jesus


The bible contradicts itself on when Jesus was born because geographically seperated men (Peter and Paul) made shiat up and didn't think it would come back to haunt them. Too bad for them that a single bible was created out of contradictory gospels.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0061173 940

I highly recommend this book.

29 Nov 2012 12:43 PM
Outlawtsar     

Bullseyed: theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted


Stopped reading right there.

/argumentum ad ignorantiam...you can't explain that

29 Nov 2012 12:59 PM
brantgoose    [TotalFark]  
Born in a cave, buried in a cave.

The Holy Land is full of caves and tunnels, many of which are very ancient. In Turkey they have whole underground cities, at Petra (in Jordan, IIRC) there is a whole Greco-Roman city carved into cliffs.

If people bomb your house, you lose a house. If they bomb your cave, you get a bigger cave sometimes. In the desert you have two building materials--mud and rock. Take your pick.

In Iceland they have to divert roads because the place is littered with elves, in Israel, because every square inch of ground is an ancient monument, a sacred site, or a gravesite.

And he's right you know.

Besides, if the Pope wants to ban Christmas, he has the power to ban Christmas. That's his prerogative. He's the Pope and always right about matters of the Faith (since Pope Dingus in the XIXth century said so).

Besides, I am totally OK with this. Not a Roman Catholic, but it would save me a fortune if somebody banned Christmas. I'm surprised that those spoil-sports and wet blankets in the "War on Christmas" crowd haven't tried it on again themselves, like their/my Puritan Ancestors did.

I am descended from both the accused and the accusors at the Salem Witch Trials. All in all, I like the accused better than the greedy, bulling, hypocritical SOBs who did the hanging.

29 Nov 2012 12:59 PM
iron_city_ap     
Whats next !? Santa isnt real? Bull shiat. I just saw him holding a sign for a big sale by the road infront of a local furniture store.

29 Nov 2012 01:08 PM
AngryJailhouseFistfark     
That Joseph and Mary had their child in the cave or barn or goat shed doesn't matter. What DOES matter is they did this deliberately, to keep it off the record, to stay under the Government radar and prevent documentation. You see, Our Lord and Savior, Jesus, was a sovereign citizen. He probably wasn't the first since there were many who resisted the oppressive taxation of the Roman Empire. And yes, that was Taxation Without Representation, because you can bet the Jews didn't get a seat in the Roman Senate. And Caesar could bypass the Senate impose edicts in the time of Empire because the Executive power had surpassed the Legislative by that time. Sound familiar? People have been born "off the grid" for thousands of years, and for most of human history there was no grid. It wasn't until human societies were able to produce surplus food to be stored that we saw cities come into being. But of course, once you have Surplus, someone who probably didn't help grow it decides he needs to "manage" it and who will get to eat it. And he'll probably pay himself from that surplus, and so was born the Civil Servant.

But getting back to my earlier point, Jesus wasn't the first to be born off the grid, but it was no accident that he was. You remember the old saying from Sunday School? "The New is in the Old Concealed, the Old is in the New Revealed." Like so many of the Bible's lessons to us, Jesus was kept off the grid to show God's disapproval of a government that would tax its population (note I didn't say "citizens") because He found it an offense. Holy God gives to us freely and asks for nothing in return while our Goverments take and take, then only begrudgingly give back to those who never gave anything. Can you imagine God's church praying to Him, only to have Him save all those sinners who reject Him and His Son? No, the Gospels show us it doesn't work that way. Only those who come to Him can get to The Father. So if you're on the tax rolls and serving the False gods of Welfare and Mammon and Homosexuality and "Political" Correctness, then you cannot be saved so that's why Jesus CHOSE to be born in the manger.

29 Nov 2012 01:09 PM
brantgoose    [TotalFark]  
The village of Nazareth in Israel did not exist two thousand years ago. There was, however, a town of maybe 30-60,000 people of the same name, further North West. It was a sizeable provincial town with typical Greek and Roman amenities, such as a theatre, a much more cosmopolitan and worldly place than a tiny Jewish village.

In the New Testament one critic of Christ says "What good thing ever came from Nazareth?" which may be the last remaining trace of the real town of Nazareth in the New Testament, because it wasn't the kind of place a pious Pharasee would approve of.

This also means that Jesus may have been exposed to more liberal currents in Jewish thought and practice, as well as to more Gentile culture.

Regardless of what you think of Christianity and its origins, this is in keeping with the perennial tension between closed, inward looking piety that rejects the world and the more liberal judaism which adapts somewhat. Nazareth would have had large enough Gentile and Jewish populations to make exchanges between them commonplace, for better and for worse.

If you read the New Testament closely, you can see genuine currents of political and religious disputes that reflect the Zeitgheist accurately, suggesting that despite considerable reworking of the facts and despite authorial and editorial intervention, there is a historical basis to nearly all of the Gospels and that it might not be entirely unlike the diversity of opinion and practice of other times, such as the Jewish Wars recorded by Flavius Josephus (himself a Jewish general during the Wars) and modern Israel slash Palestine.

Same old, same old. But not what everybody imagines or expects based on centuries of theology and politics and folklore.

29 Nov 2012 01:13 PM
Inflatable Rhetoric     

Bullseyed: Inflatable Rhetoric: Jon Stewart covered this very well.

The pope says no animals are mentioned in the bible.

Stewart pointed out that no popes are mentioned in it, either.

Matthew 16:18-19
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Acts 20:28
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.


Your point? I don't see a mention of a pope.

PS Religion = Superstition + $$$$$

29 Nov 2012 01:13 PM
AngryJailhouseFistfark     

Inflatable Rhetoric: Jon Stewart covered this very well.

The pope says no animals are mentioned in the bible.

Stewart pointed out that no popes are mentioned in it, either.


You mean TV Fake-News Funnyman Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz? What would HE know about the birth of a Christian Savior?

29 Nov 2012 01:24 PM
JonnyBGoode     

meat0918: Next thing you'll be telling me is Jesus wasn't white!


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29 Nov 2012 01:26 PM
th0th     
It wasn't meant to be taken literally. It's a nice story, Adam and Eve. It's bound with moral fibre...but asking a grown man to believe it? It's just that. Just a story.

Catholic religion is based on a mistranslation. I'll tell you the whole story. The Septuagint scholars mistranslated the Hebrew word for "young woman" into the Greek word for "virgin"; It was an easy mistake to make because there was only a subtle difference in the spelling. So, they came up with a prophecy: "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear us a son."

You understand? It was "virgin" that caught people's attention. It's not everyday a virgin conceives and bears a son. But leave that for a couple of hundred years to stew and next thing you know you have the Holy Catholic Church.

I'm saying, just because it's written doesn't make it so. Gives them hope. It's not important whether it's fact or fiction. People like to believe.

/Where is the stone?
//Where. Is. The. Stone?

29 Nov 2012 01:33 PM
jigger     

Diogenes: Idealized, historically inaccurate Jesus is Best

only Jesus.

fixed

29 Nov 2012 01:39 PM
jigger     

Inflatable Rhetoric: Jon Stewart covered this very well.

The pope says no animals are mentioned in the bible.

Stewart pointed out that no popes are mentioned in it, either.


For the record, that was Colbert.

29 Nov 2012 01:40 PM
stonicus     

Bullseyed: Benevolent Misanthrope: Well - if he wants to be as historically correct as possible, he could mention that there is no contemporary evidence for the existence of Jesus, outside of the oral history copied into the religious works of the religion built around him.

Not sure if troll or just went to public school...

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted. While there is little agreement on the historicity of gospel narratives and their theological assertions of his divinity most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born between 7 and 2 BC and died 30-36 AD. Most scholars hold that Jesus lived in Galilee and Judea, did not preach or study elsewhere and that he spoke Aramaic and may have also spoken Hebrew and Greek. Although scholars differ on the reconstruction of the specific episodes of the life of Jesus, the two events whose historicity is subject to "almost universal assent" are that he was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic ity_of_Jesus


In this world of modern technology and information, with cameras all over and in everyone's pocket, with the ability to instantly communicate globally with pictures and sounds and ideas, we still don't know what the hell is going on in the world today, right now this very second. But, we have the gall to say we "know" things as fact that happened 2000 years ago.

29 Nov 2012 01:56 PM
JustinCase     

oldfarthenry: Have you heard one of us broads when we're giving birth?
The screaming & hollering would cause animals to stampede to the nearest exit - or bust a hole in the wall to make one!
That Pope guy knows his sh*t.


That better not be your Nana, I'm telling...

29 Nov 2012 02:02 PM
Englebert Slaptyback     

th0th


/Where is the stone?
//Where. Is. The. Stone?


Thanks, Frankie.

29 Nov 2012 02:46 PM
wildcardjack     
It's like debating over the background of Harry Potter.

29 Nov 2012 02:54 PM
tbhouston     
to be fair it was written based on stories people heard 200 years prior, some of the details might be foggy

29 Nov 2012 02:55 PM
Dear Jerk     
That time when Jesus was 12 and his parents forgot him at at the gas station is the ONLY anecdote we have about Jesus between his birth and the events leading up to his death. We're supposed to believe the manger story where wise men travelled halfway around around the world to see the birth of the savior, then everybody forgot about him? I'm sorry, I'm with the pope on this one.

29 Nov 2012 02:57 PM
Inflatable Rhetoric     

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Inflatable Rhetoric: Jon Stewart covered this very well.

The pope says no animals are mentioned in the bible.

Stewart pointed out that no popes are mentioned in it, either.

You mean TV Fake-News Funnyman Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz? What would HE know about the birth of a Christian Savior?


When you're right, you're right. He was right.

29 Nov 2012 03:01 PM
Inflatable Rhetoric     

jigger: Inflatable Rhetoric: Jon Stewart covered this very well.

The pope says no animals are mentioned in the bible.

Stewart pointed out that no popes are mentioned in it, either.

For the record, that was Colbert.


No, it was Stewart. Not that that's the salient point.

29 Nov 2012 03:04 PM
fragglerawk     

29 Nov 2012 03:12 PM
Pontious Pilates     

jayhawk88: Diogenes: Ennuipoet: Sybarite: I read a pretty good analysis a while back that a lot of the Nativity mythology is derived from a series of mistranslations and misunderstandings.

I was told the Bible was the inerrant word, now you are telling me different. Well. I'm sorry, but I am going to have to set you on fire now.

I love this one. Inerrant word in which language?

"It is a subtlety that God learned Greek when he wanted to become a writer, and also that he did not learn it well."

- Nietzsche

Suggesting God doesn't know all languages? Double burnin'.

Quoting Nietzsche? Triple burnin'.


"God is dead." - Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." - God

29 Nov 2012 03:39 PM
3rotor     
Well let me put it this way, If it where not for the "fact" that it would get me to heaven, I would not be a believer. Simple as that.

I do however have a Problem with that, and it's the other "fact" : If that is the only reason for my believing in Him, He is going to know about it, and how do you think that is going to make him feel???? This sorry pathetic excuse for a living organism, faking sincerity just so he can get his ass into heaven...

hmmm yeah... the more you think about it, the lesser your chances are of sneaking that one past Him at the Pearlie's.....

besides, you going to have to believe in each and every religion out there, in order to keep your ass from ending up in someone's hell...
guess where you end up for believing in more than one religion...

We are all so Farked.... :)

29 Nov 2012 04:28 PM
madgordy     

Bullseyed: Benevolent Misanthrope: Well - if he wants to be as historically correct as possible, he could mention that there is no contemporary evidence for the existence of Jesus, outside of the oral history copied into the religious works of the religion built around him.

Not sure if troll or just went to public school...

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted. While there is little agreement on the historicity of gospel narratives and their theological assertions of his divinity most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born between 7 and 2 BC and died 30-36 AD. Most scholars hold that Jesus lived in Galilee and Judea, did not preach or study elsewhere and that he spoke Aramaic and may have also spoken Hebrew and Greek. Although scholars differ on the reconstruction of the specific episodes of the life of Jesus, the two events whose historicity is subject to "almost universal assent" are that he was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic ity_of_Jesus


It should say "Christian Scholars mostly agree"

as a non Christian Historian, who studies Classical and Medieval history I can say that Non Christian and Non Islamic Scholars point to a total lack of evidence from outside sources. although Roman commentators wrote a lot about things that happend in the Levant and commented on Jewish Messianic figures, non meantion Jesus, nor any of the things that his followers did. the first Roman comment comes at around CE 60 where a Roman comments about "Christians" who say their leader was crusified, a very horrible way to die. It's not much. Islam says Jesus was a prophet who had knowlege revealed by God, and that Mohammet was the last prophit to recieve revealed knowlege. Christians believe no one has recieved revealed knowlege since the bible was written. but some people claim to have in the years that have followed. Smith. Muggle, Koresh, Jones, all claimed to be new prophets with revealed knowlege. Muggle is my favorite.

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