It was a good call. 40 years was enough.

National parks don't exist?

But on Easter Island, once the trees were cut down, the islanders no longer could build a canoe and sail onward, looking for another island in the sea. They were trapped in a degraded environment, and then further impacted by European explorers who brought disease and, in many cases, outright death.

I swear, people want to take every last damn item before they realize 'oh sh*t, maybe we should have rethought our cunning plan'.

That's a bummer. I love ersters.

Nabb1: That's a bummer. I love ersters.

Yeah, but they're West Coast ersters. Inferior to Gulf ersters (which are themselves inferior to Chesapeake Bay ersters).

Gecko Gingrich: Nabb1: That's a bummer. I love ersters.

Yeah, but they're West Coast ersters. Inferior to Gulf ersters (which are themselves inferior to Chesapeake Bay ersters).

Gulf ersters come pre-lubed, though

Gecko Gingrich: Nabb1: That's a bummer. I love ersters.

Yeah, but they're West Coast ersters. Inferior to Gulf ersters (which are themselves inferior to Chesapeake Bay ersters).

I recently had some oysters from the Pacific northwest - Puget Sound, I believe - at one of John Besh's restaurants that were pretty darned good. They were smaller and slightly saltier than Gulf Coast oysters.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Gulf ersters come pre-lubed, though

*pfft* Like you would know anything about ersters.

Hangtown Fry, motherf*ckers.

Change your life. Sorry the recipe writer is such a preening c*nt, but it's the best I could find.

Gecko Gingrich: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Gulf ersters come pre-lubed, though

*pfft* Like you would know anything about ersters.

Hey...

/I resemble that remark

I love oysters so very much.

I don't get why they did this... Oyster farms actually help the environment due to the fact they are filter feeders

"After careful consideration of the applicable law and policy, I have directed the National Park Service to allow the permit for the Drakes Bay Oyster Company to expire at the end of its current term and to return the Drakes Estero to the state of wilderness that Congress designated for it in 1976," Salazar said in a statement.



Good. If the oyster company wants to do business, let it do it on private property.

Feds shut down 100-year old oyster company in Drakes Bay due to environmental concerns.

Funny how the article said nothing about this. The article states that they're letting a federally designated park actually *BE* a federal park.

You farkers voted for this kind of stuff. Enjoy.Can't wait for more.

redTiburon: You farkers voted for this kind of stuff. Enjoy.Can't wait for more.

Hell yeah we did. I also can't wait to enjoy a park as a, you know, park, instead of some shiatty oyster factory.

machoprogrammer:
Yes, oysters are bottom feeders - the Fed doesn't like competition.

Reminds me of some similar whining that the few private homes on Isle Royale, Michigan (entire island is a national park) are to be transferred to the Feds after the current owners die.

DarkSoulNoHope: Feds shut down 100-year old oyster company in Drakes Bay due to environmental concerns.

Funny how the article said nothing about this. The article states that they're letting a federally designated park actually *BE* a federal park.

^Exactly. A lot of the national parks still have remnants of old man-made structures and whatnot on them, but it's still preferable (to me) to get another park out of it.

Headline is a crock, subby. The article clearly states the decision was made so that the Feds can move forward with the marine wilderness plan designated for the place when they bought it 35 years ago.
Too bad for the oyster farm, but they've had since 1976 to prepare for this.

DarkSoulNoHope: Feds shut down 100-year old oyster company in Drakes Bay due to environmental concerns.

Funny how the article said nothing about this. The article states that they're letting a federally designated park actually *BE* a federal park.

They oyster farm has been there for 80 years. It has been a National Park for 40 years.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: redTiburon: You farkers voted for this kind of stuff. Enjoy.Can't wait for more.

Hell yeah we did. I also can't wait to enjoy a park as a, you know, park, instead of some shiatty oyster factory.

Aren't you from Florida? But you voted in California?

Psycoholic_Slag: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: redTiburon: You farkers voted for this kind of stuff. Enjoy.Can't wait for more.

Hell yeah we did. I also can't wait to enjoy a park as a, you know, park, instead of some shiatty oyster factory.

Aren't you from Florida? But you voted in California?

Disregard this stupid post.

Federal elections, how do they work?

Up until a couple of years ago this farm was called "Johnson's Oysters". It had been run by the Johnson family for a long time. They sold their oysters, fresh and bottled, to all the San Francisco, restaurants and markets. Freshest you could buy and sweet and delicious.

You could also buy at the farm if you wanted to make the long drive. About an hour one way from SF. Beautiful scenery. Well worth the scenic drive and delicious invertebrates waiting at the end. I'd often drive up for a sack of 100 mediums (same size meat as the large and cheaper. Their tip to me) for $50. Great for a BBQ. Get five couples together and 2 Webers going. Clean, shuck and cook.

The Johnsons gave it up a couple of years ago due to the hassle and expense of fighting the Park Service. They sold the lease to a group of wealthy "investors" who really looked at it as just a labor of love. Everyone knew exactly when the lease would expire and the investors continued in negotiations with the Park Service until the end. for whatever reason the Pack service played hardball and apparently did a lot of lying and such.

I'm not an environmental expert, but at least physically it was very low impact. A couple or three sheds on the shore, about 2 miles of one lane oyster shell paved road from the county pavement. Most of their sales were off-site, so not much traffic. They also had a pack of Rottweilers which would greet everyone arriving. From their literature a couple of boats and barges and underwater frames to farm the oysters. Johnson made the claim that his oysters kept the water in Drake's bay pristine.

Pity. An icon gone.

Califarked.

/Unfriendly to business but can't afford to feed the people that can't feed themselves.
//Not sustainable.

Won't someone please think of the children middens?!?!?

You came to Fark for sympathy about the government shutting down a business? You've been given bad advice.

Such a shame.
we asked for more government..and got it

smile citizen

These are the same jerks that wouldn't let me hunt bears from a helicopter in Yellowstone Park.
Land of the free, my ass!

I am amazed that the Interior Secretary is able to visit an oyster farm and national marine sanctuary but the Labor Secretary is nowhere to be seen when the Los Angeles/Long Beach ports are 80% closed due to ILWU clerical workers who shot down a $190,000/person annual pay and benefit offer.

That's about 1/3 of West Coast U.S. port capacity closed due to labor strife. During a very busy time of the year for container shipments.

Thanks again, F0rd

BTW. There was never a question that this "shiatty oyster factory" as one extraordinarily ignorant poster put it, was a negative impact on the environment. The environmental impact report held quite the opposite. The issue was its consistency with a park. The argument being that plenty of national parks have private businesses allowed which are not inconsistent with their use as a park. Yosemite is a prime example.

This issue was heavily politicized locally. The hard core environmentalists won.

I can't make up my mind on this one. I'm ambivalvalent.

Nadie_AZ: But on Easter Island, once the trees were cut down, the islanders no longer could build a canoe and sail onward, looking for another island in the sea. They were trapped in a degraded environment, and then further impacted by European explorers who brought disease and, in many cases, outright death.

And when someone cut down the last tree on Easter Island, was he thinking "Oh, it's no big deal because Jesus will return soon and none of this will matter"?

trippdogg: These are the same jerks that wouldn't let me hunt bears from a helicopter in Yellowstone Park.
Land of the free, my ass!

Nope, but move to TX and you can hunt Wild Boar from a Heli!
Link

Seems like there's been a steady shift from Fark headlines trying to be funny to just being low-brow trolling.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: redTiburon: You farkers voted for this kind of stuff. Enjoy.Can't wait for more.

Hell yeah we did. I also can't wait to enjoy a park as a, you know, park, instead of some shiatty oyster factory.

You are going to be so depressed when you find out national parks routinely sell logging rights to private companies.

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: I'm ambivalvalent.

Take 3 placebos and call me in the morning.

smells_like_meat: The hard core environmentalists won.

And hard core anti-capitalists.

Future irony. The road to the farm is the only road in this part of the park. As most of their sales are off-site it gets little use. I anticipate that the Park Service will improve it and build a "Johnson's Oyster Historical Interpretative Center" at the end of the new pavement. along with a 100 car asphalt parking lot $10 a car to get in. "Cut down all the trees and put them in a tree museum."

Personally I've never been a fan... bearded clams on the other hand. Mmm mmmm!

pciszek: Nadie_AZ: But on Easter Island, once the trees were cut down, the islanders no longer could build a canoe and sail onward, looking for another island in the sea. They were trapped in a degraded environment, and then further impacted by European explorers who brought disease and, in many cases, outright death.

And when someone cut down the last tree on Easter Island, was he thinking "Oh, it's no big deal because Jesus will return soon and none of this will matter"?

Didn't you read? European explorers arrived and they were saved. Or something.

halB: You are going to be so depressed when you find out national parks routinely sell logging rights to private companies

Suicidal, if the rest of us are lucky.

smells_like_meat: Future irony. The road to the farm is the only road in this part of the park. As most of their sales are off-site it gets little use. I anticipate that the Park Service will improve it and build a "Johnson's Oyster Historical Interpretative Center" at the end of the new pavement. along with a 100 car asphalt parking lot $10 a car to get in. "Cut down all the trees and put them in a tree museum."

Yeah, if it was a small-scale, low-impact operation, it should have been allowed to stay. An active, 80 year old company would have some historical significance one would think.

smells_like_meat: This issue was heavily politicized locally

try not to be so butthurt about it, they were operating their business on federal park land, the fact that they were not able to find suitable alternate locations paying market rate for property means they were pretty much sucking off the public teat. nothing but corporate welfare

So move up or down the coast. Thanks subby, for making up a problem that isn't there.

redTiburon: You farkers voted for this kind of stuff. Enjoy.Can't wait for more.



Protecting our national heritage over a business?
I'm all for it.

I wonder how many hard working people lost their jobs?

Lehk: smells_like_meat: This issue was heavily politicized locally

Ken Salazar is an employee of the guy I voted for, so I must defend him despite my knowledge of the situation being limited to a one page article.

Let's all just be honest here.

Lehk: try not to be so butthurt about it,

I personally could care less. Just interested in the facts.

Lehk: nothing but corporate welfare

Tomorrows headline in the USA Today, "Little known West Marin oyster farm buys Monsanto".